***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED!

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    I don't know how a defense can succeed if it has a bunch of versatile players who can play both 3-4 and 4-3, but noone really killing it in either scheme. I think at some point you have to pick your poison and draft accordingly. Lots of mention here about Manti (myself included) and Upshaw. 2 big LBs, perhaps best suited (at least Upshaw) to play 3-4 OLB.  Lots of speed at LB in this draft as well. Some nice 4-3 OLB types like Zach Brown which I haven't seen too many folks mention, who can get after the QB quite well.  As I am reading through these posts, I see a big mix of talent. Guys that would be nice 4-3 ends, or 3-4 OLB's, or 4-3 DTs.  Trying to get inside the mind of BB for a bit. But does he draw a line in the sand in terms of scheme, or is he simply trying to pick the "most versatile" player that can play both schemes equally as well? If this is the case, I think it is a losing proposition. I think you have a higher success rate going after a killer specialist in 1 scheme (4-3 DE) that is known for rushing the passer, rather than going for a kid who played 4-3 DE in college and was so/so (Cunninngham) and trying to convert him to a so-so 3-4 OLB.  Sure he can play both, but he doesn't play both that well. I see a lot of this on the current roster. Counter to this would be a guy like Carter. He's a natural 4-3 DE, and it shows. THoughts?
    Posted by PatsLifer



    having some guys who are versatile i think may be an advantaege, but not enough playmakers and you arent going to the super bowl. so you hav a point. draftign only for versatility may hurt you in the end.
     
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    Did anyone see McNutt this weekend? Simply impressive catches, esp the one behind the back 1 handed

    Rame - Crick isn't going to make it to any of our 2nd round picks. Thompson has the better shot of making to the mid-late 2nd then Crick so you might want to flip them
     
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    Yes you are so correct about Barron. I love the thought of the Mathis pick up. In my opinion, Barron should our 2nd pick of round #1. He is a need for the Pats, I can NOT see him there when we pick in the 2nd round.  I have started early but so far this is what I have for our 2012 draft.

    1.   Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama  Or  Vinny Curry, DE/OLB, Marshall. Note: I would love Cortney Upshaw from Alabama but he most likely will not be there when we pick.

     1A. Mark Barron, S, Alabama

    2A. Dwight Jones, WR, North Carolina  or WR, Oklahoma or Nick Toon, WR, Wisconsin

    2.  Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina or Cliff Harris, CB, Oregon

           3rd round. Frank Alexander, DE/OLB, Oklahoma  or Andre Branch, DE/OLB, Clemson

    4th The best Guard or Tackle available

    KG




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    Good comments, guys. I do think having his staff pilfered puts the organization back and if the bench strength isn't there, Bill will do it himself and overextend. This is a draft thread so I'll get back to it. Mark Barron would look great in a Pat's uniform and fill a big need. He seems to do a better job in coverage than Chung and would be a great compliment. Would love to see a utilization of picks to get Justin Blackmon...the guy is Dez Bryant with a work ethic. I think we need some LB's drafted as well as in F/A. Does anyone think we would be better off simply going 4-3...go get Robert Mathis and draft someone. Need a pass rushing DL (for the last 4 years), need LB, safety, and WR. In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** :
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : Well this year is a slightly weaker draft then last yera in terms of depth of talent but there are a couple of areas that seem to have depth imo. Depth areas: WR - Atleast 2 top 10 picks 2 more in the 1st and at least 5 more players that can go in the 2nd to really early 3rd. 9 players who can go in the first 2 rounds and all of whom can be #1 or #2 starters. Very good depth in here CB - Maybe 4-5 CB's in the top 25 and another 9 who could go before the end of the 2nd. It could be one of the richest CB drafts in the last 5 years. This will be the year BB doesn't take a CB because of how deep it is. ILB - Though there are maybe 5-6 players who might go in the first 2 rounds that's a lot considering the position. You typically don't see that many go in the first 2 rounds and maybe even 4 in the 1st. Good year to get some talent in ILB The pool is shallow: RB - I've never seen a group of RB's that screams no 1st round pick. Last year was close but Murray and Ingram looked like 1st rounds this year I'm not high on anyone TE - Any team that needs a TE better grab Allen early because that's about it S - You have McDonald and Lester, other then that there are a couple of Sanders type of players but no one I would say has a higher ceiling then a solid starter NT - If you are a 34 team in need of a NT well maybe next year. Ta'amu is the best of the bunch then the talent falls off drastically DE - You have a couple of good talents up top then a sprinkling of talent in the 2nd and 3rd but for the most part you are looking at a bunch of high talent players who are inconsistent, not playing up to ability, or have issues DT - More talent then the NT's or DE's but no clear cut top 15 talent in the bunch. There's some talent in the late 1st early 2nd but compared to last year this is the shallow end of the talent pool IMO the area's we need the most help are: C, WR, CB, S, DE, DT, OLB. Of those positions DE, DT, WR, OLB, C seemed pretty deep last year and we didn't really take anyone. I'm guessing BB will skip out on WR and CB this year based on the results of his previous draft attempts and the amount of depth in those positions. BB seems to like to be smarter then all the other coaches taking guys with high talent who were injured or ones he thinks he can coach up based on the coaches the picks used to play for. So, again this year I expect for BB to take 1-2 players who fell do to injury or minor off field issues (Jenkins and Broyles if he does go the CB and WR route imo) and I aspect to see him move down and end up with another 1st and 2nd next year. A 1st this year, 3 3rds (even though his 3rd rounds picks have stunk recently) and get a couple extra late round picks.
    Posted by PatsEng


