***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED!

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    Patriots linked to a couple of prospects with character issues...

     
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    [QUOTE]Patriots linked to a couple of prospects with character issues... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2012/04/09/the-patriots-continue-to-be-linked-with-a-couple-prospects-with-character-questions/
    Posted by Rocky[/QUOTE]

    dont think irvin is a player and much higher risk than jenkins.
    obviously im on record with jerkins as a high priority if he checks out with bb
     
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    My updated board:

    Rd 1Rd 2 Keeping an eye on:
    S- Mark  BarronS- Harrison Smith DL- Mike Martin
    DL- Fletcher CoxDE/OLB- Shea McClellin DL- Billy Winn
    DL- Michael BrockersDE/OLB- Vinny Curry DE/OLB- Andre Branch
    OLB- Courtney UpshawCB- Jayron Hosley OLB- Kyle Wilber
    CB- Dre KirkpatrickCB-Josh Robinson OLB- Bruce Irvin
    LB- Dont'a HightowerRB- Doug Martin CB- Chase Minnifield
    CB/S- Stephon GilmoreWR- Alshon Jeffery CB- Leonard Johnson
    DL- Kendall ReyesDL- Brandon Thompson S- Markelle Martin
    C- Peter KonzCB- Brandon Boykin S- Antonio Allen
    CB- Janoris JenkinsOG- Amini Silatolu OT/OG- Jeff Allen
     OT/OG- Tony Bergstrom
    Rd 3Rd 4 OT/OG- Brandon Washington
    DE/OLB- Cam JohnsonWR- Greg Childs OT- Zebrie Sanders
    WR- Marvin JonesWR- Joe Adams OT- Mitchell Schwartz
    S- George IlokaWR- Devon Wylie OT- Brandon Mosley
    DL- Derek WolfeDE/OLB- Jake Bequette OG Kevin Zeitler
    C- Ben JonesLB- Audie Cole OG- Lucas Nix
    DL- Alameda Ta'amuCB- Omar Bolden C- Phillip Blake
    RB- Chris PolkOG- Joe Looney WR- Rueben Randle
    OG/OT- Senio KelemeteCB- Shaun Prater WR- Mohamed Sanu
    CB- Casey HaywardDL- Josh Chapman WR- Chris Givens
    OT- Bobby MassieOLB- Miles BurrisWR- Ryan Broyles
    WR- Jarius Wright
    WR- Marvin McNutt
    Rd's 5-URFA
    CB- Ron Brooks
    WR- Danny Coale
    LB- Vontaze Burfict
    DL- Kheeston Randall
    C/OG- Quentin Saulsberry
    DL- Markus Kuhn
    LB- Tank Carder
    LB- Nathan Stupar
    OLB- Darius Fleming
    OLB- Vince Browne
    OLB- Tyler Nielsen
    DE/OLB- Brett Roy
    DE/OLB- Justin Francis
    DE/OLB- Julian Miller
    DE/OLB- Tim Fugger
    DE/OLB- Louis Nzegwu
    DE/OLB- Scott Solomon
    DE/OLB- Jamie Blatnick
    DL- Travian Roberston
    DL- Matt Conrath
    DL- Taylor Thompson
    DL- Dominique Hamilton
    DL- Ryan Van Bergen
    DL- Ethan Johnson
    DL- Jaye Howard
    DL- Akiem Hicks
    S- Brandon Taylor
    S- Brandon Hardin
    S- Jerron McMillian
    S- Dequan Menzie
    S- Jordan Bernstine
    S- Matt Daniels
    S- Sean Richardson
    S- Johnson Bademosi
    CB/S- Neiko Thorpe
    CB/S- Robert Blanton
    CB/S- Coryell Judie
    CB- Asa Jackson
    CB- Coty Sensabaugh
    OG/OT- Markus Zusevics
    OG/OT- Nate Potter
    OT/OG- Tom Compton
    OT- Andrew Datko
    OT- Bryce Harris
    OG- Adam Gettis
    OG- Desmond Wynn
    TE- Brad Herman
    TE- George Bryan
    TE- Chase Ford
    TE- Kevin Koger
    RB- Jonas Gray
    RB-  Robert Turbin
    RB- Jeremy Stewart
    RB- Davin Meggett
    WR- Marquis Maze
    WR- Keyshawn Martin
    WR- AJ Jenkins
    WR- TJ Graham
    WR- Kashif Moore
    WR- Chris Owusu
    WR- Aaron Pflugrad
    WR- Tyler Shoemaker
    QB- Dan Persa
    QB- John Brantley   
     
