***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED!

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    Yeah, every mock I've seen has him in the 10-20 range. Just hoping...

    As for the condition of our offensive line, I hear what you are saying. But better to add depth than realize you don't have it at mid season. If DeCastro was on the board, he'd be the slam dunk pick for me. If not him, than defense time two in the first round of the draft.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : Timely and excellent post PatsEng.  I agree with 99% of what you have here.  At the WR position, given Welker's situation is fluid, and the lack of a proven product on the roster outside of Welker and Branch and to a degree Stallworth, I might look to take a WR earlier if one slips like MB indicated in Alshon Jeffrey. If this kid is still hanging around end of round 2, he would be my pick at 62. This would be an excellent value pick at a position we need to develop, and there is no knowing how the various WR acquisitions will perform this year.  Outside of WR, if we have 4-5 spots on the roster to fill, I would like to see them made on the defense. I think doubling up on the DL, possibly LB or CB/S. All the guys you mention on the DL less Wilfork, Fanene (not including Carter) are depth players. 2 DL (One 4-3 DE/DT, and One 3-4 DE/DT) would seem to fit the bill. Wolfe & Martin, Still & Thompson, Wolfe & Winn, etc. I think there are any number of combinations depending upon who is on the board & who the Pats value most at a given spot.  I would love to land Gilmore or another top rated CB at the end of round 1 at 27 if possible. If not, and we decide to keep McCourty at CB, I would prefer we wait until round 2 and grab Brandon Taylor (S) from LSU over Harrison Smith. Sorry MB..didn't mean to diss your ND kid, I like him, but I think Taylor, based on where he can be had, presents better value & a similar skill set. I also think Taylor is flying a bit under the radar right now. 1a. Gilmore / Still  2a. Still / Wolfe 2b. Curry / Jeffrey  2c. Jeffrey / Taylor 3a. Martin / Winn / Crick 
    Posted by PatsLifer

    i like it.  id take gilmore or jenkins. dont know about crick.

     
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    I'm not fond of either Smith or Taylor at this point. Both are good players but both (like Chung) and hybrid SS/FS players. Personally given this league is turning into a pass happy league I'm looking for more of a FS/CB combo. Almost having 3 CB's on the field at all times. Just one that might not be as fluid but is stronger and a little bigger to play the field. Barron might be that type of player but I don't see him making out of the top 20. I'm looking more at conversion types of DB's at this point. Dennard, Iloka, T Johnson, Fletcher, Bethel. On an unrelated note couple things I've been hearing. Car wants out of the #9 pick. Given if Ingram was available at that point would you trade #27 and #63 and maybe a 4th or 5th next year to move up and grab Ingram? Chi apparently loves Brockers at #19, so that's where his train might stop. Would it be worth trading up to the top 18 to grab Brockers before Chi gets a chance at him? or is it not worth the risk and hold back for Reyes at #27/31 or Wolfe/Martin in the 2nd?
    Posted by PatsEng


    " Personally given this league is turning into a pass happy league I'm looking for more of a FS/CB combo. "

    completely agree; or cover safety is language i use.
     
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    Yeah, every mock I've seen has him in the 10-20 range. Just hoping... As for the condition of our offensive line, I hear what you are saying. But better to add depth than realize you don't have it at mid season. If DeCastro was on the board, he'd be the slam dunk pick for me. If not him, than defense time two in the first round of the draft.
    Posted by TitleTown11


    The way I look at it is that you can only really carry 8-9 OL on game day anyways. So when you look at it the givens are: Mankins, Cannon, Solder, Connolly, Vollmer right now, that's 5. The most likely to make the roster or not retire are: Waters, Gallery, Koppen, that's 3 more. Now they also like Wendell, Thomas, and McDonald (McDonald esp) so odds are that one of them is taken and there's you're 9 with maybe either Wendell or Thomas on the 53 but not on gameday roster. If you draft DeCastro then he's going to start and where would you put him? Would you play him over Mankins?, what if Waters doesn't retire, would you play him over Waters? He's not a T or a C so that's your two choices, would you play him over Mankins or Waters?

