***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED!

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    Some weigh-in notables from the defensive side of the ball (from WalterFootball.com): Michael Brockers - is a 6-5 322 monster with 35 inch arms. Fletcher Cox - Measured in at a solid 6-4 298, with 34.5 inch arms. Shea McClellin - Up from 248 to 260 at 6-3, kid is one of my favorite 34 OLB candidates in this class. Kendall Reyes -  Solid size 6-4 299 with 33 1/4 inch arms. Derek Wolfe - Up from 286 to 295 (as PE had mentioned), has good 34 height/weight at 6-4 295. Billy Win - 6-4 294, but his arms were only 32.5 inches. Nick Perry - Weighed in at 271, up (21) pounds from his listed weight of 250, he's also 6-3. Jared Crick - 6-4 279, unless they're looking to go more 43, I don't see him as an option, unles they're looking to add some sub-package talent on day 2. Dont'a Hightower - Measured in (2) inches shorter than expected at 6-2 265. Zach Brown - Up to 244 pounds at 6-1. Ronnell Lewis - 6-2 253 is about (9) pounds heavier than expected, maybe an option as a 34 OLB?  Kid can bring it. Mark Barron - 6-1 213 Robert Blanton - 6-1 208, was a CB at ND, but could project to S as well. Ron Brooks - My late round ultra-sleeper , 5-10 190, which is about (10) pounds heavier than expected. Stephon Gilmore - 6-0 190, which is about (1) inch and (5) pounds lighter than expected. George Iloka - 6-4 225, 34.5 inch arms, kid has elite size/length. Janoris Jenkins - 5-10 193, heaver than expected, which should be good for him, assuming he runs well. Harrison Smith - 6-2 213, excellent size for a S.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    Wow, Brockers is a beast.  He'll go top 10.  What did Ta'amu and Poe check in at?
     
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    One last note on the 40 times...Remember that Lucas Oil Stadium is generally considered a "slow track" for the player's 40 times.  Some of the guys like Joe Adams and Kendall Wright who ran significantly slower than expected will almost certainly improve their times at their pro-days on faster surfaces.  Stay tuned.
    Posted by WazzuWheatfarmer

    Yeah.  I won't put too much stock in those "official" times.  Everybody works a stop watch a little differently.  That is why so many teams are sitting up in the stands with their own stop watches, presumably because they trust themselves for then the Combine.
     
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    Just finished Day 2.  We all have a lot of the same observations.  Hill was fast, slowed excellent hands, loved the diving catch on the deep route.  I know the kid is a hard evaluation but he POTENTIALLY could kill two birds, giving us that deep threat and the big body.  Imagine if he was the real deal and we put him on the field with Gronk, Hern, and Welker?  OMG, we'll be accused of cheating _ AGAIN!!

    I forgot which of you were talking up Devon Wylie, too many posts plus my memory sucks.  Anyway, I was impressed big time with this kid today.  He could be the next Welker but with speed to go along with the quicks.  They have the same 5-9, 185 frame.  What is the deal with this kid, not much production?  From Fresno State, so he's got that connection with Mankins.  I bet this kid has BB's attention.  He could be a solid late round addition.  I hate to say this and sound cold, but anytime a player is over 30 and is over that $5MM cap number, it seems BB starts looking for their replacement.

    Mike, your boy Floyd obviously tore it up and could be the 2nd WR taken, perhaps to SD.  So, he'll likely be long gone but it seems when the draft is deep at a certain position, BB likes to wait to get value later on.  But with our need at WR so big and the number of high picks we have, I could see us taking a Randle or Hill in that mid 2nd range then come back for a Wylie later on.  We could tag Welker for a year to see how Wylie performs.  If he looks good, we do a tag and trade the following year.
     
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    I just fell in love with Robert Turbin after watching that tape.  I thought guys were going to catch him from behind--but I didn't see that either...Also, one day ago I never heard of Hill.  Now, he's all the talk.  Isn't this a fun time of year?  Even if BB isn't interested, someone in front of us might be, and that would kick another player down.  What some of you are making clear is we might be able to fill our needs more than adequately in the 2nd round.
     
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    bred/brd, I think we are pretty much on the same page with everything, our need for a couple of quality WRs to go with Welker, and a stronger, more complete running game. The only major difference I think we have is I don't think we should spend a draft pick on TE this year.  If we have other weapons besides Gronk, Welker and Hern, one of them going down isn't as big a deal.  This is a pathetic class of TEs this year.  There is no Gronk-lite out there who could have come in and "replaced him."  Gronk at 50% was still a better option than 90% of those guys I saw at the Combine yesterday. I think the best way to go is pick up an inexpensive veteran to be that 3rd TE.  I would get someone who is an accomplished blocker like we had with Crumpler but not someone you expect to get much from in the passing game. As for the running game, I expect big things from Vereen.  He could be our next Kevin Faulk.  He's fast, has good hands and can do damage in the open field.  I look for him and Ridley to be our 1-2 punch.  There are some backs that interest me in this draft in every round but I think other needs are more important to address first unless we see a really good talent at a value spot we weren't expecting. For all those watching Stephen Hill, I just saw his two 40s and heard the comments and comparisons to Demarius Thomas and that Josh McDaniels who drafted him for the Broncos, now with the Patriots, might be thinking the same thing.  I'm not ready to say first round yet Mike, so no double or nothing bet.  But I think all of us are going to be doing our homework on Hill now.
    Posted by Faucetman

    good post faucet,
    agreed.
    re te,
    if we got a fa blocking te who is a moderate threat in the pass game (but not just a blocking te) if one of the other 2 go down, i'd be cool with that.