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     POSTERABCD
          
    1SeattlePat70NickPerryBrandon ThompsonJosh RobinsonBrian Quick
    2PatsengVinny CurryMrvin McNuttDerek WolfeTrumaine Johnson
    3Speedster81Michael BrockersMark BarronShea McClellinBruce Irvin
    4PatsliferBrockersBranchMcClellinRobinson
    5RameakapBarronStillMcClellinRobinson
    6Fishers5BranchBarronMcClellinStephen Hill
    7Brd/BredBrockersJenkinsCurrySanu/ Jones/ Toon/ Jeffrey/ Mcnutt
    8Brd/BredStillJenkinsCurrySanu/ Jones/ Toon/ Jeffrey/ Mcnutt
    9Pats7393Still/ ReyesMcClellinHarrison SmithMarvin Jones
    10MbBarron/ UpshawHightower/ ReyesSmith/ MartinMcClellin/ Robinson
       Rnd 3-4Jones/ Cam JohnsonChilds/ Wylie
    11TitletownfanBarronReyesMcClellinT. Johnson
    12sfpatGilmoreMcClellinWolfeM Jones
    13Mgreaham47BarronMcClellinRobinsonZerbie Sanders
    14WazzuWheatfarmerUpshawHightower/ ReyesWolfeJeffery
     
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     POSTERABCD
          
    1SeattlePat70NickPerryBrandon ThompsonJosh RobinsonBrian Quick
    2PatsengVinny CurryMrvin McNuttDerek WolfeTrumaine Johnson
    3Speedster81Michael BrockersMark BarronShea McClellinBruce Irvin
    4PatsliferBrockersBranchMcClellinRobinson
    5RameakapBarronStillMcClellinRobinson
    6Fishers5BranchBarronMcClellinStephen Hill
    7Brd/BredBrockersJenkinsCurrySanu/ Jones/ Toon/ Jeffrey/ Mcnutt
    8Brd/BredStillJenkinsCurrySanu/ Jones/ Toon/ Jeffrey/ Mcnutt
    9Pats7393Still/ ReyesMcClellinHarrison SmithMarvin Jones
    10MbBarron/ UpshawHightower/ ReyesSmith/ MartinMcClellin/ Robinson
       Rnd 3-4Jones/ Cam JohnsonChilds/ Wylie
    11TitletownfanBarronReyesMcClellinT. Johnson
    12sfpatGilmoreMcClellinWolfeM Jones
    13Mgreaham47BarronMcClellinRobinsonZerbie Sanders
    14WazzuWheatfarmerUpshawHightowerWolfeJeffery
     
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    I'm bored at work so I thought I'd try to post my entire 1st round mock and see what you guys think about who's going where.

    #1 Colts - Andrew Luck QB
    #2 Was  - RGIII QB
    #3 Minn  - Matt Kalil OT
    #4 Clev  - Trent Richardson RB
    #5 TB    - Morris Claiborne CB
    #6 Stl    - Justin Blackmon WR
    #7 Jax   - Michael Floyd WR
    #8 Mia   - Ryan Tannehill QB
    #9 Car   - Luke Kuechly ILB
    #10 Buf - Riley Reiff OT
    #11 KC  - Dontari Poe DT
    #12 Sea - Mark Ingram DE
    #13 Ari  - David DeCastro OG
    #14 Dal  - Mark Barron S
    #15 Phi  - Fletcher Cox DT
    #16 NYJ - Kendall Wright WR
    #17 Cin  - Dre Kirkpatrick CB
    #18 SD  - Quiton Coples DE
    #19 Chi  - Whitney Mercilus DE
    #20 Ten - Peter Konz C
    #21 Cin - Cody Glenn OG
    #22 Cle - Jonathan Martin OT
    #23 Det - Stephon Gilmore CB
    #24 Pit  - Mike Adams OG
    #25 Den - Stephen Hill WR*
    #26 Hou - Nick Perry DE/OLB
    #27 NE  - Michael Brockers DT
    #28 GB  - Courtney Upshaw OLB
    #29 Bal  - Dont'a Hightower ILB
    #30 SF  - Coby Fleener TE
    #31 NE  - Vinny Curry** DE/OLB
    #32 NYG - Doug Martin RB  

    As for the rest of the Pats picks I have:

    #48 Shea McClellin LB
    #63 Josh Robinson CB
    #93 Marvin McNutt/Marvin Jones WR
    #126 Chris Rainey RB/PR/KR/WR?