    PE - I saw a guy Donovan Varner of Duke vs Virginia yesterday and he looked quite impressive.  Duke lost, but this WR had over 100 yards receiving and announcers said he is No 1 all time Duke receiver.  He was covered at times by CB Minnefield of UVA who is highly regarded, yet seemed to get separation fairly easily on Minnefield and others.  Do you have any knowledge of this player and thoughts on possible Pats drafting Donovan?
     
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    So after last night amazing game I've come to realize that I need to revise my needs list.

    On D:

    FS, CB, OLB, DE/DT (We are going to keep either Carter or Anderson but I doubt both next year)

    On O:

    WR (either an outside the numbers burner or a large possession WR), C



    Oh cr@p those are the same needs as before. Well I guess I just wanted to bump this and say how great it was to see the Pats play so well. Really gives them something to build off of. Be aggressive and even a secondary full of UDFA's can play great lol
     
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    Did anyone see McNutt this weekend? Simply impressive catches, esp the one behind the back 1 handed Rame - Crick isn't going to make it to any of our 2nd round picks. Thompson has the better shot of making to the mid-late 2nd then Crick so you might want to flip them
    Posted by PatsEng


    Really?

    I have yet to see a mock draft or scouting website where Thompson falls out of round 1, he gets top 3 grades at his position everywhere I look. While Crick has fallen out of round 1 in the eyes of many and will need a clean bill of health and possibly even a great combine performance to get back into it.

    Of course I wouldn't mind seeing Bill trade a future number 1 for Crick if he is lingering in that 38-46 range.

    I'm not saying I know more about the players than you... but it would seem a healthy player known to be a very strong and atheltic 305 lbs would be a better bet to get drafted over a guy who missed basically his entire season with a muscle injury and was having his 285lb size questioned at DT to begin with.

    While he might fit well at 3-4 DE, Belichick always seems to prefer 300+ lineman, like the Warrens and Seymour. Although Crick once healthy would be an upgrade to the roles Green/Wright filled for the past decade and they were both like 290.


     
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    I do not like Crick.  I think it is hard to evaluate players that play with superstars like Suh in college.  Crick has been good since Suh left, but nowhere near the same player.  I think playing with Raji definitely helped Brace's stock, but I'll admit I could be totally off base with that comparison.
     
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    Since Mayo, Spikes, Cunningham, Guyton and (to a lesser extent) Wilfork all seem more valuable in a 3-4 alignment I'm looking to use one of our 1st rd picks on one of those explosive DE types who is constantly in the backfield and can switch back inside to tackle when we go 4-3 and rush Carter next season.

    I keep hearing whispers that Worthy, who seems to have the most upside, also has desire/effort issues. After what we've seen from Brace, Ty Warren (post contract/injury) and Hayensworth I'd hate to risk a 1st on a boom or bust guy like that.

