***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED!

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    The draft for BB is all about value.  If BB sees depth at a position, he sees value in later rounds.  I think this is how he will view the WR, RB and maybe even the DT positions.  The draft is also pretty deep in 34 DE/OLB conversion types.  The one place where the draft is super thin is at S.  This is why I think Harrison Smith will be our pick at #27.

    This is sure to be met with disbelief by many on here and a reach.  But considering there isn't another S with a 2nd or possibly even a 3rd round grade and the real potential for BAL to take him at 29, Smith at 27 isn't a reach.  S is our biggest need and I'm not concerned about liabilities in coverage because I think where we were exposed a lot last year were by opposing TEs.  Smith can match up with those TEs.  Smith is also very strong in run support.  He plays with intensity, sometimes drawing flags for being too aggressive, but we've been missing that "attitude" on D since Tedy and Rodney retired. 

    Smith is such in love with the game that he skipped spring break to stay back and watch film.  He's a leader, plays with passion, is big, athletic, fluid and above all, he makes plays and seems durable.  For me, he's a must.  We can get a pass rusher at 31.

    The more I think about the DT/34DE, I think Reyes at 31 or if we want "value" why not Kheeston Randall at perhaps 96.  Is there really that much separation in the two?  Physically they are nearly identical.  Randall is a heck of a character person.  He eats blocks and double teams creating lanes for others.  He doesn't shed all that well nor does he pressure the QB very much but as a 34 DE, that's a secondary thing. 

     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : 15 is worth 1050 points on the current trade chart. 27 and 48 would equal 1100 points, 31 and 48 would equal 1020 points.
    Posted by teegee

    They say you can throw the chart out now with the rookie pay scale but assuming it is somewhat relevant, 31 and 48 to get Brockers is a deal I'd do.  Per my last post, I'd get Harrison Smith at 27 after moving up to 15 for Brockers.  Those two guys would make the draft on defense. 
     
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    just throwing this out there for those interested in some sleeper NT prospects who will probably go udfa.

    damon harrison (346 lbs) - he does not move like poe at all, but seems to have the desire to play and beat up guys.

    asa chapman (380 lbs, 6'5") - could not find a video on youtube but his images show he's not fat. off field issues with drug possession, so not likely to be a pat. i am just writing here because i am in awe of his weight.
     
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    Whats the deal with Bobby Massie?  Seems like he's just a RT but moving up some boards.
     
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    My thought is that 15 is going to be too big of a leap for the Pats to make.  If someone like Brockers were to fall into the early 20's the Pats may pounce.  I remember early in the process Brockers was being talked about as a late first and then his stock started to soar as people thought he would take the combine by storm.  He didn't.  The teams you mention might like him, but they may also address other needs; the Jets took Wilkinson last year and have serious holes on the offensive line, the Titans could use talent all over the field, and the Steelers drafted Heyward last season and could be looking for some help at CB or LB.  I wasn't suggesting a get Brockers at all costs attitude, just thinking they may trade up a few spots if he slips too far, specifically jumping ahead of the Broncos.
     
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    Interesting report and something I general agree with:

    "ESPN's Mike Reiss expects the Patriots to prioritize kick returner in this month's draft.
    Reiss lists Florida RB Chris Rainey, Arkansas WR Joe Adams, Fresno State WR Devon Wylie, and Syracuse WR Dorian Graham as potential fits. New England managed only 21.4 yards per return in 2011, which ranked them 29th in the league. Danny Woodhead (20 returns) and Julian Edelman (12) are the incumbents."

    imo Rainey should be the player. He's short (low center of gravity and can get lost behind a pile of bodies), big stout legs (lets him take a hit and keep going), and has a very quick burst and speed (sub 4.4 40 speed). He'd make an ideal return man specialist that has good hands and might be able to convert to a WR too
     
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    Interesting report and something I general agree with: " ESPN's Mike Reiss expects the Patriots to prioritize kick returner in this month's draft. Reiss lists Florida RB Chris Rainey, Arkansas WR Joe Adams, Fresno State WR Devon Wylie, and Syracuse WR Dorian Graham as potential fits. New England managed only 21.4 yards per return in 2011, which ranked them 29th in the league. Danny Woodhead (20 returns) and Julian Edelman (12) are the incumbents." imo Rainey should be the player. He's short (low center of gravity and can get lost behind a pile of bodies), big stout legs (lets him take a hit and keep going), and has a very quick burst and speed (sub 4.4 40 speed). He'd make an ideal return man specialist that has good hands and might be able to convert to a WR too
    Posted by PatsEng

    i prefer a guy who could aslo be a slot standout unless we had more picks than we do now.

    are we shopping hoyer?

     
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    ravens, bears, bengals work out konz, who slides further to us in each scenario?
     
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    Whats the deal with Bobby Massie?  Seems like he's just a RT but moving up some boards.
    Posted by Faucetman


    I like Massie, have him on my board in Rd 3, prob has Rd 2 upside.