    * Only because of Manning demanding more WR options, otherwise this is where Brockers goes and NE takes Wolfe with #63 and trades either #27 or #31
    ** Most likely traded
     
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    Interesting news, there is now a report that Burfict (ILB) might go completely undrafted. If there was any doubt about off-field and on0field concerns affecting draft stock, this kid was debated as a possible ILB to either Ravens or Pit in the 1st round, possible even over Hightower but now this kid doesn't even look like he's draftable. Talk about a fall from grace. How badly can someone shoot themselves in the foot?
     
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    [QUOTE]I'm bored at work so I thought I'd try to post my entire 1st round mock and see what you guys think about who's going where. #1 Colts - Andrew Luck QB #2 Was  - RGIII QB #3 Minn  - Matt Kalil OT #4 Clev  - Trent Richardson RB #5 TB    - Morris Claiborne CB #6 Stl    - Justin Blackmon WR #7 Jax   - Michael Floyd WR #8 Mia   - Ryan Tannehill QB #9 Car   - Luke Kuechly ILB #10 Buf - Riley Reiff OT #11 KC  - Dontari Poe DT #12 Sea - Mark Ingram DE #13 Ari  - David DeCastro OG #14 Dal  - Mark Barron S #15 Phi  - Fletcher Cox DT #16 NYJ - Kendall Wright WR #17 Cin  - Dre Kirkpatrick CB #18 SD  - Quiton Coples DE #19 Chi  - Whitney Mercilus DE #20 Ten - Peter Konz C #21 Cin - Cody Glenn OG #22 Cle - Jonathan Martin OT #23 Det - Stephon Gilmore CB #24 Pit  - Mike Adams OG #25 Den - Stephen Hill WR* #26 Hou - Nick Perry DE/OLB #27 NE  - Michael Brockers DT #28 GB  - Courtney Upshaw OLB #29 Bal  - Dont'a Hightower ILB #30 SF  - Coby Fleener TE #31 NE  - Vinny Curry** DE/OLB #32 NYG - Doug Martin RB   As for the rest of the Pats picks I have: #48 Shea McClellin LB #63 Josh Robinson CB #93 Marvin McNutt/Marvin Jones WR #126 Chris Rainey RB/PR/KR/WR? * Only because of Manning demanding more WR options, otherwise this is where Brockers goes and NE takes Wolfe with #63 and trades either #27 or #31 ** Most likely traded
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    It's a realistic haul and one that I'd be happy with, though I'm still not sold on BB taking a DE/OLB convert in Rd 1... I do like Curry though.

    My only other nitpick would be to target a Devon Wylie or Greg Childs if they're on the board in Rd 4, though I think Childs could sneak into Rd 3.
     
