***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED!

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    "Cam Johnson continues to watch his draft stock move north. Sources at the workout said the dominant pass rusher looked good in position drills. That would be a postseason trifecta for Johnson, who looked good at the Senior Bowl, turned in a solid combine workout and performed well during pro day."

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/03/01/pro.days/index.html#ixzz1pX5zsqNO
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Faucet what I am saying is he is the current starting FS. Not that he's some super FS starter. I wrote because you mention his name as someone to cut to clear cap to get a guy at another position, not safety. Like when you mention wimbley or something. I am not arguing against having an upgrade but to cut your current starting FS when you don't have a replacement to make room for another position just never made sense to me. I mean they have no idea "if" they can land an upgrade. You also have to keep in mind regardless of his past resume the Pats cut Meriweather and Sanders because they felt he was better than both of them or at a minimum just as good but less money. You do not do it otherwise. You certainly are not keeping a worse player "as the starter" to save a few bucks. Cutting any of the safeties once you "know" you have an upgrade is fine but before? It wouldn't matter if they had signed Reggie Nelson. They would not know exactly what they had until they dealt with him in their system before they would start cutting guys. Just take Ocho and Branch as an example. What if the Pats had signed Ocho and said ha we don't need Branch now and cut him. Then even though Ocho was great elsewhere he stunk in their system. Whoops! You typically do not operate that way. Risky. Now i could see them cutting him at some point simply because he can't stay on the field. He's the safety version of Ras-I it seems.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]
    precisely, the Pats cut Meriweather and Sanders, both of whom were starters.  I don't think it was because they felt Barrett was better.  BB lost confidence in them.  You can cut someone when it is clear they aren't doing the job.  Then you find someone else you think can do the job better.  We see this done all the time in all sports. 

    Minor point not worth arguing really.  I'd almost rather see Ihedigbo back than Barrett starting another game for us.
     
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    One of my handful of favorite WR's

    "Virginia Tech has finished their pro day, and it was receiver Danny Coale that turned heads.

    The steady pass catcher bettered his time of 4.42 seconds from the combine, clocking as fast as 4.37 seconds today. His vertical jump of 37 inches was a two-inch improvement from Indianapolis, while Coale bettered his broad jump mark by 8.5 inches, leaping 10-3 1/2. One of the most underappreciated receivers in the draft, Coale interviewed well at the combine and impressed NFL decision makers with his maturity. He entered the season with late-round grades, but now has the possibility to break into the third round."



    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/03/01/pro.days/index.html#ixzz1pX6XIGpR

    I think he gets limited love because he's white.... That, and it's such a deep WR class.
     
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    [QUOTE]One of my handful of favorite WR's "Virginia Tech has finished their pro day, and it was receiver Danny Coale that turned heads. The steady pass catcher bettered his time of 4.42 seconds from the combine, clocking as fast as 4.37 seconds today. His vertical jump of 37 inches was a two-inch improvement from Indianapolis, while Coale bettered his broad jump mark by 8.5 inches, leaping 10-3 1/2. One of the most underappreciated receivers in the draft, Coale interviewed well at the combine and impressed NFL decision makers with his maturity. He entered the season with late-round grades, but now has the possibility to break into the third round." Read more:  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/03/01/pro.days/index.html#ixzz1pX6XIGpR I think he gets limited love because he's white.... That, and it's such a deep WR class.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]

    i count him as one of the many possible pat slot receivers who may succeed welker.
     
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    BJGE replacement if he doesn't resign...

    A crazy story that needs a lot of digging into to see where his head is at but a flyer as a high priority UDFA would certainly be worth it for the former #1 HS RB recruit.

    "Bryce Brown, the one-time highly recruited running back who has played for two different schools since 2009, but totaled just 104 combined carries in both seasons, gave scouts a taste of why there were such great expectations around him. Brown ran 40 times which ranged between 4.37 and 4.45 seconds after tipping the scales at 223 pounds. He touched 34 inches on the vertical jump and completed 22 reps on the bench.

    Brown started his career at Tennessee in 2009, where he rushed for 460 yards and three touchdowns on 101 carries as a freshman. He transferred to Kansas State to reunite with his brother, linebacker Arthur Brown, a top prospect for the 2013 NFL Draft. Three games and three carries into his Kansas State career Brown left the program. Unlikely to be selected at any point in next month's draft, Brown is sure to get an invitation to camp this summer based on his awesome natural talent."



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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : i count him as one of the many possible pat slot receivers who may succeed welker.
    Posted by bredbru[/QUOTE]

    Why do you assume he's a slot receiver?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : precisely, the Pats cut Meriweather and Sanders, both of whom were starters.  I don't think it was because they felt Barrett was better.  BB lost confidence in them.  You can cut someone when it is clear they aren't doing the job.  Then you find someone else you think can do the job better.  We see this done all the time in all sports.  Minor point not worth arguing really.  I'd almost rather see Ihedigbo back than Barrett starting another game for us.
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]

    yes LONG "after" Free agency and the draft and into training camp. After they knew what they had in Barret first. End of August beginning of Sept. Not March.
     
