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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : i did not verify myself but someone said on another thread that the ration on the two sb losses was 90 passes-35 runs. that is worse than 2-1 - not even close to your 60-40.
    Posted by seattlepat70


    My bad!  In the three losses to the Giants this year the ratio of passes to runs was 138:55 which is slightly less that 29% runs to almost 72% pass.  For the sake of simplicity less say the ratio of pass to run was 71:29%, or even more generalized...2/3rds pass to 1/3rd run....A far cry from a balanced 50:50 ratio! While many bloggers are convinced that our primary need is on Defense one should also address the fact that we pass more Because our run game is lacking.  This strongly suggests that if a BLUE-CHIP OL is available and by comparison a less predictable defensive player we should address BPA.

    When you place too much emphasis on drafting for NEED you invariably REACH when you should be GRABBING the BPA!
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : paul, Questions of inconsistency or not (improved as a junior, motor looked excellent vs. Georgia in their bowl game), I don't see Worthy falling out of the Top 50, he's just too talented, IMO.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    But is he "Worthy" of going in the first round?
     
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    Posted by Faucetman


    Ha, NE prob won't touch him here, but I think some team could take him in Rd 1, yes.
     
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    Faucet, I liked your post about a strong running game.  I understand our talented QB and receivers, but I have never understood why BB seems to have drifted so far away from the strong running we used to do.  When we're on, it looks great but when we're not, it's three passes and we're out, a minute has passed, our challenged defense takes the field again.  I've always heard O lines like to run--they mete out the punishment.  Sometimes we use it so little that we don't seem very good at it.  We could control the clock better, extend Brady's career, add another element to the O that D's would have to account for, cover up other weaknesses--the long ball, Brady's (at some point) diminishing skills, injuries, etc.  I'm not advocating we become a running team, only that we use it consistently which doesn't appear that we do.  This has all been said before, but I thought during the SB our best drives were when we were mixing in the sweeps to the right etc. and our worst drives were when we passed exclusively.  I think good D's don't respect our run and play to stop the short passes.  Anyone know our ratio of pass to run? 
    Posted by Critter23

    Me too.  A balanced attack with a legitimate top 10 running attack that opposing defenses must respect is so badly needed, especially now with Brady turning 35 this year.  Outside of not fumbling and being pretty good around the goal-line, BJGE doesn't do anything special.

    Others have pointed out in the past that we won SBs with Antoine Smith but we had solid defenses with loads of play makers.  We don't have that on defense today.  Passing teams, when not successful, go 3 and out in a hurry putting their poor defense back on the field too quickly before guys have even caught their breath.

    Brady will not play forever and he's just a year younger than Peyton Manning was when Manning suffered his neck injury.  As tough as Brady has been, one hit and it could be over so we need to start building an offense that can succeed without Brady.  Right now if you took Brady away, I'm not so sure we'd be any better than the Colts were when Manning went down.  Other than Welker and the two TEs we have nothing on offense.  Ridley and Vereen have potential but outside of Welker, our receiving corps is horrible.  Branch has played is best football, Ocho was horrible.  Underwood hasn't shown anything, Slater is NOT a WR and Edelman is strictly a slot receiver.  The OL has a couple of starters (Light and Waters) who are in their mid 30s.  Solder hopefully can replace Light but we have nothing at RG behind Waters if Connolly is staying at C.

    Yes, we need to focus on our D this offseason.  I agree 100% but if we have a chance to land the 2010 NFL leading rusher who is only 25 and is also one of the best receiving backs at the cost of pick 31, I think this would do more to immediately improve the team anyone we would likely get at 31.  Foster would take a lot of the load of Brady, likely extending his career.  Foster would represent a duel threat out of the backfield that teams have to honor making Brady's play action much more believable and effective.  Adding Foster would help the D stay off the field longer.  He would help us control the clock and game while trying to protect a late lead, something we are not good at, see SB XLVI.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : Ha, NE prob won't touch him here, but I think some team could take him in Rd 1, yes.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    You don't think he could play 34 DE for us?  I think we have plenty of 43 DTs so don't need him for that.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : Was this the article you were referencing when speaking about the 1st round tender option? http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/34875823
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    No, I didn't see that story before.  A first round tender?  Are you kidding me?  I'll go off the reservation if they pay Hoyer $2.7MM with all the other help we need.  As for Mallett not being ready, I guess people closer to the Patriots would know that better than me sitting out here in Cali. 