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    [QUOTE]I'm bored at work so I thought I'd try to post my entire 1st round mock and see what you guys think about who's going where. #1 Colts - Andrew Luck QB #2 Was  - RGIII QB #3 Minn  - Matt Kalil OT #4 Clev  - Trent Richardson RB #5 TB    - Morris Claiborne CB #6 Stl    - Justin Blackmon WR #7 Jax   - Michael Floyd WR #8 Mia   - Ryan Tannehill QB #9 Car   - Luke Kuechly ILB #10 Buf - Riley Reiff OT #11 KC  - Dontari Poe DT #12 Sea - Mark Ingram DE #13 Ari  - David DeCastro OG #14 Dal  - Mark Barron S #15 Phi  - Fletcher Cox DT #16 NYJ - Kendall Wright WR #17 Cin  - Dre Kirkpatrick CB #18 SD  - Quiton Coples DE #19 Chi  - Whitney Mercilus DE #20 Ten - Peter Konz C #21 Cin - Cody Glenn OG #22 Cle - Jonathan Martin OT #23 Det - Stephon Gilmore CB #24 Pit  - Mike Adams OG #25 Den - Stephen Hill WR* #26 Hou - Nick Perry DE/OLB #27 NE  - Michael Brockers DT #28 GB  - Courtney Upshaw OLB #29 Bal  - Dont'a Hightower ILB #30 SF  - Coby Fleener TE #31 NE  - Vinny Curry** DE/OLB #32 NYG - Doug Martin RB   As for the rest of the Pats picks I have: #48 Shea McClellin LB #63 Josh Robinson CB #93 Marvin McNutt/Marvin Jones WR #126 Chris Rainey RB/PR/KR/WR? * Only because of Manning demanding more WR options, otherwise this is where Brockers goes and NE takes Wolfe with #63 and trades either #27 or #31 ** Most likely traded
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]
    Excellent mock! My options would include CAR going DL, Fletcher Cox being the first DT off the board, NYJ going D, CHI going OL to protect Cutler, HOU going WR to compliment Johnson, and the PATS picking Harrison Smith with 31 if they can't trade down to early in the 2nd.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : Excellent mock! My options would include CAR going DL, Fletcher Cox being the first DT off the board, NYJ going D, CHI going OL to protect Cutler, HOU going WR to compliment Johnson, and the PATS picking Harrison Smith with 31 if they can't trade down to early in the 2nd.
    Posted by teegee[/QUOTE]

    I did think about about all those possibilities but here's my rational behind going the way I did:

    Car - I thought long and hard about Cox and Poe going to Car but I really can't justify either as top 10 picks in all honesty. Car has been linked to Kuechly a number of times and with Davis having question marks about staying on the field Car might take the BPA in the front 7

    NYJ - With the Jets I thought about going D too but with Barron coming off the board I can't see them going CB early. DL, they invested a lot of money and draft picks into so I can't see them going DL early either. A rushing LB is possible but given the Holmes might talk himself off the team and there is no receivers behind Holmes they need some weapons or risk turning into a running team that can't run

    Chi - I really wanted to go OL with this pick but then I looked at the direction Chi has been taking and it's really gotten back to a smash mouth D where they will win or lose based on how the D performs. Given that I can see them wanting to tag another bookend across from Peppers. This pick though was the toughest

    Hou - This was easier then I thought it would be. With 4 WR's already off the board they can afford to wait for the next tier in the 2nd round. Here I have them taking a Williams replacement. If one of the 4 WR's I had previously mocked slip to Hou though I could easily see them taking a WR here

    I can't see Smith being taken at #31. He's to similar a player to Chung and doesn't fill the FS position as a coverage S. I think they are looking for a more athletic FS who's closer to a CB then a S to fill that role given BB's tends lately (moving McCourty to FS, Moore, Gregory)
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : It's a realistic haul and one that I'd be happy with, though I'm still not sold on BB taking a DE/OLB convert in Rd 1... I do like Curry though. My only other nitpick would be to target a Devon Wylie or Greg Childs if they're on the board in Rd 4, though I think Childs could sneak into Rd 3.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    Yeah I kind of think BB will trade #31, hence the '**' but if he doesn't either Curry or McClellin seem to fit the bill in terms of size, motor, intelligence, ability to play on the line or drop back that BB generally looks for. I can see him finally grabbing one in the back of the 1st and McClellin is more likely to make it to #48 then Curry so I went Curry at #31

    With Wylie or Childs, I already have them taking either Marvin in the 3rd so I don't see them dbl dipping in the WR pool in the draft. Not with all the off-season acquisitions. The reason I went Rainey is that he's an excellent returner (something they have been reported to target) but he also has great flexibility to be a change of pace RB to back up Woodhead and has good enough hands to play in the slot or outside as an emergency WR. Basically his versatility is what sold me on what they could be looking for
     