    I understand the want for depth but there just isn't room this year. If you are thinking about the future I'm not even sure there will be room there. I mean DeCastro was a starting LG moving him to the RG position almost seems like a waste and I feel it's dependent on Vollmers back. If Vollmers back is fine this year and he makes it through the season I see them moving Cannon to RG. Cannon to me looked like a starter and I think they feel he is a starter. They won't move him, though, until there is a spot and until they are sure Vollmer won't break down. So the question becomes what do you do with Mankins, Vollmer, Solder, and Cannon if you get DeCastro?
     
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    So the more I think about BB's draft history the more I'm convinced that with the parameter positions (WR, DB) BB relies heavily on the 3-cone numbers. I know not a huge shock, but here are the top 10 players in cone numbers in the parameter positions (*denotes private workout, + denotes workout and visit):

    DB's:

    Josh Robinson* - 6.55
    Terrence Freddick - 6.59
    Coty Sensabaugh - 6.60
    Stephon Gilmore* - 6.61
    Harrison Smith* - 6.63
    Jeron McMillan - 6.69
    Robert Blanton - 6.71
    Jamell Fleming - 6.71
    Corey White - 6.72
    Casey Heyward* - 6.76

    WR's:

    Junior Hemingway - 6.59
    Danny Coale - 6.69
    T.J. Graham - 6.77
    Marvin Jones* - 6.81
    Jerrell Jackson - 6.82
    Kashif Moore - 6.82
    Jordan White - 6.84
    Keshawn Martin - 6.85
    Chris Owusu* - 6.85
    Stephen Hill* - 6.88

    Now, for all there picks that have run a 3 cone (so excluding Price and Tate, but you'd image they'd have good times) all were sub 6.8 and all were top 15 in their draft class in cone time. So with those givens who falls short of those marks that we've discussed?

    DB's:

    Iloka
    Taylor (worst 3 cone for S's)
    Jenkins
    Bentley

    WR's:

    Randle
    Givens
    J Wright
    McNutt (sadly worst 3 cone for WR's)
    Criner
    Quick
    Adams

    If BB holds true to his ways then you can almost instantly cross those names off your list

    One interesting note is my boy Rainey had the best 3 cone in the draft followed by Robinson. Both players have been linked to the Pats at one point or another
     
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    PatsEng - I liked your roster evaluation, but would add: BB really likes to 'churn' his roster - replacing back-ups who they feel have reached their ceiling with new players that may have higher upside. So ...
    O-line - we have a lot of new young talent at tackle, but OG/C starters and some back-ups are on the downside of their careers, and Wendell, Thomas, and McD haven't broken through. Not sure how the team evaluates them, but if they see a high upside/high value interior lineman available/dropping from pick 62 on I think they would pounce.
    On the RB/WR/KR - I think they could also look at a DB/KR like Boykin if the price was right - DB being a higher need position than WR/RB.
    On TE - not going to happen, but I bet BB is tempted by Fleener - think of him as a huge WR in the mold of Hern. He is as fast as a number of the large WR and probably faster than Welker. (Just a wild hare, but that would be an interesting offense!)
    On Defense:
    LB - I think we may see them take a cover linebacker - haven't really done it before, but I think they are looking at someone who can cover TE/RB and the option is big CB, cover S, or smaller faster LB. And I sure hope they find a three down OLB.
    DB - I see this as totally in flux and depending on who falls where BB may draft 2 or 3 s/cbs especially if he takes his KR from the CB/S universe. I only see Chung, Arrington, Ras, and McC as locks even with the players they brought in. Going to be an interesting camp!
    DL - also totally in flux. I expect Carter back and he, Wilfork, Love, Fanene, and probably Scott are locks. Hoping for at least one each of DT and DE and could see a doubling up if players fall right.
    So ... my thoughts:
    2-3 Dline
    1-2 LB
    2-3 Dbacks
    1 KR (CB/RB/WR)
    1 OG/C
    My board:
    LB McClellin/Brown/David/Hightower/Irvin(?)
    DL Cox/Brockers/Worthy/Branch/Curry/Wolfe/Jones
    DB Barron/Kirkpatrick/Jenkins/Smith/Taylor/Johnson/Boykin/Dennard
    OG/C Zeitler/Brooks/Brown/Molk
    Based on this, and not expecting the top end to be available at 27 or 31, If they can get value in trades, I could see them trying to stock up on 2nd/3rd rounders. I think that is where the real value of the draft resides as I think the 20-32 players mostly have the same 'grade' as the 33-62 players.
     