     
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    Just finished Day 2.  We all have a lot of the same observations.  Hill was fast, slowed excellent hands, loved the diving catch on the deep route.  I know the kid is a hard evaluation but he POTENTIALLY could kill two birds, giving us that deep threat and the big body.
    Posted by Faucetman


    I agree: Hill looks great on tapes! 6'4", 4.36s (tied for fastest as WR) and 39 vertical! Whaoo!!!
    Looks like what the doctor ordered! Unfortunately as we all know, BB will never draft a WR on day one. Cry
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : I agree: Hill looks great on tapes! 6'4", 4.36s (tied for fastest as WR) as and 39 vertical! Whaoo!!! Looks like what the doctor ordered! Unfortunately as we all know, BB will never draft a WR on day one.
    Posted by FrogLegs


    It's a good thing he's considered an early day 2 guy, and that we just hired a OC that loved his teammate (Thomas) 2 years ago and Hill is considered the better of the two prospects 

    I'm hoping the stars align and BB grabs him. But, as always there is a proviso. If and only if Hill can interview well and has enough intelligence to understand routes.

    Boy would I like to be a fly on the wall. But, I'd ask Brady to come in for a week when you are bringing players in for private workouts and have him work with the WR's. Let him chose since, if he picks a WR then he can't complain if they don't get it right away
     
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    On the topic of 40 times.

    40 times shouldn't be the end all be all but used more as a comparison for WR's within the draft. Honestly unless a WR blows the times away every draft class is about the same. The top 5% are always about the same speed regardless of class the middle 60% are always about the same and the back 5% are always about the same. Since Hill is in the top 5% you can be assured that he is comparable to the fastest guys from previous years. I don't trust pro-day 40's because of the difference in track speed but at least in the combine it's an equal playing field

    What I don't get was 12 years ago when I was in HS and running track, during the state meets they had you wear timing devices on your shoes. When the tag crossed the line it triggered and when you crossed the finish line it stopped. It never affected the outcome but gave you a true 100m time. Why would that be difficult to use?
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : It's a good thing he's considered an early day 2 guy


    I don't think the guy will last until 48 (rnd 2). He surely opened up some eyes. He is already considered by Steve Mariucci as the draft best value WR (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d8273b6b4/Running-up-the-Hill?continuous=true).

    Boy would I like to be a fly on the wall. But, I'd ask Brady to come in for a week when you are bringing players in for private workouts and have him work with the WR's. Let him chose since, if he picks a WR then he can't complain if they don't get it right away
    Posted by PatsEng


    Agreed! After all Brday is supposed to work the whole year for the Pat organisation so why not let him evaluate the WRs and let him choose the one(s) he likes most?
     
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    My favorite day of the draft, DL and LBs.  My list of to watch:

    First one is Brett Roy 6'3" 275, has played S moved to LB moved to DT at Nevada.  Does he participate on LB drills, how does he move?  He's got some cover skill but his speed and hips will be key to me if he wants to be an OLB.

    LB/DE
    Curry
    Jacquies Smith
    Malik Jackson
    Jake Bequette
    Andre Branch
    Jonathan Massaquoi
    McClellin
    Hightower
    (and still high on Zach Brown OLB, want to see him run and show how athletic he is)

    DT/DE
    Poe (movement skills, is he athletic enough to play DE?)
    Reyes looks the part, want to see him moving
    Ta'amu (same as Poe)
    Kheeston Randall, I like Randall I know there are some areas he needs to work on but he's got all the tools.  Needs coaching but can be a good DE
    Wolfe
    Travian Robertson (kid to watch from South Carolina, needs better technique but has power and speed 6'4" 300lbs)
    Winn
    Tyrone Crawford 

     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : I don't think the guy will last until 48 (rnd 2). He surely opened up some eyes. He is already considered by Steve Mariucci as a the draft best value WR ( http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d8273b6b4/Running-up-the-Hill?continuous=true). Agreed! After all Brday is supposed to work the whole year for the Pat organisation so why not let him evaluate the WRs and let him choose the one(s) he likes most?
    Posted by FrogLegs


    #48 might be pushing it truthfully but I don't think he gets taken at the end of the 1st unless someone trades up for him.

    I see Sanu, K Wright, Blackmon, Floyd being the 1st round pick WR's this year. Jeffery, Randle, and Hill will be taken in the top 50, so essentially the first half of the 2nd round. Many consider Randle a better prospect then Hill because of the system's they both ran in. Jeffery is the wild card and some have teams taking them off the board while others don't see his on field concerns as an issue.