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    In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***": [QUOTE]I'm bored at work so I thought I'd try to post my entire 1st round mock and see what you guys think about who's going where. #1 Colts - Andrew Luck QB #2 Was  - RGIII QB #3 Minn  - Matt Kalil OT #4 Clev  - Trent Richardson RB #5 TB    - Morris Claiborne CB #6 Stl    - Justin Blackmon WR #7 Jax   - Michael Floyd WR #8 Mia   - Ryan Tannehill QB #9 Car   - Luke Kuechly ILB #10 Buf - Riley Reiff OT #11 KC  - Dontari Poe DT #12 Sea - Mark Ingram DE #13 Ari  - David DeCastro OG #14 Dal  - Mark Barron S #15 Phi  - Fletcher Cox DT #16 NYJ - Kendall Wright WR #17 Cin  - Dre Kirkpatrick CB #18 SD  - Quiton Coples DE #19 Chi  - Whitney Mercilus DE #20 Ten - Peter Konz C #21 Cin - Cody Glenn OG #22 Cle - Jonathan Martin OT #23 Det - Stephon Gilmore CB #24 Pit  - Mike Adams OG #25 Den - Stephen Hill WR* #26 Hou - Nick Perry DE/OLB #27 NE  - Michael Brockers DT #28 GB  - Courtney Upshaw OLB #29 Bal  - Dont'a Hightower ILB #30 SF  - Coby Fleener TE #31 NE  - Vinny Curry** DE/OLB #32 NYG - Doug Martin RB   As for the rest of the Pats picks I have: #48 Shea McClellin LB #63 Josh Robinson CB #93 Marvin McNutt/Marvin Jones WR #126 Chris Rainey RB/PR/KR/WR? * Only because of Manning demanding more WR options, otherwise this is where Brockers goes and NE takes Wolfe with #63 and trades either #27 or #31 ** Most likely traded Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE] Thanks PatsEng. Interesting list. Do you really think Brockers makes it all the way down to 27? I just can't see it happening. It would be a godsend, but I think he is too talented, too much upside for him to slip that far. As for Curry...I could see him cracking round 1, but I would personally rather have McClellin first, and then double up with Curry, Branch or even Wolfe in round 2. I know Wolfe is a DE, but I like doubling up either on DT or olb in this draft with some kids that can play 4-3 DE as well.
     
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    [QUOTE]In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***": Thanks PatsEng. Interesting list. Do you really think Brockers makes it all the way down to 27? I just can't see it happening. It would be a godsend, but I think he is too talented, too much upside for him to slip that far. As for Curry...I could see him cracking round 1, but I would personally rather have McClellin first, and then double up with Curry, Branch or even Wolfe in round 2. I know Wolfe is a DE, but I like doubling up either on DT or olb in this draft with some kids that can play 4-3 DE as well.
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]

    Well I can't see him being taken ahead of Cox or Poe at this point which should drop him at minimum out of the top 15. Past the top 15 there really aren't a ton of teams looking at a DT until Ten. If Ten wants to beef up their DL they will grab Brockers. If he slides past Ten the next team is Den. With Den they could go outside rusher, inside run stopper, or with Manning another WR option for him to throw to. Given it's Manning I think WR is an option to them which would drop Brockers to #27 with us

