***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED!

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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Yes because it is considered a deep, as far as depth goes, class. ...Not a deep as far as "elite" class. Those same mid level guys going this year are the same as other years, just more of them available. Those  guys are not your Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, or Randy Moss guys who have all the attributes. It's been said by many a scout that even Blackmon who will be the 1st receiver taken isn't really considered elite or in the class of those types of top 10 WR's.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ



    agreed, hope you know that is not what i was saying. 
    there are many big receivers in the league who are hard to stop who are not calvin johnson.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : left this thread for a bit, action is going to really heat up in a few weeks tho what do you think about our two first rd picks, or a 1st 2nd and Mallet/Hoyer for Trent Richardson/pick 4 bred? mb has to give us a new mock as soon as free agency seems over
    Posted by rameakap



    personaly i would love to have richardson. i love his game.
    however that is just too rich for me. if we had less needs maybe.
    wouldnt trade mallet at this point till we know hes nort bradys successor.
    glad to read your posts.
    good day man.
     
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    Been working on my mock and I'm a bit surprised not by much though that Konz stock is falling.  Not surprised too much because I really haven't been extremely high on him, too much of an injury guy.  Hasn't played a full season in college, don't think he will stay healthy in the pros.  

    Reason why I much rather they draft a 26 year old Blake!  Has been very productive, impressed at every offseason workout be bowl, combine ect  This guy is a mature not beat up too much interior OL with experience at OT.  He's versatility is something the Pats like.  

    So, part of my mock will include Mr. Blake the others I'm still unsure because by this point have to look at what trade partners are out there for pick 31.  One team I'm looking at is Atlanta.  They know Gonzo is probably on his last year.  They need to stepup and improve their D.  They need a CB and a pass rusher opposite Abraham, 31 is a perfect spot for getting one of those.  
     
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    I like Blake in rd 3 as a guy who can play C/G and be very solid
    Posted by rameakap



     a center guard guy would be ideal.
    but again, i still look for the guy car sees the most in.
     
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    Blake, Jones, Molk... cross your fingers and hope one is there at 95 go defense with the first 4 picks (and keep them!) and it'll put a smile on my face be nice to add a 3rd rd pick for Hoyer as well, and while we're at it a 4th (greedy) or 5th (fair) for Edelman, one we know we have Welker locked into a nice deal. So Pats can use one 3rd on a C and one can be used on a WR (specifically one who is either a tall burner or a great return guy). I like Joe Adams, not b/c I have really seen him play, I maybe watched Arkansas twice, but his youtube highlight reel is pretty good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtd2pNdsWUU can't go wrong with the SEC special teams player of the year if he is hanging around in the 75-90 range. Then again, you're talking a guy who can play slot and outside, he'd replace Branch and later Welker in the system. Have to think he might not be around unless we take him at 63. Oh and catching 79 passes from Mallett for almost 1,300 yards and 13 TD's in 22 games in '09 and '10 only makes a stronger case for him
    Posted by rameakap


    I absolutely love the Razorback WR's, currently have them rated Childs/Adams/Wright.  Have studied Childs a lot more since the combine and I love what I've seen... very good size/speed combo, very good hands and ball skills, no fear going over the middle, excellent motor/effort, can create after the catch and is a willing blocker... he also seems like a pretty intelligent/well spoken kid.  Not a pure make you miss type with elite speed/quicks like Adams, but has the enough suddenness/COD to fit in well in their scheme and is just a very good WR that can/will win for you on the outside, IMO... also love that he has a plenty of experience both working with Ryan Mallet and in a pro-style offense. 
     