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    This guy could possibly be something used the right way. From the context it sounds like maybe he was used as a 3-4 DE. He's a bit undersized for that.

    "Defensive lineman Ernest Owusu stole the show. Measuring 6-4 and 277 pounds, Owusu completed 39 reps on the bench, posted a 30.5-inch vertical jump and ran 40 times between 4.72 and 4.78 seconds. Those times are likely to be quickened by scouts due to the slick surface the players ran on. The workout today will force scouts to reevaluate Owusu, who was not a good fit in Cal's 3-4 defense the past two seasons."

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/03/01/pro.days/index.html#ixzz1pXCBhJdC
     
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    Another safety missed form the combine?

    "Safety DJ Campbell also looked outstanding. Campbell posted a vertical jump of 38 inches, broad jump of 10-5 and ran in the low 4.5-second range in the 40, despite straining a hamstring muscle. This is in contrast to Cal's other safety, Sean Cattouse, who attended the combine earlier this month. Cattouse bettered his 40 time of 4.76 seconds from Indianapolis, running 4.68 seconds today. Many believe Campbell is the better NFL prospect than Cattouse, despite receiving fewer headlines and less praise from NFL scouts."

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/03/01/pro.days/index.html#ixzz1pXELPqMF
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Why do you assume he's a slot receiver?
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]

    speed and change of direction. very quick.
    one of several reads of draft sites.
     
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    Vinny Curry finally showing the athleticism to match two years as one of the nations top pass rushers.

    "Marhall's Vinny Curry continued the momentum of the morning's brilliant workout with a first-class practice session. Curry ran through a battery of linebacker and defensive line drills for almost 45 minutes, a session in which one scout on hand referred to as "masterful." Looking athletic and explosive, coaches were impressed with the mental toughness and tenacity Curry showed throughout the workout. During linebacker drills, engineered by the Arizona Cardinals, Curry flowed well around the field, quickly changing direction without losing balance. The New Orleans Saints and Detroit Lions handled the defensive line drills and again, Curry was up to the task in every test. There was a feeling from teams departing the workout that Curry is now back in the conversation as a potential pick in the bottom half of round one."

    "In the 40, Curry has run several times under 4.7 seconds, with a fast time of 4.65 seconds. His best time at the combine was 4.87 seconds. Curry also completed 28 reps on the bench press and posted a vertical jump of 35.5 inches, the latter a 3.5-inch improvement from the combine."

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/03/01/pro.days/index.html#ixzz1pXH2v856


     
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    [QUOTE]Vinny Curry finally showing the athleticism to match two years as one of the nations top pass rushers. "...
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]

    what's your pov on perry?
     
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    I still like Curry as the #31, 48 pick.  Curry, Branch, and Ingram seem like the conversions that might fit the Pats system best. Rumor is that Curry only wants to be a 43 DE so might have to keep an eye if he makes more comments like that
     
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    So know it seems like the draft is changing by the day as FA signing are filtering in

    With Fells being signed today TE has dropped to an extremely low priority. With Lloyd and Welker currently on the roster Hern does not appear to be moving to a WR spot any time soon except in 2 TE empty backfield sets, in which case Fells now becomes the 2nd blocking TE

    With the addition of Lloyd to a very reasonable contract dbling up at the WR spot seems unlikely at this point

    With Gregory in the FS spot, even though S is still a need it isn't a need to find an immediate starter

    With Connolly back it's assumed they don't need to aim high for a C

    The only positions still left with immediate starters currently are:

    RE (Fanene is the LE in 34, maybe in the 43, or a DT in the 43)
    Weak Side OLB
    RCB (depending on how they see McCourty and Ras will determine if this is a perceived need or not)

    The positions where depth is needed:

    S (behind Chung at SS, and depending how they view McCourty and Moore FS)
    CB (depending on how they view McCourty and Moore might or might not be a concern)
    34OLB/43DE
    C/G
    WR

    The positions where it would be nice to add a couple of bodies:

    RB
    G/T


    Short of that we seem pretty well off.

    Given that I don't see how at least 1 of those first 4 picks isn't traded back, traded into 13', or traded for a player. I also see them targeting 2 front 7 players and a WR with those first 4 picks. Past that your guess is as good as mine but I can see them adding some depth at the OL position and to get a return specialist for the STs
     
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    [QUOTE]Good stuff, Low.  Hardin and Irvin both look like intriguing guys.  I really like Irvin's potential as an OLB in our 3-4.  Might have to take him in the 2nd round.  He won't last much past that. 
    Posted by WazzuWheatfarmer[/QUOTE]

    Completely agree. I have harped on Irvin before but have had most dismiss him as being too small to be a full time player. The guy is 6-3, 245 and has had his stock knocked down most of the year because his coach decided to play him as a 3-4 DE for all this year. Guess what? Even Demarcus Ware would struggle as a run stuffer and pass rusher if lined up directly across a 315 pound Guard or Tackle. Just watching Irvin play, you can tell he easily has the most pass rush upside of ANY player in this draft. The combine just validated that observation. 