    It's between Thompson and Billy Winn... who is close to 300lbs now and always had the speed.
     
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    Did anyone see McNutt this weekend? Simply impressive catches, esp the one behind the back 1 handed Rame - Crick isn't going to make it to any of our 2nd round picks. Thompson has the better shot of making to the mid-late 2nd then Crick so you might want to flip them
    Posted by PatsEng


    i responded to you on another thread. i was impressed with him too. that behind the back catch was not the only spectacular catch he made on that game. to me those catches really showed his determination to make the toughest ones.

    determination is why i think he's better than dwight jones. i just wached the clemson vs unc game on my dvr. his qb threw him a long ball that he did not catch. it required reaching out but it was very catchable. he did not make it because of lack of effort on that moment.

    they have different mind sets.




     
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    So after last night amazing game I've come to realize that I need to revise my needs list. On D: FS, CB, OLB, DE/DT (We are going to keep either Carter or Anderson but I doubt both next year) On O: WR (either an outside the numbers burner or a large possession WR), C Oh cr@p those are the same needs as before. Well I guess I just wanted to bump this and say how great it was to see the Pats play so well. Really gives them something to build off of. Be aggressive and even a secondary full of UDFA's can play great lol
    Posted by PatsEng



    yes good or bad db's, give mediocre nfl qb's all day, recipe for flirtign with a loss.
    now will bb keep it up every game?

    re anderson carter.
    hes a fool if he doesnt resign both.
    first time weve had a pass rush in some time.
    and they are only really effective (or most effective) when they both play. wath the game.

    my view at the moment
    lb, #1 wr and free saftey are the top priorities. but we need difference makers. so high draft or fa.

    then center, de/dt, cb in order of importance.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : Really? I have yet to see a mock draft or scouting website where Thompson falls out of round 1, he gets top 3 grades at his position everywhere I look. While Crick has fallen out of round 1 in the eyes of many and will need a clean bill of health and possibly even a great combine performance to get back into it. Of course I wouldn't mind seeing Bill trade a future number 1 for Crick if he is lingering in that 38-46 range. I'm not saying I know more about the players than you... but it would seem a healthy player known to be a very strong and atheltic 305 lbs would be a better bet to get drafted over a guy who missed basically his entire season with a muscle injury and was having his 285lb size questioned at DT to begin with. While he might fit well at 3-4 DE, Belichick always seems to prefer 300+ lineman, like the Warrens and Seymour. Although Crick once healthy would be an upgrade to the roles Green/Wright filled for the past decade and they were both like 290.
    Posted by rameakap


    I might have been reading off an old report. But if as you asid he's a top 3 talent then there is zero chances he makes it to our 1st pick. Crick is on the line  between the 1st and 2nd. At best he's a late 1st at worst he's an early 2nd. He won't make it to Oak's pick in the 2nd though
     
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    Even BB won't I say trade up for Blackman.
    Welker, Gronk , Hernandez ,&  Blackman running around would be great.
    We also need good cover cb, a good safety & a rush lb.

     
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    With our 2nd rd pick, I really want

    Mohamed Sanu, WR

     
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    You know there are a number of good WR's that can be had on day 2/early day 3 this year. Even though Blackmon looks like a sure thing I wouldn't trade up for a WR. He's the best of the lot and will most likely go to a top 10 if not top 5.

    If you are looking at our 2nd round-4th round picks the players I'm keeping an eye on are:

    Burners -

    Ryan Broyles - Depending on his ACL injury can go anywhere from late 2nd-6th

    T.Y. Hilton - This kids got speed to burn but easily bumped at the line 3rd-4th

    Kendell Wright - Great speed, good hands and makes tough catches 3rd-5th

    My choice of the bunch is Broyles. Great talent that could be a steal in the right round if he recovers from his ACL injury

    Possession -

    Mohamed Sanu - Good route runner that has excellent field vision to find open holes 2nd - early 3rd

    Marvin McNutt - Will fight and make the tough catches. Excellent hand eye, good route runner, he can skip a gear and hit jogging to full speed in a couple of strides which makes him dangerous in man coverage. Reminds me of Ocho in his prime late 2nd-mid 3rd