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    It really would not surprise me if McCourty ended up as a passing down free safety with Sergio Brown or Steven Gregory playing the position in early downs.  With the lack of talent at the safety position in this draft these players will be over-drafted.  Barron and Smith will go higher than they ordinarily should.  It is not BB's usual method to reach for players.  There is plenty of depth at CB so it may mean drafting another one in the second round and maybe another one later.
    With McCourty and Chung at safety in the nickel or dime, the CB's would still be Dowling, Arrington, Allen, Moore, and whoever they draft.  That is pretty good depth.  
    It's just my feeling that BB will not trade up to the mid first to draft Barron (that kind of seems where he will be going now).  If he fell into the twenties I could see trading up to snag him.  Harrison Smith at 48 would be OK in my book, but I can't see reaching for him in the first.  I think he goes before 48 in the second round.  
    This all comes out to draft philosophy.  Would it be better to draft player A who you have a 10 spots higher on your draft board or draft player B who is lower on your board but fills a serious void on your roster.  The thought obviously is that A would be a better player for the course of his career than B (that's why you have him rated higher).  So long term it's better to draft A, while in the short term B may seem more attractive.
     
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    It really would not surprise me if McCourty ended up as a passing down free safety with Sergio Brown or Steven Gregory playing the position in early downs.  With the lack of talent at the safety position in this draft these players will be over-drafted.  Barron and Smith will go higher than they ordinarily should.  It is not BB's usual method to reach for players.  There is plenty of depth at CB so it may mean drafting another one in the second round and maybe another one later. With McCourty and Chung at safety in the nickel or dime, the CB's would still be Dowling, Arrington, Allen, Moore, and whoever they draft.  That is pretty good depth.   It's just my feeling that BB will not trade up to the mid first to draft Barron (that kind of seems where he will be going now).  If he fell into the twenties I could see trading up to snag him.  Harrison Smith at 48 would be OK in my book, but I can't see reaching for him in the first.  I think he goes before 48 in the second round.   This all comes out to draft philosophy.  Would it be better to draft player A who you have a 10 spots higher on your draft board or draft player B who is lower on your board but fills a serious void on your roster.  The thought obviously is that A would be a better player for the course of his career than B (that's why you have him rated higher).  So long term it's better to draft A, while in the short term B may seem more attractive.
    Posted by paularnold


    Agree with your view of Safety - I doubt BB grades Barron as more than a mid 20s and Smith as more than a mid second round pick. At 48 smith may be a value pick. I could see them looking at the bigger corners in the second and third round as CB/FS players, or some of the lower ranked Safties in round 3 or later. Ras I was also seen as a possible S during the last draft if I remember correctly.
     
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    Poor Upshaw, caught between a rock and a hard place.

    43 teams are worried if he has the ability to rush off the edge and 34 teams are worried if he can cover. I like the kid a lot but I'd have more faith in Perry, Curry, and maybe even McClellin coming off the edge or dropping back then I do Upshaw. That's a real shame because he's a good player. If we didn't already have Mayo I would most definitely take him in the back end of the 1st, but since we do I want more of a prototypical OLB/DE

    According to Sporting News' Russ Lande, Alabama OLB/DE Courtney Upshaw will likely fall to the "20 to 40" range in the draft.

