***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED!

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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : Faucet - I love Smith's intelligence and his ability to tackle and hit hard but there are very few I would compare to Harrison. However, it does point out what I thought of Smith, a better S closer to the line and in the box then asking him to cover intermediate to deep parts of the field in the typical FS role BB used Slater, Moore, and McCourty in last year. With Harrison being drafted in the 5th, every so often a pro-bowler is taken later then the 3rd round. Usually 1 player every 1-2 years. There have been a number of S's since Harrison has left the game that people have tried to compare to him and disappeared. Not saying Smith will disappear but I think it's more likely Smith is going to be a solid better then average S over his career (trust me that by itself is more then worth a 2nd round pick) with maybe a couple of pro-bowls but he has a way to go before reaching the level Harrison reached Posted by PatsEng
    We might be in the minority on smith. Again, like him, but I want to also consider value and where this kid should be drafted. I am still of the belief we would be better off with Moore or McCourty at fs next year, or drafting a big corner and converting vs taking smith especially with Chung and Gregory (plus others) on the roster. Cb is deep as we all know in this years draft. Why not capitalize on that? Heck, if Gilmore or kirkpatrick slipped within range, they would be great pickups and moving Moore or McCourty would work. Imagine having Ras and Gilmore/Kirkpatrick as your starting cb's with McCourty deep with Chung. Bring Moore in for nickel, Arrington in dime and that is a solid grouping. I personally like that better than adding smith to that list. Just my opinion guys.
     
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    In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12!": We might be in the minority on smith. Again, like him, but I want to also consider value and where this kid should be drafted. I am still of the belief we would be better off with Moore or McCourty at fs next year, or drafting a big corner and converting vs taking smith especially with Chung and Gregory (plus others) on the roster. Cb is deep as we all know in this years draft. Why not capitalize on that? Heck, if Gilmore or kirkpatrick slipped within range, they would be great pickups and moving Moore or McCourty would work. Imagine having Ras and Gilmore/Kirkpatrick as your starting cb's with McCourty deep with Chung. Bring Moore in for nickel, Arrington in dime and that is a solid grouping. I personally like that better than adding smith to that list. Just my opinion guys.
    Posted by PatsLifer

    lifer i have proposed the same thing you do above a couple times or 3 on this very thread. gilmore i expect to be long gone. 

    kirpatrick should be gone early 20's but a chance he is in reach to trade up.
    jenkins has a better chance to be had without a trade up (if he checked out)
    (kirpatrick has been 1/2 of my cb pick for this draft. i want him or jenkins).

     
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    Seattle, I'd pony up some minor bucks for some better video. A player that has stood out in the youtube is Lavonte David, LB Nebraska. Very quick, fast and instinctive. But may not be big enough to play LB. Can he become that hybrid LB/Safety?
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    Ha, I was just thinking the same exact thing. Watching him play, he covers man to man better than any of our LB's and safeties.Most of the draft discussion on this board has focussed on drafting 3-4 personell with our early picks even though we have played more 4 man fronts than 3-4 over the last 3 years percentage wise. Is it too radical a suggestion that we focus instead on strengthening our 4-3/4-2-5 personel rather than just focusing on strictly 3-4 guys?

    Such an approach would vault little discussed players such as Lavonte David LB Nebraska, Jared Crick DE, DT Nebraska, Malik Jackson DE Tennessee, Chandler Jones DE Syracuse,Jerel Worthy DT, Brandon Thompson DT, Devon Still DT and Derek Wolfe DE,DT Cincinatti to more prominence.

