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    Morning Boys,
    Getting a late start on WR's, very impressed with the straightline speed of Hill, Floyd, Coale (good late round option) and Chris Givens (a pretty fluid/sudden kid with straightline speed to match, I like him as a mid-rounder).  Was a little suprised to see Adams run only a 4.44, but the kid is very fast/sudden on the football field nonetheless and I still like him a lot.
     
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    Also can't wait to see Randle, Jones, Sanu, Wylie, McNutt, Wright & Quick, run.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : His routes are impressing me. He's taking a couple extra steps on hard cuts then most guys but he's also getting their faster then most guys so not a big deal. On a couple of the sidelines he's taking a slightly larger angle which slows him down but he's not going to be a 5-10yrd hook guy so he'll have separation before making the turn. as a 15+yrd guy he's going to be something to watch for in the pro's. I' starting to think we should grab him at #48 if he's there. He has the size that people like me want in the sideline presence but has the speed MB is looking for as a vertical stretcher. He's got a great package IF he's smart enough to understand routes
    Posted by PatsEng


    This is now where the interview with BB is important, does he have enough football IQ?  We know he will not be a polished route runner (although much better than given credit for), but does he understand concepts of Os and D alignments ect.

    If he does well there I say at 48 yes but there might be a team that goes and gets him before that.  One team will fall in love with his shorts times ect.  So far this is the best combine workout to me so far, Phillip Blake and Glenn also very impressive workouts.

    Blake I expected but Glenn who I've watched really blew it up.  Wasn't expecting him to move that well, he's a tackle or guard in my book.  He has the tools to be a RT, maybe even LT with a bit of work.  Has the power and leverage to move inside.  

    So far these three I think have helped themselves the most.  
     
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    Morning Boys, Getting a late start on WR's, very impressed with the straightline speed of Hill, Floyd, Coale (good late round option) and Chris Givens (a pretty fluid/sudden kid with straightline speed to match, I like him as a mid-rounder).  Was a little suprised to see Adams run only a 4.44, but the kid is very fast/sudden on the football field nonetheless and I still like him a lot.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Morning,

    I left for 20 minutes, just got back hopping I didn't miss Jones.  I think he will not be a Hill type combine but he will not be far behind.  Those 2nd tier WRs (Randles, Sanu, Jeffreys ect) better watch out there are some guys making a huge impression for a 2nd round grade. Not saying combine its why but they are making GMs and coaches go watch.  For Hill, if he was in a spread or pro style he would be a 1st rounder, and BTW I had talked about him before.  This is not just based on combine.  really like my Georgia and Tech guys.
     
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    4.48 unofficial for Marvin Jones, nice.
     
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    M. Jones 4.48, about what I expected.  Thought he be around 4.43/4.45
     
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    Hill was a guy I was hoping would be available in the 3rd Rnd if we missed out on Randle.  Looks like he will be gone well before that now.  I still like Randle, but McD has shown willingness to take an early chance on a raw but special athlete at WR in Demarius Thomas.  I love the depth of this WR class.  Also, I still love Joe Adams.  4.44 is by no means a slow time, and the strength of his game is quickness and sudden change-of-direction anyway. 
     
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    Hill was a guy I was hoping would be available in the 3rd Rnd if we missed out on Randle.  Looks like he will be gone well before that now.  I still like Randle, but McD has shown willingness to take an early chance on a raw but special athlete at WR in Demarius Thomas.  I love the depth of this WR class.  Also, I still love Joe Adams.  4.44 is by no means a slow time, and the strength of his game is quickness and sudden change-of-direction anyway. 
    Posted by WazzuWheatfarmer


    Hill is not making out of the 1st half of second round.  But again for me is how smart is he with film.  But given his speed, production in O with limited oportunities (29 yard average per catch) a team will take him.  I think right now, oh boy but right now he's ahead of Sanu, Randle and all those guys.  

    All teams 33 to 44 or have WR as one of their needs.
     
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    Quick- 4.48 unofficial.

    Randle- 4.50.. also a bit smaller than originall though, coming in under 6-3.
     
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    Brian quick 4.48, that's huge for his size.  He showed his skills at Senior Bowl, another one who could be on the way up.

    THis is really a good deep draft for WRs.

    Might be the time for BB to pull the trigger on a couple of them as he did last year with RBs.
     