    Good size and length, moves pretty well and can ge to the 2nd level, he's also strong at the point... a lot of experience against good competition.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : They say you can throw the chart out now with the rookie pay scale but assuming it is somewhat relevant, 31 and 48 to get Brockers is a deal I'd do.  Per my last post, I'd get Harrison Smith at 27 after moving up to 15 for Brockers.  Those two guys would make the draft on defense.  Posted by Faucetman
    I like brockers as much as anyone else here, but to me he is incomplete. No denying he has tremendous upside, but a rs sophomore costing us 2 1 sts possibly!? I don't know. I would much rather see us grab out DL in round 2 in Wolfe. I think he can play end in both fronts and maybe even on the interior. Smith at 27? It does seem like a reach. He is the 2nd rated safety in a very shallow safety class. Do we really want to waste a 1st on him just because we have the need? Again, I go back to an earlier post where I advocated drafting another corner and relegating McCourty or Moore to FS. Or maybe converting whoever we draft. Just my opinion. Randall is okay, but he's not a kid I think can start day 1 as a 3-4 de. It will take him time. Again, I think BB trades out of round 1 all together and picks up an additional 2 and 3 this year with some stuff into next year as well.
     
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    In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***": I like brockers as much as anyone else here, but to me he is incomplete. No denying he has tremendous upside, but a rs sophomore costing us 2 1 sts possibly!? I don't know. I would much rather see us grab out DL in round 2 in Wolfe. I think he can play end in both fronts and maybe even on the interior. Smith at 27? It does seem like a reach. He is the 2nd rated safety in a very shallow safety class. Do we really want to waste a 1st on him just because we have the need? Again, I go back to an earlier post where I advocated drafting another corner and relegating McCourty or Moore to FS. Or maybe converting whoever we draft. Just my opinion. Randall is okay, but he's not a kid I think can start day 1 as a 3-4 de. It will take him time. Again, I think BB trades out of round 1 all together and picks up an additional 2 and 3 this year with some stuff into next year as well.
    Posted by PatsLifer

    I don't get why Harrison Smith is rated in the mid to late 2nd.  To me he has more production than Barron and doesn't have the double hernia concerns.  I personally think Smith should have a late first, early second rating.  He has excellent size, good speed and is pretty darn fluid from what I saw at the Combine.  He's a leader, smart, big time hitter and everything you want as a Patriot.  He really reminds me of Rodney Harrison.

    I don't like the idea of moving McCourty to FS and here's why.  Can we all agree Arrington isn't a starting NFL corner?  Okay, so you are advocating for Dowling with all of two NFL games for experience and a rookie draft pick or Moore as our starting CBs.  We added an old CB in Will Allen and a back-up safety at best in Gregory.  To me, we've done little to address our problems in the 2nd worst secondary, not of last year, in the history of the NFL!!!

    I want to draft a safety who can come in with an attitude, start from day 1 and start smashing some mouths back there and making some plays.  I want to leave McCourty at CB and perhaps still draft another CB.  Dowling, McCourty, Chung and Smith to me are a nice young group of 1st round and high 2nd round picks that will be vastly improved over last year and only get better from there.

    I say Smith at 27 then get a pass rushing DE/OLB type at 31 be it McClellin, Branch, Mercilus, Jones, Curry, or whoever.  Actually, one of these guys might still be hanging around at 48.  We could either trade 31 or go off the reservation with Doug Martin, Stephen Hill or someone like that.

    I like Wolfe later on as I do Kheeston and I like Mike Martin in nickel situations replacing Pryor. 
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : I like Massie, have him on my board in Rd 3, prob has Rd 2 upside. Good size and length, moves pretty well and can ge to the 2nd level, he's also strong at the point... a lot of experience against good competition.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    Thanks MB.  He might be a nice option at 62.  I think I'd prefer taking an interior guy but you can never have enough tackles as we saw last year especially if Light is walking off into the sunset.
     
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    hey graham,

    who was your fourth binky? it did not show. i could add it.


     
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    In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***": I like brockers as much as anyone else here, but to me he is incomplete. No denying he has tremendous upside, but a rs sophomore costing us 2 1 sts possibly!? I don't know. ...
    Posted by PatsLifer


    i too am mixed about brockers. throwing in two firsts to pick up a project is just not a bb thing to do. remember the answer he gave atlanta's gm when asked about being aggressive to get julio jones? bb said no to getting a sure thing. here, is a project. 