    As pertains to Safety, I would draft J.Jenkins and move McCourty to FS.Talent wise, that seems like the best option.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : Ha, I was just thinking the same exact thing. Watching him play, he covers man to man better than any of our LB's and safeties.Most of the draft discussion on this board has focussed on drafting 3-4 personell with our early picks even though we have played more 4 man fronts than 3-4 over the last 3 years percentage wise. Is it too radical a suggestion that we focus instead on strengthening our 4-3/4-2-5 personel rather than just focusing on strictly 3-4 guys? Such an approach would vault little discussed players such as Lavonte David LB Nebraska, Jared Crick DE, DT Nebraska, Malik Jackson DE Tennessee, Chandler Jones DE Syracuse,Jerel Worthy DT, Brandon Thompson DT, Devon Still DT and Derek Wolfe DE,DT Cincinatti to more prominence. As pertains to Safety, I would draft J.Jenkins and move McCourty to FS.Talent wise, that seems like the best option.
    Posted by speedster81


    That's a bit of a misnomer. We've played more sub packages then 34 fronts but when you break down individual formations we've played more 34 fronts (including variations) then we have 43 fronts.

    However, BB has and will continue to use a hybrid 34/43 system depending on situation and opponent so I think most of us are looking for the most flexible players in the early rounds. IE, interior pass rusher that can play 34 DE or 43 DT (Still, Brockers, Reyes, Wolfe), edge rusher that can play 34 OLB or 43 DE (Curry, McClellin, Branch, Perry, Upshaw), and LB's that can be coverage OLB's in 43 or move to ILB's in a 34 (Lewis, Hightower). Heck some of us are even looking at FS's who can be situational CB's or general S that can play both FS and SS
     
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    My previous mock was a "what I want NE to do."  After further consideration and looking at some of the latest player rankings (Mayock's especially), here is another version.  This version is more realistic, what I think BB will do this weekend.

    #27  I've given up on the idea of trading up more than just a few picks, if that.  At the end of the day, it just doesn't fit what BB likes to do on draft day.  I have them staying at 27 and selecting the falling Michael Brockers  DT/DE  LSU.  2 weeks ago I would have never imagined he could be available this late (and I admit the odds are still against it), but in a scenario where Denver chooses Worthy at 25, I think it could happen.  This would be a gift...

    #37 (From Clev)  BB does what he does best and selects another player with a 1st round grade, who fell a bit due to concussion issues.  Shea McClellin  OLB/DE BSU  gets the nod here.  Although the 3 concussions in college are a concern, McClellin's motor and ability win the Patriots over.  After passing on Clay Matthews several years ago, BB is happy to pounce on this pass-rusher who has drawn many comparisons to Clay.  Cleveland sends NE pick #37, their 2012 4th, & a 2013 3rd in exchange for #31, where they select QB Brandon Weeden.

    #51 (From Philly)    A suprise pick here for some, but I love the coverage skills of this Big 12 LB from Nebraska, Lavonte David.  This kid may be a bit undersized, but he plays bigger than he is, and his ability to cover slot recievers and TEs is something that NE's defense was sorely missing last season.  He has terrific speed and could also be a pass rushing asset for the Patriots.  BB keeps the annual trade streak with Andy Reid alive here, as Philly jumps up to grab Zach Brown, giving NE this pick (51), and a 2013 5th.

    #75 (From KC) Finally Pats fans can breathe a sigh of relief, as the safety position get addressed here in the form of Brandon Taylor  S  LSU.  Taylor is not the flashiest name in the draft, but he is a very solid player who will be a huge upgrade in the Patriot's secondary.  Solid player who has been battle-tested against the best conference in the country.  KC moved up to pick 62 in exchange for this pick (75) a 6th this year, and a 2013 2nd.

    #93 Josh Chapman  DT  Bama. I think this could be a classic BB "plan for the future" value pick. I think Chapman is an under-rated prospect in this class. He looks like he could fit perfectly as a NT in a 3-4, and I believe NE could draft him with the idea that he could be the replacement for Wilfork when the sad day comes when Big Vince hangs it up. Love the value here.

    #100 (From Clev) Jaye Howard DE/DT Florida  Howard could be a steal here. He was great against the run at Florida, but has the ability to penetrate the pocket with a powerful bull-rush. Played mostly on the interior of the DL in college, but has a quick enough first step to play as a 5 tech for NE.

    #126  Although already crowded at WR after a busy FA period, BB still decides to bring a talented rookie in.  Greg Childs WR Arkansas would have never been available here were it not for an ACL injury.  He has recovered well from it, however, as evidence of his outstanding Pro Day.  This guy could be the big, fast, physical outside threat that we as Patriot fans have been craving since Moss left town.  Child's relationship with college teammate Ryan Mallet probably doesn't hurt either...