    I guess it all depends on how you feel about those 3 guys. IMO, if you trade one of those 1st back to somewhere in the 35-45 range you target Hill or Randle.
     
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    On the topic of 40 times. 40 times shouldn't be the end all be all but used more as a comparison for WR's within the draft. Honestly unless a WR blows the times away every draft class is about the same. The top 5% are always about the same speed regardless of class the middle 60% are always about the same and the back 5% are always about the same. Since Hill is in the top 5% you can be assured that he is comparable to the fastest guys from previous years. I don't trust pro-day 40's because of the difference in track speed but at least in the combine it's an equal playing field What I don't get was 12 years ago when I was in HS and running track, during the state meets they had you wear timing devices on your shoes. When the tag crossed the line it triggered and when you crossed the finish line it stopped. It never affected the outcome but gave you a true 100m time. Why would that be difficult to use?
    Posted by PatsEng


    It wouldn't. They don't care. They don't put or line RFID in the footballs and goal line either or even bother to put cameras on the goal line. Keeps the water cooler talk going for business.

    The 40 is just entertainment and bragging rights.

    It was created to measure how quickly a player could cover a punt.

    They pay far greater attention to "functional" speed and strength.

    I'd be far more interested in watching them run the 40 in full pads, knee braces(OL), etc. As well as skill position players ALSO carrying a football. ...even without them changing how they start and stop the timing.

    Actually, all the drills, timed, measured, and positional.
     
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    Important thing to note. Looks like Clev won't trade up with the Rams to get RGIII. Was is reporting that they are looking to put together a Williams type of deal to move up to #2 and grab RGIII.

    This is important to the Pats because Was also liked Weeden, If they couldn't get RGIII. They might have traded back into the late 1st to get Weeden so they were a potential trade partner for one of the 1st's.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : It wouldn't. They don't care. They don't put or line RFID in the footballs and goal line either or even bother to put cameras on the goal line. Keeps the water cooler talk going for business. The 40 is just entertainment and bragging rights. It was created to measure how quickly a player could cover a punt. They pay far greater attention to "functional" speed and strength. I'd be far more interested in watching them run the 40 in full pads, knee braces(OL), etc. As well as skill position players ALSO carrying a football. ...even without them changing how they start and stop the timing. Actually, all the drills, timed, measured, and positional.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    Though 40 times generally not all that important the 10yrd split imo is extremely important. It does measure that quick burst in getting off the line. That makes a difference if a player needs time to get up to speed or if they hit their top gear quickly.
     
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    Anyone else excited about the DL and LB drills today?
     
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    Anyone else excited about the DL and LB drills today?
    Posted by PatsEng


    I cleared my schedule for this one, this is my favorite day of the combine. 
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Though 40 times generally not all that important the 10yrd split imo is extremely important. It does measure that quick burst in getting off the line. That makes a difference if a player needs time to get up to speed or if they hit their top gear quickly.
    Posted by PatsEng


    Yes more than 40 agreed but in the way they do it? Not so much. Again no equipment AND more importantly you are leaving on your own accord when you are good and ready and relaxed.

    You will get a completely different set of results if the players had to leave on a varying cadence, including hard counts by a QB and ball(snap) movement. ...and by results I don't mean times, that part is obvious. I mean a very different set of top performers. Especially if you add a 10th of a second to a players time for every time they jump off side.

    ...but all of that would make too much sense to do.
     
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    Posted by PatsEng


    What time do they start today?
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Yes more than 40 agreed but in the way they do it? Not so much. Again no equipment AND more importantly you are leaving on your own accord when you are good and ready and relaxed. You will get a completely different set of results if the players had to leave on a varying cadence, including hard counts by a QB and ball(snap) movement. ...and by results I don't mean times, that part is obvious. I mean a very different set of top performers. Especially if you add a 10th of a second to a players time for every time they jump off side. ...but all of that would make too much sense to do.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    Well it's more a measure of how quickly they get up to speed then it is a measure of reaction. They have different drills to measure reaction speed. But, I agree. What I would like is a straight 25yrd burst with reaction test. You have them stand as if they were on a line and have their head turned watching a light. Have it flash yellow a random set of times (1-5) and when it turns green they have to go. You have lasers setup at every 5yrd and when the field is broken is a measuring point timed with the green light. Pretty simple, easy to setup, and would give true reaction, burst times
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : What time do they start today?
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    Here's the schedule

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/live


    I sort have wished I took the day off. I'm recording it but watching times come up on a screen just isn't the same
     
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    Wow Branch has really long arms

    Ran 4.62, 6'4.25" 259lbs

    Brockers 6'5" 322 lbs 35" arms

    Cox 1.63 10yrd split 4.79 40 at 298lbs, wow
     
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    wow Fletcher Cox 4.79
     
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    wow Fletcher Cox 4.79
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    1.63 10 yrd split, they made a comment, thats WR split type time.
     
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    Curry sucked on the 40, WTH! 4.97?  what is that?
     
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    DL I generally don't care about 10yrds or 40yrds at all. Honestly for a DL how often are they running more then 2yrds without someone hitting them?

    I generally care about cone and shuttle to show CoD ability and quick burst as they have to change direction with those large bodies
     
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