    Before reading this, I expect they will tender Hoyer at the 2nd round level and that no team will touch him for that price.  Since the contract is not guaranteed, there is no harm in tendering him.  Looks like we'll keep him for insurance for a year but man, this better be his last year in NE unless he comes back really cheap in 2013.
     
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    That's more like 75%-25% which comports with my "eye test."
    Posted by Critter23

    We tried to run against the Giants but were not having much success, 19/83.  BJGE was 10/44 which on paper isn't a bad 4.4.  On the first drive of the 2nd half, Green-Ellis gained 25 yards on 2 carries.  If you take those two rushes away, he was completely an ineffective 8/19, a 2.375 average.  We abandoned the run pretty much after that.

    On the next drive, New York forced a three-and-out—including a Justin Tuck sack of Brady on third down.  Brady was clearly hurt on this play and wasn't the same afterward.  On the second play of the fourth quarter, the first turnover of the game occurred when Giants linebacker Chase Blackburn picked off a deep Brady pass at the New York 8-yard line.

    Our inability to run the ball and protect a 17-9 lead in the 3rd quarter IMO cost us the game.  The Giants owed the TOP 37:05 to 22:55.  Our defense, which had been playing great tired late in the game allowing the Giants 3 scoring drives to our NONE.  A better running game would have allowed our defense to rest in the second half and we could have worn down their vaulted D line instead of them doing it to us by smashing us in the mouth with Bradshaw and Jacobs.
     
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    I like all the players in your mock, MB, but I am guessing you are then lobbying for Avril or some other vet FA at OLB. And I would still like to see a center in there somewhere.
     
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    Morning Boys!   Below is my Mock V2, I’ll also classify it as my “Pre-Combine/Pre-Free agency” Mock.   I think this haul would provide a huge upgrade in talent to all (3) levels of the defense as well as add a very underrated (IMO) talent to the WR corp, who could potentially see the field very early. ü   Huge upgrades in talent/skill/versatility/playmaking ability to the secondary.   ü   Huge upgrades in talent/skill/versatility up front, allowing a move back to a base 34.   ü   A sleeper at WR that could see the field very early, he’s also somebody that BB/NC are familiar with having scouted/drafted Shane Vereen in the 2011 draft. 1A.  Mark Barron- S Alabama 6-2 220- Big, instinctive, versatile, physical,   productive, ballhawk with a ton of experience and proven in the SEC.   Day 1 starter in NE. 1B.  Fletcher Cox- DL Miss State 6-4 295- Big, athletic, instinctive, versatile DL with a big motor that could start in both 34/43 fronts and could be NE's 2nd best DL from Day 1.   He’s also proven in the SEC. 2A.  Kendall Reyes- DL Uconn 6-4 300- Keeping with the trend of completely revamping NE's 34 front, he's another kid with good size, a big motor, good length and strength at the POA. 2B.  George Iloka - S/CB Boise State 6-3 222- Very good size/length and athleticism, versatile with experience at both S & CB, projects very well as a FS in Foxboro. 3.  Shea McClellin- OLB/DE Boise State 6-3 248- Tough kid with a huge motor, very good quicks and versatility.   He's a durable, blue collar kid that can make plays off the edge. 4.  Marvin Jones- WR Cal 6-2 198-   Day 2 upside, as bottom line, the kid can separate in coverage.   Very good size, body control and ball skills.   Also has good (huge) hands with the ability to get behind a D.   BB goes back to Cal for another offensive playmaker.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Good mock MB. Love the players you got in it. Every single one of them is a favorite of mine.