    6th round (From KC)  Tom Compton OT South Dakota  6'6" OT who has pretty good footwork. Fits the mold for what BB like in OTs as far as size. Pretty raw coming from a small program, but Scar could coach this guy up really well. Likely a Practice Squad kid to begin with, but likely would develop into a valuable reserve OT with Light gone and Vollmer's back a constant worry.
     
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    ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH
    IMPACT IMPACT IMPACT
    UP UP UP.

    With all the respect in the world to Mb, PatEng, Faucet, SeattlePat and the other PHD's here, I really don't want to hear about Harrison Smith or Kendal Reyes or any of those tier two guys again.
    Haven't we had enough of Brace, Butler and Cunningham? And we don't know if Chung can stay healthy or McCourtney bounceS back or if Dowling can stay on the field. Enough with the second tier JAGs.
    Word is that half the teams drafting in the top ten are looking to trade down. We have the ammunition with the four picks in the top two rounds plus either Hoyer or Mallet. Get us a couple of impact players.
    Would 27 and 48 and Hoyer get us Minny's or Tampa Bays high pick? Would 31 and 62 and a body or 2013 pick get the Pats up to the 9-14 range where they could get a Kuelchy or Brockers?
    IT IS TIME FOR IMPACT.
    How about Blackmon and Barron both?
    Or trade with Minn and another and come away with Richardson and Kuelchy.
    Or Claiborne and Brockers.
    WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE JAGs OR SECOND ROUND BUSTS.
    SCREW IT BILL, GO AGAINST THE EXPECTATIONS AND HISTORY - TRADE UP TWICE AND GET US TWO IMPACT STUDS.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : the severity of the concussion is the issue. i had more than a handful and had no effect short or longterm.
    Posted by bredbru

    That's what you think, the rest of us aren't so sure, LOL:).
     
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    In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12!": We might be in the minority on smith. Again, like him, but I want to also consider value and where this kid should be drafted. I am still of the belief we would be better off with Moore or McCourty at fs next year, or drafting a big corner and converting vs taking smith especially with Chung and Gregory (plus others) on the roster. Cb is deep as we all know in this years draft. Why not capitalize on that? Heck, if Gilmore or kirkpatrick slipped within range, they would be great pickups and moving Moore or McCourty would work. Imagine having Ras and Gilmore/Kirkpatrick as your starting cb's with McCourty deep with Chung. Bring Moore in for nickel, Arrington in dime and that is a solid grouping. I personally like that better than adding smith to that list. Just my opinion guys.
    Posted by PatsLifer

    Maybe that's what BB will do.  But I think he drafted McCourty to play corner and was forced to play him at FS due to injury and ineffectiveness of the other S on the team.  In my opinion, to move DM to FS and drafting a rookie to replace him, you are essentially going with two rookies since DM is very new to the position, actually three rookies because Dowling only played in two games.  Do you really want three inexperienced guys starting back there?

    I would rather have DM and Dowling start at CB and draft Smith to play FS with Chung at SS.  Smith has something like 50 career starts at S and has played centerfield before so I just think it gives us a bit more experience. 

    Besides, I don't think Gilmore gets out of the low teens which means Kirkpatrick won't slip all the way to 27.  I say let's take the druggie with 5 kids from 4 women at 93 and see if he can get his act together.
     
