***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED!

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    pass on forte. want a back draft one. unless they will take 1- 2nd rd pick
     
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    pass on forte. want a back draft one. unless they will take 1- 2nd rd pick
    Posted by bredbru


    What if it was a healthy Adrien Peterson? Same opinion?
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : What if it was a healthy Adrien Peterson? Same opinion?
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ



    no one is going to trade ap.
    so this is a hypothetical?

    tough. id rather build a TEAM.

    but that woudl be crazy tempting.


    still, why the hypothetical? not sure i understand why the question




     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : What if the Forte rumor wasn't a complete rumor? Bears: "So Bill we need both your 2nd's and a 4th or a 2nd and 4th this and next years 2nd for Forte" BB: "Oh really? OK we'll just take Martin if you want to be greedy."
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    I really doubt BB would go after Forte, just not his style. Since RB's have the shortest careers in all the positions it would make no sense for BB to trade for a RB about to make 7.7mil this year and will demand a top 5, at the top of their game. BB, tends to go with RB's most teams feel their careers are over and can get cheap (either pick wise or contract wise) or players who haven't hit their prime yet and the upside is large. Look at all the RB's he's brought in, they all fit that mold.

    Forte is a nice dream but in the end he's just a pipe dream.
     
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    On Konz conversation, I know his tallent but I'm not with most that think he's a slam 1st rounder.  Dude hasn't played a complete season in college, huge injury red flag.  Doesn't matter how talented you are if you can't get on the field you are just another IR in the waiting.

    With that said, there are college players who never stayed healthy get to the NFL and injuries are not a problem but that's a very often.  If you have an injury history specially in a position where you are getting cut, bent, push, grab at, ect it has to be taken into consideration.  
    I know one was a big injury with the ankle, don't think he has worked out either in drills yet I could be mistaken.  How do you spend a 1st round pick on an OC that does 18 reps, injury history and you haven't been able to see how the dislocated ankle has or hasn't impact his mobility ect.

    IMO his strenght could come into question, 18 reps at 225 for a OC? 
    Don't be surpriced if his team, Zeitler mate who has been very impressive gets drafted ahead of Konz if not within a few picks.
    Zeitler IMO is a pro ready OG who can play OC.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : I really doubt BB would go after Forte, just not his style. Since RB's have the shortest careers in all the positions it would make no sense for BB to trade for a RB about to make 7.7mil this year and will demand a top 5, at the top of their game. BB, tends to go with RB's most teams feel their careers are over and can get cheap (either pick wise or contract wise) or players who haven't hit their prime yet and the upside is large. Look at all the RB's he's brought in, they all fit that mold. Forte is a nice dream but in the end he's just a pipe dream.
    Posted by PatsEng


    All I was implying was to piggy back on your smoke screen theory which was the first thing to enter my mind.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : no one is going to trade ap. so this is a hypothetical? tough. id rather build a TEAM. but that woudl be crazy tempting. still, why the hypothetical? not sure i understand why the question
    Posted by bredbru


    Over the past 2 seasons they were statistically nearly the same player. AP a lil bit better run numbers and Forte with better receiving numbers.

    Fans often get wrapped up in the "perception" of a player because of name and reputation.

    Was just curious.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Whoa, 18 reps is a red flag for me I weight 205-210 and can do 6-7 reps at 225:-) Konz only outweighs me by 100 pounds, is 3" taller, 8 years younger AND has had the staff and facilities of a big-time division one program the past 4 years while I workout in my garage 2-3x a week, rock climb and play pick-up basketball....
    Posted by rameakap


    I hear you, I'm 5'7" 177lbs and can get 10 reps on good days.  He had an ankle injury so he should have been able to keep working uper body.  