    Right now Barron and Cox is my dream 1st round. Fills 2 needs with young players, proven in the SEC and can start from day 1.

    Day 2, I like Reyes a lot, someone who has the size/length to play in both fronts and be effective. Iloka another favorite of mine, plus he has versitiliy, and the size/speed to cover TE effectively. He can be a real player, and adding him and Barron would be great.
    McClellin is another favorite of mine, in the mold of Mike Vrabel and even Ninkovich now. Can play DE, OLB, ILB and even played some slot CB and was effective at Boise from what I read. Blue Collar type player, and hard worker, with good motor.

    On Day 3, I am a big fan of Marvin Jones, he is a Patriot WR, and while he may not be a deep threat, he has the ability to separate from DB, and has great body control and hands. I fear, he will be moving up boards though.

    Nice work!
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : You don't think he could play 34 DE for us?  I think we have plenty of 43 DTs so don't need him for that.
    Posted by Faucetman


    I think he could play 34 DE, yes, good 2-gap ability, strenght at the POA IMO.  Questions about inconsistency/effort (which improved this year), may cause them to look elsewhere.
     
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    I like all the players in your mock, MB, but I am guessing you are then lobbying for Avril or some other vet FA at OLB. And I would still like to see a center in there somewhere.
    Posted by pumpsiefan


    My projection is more based on who I like in those ranges, could easily add a Vinny Curry or a Ben Jones on Day 2 etc., and I'd be happy.  Though I think Shea McClellin could be a solid rush LB for them.

    Avril would definitely be a good get and as a proven commodity off the edge, would be more in line with what BB tends to target vs. spending a high round pick on a conversion type (i.e Ryan Kerrigan who I lobbied for all last draft season, ha).
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : Good mock MB. Love the players you got in it. Every single one of them is a favorite of mine. Right now Barron and Cox is my dream 1st round. Fills 2 needs with young players, proven in the SEC and can start from day 1. Day 2, I like Reyes a lot, someone who has the size/length to play in both fronts and be effective. Iloka another favorite of mine, plus he has versitiliy, and the size/speed to cover TE effectively. He can be a real player, and adding him and Barron would be great. McClellin is another favorite of mine, in the mold of Mike Vrabel and even Ninkovich now. Can play DE, OLB, ILB and even played some slot CB and was effective at Boise from what I read. Blue Collar type player, and hard worker, with good motor. On Day 3, I am a big fan of Marvin Jones, he is a Patriot WR, and while he may not be a deep threat, he has the ability to separate from DB, and has great body control and hands. I fear, he will be moving up boards though. Nice work!
    Posted by sportslover21



    Good mock MB. Love the players you got in it. Every single one of them is a favorite of mine.Thanks, man! I’ve been wrestling with a lot of names for a while now and these just seemed to make sense to me when I put them on paper.

    Right now Barron and Cox is my dream 1st round. Fills 2 needs with young players, proven in the SEC and can start from day 1.
    Yessir, I’d toss in Hightower as the 3rd “like to have” in Rd 1.

    Day 2, I like Reyes a lot, someone who has the size/length to play in both fronts and be effective. Iloka another favorite of mine, plus he has versitiliy, and the size/speed to cover TE effectively. He can be a real player, and adding him and Barron would be great.
    McClellin is another favorite of mine, in the mold of Mike Vrabel and even Ninkovich now. Can play DE, OLB, ILB and even played some slot CB and was effective at Boise from what I read. Blue Collar type player, and hard worker, with good motor.

    Indeed... would love to see what they could do with the huge injection of talent, skill and versatility on the defensive side of the ball.  I'm mentioned this before, but I'm a much bigger fan of the tough, physical, swarming type D's that I am of elite passing O's, though I'll take whatever gets them another Lombardi Trophy! haha

    On Day 3, I am a big fan of Marvin Jones, he is a Patriot WR, and while he may not be a deep threat, he has the ability to separate from DB, and has great body control and hands. I fear, he will be moving up boards though.