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    thanks for the laugh man!
    i served that one up didnt i?
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : Maybe that's what BB will do.  But I think he drafted McCourty to play corner and was forced to play him at FS due to injury and ineffectiveness of the other S on the team.  In my opinion, to move DM to FS and drafting a rookie to replace him, you are essentially going with two rookies since DM is very new to the position, actually three rookies because Dowling only played in two games.  Do you really want three inexperienced guys starting back there? I would rather have DM and Dowling start at CB and draft Smith to play FS with Chung at SS.  Smith has something like 50 career starts at S and has played centerfield before so I just think it gives us a bit more experience.  Besides, I don't think Gilmore gets out of the low teens which means Kirkpatrick won't slip all the way to 27.  I say let's take the druggie with 5 kids from 4 women at 93 and see if he can get his act together.
    Posted by Faucetman

    " Besides, I don't think Gilmore gets out of the low teens which means Kirkpatrick won't slip all the way to 27.  I say let's take the druggie with 5 kids from 4 women at 93 and see if he can get his act together. "

    laughing my @ss off!
    if he fell that far, hell yeah.

    devin was served as toast all year.
    no way i put him at cb unless or until he proves to me at camp he can play like he did his first year. thats me and i hope bb feels the same. unless the goal is to lose.

     
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    What if I told you the Pats can trade both 1st round picks and come out with starters in the 2nd and 3rd rounds at positions of need?

    27 - Traded Eagles for 47 and 51, Eagles missed on Barron they won't let Smith slip by.  Getting 2 picks in the BB beloved round too tempting for him not to take.  Pats and Eagles both have a need at S but BB might think he can start Gregory (who's getting starter money) and develop a FS.

    31 - Traded Rams 2013 2nd, 39 and 171, Rams get their WR in Blackmon or Floyd but they still have OL needs.  If Bradford doesn't get time really doesn't matter who they get at WR.  With the Giants needing OT Rams although they do have the first pick of day two, can't take the chance of the last 1st round grade OT to get taken off the board.  They move to 31 to get Mike Adams.

    So Patriots end up no 1st round picks, but have a 2013 2nd, 5 2nd rnd picks and gain a 6th rounder.

    39 - Kendall Reyes DT/DE - I know he's mocked as a 1st round but have seen a number of mocks with DTs falling to the 2nd round a run at OL, Fleener and Smith moving into the 1st round.
    47 - Vinny Curry DE/OLB - I really want to put McClellin here, I believe the 3 concusions will make him slide but how far?  IMO he's the best option at OLB for the Pats but concusions are too much of a ?, see Mike Wright.
    48 - Traded - Titans, the Eagles need an OLB Zach Brown is still on the board so Titans jump eagles and draft Zach Brown OLB. NE gets 52 and 115
    51 - Brandon Boykin CB - I've watched Boykin a ton at UGA, I really like the kid.  Although a bit undersized he plays like he's 6'4" 250lbs, ok a bit over the top but he's a physical CB for his size and can play both man or zone.  Reads plays very well.  can play and has played both inside or out.  Can be used as return guy.
    52 - George Iloka FS - Iloka can develop behind Gregory and be used on STs.  He has excellent messurables but will need to develop in coverage.
    62 - Derek Wolfe DE/DT - Wolfe can replace Wright as an interior rusher his rookie year.  He and Reyes give the Pats a good pair of young 5 technic in the making.
    93 - Traded Chiefs 2012 3rd rnd, 146 and 218. KC picks up a NT Ta'amu
    115 - Jake Bequette DE/OLB - He lead the SEC in sacks in 2011, that's good enough for me to spend a 4th round pick on him.
    126 - Jarius Wright WR - Very good route runner with top end speed, can play inside or outside.  I'm not concerned with press, Pats do enough in motions ect that Wright can get off the line.  He was an excellent receiver in the SEC going against NFL ready CBs.
    146 - Andrew Datko OT - When healthy this is a kid can be a LT in the NFL, very good feet and pass protector.  Has had a history (although started every game as sophmore and junior) of shoulder injury.  Missed his senior year due to that injury.  If he's shoulder heals this could be highway robbery.  Very good OT.
    218 - Tyler Nielsen OLB - Very good in coverage, I always need to mock at least one Iowa player and Nielsen is this year's.  He can be used to cover TEs or RBs.  He's a blitzer not a pass rusher, needs to work on getting off blocks because he spent a ton of time in coverage not playing close to the LOS. Type of player coaches find hard to cut, can play STs.  

    UDFA Jonas Gray RB, this kid would had been a mid round selection but recovering from ACL.  Saw him doing some pass catching drills at Notre Dame's pro day so he seems to be recovering well. Only started for one year and needs to develop more but can be a very good power back.
     