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    Also of note:  AJ Jenkins, Illinois 4.37;  McNutt  Iowa  4.42.  Both pretty impressive.
     
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    Also of note:  AJ Jenkins, Illinois 4.37;  McNutt  Iowa  4.42.  Both pretty impressive.
    Posted by WazzuWheatfarmer


    I missed McNutt's 40, but that's pretty damn good.
     
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    The Wrights, Jarius (4.41) is faster than Kendall (4.45).

     
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    Aaron Hernandez, 4.64 6'2.3" 245lbs
    Sanu 4.65 6'2" 211lbs

    Enough said about Sanu?

     
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    Wylie with a 4.37... boom, love this kid as an option for NE.

     
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    The Wrights, Jarius (4.41) is faster than Kendall (4.45).
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Jarius, one of the two I'm looking for on draft day.
     
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    Aaron Hernandez, 4.64 6'2.3" 245lbs Sanu 4.65 6'2" 211lbs Enough said about Sanu?
    Posted by Pats7393


    I had Randle /> Sanu before today and that definitely hasn't changed.

    Sanu hurt himself today, especially with the # of "big" WR's running low/sub 4.4.

    Randle is the #1 "big" WR on my board (#1 overall WR actually), assuming Floyd is not in the discussion.
     
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    Morning Boys, Getting a late start on WR's, very impressed with the straightline speed of Hill, Floyd, Coale (good late round option) and Chris Givens (a pretty fluid/sudden kid with straightline speed to match, I like him as a mid-rounder).  Was a little suprised to see Adams run only a 4.44, but the kid is very fast/sudden on the football field nonetheless and I still like him a lot.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    MB It's not just Hills' speed. I've been watching the ctaching drills and Hill seems very fluid anf has the softest hands I've seen yet. They are so soft you can bearly hear him catch the ball. Very impressive

     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Hill is not making out of the 1st half of second round.  But again for me is how smart is he with film.  But given his speed, production in O with limited oportunities (29 yard average per catch) a team will take him.  I think right now, oh boy but right now he's ahead of Sanu, Randle and all those guys.   All teams 33 to 44 or have WR as one of their needs.
    Posted by Pats7393


    To play devil's advocate, this kind of brings us back into the discussion of production vs. upside, especially high in the draft.  Hill is a kid that looks the part (much like Price/Tate), but 49 career catches leaves a lot to be desired (understanding that he's coming from an option offense (Chan Gailey was Calvin's college coach).  The recent success of Demaryius Thomas (who had similar size/speed) will certainly help this kind in the minds of teams though, IMO.
     
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    I love the film I saw on Quick. Very ellusive and great YAC ability. With low 4.4 speed that's impressive.  

    Hrm going to really have to rethink my WR rankings.  

    Right now I'm going (with options that could be there)

    Hill
    Randle
    Quick
    McNutt
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : I had Randle /> Sanu before today and that definitely hasn't changed. Sanu hurt himself today, especially with the # of "big" WR's running low/sub 4.4. Randle is the #1 "big" WR on my board (#1 overall WR actually), assuming Floyd is not in the discussion.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    I like Sanu but not for what the Pats need (well what we feel they need).  Sanu too similar to Hernandez and Underwood is faster and has been in the system.  I'm looking for that #1 type receiver who is a burner.

    I'm not considering the top 3 WRs because they'll be off the board.  So second rnd and beyond guys I really like M. Jones, J. Wright, Hill (before the combine now even more), Randle
     
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    Morning Boys, Getting a late start on WR's, very impressed with the straightline speed of Hill, Floyd, Coale (good late round option) and Chris Givens (a pretty fluid/sudden kid with straightline speed to match, I like him as a mid-rounder).  Was a little suprised to see Adams run only a 4.44, but the kid is very fast/sudden on the football field nonetheless and I still like him a lot.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Congrats!  Your comment on the relevance of being "field fast" is right on.  While straight-line speed is impressive and 3-cone performance supportive it's more what you do with what you got that ultimately counts the most.  In addition, the ability to find the ball, react and even fight for possession are equally important.  Lastly, it's always rewarding to get additional yards after the catch...but at least catch the ball FIRST (which presumes good route running and the ability to gain separation.