    I agree that he’s a kid that could work his way into the top 100 or eve Day 2.  Can’t wait to see more 2011 tape of him.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : Great draft since it is so DE/DT and safety heavy I'd hope we get a CB in free agency Chung proved he can't play FS IMO so let's hope Iloka can really fly with those 220lbs on him... Chung's role would be less defined here, although I like the idea of an in the box hard hitting nickel safety, someone to shadow a big TE or QB who likes to run (Tebow/Big Ben) over a guy like Moore or DMC who would get blown up Also Jones seems to be moving way up the mock's... he isn't going to be there with the 2nd to last pick in rd 4
    Posted by rameakap


    Thanks, man!

    I too would like to see them pick up another CB whether it be in FA or the draft (which is pretty deep with them).

    I do think Iloka is the rangy type player that they need back there, agree that Chung is much more effective playing downhill.  Also love Iloka's combo of size/speed which I think, as you mentioned, would be a huge value against the bigger/faster WR's and athletic TE's that you see in the league today.

    I don't disagree on Jones, has Top 100/day 2 upside, IMO.
     
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    Morning Boys!   Below is my Mock V2, I’ll also classify it as my “Pre-Combine/Pre-Free agency” Mock.   I think this haul would provide a huge upgrade in talent to all (3) levels of the defense as well as add a very underrated (IMO) talent to the WR corp, who could potentially see the field very early. ü   Huge upgrades in talent/skill/versatility/playmaking ability to the secondary.   ü   Huge upgrades in talent/skill/versatility up front, allowing a move back to a base 34.   ü   A sleeper at WR that could see the field very early, he’s also somebody that BB/NC are familiar with having scouted/drafted Shane Vereen in the 2011 draft. 1A.  Mark Barron- S Alabama 6-2 220- Big, instinctive, versatile, physical,   productive, ballhawk with a ton of experience and proven in the SEC.   Day 1 starter in NE. 1B.  Fletcher Cox- DL Miss State 6-4 295- Big, athletic, instinctive, versatile DL with a big motor that could start in both 34/43 fronts and could be NE's 2nd best DL from Day 1.   He’s also proven in the SEC. 2A.  Kendall Reyes- DL Uconn 6-4 300- Keeping with the trend of completely revamping NE's 34 front, he's another kid with good size, a big motor, good length and strength at the POA. 2B.  George Iloka - S/CB Boise State 6-3 222- Very good size/length and athleticism, versatile with experience at both S & CB, projects very well as a FS in Foxboro. 3.  Shea McClellin- OLB/DE Boise State 6-3 248- Tough kid with a huge motor, very good quicks and versatility.   He's a durable, blue collar kid that can make plays off the edge. 4.  Marvin Jones- WR Cal 6-2 198-   Day 2 upside, as bottom line, the kid can separate in coverage.   Very good size, body control and ball skills.   Also has good (huge) hands with the ability to get behind a D.   BB goes back to Cal for another offensive playmaker.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    Wow, heavy on D which is needed.  Doubling down on S and DL help, increasing your chances of success.  Hard to argue with any of the selections.  But, let's say Barron is long gone.  What does that do to your board?  Do you still take Cox but at 27 to ensure you get him or do you keep the rest of your draft the same and go with another player at 27?