     
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    [QUOTE]I'm bored at work so I thought I'd try to post my entire 1st round mock and see what you guys think about who's going where. #1 Colts - Andrew Luck QB #2 Was  - RGIII QB #3 Minn  - Matt Kalil OT #4 Clev  - Trent Richardson RB #5 TB    - Morris Claiborne CB #6 Stl    - Justin Blackmon WR #7 Jax   - Michael Floyd WR #8 Mia   - Ryan Tannehill QB #9 Car   - Luke Kuechly ILB #10 Buf - Riley Reiff OT #11 KC  - Dontari Poe DT #12 Sea - Mark Ingram DE #13 Ari  - David DeCastro OG #14 Dal  - Mark Barron S #15 Phi  - Fletcher Cox DT #16 NYJ - Kendall Wright WR #17 Cin  - Dre Kirkpatrick CB #18 SD  - Quiton Coples DE #19 Chi  - Whitney Mercilus DE #20 Ten - Peter Konz C #21 Cin - Cody Glenn OG #22 Cle - Jonathan Martin OT #23 Det - Stephon Gilmore CB #24 Pit  - Mike Adams OG #25 Den - Stephen Hill WR* #26 Hou - Nick Perry DE/OLB #27 NE  - Michael Brockers DT #28 GB  - Courtney Upshaw OLB #29 Bal  - Dont'a Hightower ILB #30 SF  - Coby Fleener TE #31 NE  - Vinny Curry** DE/OLB #32 NYG - Doug Martin RB   As for the rest of the Pats picks I have: #48 Shea McClellin LB #63 Josh Robinson CB #93 Marvin McNutt/Marvin Jones WR #126 Chris Rainey RB/PR/KR/WR? * Only because of Manning demanding more WR options, otherwise this is where Brockers goes and NE takes Wolfe with #63 and trades either #27 or #31 ** Most likely traded
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    thats not bad man. but no o lineman?
    the first 2 might be outstanding
    like it as a whole. would like a versatile o lineman
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : I did think about about all those possibilities but here's my rational behind going the way I did: Car - I thought long and hard about Cox and Poe going to Car but I really can't justify either as top 10 picks in all honesty. Car has been linked to Kuechly a number of times and with Davis having question marks about staying on the field Car might take the BPA in the front 7 NYJ - With the Jets I thought about going D too but with Barron coming off the board I can't see them going CB early. DL, they invested a lot of money and draft picks into so I can't see them going DL early either. A rushing LB is possible but given the Holmes might talk himself off the team and there is no receivers behind Holmes they need some weapons or risk turning into a running team that can't run Chi - I really wanted to go OL with this pick but then I looked at the direction Chi has been taking and it's really gotten back to a smash mouth D where they will win or lose based on how the D performs. Given that I can see them wanting to tag another bookend across from Peppers. This pick though was the toughest Hou - This was easier then I thought it would be. With 4 WR's already off the board they can afford to wait for the next tier in the 2nd round. Here I have them taking a Williams replacement. If one of the 4 WR's I had previously mocked slip to Hou though I could easily see them taking a WR here I can't see Smith being taken at #31. He's to similar a player to Chung and doesn't fill the FS position as a coverage S. I think they are looking for a more athletic FS who's closer to a CB then a S to fill that role given BB's tends lately (moving McCourty to FS, Moore, Gregory)
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    ps have you seen where hoyer and his agent are shopping him/himslef trying to find a "starter" job?
     
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    In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***": [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : ps have you seen where hoyer and his agent are shopping him/himslef trying to find a "starter" job? Posted by bredbru[/QUOTE] Where did you see this?
     
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    If you only had pick 27 (31 traded) and these are the guys available which of these do you take?

    Reyes DE/DT
    Smith S
    Hill WR
    C. Jones DE/OLB
    McClellin DE/OLB
    Jenkins CB

    Why do I keep thinking Reyes be nice but Smith is my choice, I really like the kid.  He IMO falls into the 4 down category BB looks for in 1st rounders the other one McClellin but is he a day one 4 down guy?
     
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    [QUOTE]In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***": Where did you see this?
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]

    here you go lifer:

    http://www.nesn.com/2012/03/source-brian-hoyer-will-explore-opportunities-for-starting-quarterback-job-as-restricted-free-agent.html
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : here you go lifer: http://www.nesn.com/2012/03/source-brian-hoyer-will-explore-opportunities-for-starting-quarterback-job-as-restricted-free-agent.html
    Posted by bredbru[/QUOTE]

    adding to the myth lol

     
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    [QUOTE]If you only had pick 27 (31 traded) and these are the guys available which of these do you take? Reyes DE/DT Smith S Hill WR C. Jones DE/OLB McClellin DE/OLB Jenkins CB Why do I keep thinking Reyes be nice but Smith is my choice, I really like the kid.  He IMO falls into the 4 down category BB looks for in 1st rounders the other one McClellin but is he a day one 4 down guy?
    Posted by Pats7393[/QUOTE]

    im a pass on smith.
    dpends how low jenkins is expectred to  fall. i think he goes top rd 2 unless we get him.

    id go brockers or still then jennkins or curry (and a trade up for jenkins top rd 2). you could also risk on another corner with good physical characterstics and hope they can be a good cover. wht jenkins you knwo hes played the best.
     