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    What if I told you the Pats can trade both 1st round picks and come out with starters in the 2nd and 3rd rounds at positions of need? 27 - Traded Eagles for 47 and 51, Eagles missed on Barron they won't let Smith slip by.  Getting 2 picks in the BB beloved round too tempting for him not to take.  Pats and Eagles both have a need at S but BB might think he can start Gregory (who's getting starter money) and develop a FS. 31 - Traded Rams 2013 2nd, 39 and 171, Rams get their WR in Blackmon or Floyd but they still have OL needs.  If Bradford doesn't get time really doesn't matter who they get at WR.  With the Giants needing OT Rams although they do have the first pick of day two, can't take the chance of the last 1st round grade OT to get taken off the board.  They move to 31 to get Mike Adams. So Patriots end up no 1st round picks, but have a 2013 2nd, 5 2nd rnd picks and gain a 6th rounder. 39 - Kendall Reyes DT/DE - I know he's mocked as a 1st round but have seen a number of mocks with DTs falling to the 2nd round a run at OL, Fleener and Smith moving into the 1st round. 47 - Vinny Curry DE/OLB - I really want to put McClellin here, I believe the 3 concusions will make him slide but how far?  IMO he's the best option at OLB for the Pats but concusions are too much of a ?, see Mike Wright. 48 - Traded - Titans, the Eagles need an OLB Zach Brown is still on the board so Titans jump eagles and draft Zach Brown OLB. NE gets 52 and 115 51 - Brandon Boykin CB - I've watched Boykin a ton at UGA, I really like the kid.  Although a bit undersized he plays like he's 6'4" 250lbs, ok a bit over the top but he's a physical CB for his size and can play both man or zone.  Reads plays very well.  can play and has played both inside or out.  Can be used as return guy. 52 - George Iloka FS - Iloka can develop behind Gregory and be used on STs.  He has excellent messurables but will need to develop in coverage. 62 - Derek Wolfe DE/DT - Wolfe can replace Wright as an interior rusher his rookie year.  He and Reyes give the Pats a good pair of young 5 technic in the making. 93 - Traded Chiefs 2012 3rd rnd, 146 and 218. KC picks up a NT Ta'amu 115 - Jake Bequette DE/OLB - He lead the SEC in sacks in 2011, that's good enough for me to spend a 4th round pick on him. 126 - Jarius Wright WR - Very good route runner with top end speed, can play inside or outside.  I'm not concerned with press, Pats do enough in motions ect that Wright can get off the line.  He was an excellent receiver in the SEC going against NFL ready CBs. 146 - Andrew Datko OT - When healthy this is a kid can be a LT in the NFL, very good feet and pass protector.  Has had a history (although started every game as sophmore and junior) of shoulder injury.  Missed his senior year due to that injury.  If he's shoulder heals this could be highway robbery.  Very good OT. 218 - Tyler Nielsen OLB  - Very good in coverage, I always need to mock at least one Iowa player and Nielsen is this year's.  He can be used to cover TEs or RBs.  He's a blitzer not a pass rusher, needs to work on getting off blocks because he spent a ton of time in coverage not playing close to the LOS. Type of player coaches find hard to cut, can play STs.   UDFA Jonas Gray RB , this kid would had been a mid round selection but recovering from ACL.  Saw him doing some pass catching drills at Notre Dame's pro day so he seems to be recovering well. Only started for one year and needs to develop more but can be a very good power back.
    Posted by Pats7393

    lloka doesnt do well covering in zone. thats a concern

     
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    I certainly think he needs to improve but has some zone cover skills.  he was used at Boise all over the place, man zone, at CB, both S spots covered TEs and RBs so he's got experience at a number of assignments maybe too many but also BB likes guys that have shown they can be versatile. 
     