    He's supposed to workout for teams in April, we'll see if that improves but how do you get to at least 30 reps from 18 in two months, well hell I need to know what's that secret so I can get 315lbs bench quicker.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : All I was implying was to piggy back on your smoke screen theory which was the first thing to enter my mind.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ


    I see my bad. So, you meant that they are tossing out Forte rumors to make teams believe they are looking at RB's and then add in the Martin rumors. Yes I agree that would be very Belichickien of him
     
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    Players on the rise-

    CB Gilmore
    QB Tannehill
    OG Cordy Glenn
    OT Mike Adams
     
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    Quentin Saulsberry (6-3 305) from Miss St is another OC that I like in the later rounds.  Good size, long arms (33 3/4), competitive kid, plays with nastiness, is durable and versatile (could play some OG).
     
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    Does anyone feel like the Pats will draft a O-lineman in the first 2 rounds?  I have a hard time predicting what they might do there.  We have pretty good depth in all areas, and BB seems to do well drafting in later rounds at that position.  BB may be better at drafting at OL in the latter rounds than at any other position. If this is the case, then BB may be drafting only D in the first 3 rounds.  If not OL, what is our biggest area of concern on offense?  There really is none.
    Posted by Army2LT
    I'm just guessing but if a top tier OL drops into BB's lap he isn't going to turn down the chance to grab a value pick based upon his position. 
    His drafting always takes twists and turns so trying to get a true handle on his intentions is damn near impossible! Provided with the chance to grab future picks while sliding down a few spots is his favorite tact but that doesn't mean he's going to do that this year.The biggest area of need still remains on the D side of the ball.Most notably DB/S although he could be looking for another LT (56) never know!!!
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Over the past 2 seasons they were statistically nearly the same player. AP a lil bit better run numbers and Forte with better receiving numbers. Fans often get wrapped up in the "perception" of a player because of name and reputation. Was just curious.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ

    on a serious note, id only do something like that for a franchise qb ie brady. without that you dont win (with rare exceptions)

     
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    given walter footaballs new mock.
    and if browns go wheedon instead of martin, and detroit goes martin instead of jenkins....

    i like still at 27
    jenkins 31
    curry 48 (who they have falling ot us)
    one of jeffery, criiner, mcnutt, quick, toon, jones ,etc at 63
    and in 3 and 4
    one of winn/wolfe
    and one of jones, blake, molk, zeitler, saulsberry,etc
    in udfa
    coale or hemingway, etc slot wr
    and a potential feature back to compete with ridley
     
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    Doesn't Jenkins have alot of off the field issues ?
     
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    Doesn't Jenkins have alot of off the field issues ?
    Posted by Army2LT

     several of us have discussed this
    hes a top 10  or so pick who will drop due to 2 pot arrests and one arrest for fighting. kicked off uf then finished college at a small school.

    about a year since any issues.
    interviewers at the combine liked his interviewing. said he was one of the most honest and direct about his issues, etc than any other player interviewed. said he helped himself the most of all those who had to face tough questions.

    worth a risk imo.
    potential shut down corner

    if not for the past issues wed never sniff a guy like this late in the first of any year.

    quickest breaks of any db in the draft cb or fs.

    most are against. im for a bb looksee to see if he checks out for us to draft.
     
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    The truth about janoris jenkins:

    lengthy article.
    those throwing around whats they have heard in bits and pieces, heres the whole thing.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7742812/2012-nfl-draft-former-florida-gators-cb-janoris-jenkins-walking-tightrope


    HIS COACH THIS PAST YEAR.
    "Janoris isn't a risk of being a problem off the field in the NFL," Bowden said. "He's a tough kid and a hard worker. I always felt like Janoris was handling his business."
     
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    The truth about janoris jenkins: lengthy article. those throwing around whats they have heard in bits and pieces, heres the whole thing. http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7742812/2012-nfl-draft-former-florida-gators-cb-janoris-jenkins-walking-tightrope HIS COACH THIS PAST YEAR. "Janoris isn't a risk of being a problem off the field in the NFL," Bowden said. "He's a tough kid and a hard worker. I always felt like Janoris was handling his business."
    Posted by bredbru

    Known facts:

    • Got in fist fight on field
    • Was tossed out of a school known to baby problem players
    • Was suspended by his new team
    • Arrested 3 times
    • Admitted drug issues within the past year and struggling to control the urges
    • Has 4 kids under 4 yrs old with 3 women

    Those are facts you can't cover up with a poof piece and that's exactly what this is. You can create a poof piece for anyone. Ever hear neighbors after a murder? "They we so kind and such a nice person, I can't believe they would do this".