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    [QUOTE]If you only had pick 27 (31 traded) and these are the guys available which of these do you take? Reyes DE/DT Smith S Hill WR C. Jones DE/OLB McClellin DE/OLB Jenkins CB Why do I keep thinking Reyes be nice but Smith is my choice, I really like the kid.  He IMO falls into the 4 down category BB looks for in 1st rounders the other one McClellin but is he a day one 4 down guy?
    Posted by Pats7393[/QUOTE]

    McClellin no doubt

    Reasoning:

    Reyes would be nice but I also think you can get Wolfe later in the draft or Martin and not have a large drop off in talent

    H. Smith to me is to similar to Chung and wouldn't be an ideal FS to BB. This past year BB trended towards quicker more athletic FS's that can also be a CB and Smith doesn't fit that bill imo

    Jones just isn't as good of a fit or as talented as McClellin imo

    Hill is very raw but with tremendous upside. If I'm making a pick at #27 though I'd want more of a sure thing. Beside McNutt and M Jones will be available later in the draft

    Jenkins, the more that comes out about him the less I want him. Now knowing in 08' he walked out on Meyes after a post game speech (which many of his fellow players didn't like), failing drug tests, being arrested for pot, being arrested for assault, getting thrown out of Florida (seriously when was the last time you saw that?), getting suspended on his new team for fighting on the field, 4 kids in 4 years with 3 women, and firing his agent with less then a month before the draft because of differences (I'll leave it at that since there are conflicting stories saying the agent couldn't put up with his diva qualities and Jenkins saying he wanted a smaller firm that could give him the attention he deserved) 

     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***

    In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***": [QUOTE]If you only had pick 27 (31 traded) and these are the guys available which of these do you take? Reyes DE/DT Smith S Hill WR C. Jones DE/OLB McClellin DE/OLB Jenkins CB Why do I keep thinking Reyes be nice but Smith is my choice, I really like the kid.  He IMO falls into the 4 down category BB looks for in 1st rounders the other one McClellin but is he a day one 4 down guy? Posted by Pats7393[/QUOTE] Hmmm...good question...let me start with saying who I wouldn't take.. I wouldn't take Reyes, Hill or Jone Jenkins and Smith on the fence. McClellin a possibility. This may be nitpicky, but I would feel better taking smith at 31 and McClellin at 31 and trading 27.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : here you go lifer: http://www.nesn.com/2012/03/source-brian-hoyer-will-explore-opportunities-for-starting-quarterback-job-as-restricted-free-agent.html
    Posted by bredbru[/QUOTE]

    This report is from March 13th, he already signed his tender so he can't go around to other teams to find a starting job  :p

    Maybe they could find a way to trade him, however, it would be in their terms. He's also already came out and said that he's excited to come back as a Pat this year and the Pats have already said they see him as a potential starter. Now this could be to drive up a trade price or it could mean Brady's replacement is going to be a competition next year between Hoyer and Mallett. The winner stays the loser leaves (in Mallett's case it would be via trade next year)
     
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    In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***": [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : Well I can't see him being taken ahead of Cox or Poe at this point which should drop him at minimum out of the top 15. Past the top 15 there really aren't a ton of teams looking at a DT until Ten. If Ten wants to beef up their DL they will grab Brockers. If he slides past Ten the next team is Den. With Den they could go outside rusher, inside run stopper, or with Manning another WR option for him to throw to. Given it's Manning I think WR is an option to them which would drop Brockers to #27 with us Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE] Agree on cox, but I can see brockers ahead of Poe. Poe's lack of production will catch up to him by draft day when the combine results wear off. Brockers is an all around better player than Poe and can play any position along the line. Given the depth at WR, I could see Denver waiting to take a WR later in the draft as well to grab an interior presence like brockers.
     
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    [QUOTE]In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***": Agree on cox, but I can see brockers ahead of Poe. Poe's lack of production will catch up to him by draft day when the combine results wear off. Brockers is an all around better player than Poe and can play any position along the line. Given the depth at WR, I could see Denver waiting to take a WR later in the draft as well to grab an interior presence like brockers.
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]

    Well the thing about Poe's lack of production is also Brockers problem, ie not enough time to prve production. I would call Brockers a one hit wonder but his numbers wouldn't even warrent that. What you are buying with both is potential. Poe showed more potential then Brockers at the combine but my money is still on Brockers (because he has a bigger motor and drive). Really it can go either way but with KC looking for a NT and Dal apparently in love with Poe if he gets past KC then Poe will be a top 15 pick, even though I don't think he is.

     
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