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    ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH IMPACT IMPACT IMPACT UP UP UP. With all the respect in the world to Mb, PatEng, Faucet, SeattlePat and the other PHD's here, I really don't want to hear about Harrison Smith or Kendal Reyes or any of those tier two guys again. Haven't we had enough of Brace, Butler and Cunningham? And we don't know if Chung can stay healthy or McCourtney bounceS back or if Dowling can stay on the field. Enough with the second tier JAGs. Word is that half the teams drafting in the top ten are looking to trade down. We have the ammunition with the four picks in the top two rounds plus either Hoyer or Mallet. Get us a couple of impact players. Would 27 and 48 and Hoyer get us Minny's or Tampa Bays high pick? Would 31 and 62 and a body or 2013 pick get the Pats up to the 9-14 range where they could get a Kuelchy or Brockers? IT IS TIME FOR IMPACT. How about Blackmon and Barron both? Or trade with Minn and another and come away with Richardson and Kuelchy. Or Claiborne and Brockers. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE JAGs OR SECOND ROUND BUSTS. SCREW IT BILL, GO AGAINST THE EXPECTATIONS AND HISTORY - TRADE UP TWICE AND GET US TWO IMPACT STUDS.
    Posted by pumpsiefan

    The problem pump is that we don't run the time, BB does. I'd love to trade up get get Brockers and an edge rusher (Perry, Branch, Upshaw) but I think we all realize that's not what BB does so for the most part we are looking at players in the 20+ range. That's typically the range BB will trade up into or stay put.

    As for moving up to get Blackmon and Barron well that will never happen. Blackmon will most likely cost or entire draft to move up to a top 6 pick to get. Forget the value chart as with a rookie cap those top 10 picks are gold. I mean look what it cost for Was to move up from #6 to #2. We might be able to package a #27, #48, and #93 and maybe get in range for Barron and if you package #31, #63, and the 4th and that might get you somewhere in the 15-20 range but do you really what to use every pick on two players when it's pretty much a consensus that this is a weak draft up front and the depth of the quality talent is found in the 20-50 range 

     
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    You certainly walked right into it, haha.  I'm sure you'll get me back.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : " Besides, I don't think Gilmore gets out of the low teens which means Kirkpatrick won't slip all the way to 27.  I say let's take the druggie with 5 kids from 4 women at 93 and see if he can get his act together.  " laughing my @ss off! if he fell that far, hell yeah. devin was served as toast all year. no way i put him at cb unless or until he proves to me at camp he can play like he did his first year. thats me and i hope bb feels the same. unless the goal is to lose.
    Posted by bredbru

    He was a Pro Bowler as a rookie.  Sophomore jinx!!  He'll be back.  But if Kirkpatrick is hanging around, I wouldn't mind taking him and seeing which of them can play CB.
     