    Let's say you keep the rest of your draft the same.  You have these players available, who do you take:

    Hightower
    Adams
    Perry
    Mercilus
    Konz
     
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    Morning Boys!   Below is my Mock V2, I’ll also classify it as my “Pre-Combine/Pre-Free agency” Mock.   I think this haul would provide a huge upgrade in talent to all (3) levels of the defense as well as add a very underrated (IMO) talent to the WR corp, who could potentially see the field very early. ü   Huge upgrades in talent/skill/versatility/playmaking ability to the secondary.   ü   Huge upgrades in talent/skill/versatility up front, allowing a move back to a base 34.   ü   A sleeper at WR that could see the field very early, he’s also somebody that BB/NC are familiar with having scouted/drafted Shane Vereen in the 2011 draft. 1A.  Mark Barron- S Alabama 6-2 220- Big, instinctive, versatile, physical,   productive, ballhawk with a ton of experience and proven in the SEC.   Day 1 starter in NE. 1B.  Fletcher Cox- DL Miss State 6-4 295- Big, athletic, instinctive, versatile DL with a big motor that could start in both 34/43 fronts and could be NE's 2nd best DL from Day 1.   He’s also proven in the SEC. 2A.  Kendall Reyes- DL Uconn 6-4 300- Keeping with the trend of completely revamping NE's 34 front, he's another kid with good size, a big motor, good length and strength at the POA. 2B.  George Iloka - S/CB Boise State 6-3 222- Very good size/length and athleticism, versatile with experience at both S & CB, projects very well as a FS in Foxboro. 3.  Shea McClellin- OLB/DE Boise State 6-3 248- Tough kid with a huge motor, very good quicks and versatility.   He's a durable, blue collar kid that can make plays off the edge. 4.  Marvin Jones- WR Cal 6-2 198-   Day 2 upside, as bottom line, the kid can separate in coverage.   Very good size, body control and ball skills.   Also has good (huge) hands with the ability to get behind a D.   BB goes back to Cal for another offensive playmaker. Posted by mbeaulieu07
    LIKE it MB! ESP rd 1. I do like m jones a lot too. Wow 4 th rd too steal
     
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    Morning Boys!   Below is my Mock V2, I’ll also classify it as my “Pre-Combine/Pre-Free agency” Mock.   I think this haul would provide a huge upgrade in talent to all (3) levels of the defense as well as add a very underrated (IMO) talent to the WR corp, who could potentially see the field very early. ü   Huge upgrades in talent/skill/versatility/playmaking ability to the secondary.   ü   Huge upgrades in talent/skill/versatility up front, allowing a move back to a base 34.   ü   A sleeper at WR that could see the field very early, he’s also somebody that BB/NC are familiar with having scouted/drafted Shane Vereen in the 2011 draft. 1A.  Mark Barron- S Alabama 6-2 220- Big, instinctive, versatile, physical,   productive, ballhawk with a ton of experience and proven in the SEC.   Day 1 starter in NE. 1B.  Fletcher Cox- DL Miss State 6-4 295- Big, athletic, instinctive, versatile DL with a big motor that could start in both 34/43 fronts and could be NE's 2nd best DL from Day 1.   He’s also proven in the SEC. 2A.  Kendall Reyes- DL Uconn 6-4 300- Keeping with the trend of completely revamping NE's 34 front, he's another kid with good size, a big motor, good length and strength at the POA. 2B.  George Iloka - S/CB Boise State 6-3 222- Very good size/length and athleticism, versatile with experience at both S & CB, projects very well as a FS in Foxboro. 3.  Shea McClellin- OLB/DE Boise State 6-3 248- Tough kid with a huge motor, very good quicks and versatility.   He's a durable, blue collar kid that can make plays off the edge. 4.  Marvin Jones- WR Cal 6-2 198-   Day 2 upside, as bottom line, the kid can separate in coverage.   Very good size, body control and ball skills.   Also has good (huge) hands with the ability to get behind a D.   BB goes back to Cal for another offensive playmaker.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    Hey MB,

    Not sure if I'd like that draft. To many similar players and not sure it addresses the pass rushing need.

    Cox and Reyes - I don't see either as pass rushers honestly. They are very similar players with Cox having a higher upside. Both to me are Ty/G Warren types of players. Someone who's solid on the line and will defend the run very wel. On occasion will get after the QB but won't provide any type of consistent pass rush.  If they were to get one or the other I'd be fine but I wouldn't want both truthfully. To similar to each other without the benefit.