    Frankly the piece loses credibility when his coach commented on not being a problem off the field when the coach himself admitted to not knowing about Jenkins 4 kids. If he had no clue Jenkins had 4 kids I doubt he actually knew what Jenkins did off the field

     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : Known facts: Got in fist fight on field Was tossed out of a school known to baby problem players Was suspended by his new team Arrested 3 times Admitted drug issues within the past year and struggling to control the urges Has 4 kids under 4 yrs old with 3 women Those are facts you can't cover up with a poof piece and that's exactly what this is. You can create a poof piece for anyone. Ever hear neighbors after a murder? "They we so kind and such a nice person, I can't believe they would do this". Frankly the piece loses credibility when his coach commented on not being a problem off the field when the coach himself admitted to not knowing about Jenkins 4 kids. If he had no clue Jenkins had 4 kids I doubt he actually knew what Jenkins did off the field
    Posted by PatsEng


    the coach said he didnt know because jenkins never let it affect his responsibilities.
    its not his job to handle his players personal life. sure would be great if he was that involved, but hes got a whole team of players. it's much to expect.



    if we agree to diagree that's all good.

    peace

    everyone else id allow to read the article.
    one person's poof piece (to you) is another's actual detail vs whats being thrown around.

    further, lets put your or mine or any peroson's life here up in the media. with all your mistakes for all to see. hows that gonna look?

    dude is not what you portray him to be and some others portray him to be.
    hes not a hardened criminal
    and from the people who know him, hes not a "it's the world's fault, not mine" character.
    if he were white, my guess is he might not have one arrest on his record today.



     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : the coach said he didnt know because jenkins never let it affect his responsibilities. its not his job to handle his players personal life. sure would be great if he was that involved, but hes got a whole team of players. it's much to expect. if we agree to diagree that's all good. peace everyone else id allow to read the article. one person's poof piece (to you) is another's actual detail vs whats being thrown around. further, lets put your or mine or any peroson's life here up in the media. with all your mistakes for all to see. hows that gonna look? dude is not what you portray him to be and some others portray him to be. hes not a hardened criminal and from the people who know him, hes not a "it's the world's fault, not mine" character. if he were white, my guess is he might not have one arrest on his record today.
    Posted by bredbru

    Wow BRD, that was a bit racist. If he was white? He knocked a guy out in front of a cop. He would have been arrested regardless of color. He was arrested with pot, I have plenty of white friends who were arrested for pot and have it on their records.

    Truth is that he's not a harden criminal but he's not innocent either. All his red flags are character issues and concerns, not because he isn't white but because they reflect who he is. Anyone can have a poof piece written about him. Heck, did you hear Vicks supporters defending him after his arrests? That's how poof pieces work and there are usually a couple of year. Only difference is that you like the guy for one odd reason or another. That is unless you think Bryant was misunderstood too?

    BTW since my personal life involves no arrests, nothing illegal, not getting tossed out of school, and not having multiple kids with multiple women while not being able to support any of them at the time then I wouldn't mind if it was tossed up at all. I'd look like a saint in comparison

     
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    Sorry to change the subject, but I am curious about all the Alabama players with 1st round grades.  We all know about the connection between BB and Nick Saban.  With all the highly ranked players coming out this year, is it inevitable that BB grabs one, either by staying put or trading up in the 1st?  