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    Chase Minnifield is dropping according to some mocks Best case for me for Hoyer is the Browns pick in rd 3, whats that #68? I'd take this approach: If Barron is there at 27, or even slides to 23-26, take him, move up with pick 63 (get back a pick in the  80's) if you have to. Take Worthy or Reyes at 31 (I don't think Still, Brockers or Cox will be here) If Barron goes before 22... take whoever is there at 27 of Still, Brockers, Cox or worst case Reyes/Worthy. See if anyone notable falls to 31 (Konz, Hightower, Glenn, Jenkins being the likely ones we wouldn't let past us there) I don't think Bill will take a hybrid DE/OLB. Let's say that all the guys he'd grad right up at 31 are gone. I say trade the pick back 10-15 spaces and add future picks. prob not a 2013 #1, but def a 2013 #2. So now we have 2 picks in the 40's. Gotta take a linebacker here. Bill has to decide if he wants to play more 4-3 (Zach Brown, LaVonte David, Bobby Wagner, Mychal Kendricks - all fly all over the field) or if we are going to play more 3-4 (Ronnell Lewis, Chandler Jones, Shea McClellin). With the other pick, prob the higher one, we go secondary. If we got Barron already then it's a CB (maybe Gilmore falls this far... Hosley Minnifield, Boykin some other decent guys should be here). No Barron then a FS type (Smith, Iloka, Trumaine Robinson, Dennard, Markelle Martin). If we still have pick 63 I would take Adams there. At 64 if only one of the C's I mentioned (Blake, Jones, Molk) are left take him, if 2-3 are left then trade pick 64 for a 2nd rounder in '13 and a 6th or 7th this year and use pick 95 on the Center, trading up with the new 6th/7th pick you acquired if it looks like they will all be gone by 85. If we don't have 63 (meaning we have one in the 80's) then take Adams w/ the pick we get for Hoyer (68) and assume one of the Centers is there in the 80's. Take Ryan Broyles at 95 (luxury pick who probably spends next season on the IR, at the very least the 6 week PUP, then replaces Branch). Finally go best available in the 4th rd. Maybe a G/T like Nate Potter Mankins (knee) Light/Waters (retirement, tho decisions are prob made by draft time) and Vollmer (back) all have some questions.
    Posted by rameakap


    I'd agree, Barron @ 27, Reyes @ 31 is what I currently have on my latest mock (not yet posted).  Also agree that they should move up for Barron if they feel they need to land him in the early 20's.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Yeah Mallet def had some help making him into a top prospect with eye boggling stats Walter football just updated there mocks and gives the Pats Child's in rd 3 I would only prefer him to Adams if we get a CB who will return kicks
    Posted by rameakap


    Adams is def a huge weapon in the PR game, but don't believe he's done much as a KR.  Jayron Hosley, who I love as a big play/ball hawk CB in Rd 2, is a kid that can also impact in the PR game.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : YOu live in SEA?  What's your take on the Gallery pick?  RG?  Will donte coach him up? As for RB. don't rule it out.  Did you think we were going to burn a 2nd and 3rd last year on the position?  I wouldn't count out receiver either.
    Posted by Faucetman


    did not really watch much of the seahawks this year (i don't like carroll). and i did not really pay attention to gallery when i did. i did notice that their run plays opened up wider lanes for lynch this year than they did last. i believe gallery was a factor. i think he's average on pass protect.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : I'd agree, Barron @ 27, Reyes @ 31 is what I currently have on my latest mock (not yet posted).  Also agree that they should move up for Barron if they feel they need to land him in the early 20's. Posted by mbeaulieu07
    Barron and Reyes round 1 is a mock I have had in the recent weeks. I see curry possibly cracking round 1, and Reyes might be had round 2 with our Oakland pick or a slight trade up. I don't think curry lasts until our Oakland pick after his recent work and past production. What does BB think of curry? I think BB grabs a olb/ de with 1 of our first 4 picks. My preference is curry or branch as guys that can do both, and if he is looking for more of a pure olb, then my vote is for Ronnell Lewis or mcllelin. Here is what I would like to see happen... 1a Barron 1b curry 2a Reyes 2b Hosley 3 Adams is my preference, or Blake 2nd ( depends on what they do with guys like Edelman, branch, Ocho, etc)
     