    Maybe if you replace Reyes with Wolfe. I think Wolfe has better rushing ability then either Cox or Reyes and provides that extra dimension

    Iloka and Barron - I like both but we get both? With Moore, Arrington, McCourty, Ras, Chung, and I think Ihedigbo will be back. Getting both with 1 additional FA fills the roster fro DB's but I'd rather get both a vet CB and vet S. I think our DB core is already to young enough adding one more DB I'd be happywith but not two. Honestly given the two I love Iloka's size and ability to flex between CB and S. Even though I think Barron is the better overall prospect but if you can get an edge rusher like Curry or Branch (maybe Hightower) in the 1st and Iloka late in the 2nd it might be the better overall improvement

    McClellin - Is someone I like a lot as a Vrable type of but only if they get a dependable solid pass rusher first and foremost and I don't think your draft addressed this.

    I do like the idea of getting a WR though

     
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    Yes, Faucet, I agree in the old days a 17-9 lead would have been protected with a running game.  We used to frustrate teams when they couldn't get the ball back.  Sort of what happened to us in the SB when it became obvious we were going to get the ball back with not enough time.  It is fun to project what might happen but until we get to the draft we won't know how BB will spend his chips.
     
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    Yes, Faucet, I agree in the old days a 17-9 lead would have been protected with a running game.  We used to frustrate teams when they couldn't get the ball back.  Sort of what happened to us in the SB when it became obvious we were going to get the ball back with not enough time.  It is fun to project what might happen but until we get to the draft we won't know how BB will spend his chips.
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    Agreed.  If we had a power run game and were controlling the clock, we would have won the SB easily.  Instead, our defense was on the field 2/3 of the game and just could not hold up and our offense did nothing after the first drive of the 2nd half.

    I know this is a passing league but sometimes running the ball is best, especially when you have the lead.
     
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    Morning Boys!   Below is my Mock V2, I’ll also classify it as my “Pre-Combine/Pre-Free agency” Mock.   I think this haul would provide a huge upgrade in talent to all (3) levels of the defense as well as add a very underrated (IMO) talent to the WR corp, who could potentially see the field very early. ü   Huge upgrades in talent/skill/versatility/playmaking ability to the secondary.   ü   Huge upgrades in talent/skill/versatility up front, allowing a move back to a base 34.   ü   A sleeper at WR that could see the field very early, he’s also somebody that BB/NC are familiar with having scouted/drafted Shane Vereen in the 2011 draft. 1A.  Mark Barron- S Alabama 6-2 220- Big, instinctive, versatile, physical,   productive, ballhawk with a ton of experience and proven in the SEC.   Day 1 starter in NE. 1B.  Fletcher Cox- DL Miss State 6-4 295- Big, athletic, instinctive, versatile DL with a big motor that could start in both 34/43 fronts and could be NE's 2nd best DL from Day 1.   He’s also proven in the SEC. 2A.  Kendall Reyes- DL Uconn 6-4 300- Keeping with the trend of completely revamping NE's 34 front, he's another kid with good size, a big motor, good length and strength at the POA. 2B.  George Iloka - S/CB Boise State 6-3 222- Very good size/length and athleticism, versatile with experience at both S & CB, projects very well as a FS in Foxboro. 3.  Shea McClellin- OLB/DE Boise State 6-3 248- Tough kid with a huge motor, very good quicks and versatility.   He's a durable, blue collar kid that can make plays off the edge. 4.  Marvin Jones- WR Cal 6-2 198-   Day 2 upside, as bottom line, the kid can separate in coverage.   Very good size, body control and ball skills.   Also has good (huge) hands with the ability to get behind a D.   BB goes back to Cal for another offensive playmaker.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    I wouldn't mind seeing the Pats do "something" like that but maybe just tweaked a bit.