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    What if I told you the Pats can trade both 1st round picks and come out with starters in the 2nd and 3rd rounds at positions of need? 27 - Traded Eagles for 47 and 51, Eagles missed on Barron they won't let Smith slip by.  Getting 2 picks in the BB beloved round too tempting for him not to take.  Pats and Eagles both have a need at S but BB might think he can start Gregory (who's getting starter money) and develop a FS. 31 - Traded Rams 2013 2nd, 39 and 171, Rams get their WR in Blackmon or Floyd but they still have OL needs.  If Bradford doesn't get time really doesn't matter who they get at WR.  With the Giants needing OT Rams although they do have the first pick of day two, can't take the chance of the last 1st round grade OT to get taken off the board.  They move to 31 to get Mike Adams. So Patriots end up no 1st round picks, but have a 2013 2nd, 5 2nd rnd picks and gain a 6th rounder. 39 - Kendall Reyes DT/DE - I know he's mocked as a 1st round but have seen a number of mocks with DTs falling to the 2nd round a run at OL, Fleener and Smith moving into the 1st round. 47 - Vinny Curry DE/OLB - I really want to put McClellin here, I believe the 3 concusions will make him slide but how far?  IMO he's the best option at OLB for the Pats but concusions are too much of a ?, see Mike Wright. 48 - Traded - Titans, the Eagles need an OLB Zach Brown is still on the board so Titans jump eagles and draft Zach Brown OLB. NE gets 52 and 115 51 - Brandon Boykin CB - I've watched Boykin a ton at UGA, I really like the kid.  Although a bit undersized he plays like he's 6'4" 250lbs, ok a bit over the top but he's a physical CB for his size and can play both man or zone.  Reads plays very well.  can play and has played both inside or out.  Can be used as return guy. 52 - George Iloka FS - Iloka can develop behind Gregory and be used on STs.  He has excellent messurables but will need to develop in coverage. 62 - Derek Wolfe DE/DT - Wolfe can replace Wright as an interior rusher his rookie year.  He and Reyes give the Pats a good pair of young 5 technic in the making. 93 - Traded Chiefs 2012 3rd rnd, 146 and 218. KC picks up a NT Ta'amu 115 - Jake Bequette DE/OLB - He lead the SEC in sacks in 2011, that's good enough for me to spend a 4th round pick on him. 126 - Jarius Wright WR - Very good route runner with top end speed, can play inside or outside.  I'm not concerned with press, Pats do enough in motions ect that Wright can get off the line.  He was an excellent receiver in the SEC going against NFL ready CBs. 146 - Andrew Datko OT - When healthy this is a kid can be a LT in the NFL, very good feet and pass protector.  Has had a history (although started every game as sophmore and junior) of shoulder injury.  Missed his senior year due to that injury.  If he's shoulder heals this could be highway robbery.  Very good OT. 218 - Tyler Nielsen OLB  - Very good in coverage, I always need to mock at least one Iowa player and Nielsen is this year's.  He can be used to cover TEs or RBs.  He's a blitzer not a pass rusher, needs to work on getting off blocks because he spent a ton of time in coverage not playing close to the LOS. Type of player coaches find hard to cut, can play STs.   UDFA Jonas Gray RB , this kid would had been a mid round selection but recovering from ACL.  Saw him doing some pass catching drills at Notre Dame's pro day so he seems to be recovering well. Only started for one year and needs to develop more but can be a very good power back.
    Posted by Pats7393

    You're right BB would probably do it but I hope not.  Also, just learned that Gregory was also suspended for use of performance enhancing drugs at SD.  He hasn't been the same player since he got off the juice.  I have no hopes for Gregory.  I think Ihedigbo was better and that isn't saying much. 

    Mayock has Harrison Smith rated at 28, one ahead of Brockers at 29!! If Mayock thinks Smith is this good, I'm not going to argue with the draft guru who was also a DB.  Plus, I happen to agree.
     