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    27 DT/DE Kendall Reyes 6'4" 300lbs  
    31 Traded Atlanta 2013 1st Rnd and 2012 # 55 and 181
    48 Traded to Cinci for 53 and 116  
    53 DE/OLB  Vinny Curry 6'3" 263lbs  
    55 FS/CB Leonard Johnson 5'10" 196lbs  
    63 RB Chris Polk 5'11" 215lbs  
    94 WR Marvin Jones 6'2" 200lbs  
    116 C/OG Phillip Blake 6'2" 311lbs  
    126 DT/DE Derek Wolfe 6'5" 298lbs  
    181 DE/OLB  Jacquies Smith 6'3" 255lbs  
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! :  a center guard guy would be ideal. but again, i still look for the guy car sees the most in.
    Posted by bredbru


    The ONLY center draft prospect that is ready to play NOW is Konz.  With the time clock ticking on TB's remaining productive years the old method of "coaching-up" a center prospect that could be ready in 2-3 years no longer applies.  We need an upgrade now and for the next 10 years...An upgrade to promote a better running game now  and better TB protection as well.  What good is a wr if TB doesn't have the time to execute the long pass  or to check primary/secondary receivers etc. What happens if Connelly is injured and we need immediate help at the center position? Will Jones be as ready as Konz?

    I realize that my opinions are not popular and that BB will, in the end, find a way to astonish us once again but IMO the safest pick at #27 is the BPA!
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : The ONLY center draft prospect that is ready to play NOW is Konz.  With the time clock ticking on TB's remaining productive years the old method of "coaching-up" a center prospect that could be ready in 2-3 years no longer applies.  We need an upgrade now and for the next 10 years...An upgrade to promote a better running game now  and better TB protection as well.  What good is a wr if TB doesn't have the time to execute the long pass  or to check primary/secondary receivers etc. What happens if Connelly is injured and we need immediate help at the center position? Will Jones be as ready as Konz? I realize that my opinions are not popular and that BB will, in the end, find a way to astonish us once again but IMO the safest pick at #27 is the BPA!
    Posted by moskk

    1) How do you know? Simply because he's expected to be the 1st Center taken?

    2) Why doesn't it? They have a center signed who played and started successfully on a team that almost won the superbowl with him at center last season.

    3) Promote? So you are suggesting getting Konz will all of a sudden persuade BB to suddenly take the ball out of his best players hands more often?

    4) TB isn't even very good at throwing the long pass but even with him being OK at it how many games can you think of where he doesn't have time to throw down field? You can probably count them on one hand.

    5) The Pats played 4 different centers due to injury last year, all seemingly with a good amount of success.

    6) Sort of. First it has to be the BPA for the Patriots system. Not the best player available period. They team build, not collect talent. Secondly there may be 5 BPA's at #27. There could be any number of players with an identical grade available to them. They could take the player who fits thier highest need or simply try and trade down a few spots and take which player is left of the grouping.

    The offense will be fine no matter what they do in the draft. Stand pat, draft a C, or RB, or WR, etc. Doesn't matter.

    They need to stay healthy on defense and add more depth or potential starting upgrades.

    Can't always stay on the field:
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    Ihedigbo
    Chung
    Barret
    Dowling
    Mayo
    Spikes
    Fletcher
    Brace
    Pryor
    Tarpinian
     