    ESPN's Todd McShay said similar things on SportsCenter Tuesday, suggesting Upshaw could fall into round two if the Patriots don't take him. Per Lande, Upshaw's stock has fallen "over concerns about his edge pass-rush ability" -- the same trait McShay cited. 3-4 teams also worry that Upshaw can't cover. Lande reports that 3-4 clubs are higher on USC's Nick Perry, Illinois' Whitney Mercilus, and South Carolina's Melvin Ingram than Upshaw.
     
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    Poor Upshaw, caught between a rock and a hard place. 43 teams are worried if he has the ability to rush off the edge and 34 teams are worried if he can cover. I like the kid a lot but I'd have more faith in Perry, Curry, and maybe even McClellin coming off the edge or dropping back then I do Upshaw. That's a real shame because he's a good player. If we didn't already have Mayo I would most definitely take him in the back end of the 1st, but since we do I want more of a prototypical OLB/DE According to Sporting News' Russ Lande, Alabama OLB/DE Courtney Upshaw will likely fall to the "20 to 40" range in the draft. ESPN's Todd McShay said similar things on SportsCenter Tuesday, suggesting Upshaw could fall into round two if the Patriots don't take him. Per Lande, Upshaw's stock has fallen "over concerns about his edge pass-rush ability" -- the same trait McShay cited. 3-4 teams also worry that Upshaw can't cover. Lande reports that 3-4 clubs are higher on USC's Nick Perry, Illinois' Whitney Mercilus, and South Carolina's Melvin Ingram than Upshaw.
    Posted by PatsEng



    Good, let him fall all the way to NE at the back end of Rd 1.

    RE: Lande's comments- (Call me skeptical due to the proximity to the draft.) Ingram has been rated higher for a while now, but I'd love to see who Whitney Mercilus is covering or where he's proved that he can play 34 OLB full-time?  Upshaw is also a much better run defender than Perry.
     
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    Matt Light to retire:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/18/source-matt-light-will-retire/

     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : Good, let him fall all the way to NE at the back end of Rd 1. RE: Lande's comments- (Call me skeptical due to the proximity to the draft.) Ingram has been rated higher for a while now, but I'd love to see who Whitney Mercilus is covering or where he's proved that he can play 34 OLB full-time?  Upshaw is also a much better run defender than Perry.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Totally agree.  This is a classic case of a player getting over-analyzed.  Based strictly on his game film, Upshaw is a fringe top 10 pick.  The draft process has a way of penalizing guys like Upshaw who don't have prototypical measurables for a certain position.  3 months ago it looked like Upshaw was way out of our reach, not we're talking about him in the second round?  What has he done to hurt his stock since then?  If he slides to 27, draft him.  Dude is a player.
     
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    If Upshaw drops to the Pats he doesn't get past #27 with me.  I can't see him dropping at all and wonder where these guys get there info.  20 to 40 range, especailly the number 40 is crazy.  And just before the draft this guy doesn't have it any more? 

    Is it just me or are the Alabama players getting huge knocks?  Barron is slow, Upshaw can't cover and Hightower we don't know what he is. 
     
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    If Upshaw drops to the Pats he doesn't get past #27 with me.  I can't see him dropping at all and wonder where these guys get there info.  20 to 40 range, especailly the number 40 is crazy.  And just before the draft this guy doesn't have it any more?  Is it just me or are the Alabama players getting huge knocks?  Barron is slow, Upshaw can't cover and Hightower we don't know what he is. 
    Posted by garytx

    When you have a loaded D sometimes it hurts their stock instead of helping. If they all cover up each others faults and almost niche each other then it becomes inscreasing hard to judge their true talent. It's almost better to be a completely dominant player on a horrible team then a good player on a great team

     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : When you have a loaded D sometimes it hurts their stock instead of helping. If they all cover up each others faults and almost niche each other then it becomes inscreasing hard to judge their true talent. It's almost better to be a completely dominant player on a horrible team then a good player on a great team
    Posted by PatsEng


    I don't buy it.  It shows up on tape.  Players have individual responsibilities.  How do they react or read?  These Alabama players are off like a shot.  They read very well. 
     