    Nick Toon - He's a good all around WR with excellent blocking ability. Blocking is his best ability as he doesn't excel with anything else but is a very consistent solid player 3rd - 5th

    My choice of the bunch is McNutt

    If I had to chose between all of them I would go with McNutt. I think BB will see a lot of similar qualities he saw in Ocho back when he wanted to draft Ocho. Only this time BB will have the picks in the right spot to grab him
     
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    You know there are a number of good WR's that can be had on day 2/early day 3 this year. Even though Blackmon looks like a sure thing I wouldn't trade up for a WR. He's the best of the lot and will most likely go to a top 10 if not top 5. If you are looking at our 2nd round-4th round picks the players I'm keeping an eye on are: Burners - Ryan Broyles - Depending on his ACL injury can go anywhere from late 2nd-6th T.Y. Hilton - This kids got speed to burn but easily bumped at the line 3rd-4th Kendell Wright - Great speed, good hands and makes tough catches 3rd-5th My choice of the bunch is Broyles. Great talent that could be a steal in the right round if he recovers from his ACL injury Possession - Mohamed Sanu - Good route runner that has excellent field vision to find open holes 2nd - early 3rd Marvin McNutt - Will fight and make the tough catches. Excellent hand eye, good route runner, he can skip a gear and hit jogging to full speed in a couple of strides which makes him dangerous in man coverage. Reminds me of Ocho in his prime late 2nd-mid 3rd Nick Toon - He's a good all around WR with excellent blocking ability. Blocking is his best ability as he doesn't excel with anything else but is a very consistent solid player 3rd - 5th My choice of the bunch is McNutt If I had to chose between all of them I would go with McNutt. I think BB will see a lot of similar qualities he saw in Ocho back when he wanted to draft Ocho. Only this time BB will have the picks in the right spot to grab him
    Posted by PatsEng


    PE,

    I too have been wracking my brain the past couple of days trying to determine who the best fit at WR would be while also taking into account that they likely will be out of range (and will not trade up in Rd 1) for the elite prospects in this class (Blackmon, Floyd and Jeffrey etc.).

    Of the players you listed, Toon and McNutt are the most intriguing to me. Both represent an element that's currently missing in this offense... a good sized, outside WR that can effectively beat the jam off the line, gain separation in coverage.  Now, neither is a player that can consistently "take the top off of a defense", but both possess good speed/quicks, with Toon showing more short area quicks, IMO.  Both also have solid hands, will work the middle of the field and have some RAC ability.  Neither kid fits the standard NE WR profile of having either elite short area quicks/COD or blazing straight-lined speed, but both would be assets to this offense.  Toon also has the NFL bloodlines is we all know.

    I prefer Toon at this point as he, IMO, has the better short area quicks/COD, making him a better fit for their offense.

    Another potential value pick to keep an eye on is Jeff Fuller (6-4 220), the big WR for Texas A&M.  He's a 1st round talent that may too fall into the 2nd day due to injuries.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : PE, I too have been wracking my brain the past couple of days trying to determine who the best fit at WR would be while also taking into account that they likely will be out of range (and will not trade up in Rd 1) for the elite prospects in this class (Blackmon, Floyd and Jeffrey etc.). Of the players you listed, Toon and McNutt are the most intriguing to me. Both represent an element that's currently missing in this offense... a good sized, outside WR that can effectively beat the jam off the line, gain separation in coverage.  Now, neither is a player that can consistently "take the top off of a defense", but both possess good speed/quicks, with Toon showing more short area quicks, IMO.  Both also have solid hands, will work the middle of the field and have some RAC ability.  Neither kid fits the standard NE WR profile of having either elite short area quicks/COD or blazing straight-lined speed, but both would be assets to this offense.  Toon also has the NFL bloodlines is we all know. I prefer Toon at this point as he, IMO, has the better short area quicks/COD, making him a better fit for their offense. Another potential value pick to keep an eye on is Jeff Fuller (6-4 220), the big WR for Texas A&M.  He's a 1st round talent that may too fall into the 2nd day due to injuries.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    I have a question, where is Toon predicted to go in the draft? late 1st? Early
    2nd? I'd love to see the Pats draft this kid if he's available at the right point in the draft for them to pick him. He looks well worth a second round pick for sure
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : I have a question, where is Toon predicted to go in the draft? late 1st? Early 2nd? I'd love to see the Pats draft this kid if he's available at the right point in the draft for them to pick him. He looks well worth a second round pick for sure
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    Hc,
    I think he's certainly a top 64 pick with Rd 1 upside.