    it's not like this team has one hole to fill. those picks are valuable to plugging as many holes as possible. 
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : I don't get why Harrison Smith is rated in the mid to late 2nd.  To me he has more production than Barron and doesn't have the double hernia concerns.  I personally think Smith should have a late first, early second rating.  He has excellent size, good speed and is pretty darn fluid from what I saw at the Combine.  He's a leader, smart, big time hitter and everything you want as a Patriot.  He really reminds me of Rodney Harrison. I don't like the idea of moving McCourty to FS and here's why.  Can we all agree Arrington isn't a starting NFL corner?  Okay, so you are advocating for Dowling with all of two NFL games for experience and a rookie draft pick or Moore as our starting CBs.  We added an old CB in Will Allen and a back-up safety at best in Gregory.  To me, we've done little to address our problems in the 2nd worst secondary, not of last year, in the history of the NFL!!! I want to draft a safety who can come in with an attitude, start from day 1 and start smashing some mouths back there and making some plays.  I want to leave McCourty at CB and perhaps still draft another CB.  Dowling, McCourty, Chung and Smith to me are a nice young group of 1st round and high 2nd round picks that will be vastly improved over last year and only get better from there. I say Smith at 27 then get a pass rushing DE/OLB type at 31 be it McClellin, Branch, Mercilus, Jones, Curry, or whoever.  Actually, one of these guys might still be hanging around at 48.  We could either trade 31 or go off the reservation with Doug Martin, Stephen Hill or someone like that. I like Wolfe later on as I do Kheeston and I like Mike Martin in nickel situations replacing Pryor. 
    Posted by Faucetman

    we could def upgrade safety and corner for sure.
    right now i think moore is a better cb than devin and holds up in his own right as a cb, ideally 3rd cb
    right now i think devin is a better safety than cb. but the thing we have to accept is that at the moment, he is not playing well enough to be a starter at either position on a super bowl team.

    and yes, arrington is a liability when he is on the field in coverage

     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : i prefer a guy who could aslo be a slot standout unless we had more picks than we do now. are we shopping hoyer?
    Posted by bredbru


    Rainey is about the same size as Welker and has at least as good of hands as Edelman so I could see him playing the slot, but in the 5th+ round range you most likely won't find a starter so I'm looking at a player that gives you the most flexibility. Rainey fits that bill as a #4/5 RB, #5/6 WR, KR/PR. Joe Adams might also be a good fit there and there are a couple of CB's that might work well too but I see Rainey as a Sproles type of returner (not a Sproles RB just returner only) or as a young version of Faulk (not prime Faulk but very early in career Faulk without the fumbles)
     
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    Was looking to find current info on Marvin Jones and found this little nugget.  

    Jones working out at Arizona along with Toney Clemons.  Right off the bat you can notice the difference on route running, Clemons rounds off his cuts while Jones has a very charge cut and comes of the break quickly.  Makes some pretty good catches.

    The more I see and hear about Jones the more I think he's a real option for the Pats in late 2nd early 3rd.  He can play inside or out, has speed, body control and hands (10" hands).  



     
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    Patriots linked to a couple of prospects with character issues...

     
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    Wouldn't be the first time they brought in character issue guys for private interviews. Mallett being the most recent case. But, generally BB avoids these types of players unless they fall almost 2 rounds lower then they should. If, Jenkins falls to #63 or even into the 3rd I can see BB taking the chance then (given the huge value for the pick) but I doubt BB would take him on with the early 2nd or 1st.

    Irvin is another guy that might drop from the 2nd round all the way to day 3. If he's there at the back of the 4th I can see the Pats taking a flyer on him but, like with Jenkins, the value will far outweighs the character concerns at that point.

    It's a matter where if they act up or do something wrong it won't hurt to kick either off the team extremely quickly. The other thing to think about is with the picks in the back of the 1st, if a team feels the value for Jenkins is in the back of the 1st and they also believe the Pats might take him it could create trade partners or at the very least cause a team to trade up allowing another player to drop to the Pats. If you think about it, if the Bronco's are the biggest threat to target Brockers (provided he falls that far) then another team trying to jump ahead of the Pats to get Jenkins could use Den as a trade partner
     
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    Interesting. Richardson apparently tweeted a picture of a Browns cap. Looks like the Browns might grab Richardson which means TB would grab Claiborne. I though it would go in reverse but who knows. That should lock in Blackmon at #6 though to the Rams.

    Updated top 10 pick mock:

    Indy - Luck
    Was - RGIII
    Viks - Kalil
    Clev - Richardson
    TB   - Claiborne
    Stl   - Blackmon
    Jax  - Floyd?
    Mia  - Tannehill (if Tannehill doesn't go top 15 expect a long fall and possible trade partner with the Pats in the back of the 1st)
    Car  - Kuechly
    Buf  - Reiff

    Not a single DT taken in the top 10. When was the last draft you could say that? 
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : hey graham, who was your fourth binky? it did not show. i could add it.
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    zebrie Sanders  OT  Fla St

    Thanks
     
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    Was looking to find current info on Marvin Jones and found this little nugget.   Jones working out at Arizona along with Toney Clemons.  Right off the bat you can notice the difference on route running, Clemons rounds off his cuts while Jones has a very charge cut and comes of the break quickly.  Makes some pretty good catches. The more I see and hear about Jones the more I think he's a real option for the Pats in late 2nd early 3rd.  He can play inside or out, has speed, body control and hands (10" hands).   http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012/03/marvin-jones-cal-wr-workout-footage.html
    Posted by Pats7393

    i think hes more polished than many. not as big as the big boys coming out. but i read at walter or one of teh better draft evaluators that he has/will have trouble getting off the line agaiinst big dbs

     
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