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    Below is my updated board, it's been a challenge to keep the Rd 1-4 options at a total of 40 prospects.

    Rd 1Rd 1-2Rd 2
    S- Mark  BarronDL- Kendall ReyesCB-Josh Robinson
    DL- Fletcher CoxS- Harrison SmithCB- Jayron Hosley
    DL- Michael BrockersDE/OLB- Shea McClellinWR- Alshon Jeffery
    OLB- Courtney UpshawDE/OLB- Vinny CurryWR- Mohamed Sanu
    CB- Dre KirkpatrickRB- Doug MartinOG- Amini Silatolu
    LB- Dont'a HightowerDL- Brandon ThompsonOT- Bobby Massie
    CB/S- Stephon GilmoreCB- Brandon Boykin
    Rd 2-3Rd 3Rd 3-4
    WR- Marvin JonesDE/OLB- Cam JohnsonWR- Greg Childs
    OLB- Ronnell LewisOG/OT- Senio KelemeteWR- Joe Adams
    OLB- Bruce IrvinS- George IlokaDE/OLB- Jake Bequette
    DL- Derek WolfeCB/S- Ron Brooks
    DL- Alameda Ta'amuWR- Ryan Broyles
    CB- Casey Hayward
    Rd 4Rd's 5-URFAKeeping an eye on:
    WR- Devon WylieOLB- Miles BurrisDL- Jerel Worthy
    CB- Shaun PraterOLB- Darius FlemingDL- Devon Still
    DL- Josh ChapmanOLB- Vince BrowneDL- Mike Martin
    OG- Joe LooneyOLB- Tyler NielsenDL- Billy Winn
    LB- Audie ColeDE/OLB- Brett RoyDL- Hebron Fangupo
    S- Brandon TaylorDE/OLB- Justin FrancisDE/OLB- Andre Branch
    DE/OLB- Julian Miller
    DE/OLB- Tim FuggerOLB- Bruce Irvin
    DE/OLB- Louis NzegwuLB- Nigel Bradham
    DE/OLB- Scott SolomonCB- Chase Minnifield
    DE/OLB- Jamie BlatnickCB- Leonard Johnson
    DL- Travian RoberstonCB- Janoris Jenkins
    DL- JR SweezyCB- Omar Bolden
    DL- Markus KuhnS- Markelle Martin
    DL- Matt ConrathS- Antonio Allen
    DL- Taylor ThompsonOT/OG- Jeff Allen
    DL- Dominique HamiltonOT/OG- Tony Bergstrom
    DL- Ryan Van BergenOT/OG- Brandon Washington
    DL- Ethan JohnsonOT- Zebrie Sanders
    DL- Jaye HowardOT- Mitchell Schwartz
    DL- Kheeston RandallOT- Brandon Mosley
    DL- Armond ArmsteadOG Kevin Zeitler
    LB- Noah MillerOG- Lucas Nix
    LB- Jerry FranklinC- Phillip Blake
    LB- Vontaze BurfictC- Ben Jones
    LB- Tank CarderWR- Rueben Randle
    LB- DJ HoltWR- Chris Givens
    LB- Chris GalippoWR- Jarius Wright
    LB- Nathan StuparWR- Marvin McNutt
    S- Brandon HardinWR- TY Hilton
    S- Jerron McMillianRB- Chris Polk
    S- Dequan MenzieRB- Bernard Pierce
    S- Jordan BernstineRB- Vick Ballard
    S- Matt DanielsRB- LaMichael James
    S- Sean Richardson
    S- Johnson Bademosi
    CB/S- Neiko Thorpe
    CB/S- Robert Blanton
    CB/S- Coryell Judie
    CB- Asa Jackson
    CB- Coty Sensabaugh
    OG/OT- Markus Zusevics
    OG/OT- Nate Potter
    OT/OG- Tom Compton
    OT- Andrew Datko
    OT- Bryce Harris
    OT- Donald Stephenson
    OG- Adam Gettis
    OG- Desmond Wynn
    C/OG- Quentin Saulsberry
    TE- Brad Herman
    TE- George Bryan
    TE- Chase Ford
    TE- Kevin Koger
    RB- Jonas Gray
    RB- Joe Martinek
    RB-  Robert Turbin
    RB- Michael Smith
    RB- Terrance Ganaway
    RB- Brandon Bolden
    RB- Jeremy Stewart
    RB- Davin Meggett
    WR- Danny Coale
    WR- Marquis Maze
    WR- Keyshawn Martin
    WR- TJ Graham
    WR- Kashif Moore
    WR- Chris Owusu
    WR- Aaron Pflugrad
    WR- Tyler Shoemaker
    QB- Ryan Lindley
    QB- Austin Davis
    QB- Dan Persa
    QB- John Brantley 
     