    I'd hope to get him with one of their Rd 2 picks, yes.
     
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    I like Broyles but the ACL tear is concerning. He relies on his speed and quickness to provide the deep threat and terrific route running. The speed should probably still be there when he's ready to come back but I wonder about the quickness. Also with the injury, he likely gets a late start. In terms of chemistry with a QB, that'll make it unlikely he produces much this next season. If you draft him, you're looking at having him produce for the 2013 season. In the 3rd round, that is probably ok. In the 2nd round, it probably isn't. An uninjured Broyles would have been my first choice for Tom Brady in this draft.
     
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    Yes you are so correct about Barron. I love the thought of the Mathis pick up. In my opinion, Barron should our 2nd pick of round #1. He is a need for the Pats, I can NOT see him there when we pick in the 2nd round.  I have started early but so far this is what I have for our 2012 draft. 1.    Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama   Or   Vinny Curry, DE/OLB, Marshall. Note: I would love Cortney Upshaw from Alabama but he most likely will not be there when we pick.  1A . Mark Barron, S, Alabama 2A. Dwight Jones , WR, North Carolina   or WR, Oklahoma or Nick Toon , WR, Wisconsin 2.  Stephon Gilmore , CB, South Carolina or Cliff Harris, CB, Oregon        3rd round. Frank Alexander, DE/OLB, Oklahoma   or Andre Branch, DE/OLB, Clemson 4 th The best Guard or Tackle available KG In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** :
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    ks,
    We have a lot of the same players in mind, particularly Hightower, Toon, Barron and Gilmore. 

    I too would love Upshaw, but believe he'll be out of range in Rd 1 once draft day is up on us.  Versatile edge rushers with impact potential generally don't last too long.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : I have a question, where is Toon predicted to go in the draft? late 1st? Early 2nd? I'd love to see the Pats draft this kid if he's available at the right point in the draft for them to pick him. He looks well worth a second round pick for sure
    Posted by Homecheese


    Right now Toon is considered a late 2nd early 3rd option from what I've been reading. But, only because of the offense he is used in. He's under utilized on a run heavy O and isn't targeted nearly as much as warranted. But, that's also the knock which could keep him from being a top 45 player. Why is he being under utilized and why has he only shown flashes then gets no love from his QB. That's my main concern with him is why he isn't used more often. The other big concern is a durability issue. He isn't known to be the most durable player which is why I put McNutt over him. Honestly both are very good players with similar qualities. I think McNutt has the edge in toughness and Toon has the edge in quick short bursts.

    MB - Fuller is a good fall back option, the only thing I'd be concerned about with him is that he reminds me of Tate. I'm not sure if I'd want to go down that route in the 3rd. Maybe, for a 4th round pick.

    IMO either Upshaw or Curry will be there for our first pick. I think one will push the other into the mid-late 20's I'm just not sure who will push the other out at this point. I would gladly take either one though if they should happen to fall into our range
     
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    So this is both tongue in cheek yet at the same time conceivable.  Similar to my "Gainseville North" posts on the 2010 draft thread, if BB wants to improve his defense, then why not bring in a good portion of the 2011 'Bama D, one of the top 2 or 3 D's in the nation?

    This isn't my 2012 Mock V1, but this D would be better in a hurry.  This is also assuming Upshaw is off the board before NE selects, which I think will be the case, but if he's not, he's my choice to be their top pick.