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    In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18!": Barron and Reyes round 1 is a mock I have had in the recent weeks. I see curry possibly cracking round 1, and Reyes might be had round 2 with our Oakland pick or a slight trade up. I don't think curry lasts until our Oakland pick after his recent work and past production. What does BB think of curry? I think BB grabs a olb/ de with 1 of our first 4 picks. My preference is curry or branch as guys that can do both, and if he is looking for more of a pure olb, then my vote is for Ronnell Lewis or mcllelin. Here is what I would like to see happen... 1a Barron 1b curry 2a Reyes 2b Hosley 3 Adams is my preference, or Blake 2nd ( depends on what they do with guys like Edelman, branch, Ocho, etc)
    Posted by PatsLifer


    give me 2 wr, 1 slot and 1 big outside receiver
     
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    27 DT/DE Kendall Reyes 6'4" 300lbs   31 Traded Atlanta 2013 1st Rnd and 2012 # 55 and 181 48 Traded to Cinci for 53 and 116   53 DE/OLB  Vinny Curry 6'3" 263lbs   55 FS/CB Leonard Johnson 5'10" 196lbs   63 RB Chris Polk 5'11" 215lbs   94 WR Marvin Jones 6'2" 200lbs   116 C/OG Phillip Blake 6'2" 311lbs   126 DT/DE Derek Wolfe 6'5" 298lbs   181 DE/OLB  Jacquies Smith 6'3" 255lbs  
    Posted by Pats7393



    not bad.
    how much will we get out of smith?
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : The ONLY center draft prospect that is ready to play NOW is Konz.  With the time clock ticking on TB's remaining productive years the old method of "coaching-up" a center prospect that could be ready in 2-3 years no longer applies.  We need an upgrade now and for the next 10 years...An upgrade to promote a better running game now  and better TB protection as well.  What good is a wr if TB doesn't have the time to execute the long pass  or to check primary/secondary receivers etc. What happens if Connelly is injured and we need immediate help at the center position? Will Jones be as ready as Konz? I realize that my opinions are not popular and that BB will, in the end, find a way to astonish us once again but IMO the safest pick at #27 is the BPA!
    Posted by moskk

    moskk i agree and you make some good points.
    but in the end, i'd give scar the choice (if someone is as good or better in his eyes and can play longterm here , esp at c or g, then id be ok waiting a year. 

     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : 1) How do you know? Simply because he's expected to be the 1st Center taken? 2) Why doesn't it? They have a center signed who played and started successfully on a team that almost won the superbowl with him at center last season. 3) Promote? So you are suggesting getting Konz will all of a sudden persuade BB to suddenly take the ball out of his best players hands more often? 4) TB isn't even very good at throwing the long pass but even with him being OK at it how many games can you think of where he doesn't have time to throw down field? You can probably count them on one hand. 5) The Pats played 4 different centers due to injury last year, all seemingly with a good amount of success. 6) Sort of. First it has to be the BPA for the Patriots system. Not the best player available period. They team build, not collect talent. Secondly there may be 5 BPA's at #27. There could be any number of players with an identical grade available to them. They could take the player who fits thier highest need or simply try and trade down a few spots and take which player is left of the grouping. The offense will be fine no matter what they do in the draft. Stand pat, draft a C, or RB, or WR, etc. Doesn't matter. They need to stay healthy on defense and add more depth or potential starting upgrades. Can't always stay on the field: ----------------------------- Ihedigbo Chung Barret Dowling Mayo Spikes Fletcher Brace Pryor Tarpinian
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    Most of your observations, if turned around, actually support taking Konz at #27.By way of example, virtually ALL of the D players are projections for defensive positions and all have significant question marks. Konz, on the other hand, is a center....the top rated center...and is NOT a projection.

    When the Pats have a game-changer type player, as Konz has the potential to be, it's time to CHANGE the Pats system and not keep the status quo....which is itself a brain child of of the players then on board. BB always has featured a strategy of concealing our vulnerabilities and exploiting our strengths.  While we have been a pass dominated offense in the past it's only because we lacked a sound complementary running game.

    As for TB usually having plenty of time to throw downfield, that occurs against weak defenses but when we discuss SB teams (like the Giants) we need the ability to withstand a stout defensive front 7 and counter with  a sound  running game that keeps defenses guessing and honest....

    When the BPA is rated as a "blue-chip" prospect we need to stop REACHING for short term needs and start accumulating all pro prospects for the future! Konz should remain in the discussion at #27.....
     