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    No surprise there.  I think he'll be like Seau, if someone gets hurt, we can bring him back for the title push.  What's the deal with Waters?  Is he for sure coming back?
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : No surprise there.  I think he'll be like Seau, if someone gets hurt, we can bring him back for the title push.  What's the deal with Waters?  Is he for sure coming back?
    Posted by Faucetman


    Good question on Waters and while I think Gallery provides some insurance, losing both he and Light in the same offseason may cause them to spend a day 2 pick on an OT or OG, IMO... as things stand today I think OG is already an option in that range (I like Senio Kelemete a lot in Rd 3).
     
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    Below is my updated board, it's been a challenge to keep the Rd 1-4 options at a total of 40 prospects. Rd 1 Rd 1-2 Rd 2 S- Mark   Barron DL- Kendall Reyes CB-Josh Robinson DL- Fletcher Cox S- Harrison Smith CB- Jayron Hosley DL- Michael Brockers DE/OLB- Shea McClellin WR- Alshon Jeffery OLB- Courtney Upshaw DE/OLB- Vinny Curry WR- Mohamed Sanu CB- Dre Kirkpatrick RB- Doug Martin OG- Amini Silatolu LB- Dont'a Hightower DL- Brandon Thompson OT- Bobby Massie CB/S- Stephon Gilmore CB- Brandon Boykin Rd 2-3 Rd 3 Rd 3-4 WR- Marvin Jones DE/OLB- Cam Johnson WR- Greg Childs OLB- Ronnell Lewis OG/OT- Senio Kelemete WR- Joe Adams OLB- Bruce Irvin S- George Iloka DE/OLB- Jake Bequette DL- Derek Wolfe CB/S- Ron Brooks DL- Alameda Ta'amu WR- Ryan Broyles CB- Casey Hayward Rd 4 Rd's 5-URFA Keeping an eye on: WR- Devon Wylie OLB- Miles Burris DL- Jerel Worthy CB- Shaun Prater OLB- Darius Fleming DL- Devon Still DL- Josh Chapman OLB- Vince Browne DL- Mike Martin OG- Joe Looney OLB- Tyler Nielsen DL- Billy Winn LB- Audie Cole DE/OLB- Brett Roy DL- Hebron Fangupo S- Brandon Taylor DE/OLB- Justin Francis DE/OLB- Andre Branch DE/OLB- Julian Miller DE/OLB- Tim Fugger OLB- Bruce Irvin DE/OLB- Louis Nzegwu LB- Nigel Bradham DE/OLB- Scott Solomon CB- Chase Minnifield DE/OLB- Jamie Blatnick CB- Leonard Johnson DL- Travian Roberston CB- Janoris Jenkins DL- JR Sweezy CB- Omar Bolden DL- Markus Kuhn S- Markelle Martin DL- Matt Conrath S- Antonio Allen DL- Taylor Thompson OT/OG- Jeff Allen DL- Dominique Hamilton OT/OG- Tony Bergstrom DL- Ryan Van Bergen OT/OG- Brandon Washington DL- Ethan Johnson OT- Zebrie Sanders DL- Jaye Howard OT- Mitchell Schwartz DL- Kheeston Randall OT- Brandon Mosley DL- Armond Armstead OG Kevin Zeitler LB- Noah Miller OG- Lucas Nix LB- Jerry Franklin C- Phillip Blake LB- Vontaze Burfict C- Ben Jones LB- Tank Carder WR- Rueben Randle LB- DJ Holt WR- Chris Givens LB- Chris Galippo WR- Jarius Wright LB- Nathan Stupar WR- Marvin McNutt S- Brandon Hardin WR- TY Hilton S- Jerron McMillian RB- Chris Polk S- Dequan Menzie RB- Bernard Pierce S- Jordan Bernstine RB- Vick Ballard S- Matt Daniels RB- LaMichael James S- Sean Richardson S- Johnson Bademosi CB/S- Neiko Thorpe CB/S- Robert Blanton CB/S- Coryell Judie CB- Asa Jackson CB- Coty Sensabaugh OG/OT- Markus Zusevics OG/OT- Nate Potter OT/OG- Tom Compton OT- Andrew Datko OT- Bryce Harris OT- Donald Stephenson OG- Adam Gettis OG- Desmond Wynn C/OG- Quentin Saulsberry TE- Brad Herman TE- George Bryan TE- Chase Ford TE- Kevin Koger RB- Jonas Gray RB- Joe Martinek RB-   Robert Turbin RB- Michael Smith RB- Terrance Ganaway RB- Brandon Bolden RB- Jeremy Stewart RB- Davin Meggett WR- Danny Coale WR- Marquis Maze WR- Keyshawn Martin WR- TJ Graham WR- Kashif Moore WR- Chris Owusu WR- Aaron Pflugrad WR- Tyler Shoemaker QB- Ryan Lindley QB- Austin Davis QB- Dan Persa QB- John Brantley  
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Vince Brown  OLB   rd5/ URA,... any possibility he would be as good as Vincent Brown of the 80s . Possible kid.. bio says hes a son, Vincent 111?  I think his nickname was  Dr Death?, the Undertaker?
    Actually he was a bit overrated and I think Chris Slade  was underated
     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12!