    Shouldn't BB have inside info into which one is the cream of the crop?  And take that player?  
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : the coach said he didnt know because jenkins never let it affect his responsibilities. its not his job to handle his players personal life. sure would be great if he was that involved, but hes got a whole team of players. it's much to expect. if we agree to diagree that's all good. peace everyone else id allow to read the article. one person's poof piece (to you) is another's actual detail vs whats being thrown around. further, lets put your or mine or any peroson's life here up in the media. with all your mistakes for all to see. hows that gonna look? dude is not what you portray him to be and some others portray him to be. hes not a hardened criminal and from the people who know him, hes not a "it's the world's fault, not mine" character. if he were white, my guess is he might not have one arrest on his record today.
    Posted by bredbru

    there is a pattern. with him, we are not talking about a one off lack of judgement incident. 

     
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    seattle we are not in agreement.

    by the way, how many also said bb would bot risk taking ras i dowling when i suggested the possiility last year?
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : sp, Here it is... Quarterbacks have dominated draft talk recently after the pro day workouts of Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III , and things were no different as I laid out my latest mock draft, which includes the first two rounds. I have three quarterbacks in the top 10 overall at this point and five in this projection. I believe seven will ultimately come off the board before the second round is over, but I couldn't find the right fits at this point for Michigan State's Kirk Cousins and Arizona's Nick Foles. Teams likely will trade up or pull the trigger earlier than anticipated on second-round quarterbacks, but, for these purposes, I didn't veer too far from primary needs so as to give a sense of how teams might attack the draft early with combo plans for the first and second rounds. With that in mind, here's how I see things with less than a month to go until the Indianapolis Colts go on the clock. * = draft-eligible non-seniors Indianapolis Colts Record: 2-14 | Top needs: QB, WR, 3-4 NT, TE, 3-4 DE Andrew Luck *, QB, Stanford An outstanding pro day workout, which confirmed Luck's ability to make all the throws and quieted questions about his arm strength, has cemented his status as the top overall prospect and the best choice for the Colts as they begin the post-Peyton Manning era. Washington Redskins (from STL) Record: 5-11 | Top needs: QB, ILB, ROT, RB, S, CB Robert Griffin III *, QB, Baylor Griffin also had a strong pro day, and his athleticism and intangibles make him a perfect fit for the offense of coach Mike Shanahan. The Redskins have been searching for answers at quarterback for years, and they have found them in Griffin. Minnesota Vikings Record: 3-13 | Top needs: OT, WR, CB, S, MLB, DT Matt Kalil *, OT, USC The most complete tackle I have evaluated in my time scouting prospects, Kalil has the athleticism to excel as a pass-blocker and the mean streak to be a force in the running game. Cleveland Browns Record: 4-12 | Top needs: RB, WR, ROT, QB, OLB, DE Justin Blackmon *, WR, Oklahoma State With the top two quarterbacks on the board already gone, Blackmon's size, hands and physical style offer the Browns a playmaker who can help current QB Colt McCoy. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Record: 4-12 | Top needs: CB, RB, SS, OLB, OG, TE Trent Richardson *, RB, Alabama This is a tough call because you could make an argument for taking LSU CB Morris Claiborne here and grabbing one of the second-tier running backs with the 36th pick. Richardson is a special prospect, though, and he could be just what QB Josh Freeman and the Bucs need to jump-start an offense that finished 30th in the league in rushing last season. St. Louis Rams (from WAS) Record: 2-14 | Top needs: WR, OT, DT, CB, RB, LB Morris Claiborne *, CB, LSU The Rams desperately need playmakers for young QB Sam Bradford , but there are plenty of wideouts to be had down the line, and Claiborne is one of the four best players in the draft and plays a high-value position. Jacksonville Jaguars Record: 5-11 | Top needs: WR, DE, ROT, CB, C, RB Riley Reiff *, OT, Iowa Reiff is a safe, high-character pick who fits the draft style of Jags general manager Gene Smith. He will solidify the offensive line and provide protection for second-year QB Blaine Gabbert as he continues to develop. North Carolina DE Quinton Coples is the most talented player on the board at this point, but he's the kind of high-upside prospect who doesn't fit Smith's style. Miami Dolphins Record: 6-10 | Top needs: QB, DE, WR, ROT, S, TE Ryan Tannehill , QB, Texas A&M Tannehill is still somewhat raw as a quarterback -- just 19 starts after beginning his career as a wide receiver -- but his athleticism and upside are impressive. He also makes better decisions than some give him credit for and he didn't get much help in his senior year, when he was coached by new Dolphins offensive coordinator Mike Sherman. Carolina Panthers Record: 6-10 | Top needs: DT, WR, CB, OLB, OT, DE Dontari Poe *, DT, Memphis Poe blew up the NFL combine with his combination of size (6-foot-3½, 346 pounds), athleticism and speed. He is exactly the kind of dominating interior presence the Panthers need. Buffalo Bills Record: 6-10 | Top needs: OT, WR, QB, CB, TE, OLB Michael Floyd , WR, Notre Dame Floyd is a bit of a reach here, but no more so than OTs Mike Adams and Jonathan Martin . It's a tough call on the Bills' top two needs in this scenario, and they could look to trade down in a situation like this. They could also pull the trigger on a value pick such as Coples. Kansas City Chiefs Record: 7-9 | Top needs: 3-4 NT, LG, ILB, S, 3-4 DE, 3-4 OLB Luke Kuechly *, ILB, Boston College With Poe off the board, Kuechly addresses another big hole on defense and would team with Derrick Johnson to give the Chiefs range and playmaking ability inside. Kuechly has elite instincts and intelligence, and he proved at the combine that he is more athletic than many thought. Seattle Seahawks Record: 7-9 | Top needs: DE, LB, TE, WR, G/ROT, RB Quinton Coples , DE, North Carolina A great value at a position of primary need. Coples is a versatile prospect with solid measurables, good pass-rush ability and the ability to hold up against the run. Arizona Cardinals Record: 8-8 | Top needs: ROT, WR, 3-4 DE, QB, 3-4 OLB, DB Melvin Ingram , DE/OLB, South Carolina The Cardinals have bigger needs at offensive tackle and wide receiver, but coach Ken Whisenhunt learned the value of playmaking linebackers during his days in Pittsburgh. Ingram is strong and explosive and shows a knack for making big plays, and he would give Arizona needed depth along the front seven. Dallas Cowboys Record: 8-8 | Top needs: 3-4 DL, G, CB, RB, 3-4 OLB, TE Fletcher Cox *, DT, Mississippi State Stanford G David DeCastro and Alabama S Mark Barron are possibilities here, but I like what Cox could bring to Rob Ryan's defense. He has the versatility to play anywhere along the defensive line and can provide pass-rush production from the inside. Philadelphia Eagles Record: 8-8 | Top needs: WLB, SLB, SS, OT (depth), DL, QB Mark Barron , S, Alabama The Eagles began addressing their linebacker need by trading for DeMeco Ryans , so Barron makes sense in the back end. He is the most complete safety in the draft, offering a physical presence in run support and the range to play the point in coverage. New York Jets Record: 8-8 | Top needs: OLB, WR, ROT, 3-4 DE, TE, ILB Courtney Upshaw , DE/OLB, Alabama Upshaw is the kind of physical, versatile front-seven player Rex Ryan loaded up on in his days with the Ravens, showing explosiveness and power as a pass-rusher and as a run defender. Floyd also would be a consideration here if he were available, and he would be a good complement to Santonio Holmes . Cincinnati Bengals (from OAK) Record: 9-7 | Top needs: CB, G, WR, SS, DL, RB David DeCastro *, G, Stanford DeCastro is the No. 12 overall prospect on our board but falls a bit because of positional value. He would be a great addition for the Bengals in front of young QB Andy Dalton . San Diego Chargers Record: 8-8 | Top needs: ROT, 3-4 NT, G, 3-4 DE, S, RB/TE/WR depth Cordy Glenn , OT/G, Georgia The Chargers have addressed many needs in free agency, but Jeromey Clary is clearly not the answer at right tackle. Glenn is a massive (6-5¾, 345), powerful prospect who would boost the running game and help keep QB Philip Rivers clean in the pocket. Chicago Bears Record: 8-8 | Top needs: LOT, TE, G, DE, DT, CB Jonathan Martin *, OT, Stanford Martin needs to add some strength, but he could pair with 2011 first-round OT Gabe Carimi to give offensive coordinator Mike Tice a pair of bookends to coach up. Tice's scheme will help keep QB Jay Cutler upright, but the Bears desperately need a left tackle Tennessee Titans Record: 9-7 | Top needs: S, CB, TE, DE, G/C, LB Dre Kirkpatrick *, CB, Alabama Adding Kamerion Wimbley addressed the Titans' pass-rush need, so Kirkpatrick will fill a void at corner. He has the size, toughness and instincts to fit nicely in Tennessee's zone-heavy scheme. North Alabama's Janoris Jenkins is a better cover corner but will drop because of character baggage, but rising South Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore also could be a consideration here. Cincinnati Bengals Record: 9-7 | Top needs: CB, G, WR, SS, DL, RB Stephon Gilmore *, CB, South Carolina Gilmore is rising fast thanks to a combination of size (6-0½, 190), quick feet and ball skills, and even the Bengals likely will pass on Jenkins in favor of Gilmore. Cleveland Browns (from ATL) Record: 4-12 | Top needs: RB, WR, ROT, QB, OLB, DE Mike Adams , OT, Ohio State Adams is a little risky because of his lack of consistency and killer instinct, but he has the size (6-7¼, 323), agility and long arms that teams look for in left tackles. The Browns have a need at tackle, and Adams has plenty of upside. Detroit Lions Record: 10-6 | Top needs: CB, LOT/G, DE, LB (depth), C, RB Whitney Mercilus *, DE, Illinois The Lions put the franchise tag on DE Cliff Avril, and Kyle Vanden Bosch will be 34 this season, so now is the time to add an edge rusher to make sure their defensive line will remain a devastating force for years to come. Mercilus has quickness and a knack for big plays, but he is still developing and this would be a good situation for him. Pittsburgh Steelers Record: 12-4 | Top needs: G/ROT, 3-4 NT, ILB, RB, DB depth, OT depth Dont'a Hightower *, ILB, Alabama Hightower has nailed the pre-draft process and is solidly in the first round, and, with his ability to control the interior against the run, he's a perfect fit for Pittsburgh's 3-4 system. There are few 263-pounders who run like Hightower. Denver Broncos Record: 8-8 | Top needs: DT, CB, G/C, RB, WR, QB Michael Brockers *, DT, LSU The interior defensive line is clearly the Broncos' biggest need, and Brockers could prove to be a steal at this point. He has a big (6-5, 323), well-proportioned frame and better mobility than his production indicates, and, with some coaching and time in the weight room, Brockers could become a force. Houston Texans Record: 10-6 | Top needs: WR, ROT, ILB, G, CB, 3-2 OLB Kendall Wright , WR, Baylor The Texans need another playmaker opposite WR Andre Johnson, and Wright fits the bill. He proved his speed in his pro day workout, and Wright is a dynamic runner after the catch who also can contribute in the return game if needed. New England Patriots (from N.O.) Record: 12-4 | Top needs: DE, DT, DB, C, SLB, WR Chandler Jones *, DE, Clemson Jones is one of the most underrated prospects in the entire 2012 class and just the kind of versatile defender Bill Belichick likes. Jones is long and athletic and can play end in an odd or even front, maybe even some outside linebacker in 3-4 looks. Green Bay Packers Record: 15-1 | Top needs: 3-4 OLB, S, QB, TE, 3-4 DL Andre Branch , DE, Clemson Packers OLB Clay Matthews clearly needs pass-rush help, and Branch can provide that with his motor and