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    This is honestly the worst time to be a draftnik. There is nothing going on right now....

    Does anyone have a list of who the Pats brought in for private workouts?

    Also, does anyone have a list of colleges that BB is connected to? I know a couple but it'd be nice to have a list since he always takes a player from his coaching tree
     
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    I'm getting close to setting my top 10 picks. It seems like everything is coming together at this point given FA so this is what I have (* denotes confidence in pick):

    #1 Colts - Andrew Luck*
    #2 Was - RGIII*
    #3 Viks - Matt Kalil*
    #4 Clev - Morris Claiborne
    #5 TB - Trent Richardson
    #6 Stl - Justin Blackmon
    #7 Jax - Riley Reiff
    #8 Mia - Ryan Tannehill*
    #9 Car - Dontari Poe
    #10 Buf - Michael Floyd

    As for us I see

    #27 - Still/Brocker (I'm sure one will fall I'm just not sure which one) DT/DE
    #31 - Traded for a 3rd this year and a 1st next year
    #48 - Vinny Curry OLB/DE
    #63 - Trumaine Johnson CB/FS
    3rd received from trading #31 - Brain Quick WR
    #94 - traded for a 6th and a 2nd next year
    4th - traded for a 5th and 6th
    5th - Chris Rainey RB/PR/KR
    6th - Oliver Vernon DE/OLB (think Chris Avril type)
    6th - David Molk C

    I can also see some players getting traded for picks. The players I'm thinking might get traded are: Hoyer to Clev or Tenn, Arrington to Dal, Brace to who ever would take him. 
     
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    In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18!": Barron and Reyes round 1 is a mock I have had in the recent weeks. I see curry possibly cracking round 1, and Reyes might be had round 2 with our Oakland pick or a slight trade up. I don't think curry lasts until our Oakland pick after his recent work and past production. What does BB think of curry? I think BB grabs a olb/ de with 1 of our first 4 picks. My preference is curry or branch as guys that can do both, and if he is looking for more of a pure olb, then my vote is for Ronnell Lewis or mcllelin. Here is what I would like to see happen... 1a Barron 1b curry 2a Reyes 2b Hosley 3 Adams is my preference, or Blake 2nd ( depends on what they do with guys like Edelman, branch, Ocho, etc)
    Posted by PatsLifer


    Barron and Reyes round 1 is a mock I have had in the recent weeks. I see curry possibly cracking round 1, and Reyes might be had round 2 with our Oakland pick or a slight trade up. I don't think curry lasts until our Oakland pick after his recent work and past production. What does BB think of curry? I like Curry, I just don’t see them touching a conversion type in Rd 1 (Rd 2, definitely).  The only potential OLB’s that I could see them touching in Rd 1 are Upshaw, because he already plays the position, and Hightower, because he plays out of a two point stance already and has a good amount of experience rushing the passer off the edge, albeit out of a 3 point stance.

    I think BB grabs a olb/ de with 1 of our first 4 picks. My preference is curry or branch as guys that can do both, and if he is looking for more of a pure olb, then my vote is for Ronnell Lewis or mcllelin.
    I could see that, yes.  I like McClellin, also have Cam Johnson as a very good option for them on Day 2 as he has a good amount of experience playing on his feet, has scheme versatility having played in both a 34 and 43 at Virginia.

    Here is what I would like to see happen...
    1a Barron
    1b curry
    2a Reyes
    2b Hosley
    3 Adams is my preference, or Blake 2nd ( depends on what they do with guys like Edelman, branch, Ocho, etc)
    Would be any awesome haul (I currently have Hosley as my 2B as well, pure ballhawk/playmaker/pr ability)… I like Childs more than Adams right now, but would be very happy with Adams.
     
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    You think if the Pats draft a Wideout this year, you think he will see the field? How many guys did they just sign? Just look after the Draft, and bring one in. 6 picks have to be smart.
    Posted by bobbysu


    It's always possible for a rookie WR to see the field, yes.