    FA
    Take care of their own 1st
    FS/SS - Michael Griffin
    CB/FS - Richard Marshall
    WR - Brandon Llyod (rather have others but Brady has no excuse to not trust him instantly)

    Draft
    1A - FS/SS Mark Barron or DE/DT Fletcher Cox
    1B - ILB/OLB Donta Hightower or (CB Chase Minnifield/Stephen Gilmore)

    2A - DE/OLB Vinny Curry
    2B - FS/CB/SS George IIoka or C/G Ben Jones or WR

    3 - WR Marvin Jones or other WR or Mitchell Schwartz OT/OG

    4 - DE/OLB Shea McClellin or DE Derek Wolfe

    I would still anticipate them coming to situations at their picks where they like 2, 3 or more players equally and entertaining trades to move back a couple spots to pick something else up while still having a shot at whoever is left in the "like" bunch.
     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18!

    Mayock's updated rankings by position, 2/14/2012.

    Quarterback

    1. Andrew Luck, Stanford
    2. Robert Griffin III, Baylor
    3. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
    4. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
    5. Nick Foles, Arizona

    New entries: Weeden, Foles

    Running Back

    1. Trent Richardson, Alabama
    2. David Wilson, Virginia Tech
    3. Lamar Miller, Miami (Fla.)
    4. Doug Martin, Boise State
    5. LaMichael James, Oregon

    Wide Receiver

    1. Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
    2. Kendall Wright, Baylor
    3. Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
    4. Rueben Randle, LSU
    5. Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina



    Rise: Wright
    Fall: Floyd, Jeffery
    New entry: Randle
    Out: Wake Forest's Chris Givens

    Tight End

    1. Orson Charles, Georgia
    2. Coby Fleener, Stanford
    3. Dwayne Allen, Clemson
    4. Deangelo Peterson, LSU
    5. Ladarius Green, Louisiana-Lafayette

    Rise: Charles
    Fall: Allen, Green
    New entry: Peterson
    Out: Missouri's Michael Egnew

    Tackle

    1. Matt Kalil, USC
    2. Riley Reiff, Iowa
    3. Jonathan Martin, Stanford
    4. Mike Adams, Ohio State
    5. Cordy Glenn, Georgia

    Rise: Kalil
    Fall: Reiff
    New entry: Glenn (switched groups from interior offensive lineman to tackle)
    Out: Troy's James Brown, Florida State's Zebrie Sanders

    Interior Offensive Lineman

    1. David DeCastro, Stanford
    2. Peter Konz, Wisconsin
    3. Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
    4. Amini Silatolu, Midwestern State
    5. Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State

    Fall: Osemele
    New entry: Silatolu
    Out: Glenn (switched groups from interior offensive lineman to tackle)

    Defensive End

    1. Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
    2. Quinton Coples, North Carolina
    3. Andre Branch, Clemson
    4. Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
    T-5. Vinny Curry, Marshall
    T-5. Nick Perry, USC

    Rise: Ingram, Branch
    Fall: Coples, Mercilus, Perry
    New entry: Curry
    Out: Syracuse's Chandler Jones

    Defensive Tackle

    1. Michael Brockers, LSU
    2. Jerel Worthy, Michigan State
    3. Dontari Poe, Memphis
    4. Devon Still, Penn State
    T-5. Fletcher Cox, Mississippi St.
    T-5. Kendall Reyes, UConn
    T-5. Brandon Thompson, Clemson

    Rise: Brockers, Poe
    Fall: Still, Thompson
    New entry: Reyes

    Linebacker

    1. Courtney Upshaw, Alabama
    2. Luke Kuechly, Boston College
    3. Dont'a Hightower, Alabama
    4. Ronnell Lewis, Oklahoma
    5. Sean Spence, Miami (Fla.)