     
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    [QUOTE]"Cam Johnson continues to watch his draft stock move north. Sources at the workout said the dominant pass rusher looked good in position drills. That would be a postseason trifecta for Johnson, who looked good at the Senior Bowl, turned in a solid combine workout and performed well during pro day." Read more:  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/03/01/pro.days/index.html#ixzz1pX5zsqNO
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]

    I think BB will be very, very interested in Johnson due to his versatility and pedigree... not sure there's another OLB prospect in this class that makes more sense (outside of Upshaw).  Definite Day 2 kid, w/Rd 2 upside.
     
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    [QUOTE]One of my handful of favorite WR's "Virginia Tech has finished their pro day, and it was receiver Danny Coale that turned heads. The steady pass catcher bettered his time of 4.42 seconds from the combine, clocking as fast as 4.37 seconds today. His vertical jump of 37 inches was a two-inch improvement from Indianapolis, while Coale bettered his broad jump mark by 8.5 inches, leaping 10-3 1/2. One of the most underappreciated receivers in the draft, Coale interviewed well at the combine and impressed NFL decision makers with his maturity. He entered the season with late-round grades, but now has the possibility to break into the third round." Read more:  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/03/01/pro.days/index.html#ixzz1pX6XIGpR I think he gets limited love because he's white.... That, and it's such a deep WR class.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]

    Agreed, he's may favorite offensive late round (5-7) sleeper, very underrated, IMO.
     
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    This might sink Irvin's boat with NE. With his past then doing something this stupid a month before the draft?

    "West Virginia OLB Bruce Irvin was arrested Saturday for destruction of property, the day after the school's Pro Day.
    Irvin reportedly destroyed a sign at a Jimmy John's restaurant in Morgantown. The former junior college transfer already had a troubled past by being ruled academically ineligible out of high school followed by a stint in juvenile jail. Irvin is a pass rush specialist with elite athleticism, but shies away from contact on the edge. This news may solidify Irvin as a third-day pick
     
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    with BB loading up on FA Offensive talent....
    1. Lloyd
    2. Stallworth
    3. Fells
    4. Gallery

    Does this mean we can expect him to focus more on defense in the draft? He's also added 1 vet to each level of the defense. Does all the FA activity change anyone's opinion of what BB does come draft day?
     
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    [QUOTE]with BB loading up on FA Offensive talent.... 1. Lloyd 2. Stallworth 3. Fells 4. Gallery Does this mean we can expect him to focus more on defense in the draft? He's also added 1 vet to each level of the defense. Does all the FA activity change anyone's opinion of what BB does come draft day?
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]

    Me personally it doesn't drastically alter my view of how they'll approach the draft.  I wasn't of the belief that they'd target a WR in Rd 1 prior to FA and that hasn't changed, though I do think Rd 3-4 is the more likely landing spot for a WR now. I still view DB/LB/DL/OL as in play in Rd 1.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Why do you assume he's a slot receiver?
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]

    While I think he Coale could play some slot, I think he has the size, speed, quicks and skill set to win on the outside at the NFL level.
     
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    I'm blowing up every single mock I had done, this draft will be about value vs best player available.  With everyone they have signed there's not major gap except for OLB and DE but I'm sure by time draft comes around they would had signed either anderson or carter or both.

    This one will be about going into the draft with no need (major) to pick best available or if any player is not worth that pick, trade move down pickup for 2013
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : While I think he Coale could play some slot, I think he has the size, speed, quicks and skill set to win on the outside at the NFL level.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    i want one of the huge receivers added in the 2nd as our outside receiver.
    you cant teach that size, speed, hands, body control, and some have good rout running already.

    yes, my draft approach is changed.

    i think the biggest weakness on offense i think now is center. if we give brady more time, he makes use of the weapons. this makes getting the best center in the draft top priority. so i make konz #1 priority (or if scar likes someone as well or more than konz, go there).

    a potential feature back in udfa

    get 1 of still, brockers, reyes (or wolfe backup) in the other round 1 pick

    round 2 safety or cb (whichever bb needs more- only he knows his plans for
    devin m) or guy who plays both.

    round 2 other pick, one of the huge productive wrs

    slot wr in 3 or 4

    defense in the other pick de/olb
     
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    [QUOTE]I'm blowing up every single mock I had done, this draft will be about value vs best player available.  With everyone they have signed there's not major gap except for OLB and DE but I'm sure by time draft comes around they would had signed either anderson or carter or both. This one will be about going into the draft with no need (major) to pick best available or if any player is not worth that pick, trade move down pickup for 2013
    Posted by Pats7393[/QUOTE]

    im going the opposite direction. we have a lot of personnel.
    our needs are more narrow. so i am even more focused on our positions of need (and taking advantage of the plethora of very good receivers).
    ie see my last post.
     
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    Couldn't agree more Pats 7393.  They have picked up a free agent at every position of need which means when it comes to the draft they can go BPA and move their picks around to get the best value.  This was something they were unable to do last year due to the structure of free agency and the draft.  They basically go into the draft still with some areas to improve upon, but nothing that requires a high draft pick.  I think another reason that BB acquired this much depth is because of the lack of late draft picks.
     

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