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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : Vince Brown  OLB   rd5/ URA,... any possibility he would be as good as Vincent Brown of the 80s . Possible kid.. bio says hes a son, Vincent 111?  I think his nickname was  Dr Death?, the Undertaker? Actually he was a bit overrated and I think Chris Slade  was underated
    Posted by mgraham


    mg,
    Don't think he's Vincent's son, different spelling of the last name and he's white.  Good length and motor and you have to be wicked smaht to go to Northwestern, which I think could appeal to BB.  I prob should've listed him as a DE/OLB vs just an OLB.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : mg, Don't think he's Vincent's son, different spelling of the last name and he's white.  Good length and motor and you have to be wicked smaht to go to Northwestern, which I think could appeal to BB.  I prob should've listed him as a DE/OLB vs just an OLB.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07



    My bad , I overlooked the  'e' .
    but it goes to show that I review and respect all your projections!

    What about Davin Megget  any blood lines there
     
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    Below is my updated board, it's been a challenge to keep the Rd 1-4 options at a total of 40 prospects.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    I like your board a lot - just curious why you don't have Trumaine Johnson there in the 2/3 range? I think I like him more than Iloku.
     
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    Posted by mgraham


    Thanks man, appreciated.

    Yes, Davin is David's son, which I think could have some appeal to BB.  Doesn't really excel at anything, but is a tough kid that plays hard and has some solid football character.  Seems to have some Benny traits.
     
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    Posted by mia76


    Thanks, man.

    Wasn't too impressed with Johnson's tackling in the tape I saw and there are questions about his attitude and off-field conduct.  Has very good size and natural ability, I just like the other DB's on my board better.
     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12!

    are we there yet?
     
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