    New entries: Lewis, Spence
    Out: North Carolina's Zach Brown, Arizona State's Vontaze Burfict

    Cornerback



    1. Morris Claiborne, LSU
    2. Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
    3. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
    4. Trumaine Johnson, Montana
    5. Leonard Johnson, Iowa State

    Rise: Kirkpatrick
    Fall: Jenkins, Leonard Johnson
    New entry: Trumaine Johnson
    Out: Nebraska's Alfonzo Dennard

    Safety

    1. Mark Barron, Alabama
    2. Harrison Smith, Notre Dame
    3. George Iloka, Boise State
    4. Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State
    5. Phillip Thomas, Syracuse

    New entry: Phillip Thomas
    Out: South Carolina's Antonio Allen

     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***

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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : We tried to run against the Giants but were not having much success, 19/83.  BJGE was 10/44 which on paper isn't a bad 4.4.  On the first drive of the 2nd half, Green-Ellis gained 25 yards on 2 carries.  If you take those two rushes away, he was completely an ineffective 8/19, a 2.375 average....
    Posted by Faucetman


    i would argue though that the stalling of the running game was not a rb issue. the rb got hit in the backfield more than a couple of times by someone penetrating. i need to watch it again but i believe the penetration was pretty consistently through mankins.

    i do want them to get a rb with more star power. i believe they have not been practicing their running game as meticulously as their passing game. i also believe run blocking schemes are more complicated than pass blocking - it takes a lot of practice for the different parts to gel together. hopefully a rb with some star power will force them a little bit to invest more time developing their running game.


     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18!

    get konz and that penetrating by D-linemen will stop
     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***

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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : My bad!  In the three losses to the Giants this year the ratio of passes to runs was 138:55 which is slightly less that 29% runs to almost 72% pass.  For the sake of simplicity less say the ratio of pass to run was 71:29%, or even more generalized...2/3rds pass to 1/3rd run....A far cry from a balanced 50:50 ratio! While many bloggers are convinced that our primary need is on Defense one should also address the fact that we pass more Because our run game is lacking.  This strongly suggests that if a BLUE-CHIP OL is available and by comparison a less predictable defensive player we should address BPA. When you place too much emphasis on drafting for NEED you invariably REACH when you should be GRABBING the BPA!
    Posted by moskk

    difference of opinion i guess, but i do not believe that balance is achieved at 50-50. if i have to choose a ratio it would be around 60-40. 

    that said, i don't believe it is about ratios for this team. it really is about bb being able to show..
    1) the team can be patient enough to complete a drive down the field and scoring via a series of 3, 4, 5, 6, 7-yard chunks on the ground (please don't take it literally and think i am talking about an all run drive).
    2) the o will be willing to play about 35% run against a good run d or a good balanced d and win.
    3) that he is willing to bet on the run when the game is on the line, and winning on that bet. 



     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***

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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : Wow, heavy on D which is needed.  Doubling down on S and DL help, increasing your chances of success.  Hard to argue with any of the selections.  But, let's say Barron is long gone.  What does that do to your board?  Do you still take Cox but at 27 to ensure you get him or do you keep the rest of your draft the same and go with another player at 27? Let's say you keep the rest of your draft the same.  You have these players available, who do you take: Hightower Adams Perry Mercilus Konz
    Posted by Faucetman


    If Barron is off the board,  I would prob look Cox or Hightower at 27 though Konz would also be in the discussion. 

    I also think Adams has value, but he would seem redundant based on the assumption that they'd prob role with Solder/Vollmer/Cannon at OT (I also wouldn't rule out Light coming back).  Now if Light is gone and they aren't completely confident in Vollmer's durability and they want to groom Cannon as more of an OG, then I think Adams would be in play.
     
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    In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***": LIKE it MB! ESP rd 1. I do like m jones a lot too. Wow 4 th rd too steal
    Posted by NOISE


    Thanks Noise, I'll prob have to move Jones up eventually as I think he'll ultimately be off the board close to the top 100 or on Day 2 etc.
     
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