    Rd 1- Dont'a Hightower- ILB
    Rd 1- Mark Barron- S
    Rd 2- Josh Chapman- DT
    Rd 2- Robert Lester- S
    Rd 3- De'Quan Menzie- CB
    Rd 4- Nico Johnson- ILB
     
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    So this is both tongue in cheek yet at the same time conceivable.  Similar to my "Gainseville North" posts on the 2010 draft thread, if BB want's to improve his defense, then why not bring in a good portion of the 2011 'Bama D, one of the top 2 or 3 D's in the nation? This isn't my 2012 Mock V1, but this D would be better in a hurry.  This is also assuming Upshaw is off the board before NE selects, which I think will be the case, but if he's not, he's my choice to be their top pick. Rd 1- Dont'a Hightower- ILB Rd 1- Mark Barron- S Rd 2- Josh Chapman- DT Rd 2- Robert Lester- S Rd 3- De'Quan Menzie- CB Rd 4- Nico Johnson- ILB
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    That would sure make it better quick but I don't think we need a ILB. I like Spikes as a 1st and 2nd down back and am alright moving Mayo inside for the 3rd down or finding a coverage ILB in later rounds.

    You could also do a S Carolina/Alabama draft and include Taylor and Ingram. Take Baron out (have Chung don't know if we need Baron), push Chapman and Lester up a spot put Taylor/Ingram in the late 2nd, push Menzie to the 4th and take Ingram/Taylor with the 3rd.

    Now that would be a heck of a draft too

     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : That would sure make it better quick but I don't think we need a ILB. I like Spikes as a 1st and 2nd down back and am alright moving Mayo inside for the 3rd down or finding a coverage ILB in later rounds. You could also do a S Carolina/Alabama draft and include Taylor and Ingram. Take Baron out (have Chung don't know if we need Baron), push Chapman and Lester up a spot put Taylor/Ingram in the late 2nd, push Menzie to the 4th and take Ingram/Taylor with the 3rd. Now that would be a heck of a draft too
    Posted by PatsEng


    I'm not as optimistic on the ILB corps as neither Mayo or Spikes have proven the ability to stay healthy, same goes for assumed up and comer Dane Fletcher.  Now, I like their current talent at the position, but the injuries do leave a question mark.

    I do like the idea of an SEC combo draft as yes SC does have their own collection of defensive talent, I had posted about them the other day. 

    Barron is a pretty versatile kid (Lester is as well) that I think could provide value as both a pass and run defender, covering the deep half/third/slot while also providing value as a box safety and you know BB generally likes those interchangable type kids.  I could see them loading in what I feel could be a pretty deep safety class at this point, though I'd prefer to see them draft a kid and also sign a veteran FA.

    Ingram is a real intriguing kid, he's squatty, but has long arms to go along with an excellent burst and athleticism while Taylor has the ideal height/length that BB covets.
     
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    I'm with MB on the LB situation. We need to turn this position back into an area of strength, and bring in some talent to compliment or spell Mayo/Spikes and company.

    I think there is a possibility that Upshaw could slip to our first pick in round 1. I woudl put a higher probability that Hightower does. If Upshaw doesn't, how much do you like Hightower playing inside or out at LB? Does he make Spikes expendable or vice versa? Same with Upshaw. Do you play Spikes and Upshaw inside and Mayo outside with Fletcher/Guyton/Nink/Cunningham combo? Just trying to figure out how you deploy a kid like Upshaw and Hightower with who we currently have, and Spikes/Cunningham I see as the biggest overlaps when compared to Upshaw and Hightower.


    ALso, I mentioned on a previous post possibly looking at Worthy with our other 1st rounder, or possibly with a 2nd based on where he falls. Is drafting a DT a high priority or do we have a log jam currently in that area? Wilfork, Love, Brace, Pryor, etc. I think a kid like Worthy is an upgrade over Love, Brace and Pryor, but do we use a pick this high for an upgrade when we have bigger needs at Safety, LB, etc.
     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***

    I just wouldn't use a 1st on a rotational player. 1st rounders to me should be players that will be in on 2/3rds of the snaps minimum. Even 2nd rounders I'd expect to play more then a rotational role but it's dependent on position (positions like situational pass rushers and run stuffing DT's where they excel in that one role).

    I wouldn't want to use our first 1st on a ILB when we have Guyton, Mayo, Fletcher, Spikes. Though I do like the idea of getting a coverage ILB for 3rd downs I'd be leaning more towards Chris Marve. He's a very good coverage ILB that could be had in the mid rounds. He'd be good in a rotation with Spikes in the Guyton role
     
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