    Deep draft at the position, they should definitely be able to find some value from day 2 (Marvin Jones, Greg Childs, Rueben Randle, Chris Givens & Joe Adams etc.) and/or 3 (Devon Wylie, Danny Coale, Marvin McNutt, Jarius Wright & Ryan Broyles etc.)
     
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    Probably if you were in the Draft room we would have a chance. Not with the Scouts now, just dont have faith in them, and WR position. Mean that as a compliment.
    Posted by bobbysu


    Thanks, but they've prob forgot more than I'll ever know, ha.

    I think the goods news is, McD hit on a couple of talent WR's during his time in Denver (Decker/Thomas), so I'm hoping that NE can benefit from that eye for talent this go around.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Thanks, but they've prob forgot more than I'll ever know, ha. I think the goods news is, McD hit on a couple of talent WR's during his time in Denver (Decker/Thomas), so I'm hoping that NE can benefit from that eye for talent this go around.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Despite excellent handicapping on this board, with the exception of Lloyd, who among us predicted our 5  other FA signings (not to include our own players)? Once again, talent recognition is in the eye of the beholder and BB (plus his staff) operate on another level.  If the draft has a surprise it will be that one among us gets to pick two of the six possible Pats moves.

    As for trading #31 down for a #1 next year and whether we also get a 2nd or 3rd round 2012 pick will be determined by who comes calling for #31 and whether next year's #1 draft pick is likely to be in the 1st/2nd half of round one.  It also depends upon who unexpectedly falls to us at #31 as to whether we keep the pick or trade out and the ultimate price tag for trading out.

    I was surprised more by the Tebow trade to the JETS than by the price tag for Tebow's services. Also shocking was the N.O. punishment for their involvement in 'bounties" for injured opponents....There is no doubt that the Commissioner has made a profound statement for future organizational conduct....(player involvement and their punishment to follow more thorough review)....
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Love it as long as he's healthy. Mankins had knee issues all year and played through it and even had ACL surgery this off season. Gallery can play just about anywhere on the line and has been good. People's perceptions of him are worse because he was picked so high and then later kicked inside to play guard. He played at Iowa, they produced good OL's consistently. He's been a consistent starter at the NFL level. He'll be in Scars hands. He's extremely versatile. You have back issues with Vollmer, Concussions with Solder, Waters potential retirement and his own knee issue he dealt with last season just like Mankins. They signed Fells but no reason Gallery can't play as the extra Tackle in the TE spot if it was needed either. No downside.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    Solder's issues scare me more than anything. You get popped on almost every play as an OL. If he turns into another Mike Wright....
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Despite excellent handicapping on this board, with the exception of Lloyd, who among us predicted our 5  other FA signings (not to include our own players)? Once again, talent recognition is in the eye of the beholder and BB (plus his staff) operate on another level.  If the draft has a surprise it will be that one among us gets to pick two of the six possible Pats moves. As for trading #31 down for a #1 next year and whether we also get a 2nd or 3rd round 2012 pick will be determined by who comes calling for #31 and whether next year's #1 draft pick is likely to be in the 1st/2nd half of round one.  It also depends upon who unexpectedly falls to us at #31 as to whether we keep the pick or trade out and the ultimate price tag for trading out. I was surprised more by the Tebow trade to the JETS than by the price tag for Tebow's services. Also shocking was the N.O. punishment for their involvement in 'bounties" for injured opponents....There is no doubt that the Commissioner has made a profound statement for future organizational conduct....(player involvement and their punishment to follow more thorough review)....
    Posted by moskk


    Not sure if this was for me or not as I hadn't mentioned trading back recently, but as for handicapping FA, I'd never claim to know specifically who they'd target, I would just research/project names that I think would fit in well (based on history and assumed preferences)... same with trying to predict the draft.
     
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