ability to get after the quarterback. He has the athleticism to move to outside linebacker in Green Bay's 3-4 defense, where he also can hold up well against the run. Baltimore Ravens Record: 12-4 | Top needs: G, OLB, LOT, DE, ILB, RB Harrison Smith , S, Notre Dame With no offensive linemen worth drafting, fast-rising Smith is a good value pick who could provide long-term security at safety with the clock ticking on Ed Reed . The Ravens also could consider a defensive tackle such as Connecticut's Kendall Reyes at this spot. San Francisco 49ers Record: 13-3 | Top needs: G, 3-4 DE, WR, RB, CB, OLB Stephen Hill *, WR, Georgia Tech Hill is as raw as they come for a prospect from a BCS conference, but his size (6-4, 215) and big-play ability (29.3-yard average on 28 receptions) make him hard to ignore, especially after he turned in one of the most impressive combine workouts I've seen from a receiver. New England Patriots Record: 13-3 | Top needs: DE, DT, DB, C, SLB, WR Kendall Reyes , DT, Connecticut Reyes is a versatile talent who hasn't yet played to his potential, but he is a smart player who could thrive in this scheme and with this organization. New York Giants Record: 9-7 | Top needs: OT, RB, LB, DT, DE, S Lavonte David , OLB, Nebraska The Giants might have bigger needs, but David is a great value and a perfect fit. He is one of the best pure football players in the entire draft, someone who could be plugged in on the weak side and allow Michael Boley to move to the middle. Round 2 Pick Team Player Position School 33 Rams Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State 34 Colts Coby Fleener TE Stanford 35 Vikings Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina 36 Buccaneers Zach Brown OLB North Carolina 37 Browns Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State 38 Jaguars Nick Perry DE USC 39 Rams (from Was.) Rueben Randle WR LSU 40 Panthers Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama 41 Bills Brock Osweiler QB Arizona State 42 Dolphins Bobby Massie OT Mississippi 43 Seahawks Mychal Kendricks ILB Cal 44 Chiefs Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin 45 Cowboys Amini Silatolu OG Midwestern State 46 Eagles Devon Still DT Penn State 47 Jets Brandon Thompson DT/DE Clemson 48 Patriots (from Oak.) Peter Konz C Wisconsin 49 Chargers Alameda Ta'amu NT Washington 50 Bears Dwayne Allen TE Clemson 51 Eagles (from Ari.) Ronnell Lewis OLB Oklahoma 52 Titans Orson Charles TE Georgia 53 Bengals Lamar Miller RB Miami (Fla.) 54 Lions Josh Robinson CB UCF 55 Falcons Vinny Curry DE Marshall 56 Steelers Doug Martin RB Boise State 57 Broncos David Wilson RB Virginia Tech 58 Texans Zebrie Sanders OT Florida State 59 Packers Trumaine Johnson CB Montana 60 Ravens Jeff Allen OG Illinois 61 49ers Kelechi Osemele OG Iowa State 62 Patriots Brandon Taylor S LSU 63 Giants Mitchell Schwartz OT Cal
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    MB  thanx for posting this.

    couple of questions  I have with McShea  and would love to hear your input
    1 what has happened to Nick Perry?  he seems to be physicaly Willy Mac reincarnate
    2. If Samuel goes to Titans will Gilmore or Kilpatrick  slip to us?
    3. Listening to NFL radio there is now talk of a new defensive player the Nickel Safety to combat what the Pats have introduced and it seems others will follow ( NFL copy cat league). BB seems to be ahead of the curve and do you think he is looking for that guy.. maybe a new hybrid, OL with speed , big CB, fast S? the 2 Nebraska guys have been mentioned to fit this MO  .. Jones  and Dennard (I think he is a little short to match up with,say Herny).

    your thoughts
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V2 ADDED 2/18! : MB  thanx for posting this. couple of questions  I have with McShea  and would love to hear your input 1 what has happened to Nick Perry?  he seems to be physicaly Willy Mac reincarnate ...
    Posted by mgraham


    i agree. he's actually the olb/de i want. i am fine with him falling a bit so that pats have a chance to get him.


     
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