    Until such time as BB gets to address all the other stuff we need to temper our enthusiasm for "speed" as the ultimate objective.  It's why Blackman is rated top 5-10 in this draft.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : To play devil's advocate, this kind of brings us back into the discussion of production vs. upside, especially high in the draft.  Hill is a kid that looks the part (much like Price/Tate), but 49 career catches leaves a lot to be desired (understanding that he's coming from an option offense (Chan Gailey was Calvin's college coach).  The recent success of Demaryius Thomas (who had similar size/speed) will certainly help this kind in the minds of teams though, IMO.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Also Calvin Johnson came from that same O.  Johnson had 78 catches his senior season and that was 2nd best all time in tech history.  These guys don't catch a ton of passes.

    Hill's 29 yard per catch average makes you say hmmmm, he runs better routes that he's given credit for and in run support he's top notch (had more than enough practice there with an O that runs 80% of snaps.
     
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    Oh and I'm not calling Hill, the new Calvin Johnson.  Just in case someone thinks I'm going there.
     
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    Pass Rush---By Mike Reiss

    INDIANAPOLIS -- Quick hits on some of the top prospects at the combine who might be of interest to the Patriots from a pass-rush perspective: 

    1. Clemson DE/OLB Andre Branch. With 10.5 sacks last season, the 6-foot-4, 259-pound Branch has solid size to possibly fit as a defensive end in a four-man front or outside linebacker in a 3-4. Branch talked about how Clemson had certain packages on defense where he dropped into coverage, which showed he is more than just a pass rusher. At the same time, he prides himself on getting to the quarterback, often using a "dip" move that he called his favorite. He models his game after Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs. "I'm a versatile player. I can stand up, I can run sideline to sideline and I can also drop into coverage. And I'm a natural born leader," said Branch, who graduated in December with a degree in sociology. He's a projected first- or second-round pick. 

    2. North Carolina DE Quinton Coples. Considered by analysts as a boom or bust first-round option, the 6-foot-5, 284-pound Coples has dominated at times, while disappearing at others. He enters the draft with the rap that he shut it down as a senior. "It was a situation that my coach asked me to do, make a change. I made that change and I think I think I ran into some things a little more than I should have instead of just playing the game that I love," he explained. "It kind of affected my game. But overall, I went to the Senior Bowl, I did some things, and I showed them that I can compete at the highest level." Coples is the type of player who could slide on draft day, but in the event that happens, it's hard to imagine it would be as far as the Patriots' pick at 27. 

    3. Marshall DE/OLB Vinny Curry. After posting 23 sacks over the last two seasons, Curry put himself on the NFL radar as a rising pass rusher. He measured 6-foot-3 and 266 pounds and is viewed by analysts as a likely second-round pick. Because he didn't play at a big-time college, Curry enters the NFL with a chip on his shoulder. "I like stuff like that. I love being the underdog," he said. "I feel the underdog always works harder, always has something to prove. That’s my personality. I just love to work, I love to get better. I just like the game of football. When you’re in love with this game and you’ve got a passion for it it’s a different mindset." 

    4. South Carolina DE Melvin Ingram. From a body prototype perspective, the 6-foot-1, 264-pound Ingram didn't pass the eye-ball test as someone that would be targeted by the Patriots. In the perfect world, the Patriots like a player with a bit more length, but there is no denying Ingram's pass-rush explosion. He's been working with Broncos DE Von Miller, and like Miller, Ingram said he prides himself on athleticism and relentless approach to get to the ball. "We just try to compete against each other every day," he said. "Obviously, he's the Defensive Rookie of the Year. So I just try to pattern myself after him because I feel like he's had a lot of success in the NFL." Ingram is projected as a top 15 pick by analysts. 

    5. Alabama DE/OLB Courtney Upshaw. A projected first-round pick, likely off the board before the Patriots' first selection at 27, Upshaw is another "tweener" with scheme versatility. "We had a nickel package where I played a 4-3 as the end, away from the tight end, in a 5-technique, hand-on-the-ground, dropping out of a three-point stance in coverage if the D-end had to. So I'm real comfortable with doing that. We played an odd front where I was also an end but three down linemen so I'm real comfortable playing with my hand in the dirt," he said. Bill Belichick's ties with Alabama coach Nick Saban are well documented, so any Crimson Tide prospect warrants a closer look. When a reporter asked about a link to the Patriots, Upshaw pointed out he was a Colts fan (no truth to the rumor that Upshaw was promptly removed from the Patriots' draft board).