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    My previous mock was a "what I want NE to do."  After further consideration and looking at some of the latest player rankings (Mayock's especially), here is another version.  This version is more realistic, what I think BB will do this weekend. #27  I've given up on the idea of trading up more than just a few picks, if that.  At the end of the day, it just doesn't fit what BB likes to do on draft day.  I have them staying at 27 and selecting the falling Michael Brockers  DT/DE  LSU.   2 weeks ago I would have never imagined he could be available this late (and I admit the odds are still against it), but in a scenario where Denver chooses Worthy at 25, I think it could happen.  This would be a gift... #37 (From Clev)  BB does what he does best and selects another player with a 1st round grade, who fell a bit due to concussion issues.  Shea McClellin  OLB/DE BSU   gets   the nod here.  Although the 3 concussions in college are a concern, McClellin's motor and ability win the Patriots over.  After passing on Clay Matthews several years ago, BB is happy to pounce on this pass-rusher who has drawn many comparisons to Clay.  Cleveland sends NE pick #37, their 2012 4th, & a 2013 3rd in exchange for #31, where they select QB Brandon Weeden. #51 (From Philly)    A suprise pick here for some, but I love the coverage skills of this Big 12 LB from Nebraska, Lavonte David.  This kid may be a bit undersized, but he plays bigger than he is, and his ability to cover slot recievers and TEs is something that NE's defense was sorely missing last season.  He has terrific speed and could also be a pass rushing asset for the Patriots.  BB keeps the annual trade streak with Andy Reid alive here, as Philly jumps up to grab Zach Brown, giving NE this pick (51), and a 2013 5th. #75 (From KC) Finally Pats fans can breathe a sigh of relief, as the safety position get addressed here in the form of Brandon Taylor  S  LSU.   Taylor is not the flashiest name in the draft, but he is a very solid player who will be a huge upgrade in the Patriot's secondary.  Solid player who has been battle-tested against the best conference in the country.  KC moved up to pick 62 in exchange for this pick (75) a 6th this year, and a 2013 2nd. #93 Josh Chapman  DT  Bama . I think this could be a classic BB "plan for the future" value pick. I think Chapman is an under-rated prospect in this class. He looks like he could fit perfectly as a NT in a 3-4, and I believe NE could draft him with the idea that he could be the replacement for Wilfork when the sad day comes when Big Vince hangs it up. Love the value here. #100 (From Clev)  Jaye Howard DE/DT Florida   Howard could be a steal here. He was great against the run at Florida, but has the ability to penetrate the pocket with a powerful bull-rush. Played mostly on the interior of the DL in college, but has a quick enough first step to play as a 5 tech for NE. #126  Although already crowded at WR after a busy FA period, BB still decides to bring a talented rookie in.  Greg Childs WR Arkansas would have never been available here were it not for an ACL injury.  He has recovered well from it, however, as evidence of his outstanding Pro Day.  This guy could be the big, fast, physical outside threat that we as Patriot fans have been craving since Moss left town.  Child's relationship with college teammate Ryan Mallet probably doesn't hurt either... 6th round (From KC)   Tom Compton OT South Dakota   6'6" OT who has pretty good footwork. Fits the mold for what BB like in OTs as far as size. Pretty raw coming from a small program, but Scar could coach this guy up really well. Likely a Practice Squad kid to begin with, but likely would develop into a valuable reserve OT with Light gone and Vollmer's back a constant worry.
    Posted by WazzuWheatfarmer



    This right here is my favorite mock!!!! Lavonte David and Shea McClellin are two of my favorite players in this years draft. Lavonte really reminds me a lot of Derrick Brooks. I know its a bit audacious to compare a kid coming into the league to a Hall of Famer but their style is eerily similar. I could see BB using him as a LB/S hybrid in a ' Big' Nickel package or as a pure Strong Safety in Base. Also a fan of Josh Chapman and Jaye Howard. Malik Jackson is another sleeper who I think might even prove to be a better player than any 4-3 DE taken this year.

     
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    Here's my attempt at trying to predict BB, who always goes against the grain

    27 - S. Hill WR - BB doesn't like the value of the available defenders.  Takes the BPA, the next Randy Moss
    31 - Silatolu OT - BB believes OL is the biggest area of need. Best OT available with huge upside.
    48 - Ta'amu DT - Value pick. Space eater next to Wilfork
    63 - Wolfe DT/DE - Value pick. Fills DE role
    95 - Boykin CB - Great Value. Allows McCourtney/Dowling to move to safety
    126 - Dennard CB - Great Value (Walters has him going in the 5th round).

    Pats fill needs at key position and get the WR with the highest upside. BB expects Cunningham and M. Carter will step up at OLB next year.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : You're right BB would probably do it but I hope not.  Also, just learned that Gregory was also suspended for use of performance enhancing drugs at SD.  He hasn't been the same player since he got off the juice.  I have no hopes for Gregory.  I think Ihedigbo was better and that isn't saying much.  Mayock has Harrison Smith rated at 28, one ahead of Brockers at 29!! If Mayock thinks Smith is this good, I'm not going to argue with the draft guru who was also a DB.  Plus, I happen to agree. Posted by Faucetman
    I totally agree with Mayock I like Smith but also think a value of picks returned to Smith BB might opt to go with the trade. That was my best BB impersonation mock. If I was the GM I would go Smith, Reyes, McClellin (I take the risk), Wolfe, Marvin Jones, Bequette
     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12!

    So it's approx 47 or so hours before the draft and I've had a bit of an epiphany while watching some film tonight...

    I'm basing it mostly on his jersey # (56) and his "out there like a bunch of crazed dogs" playing style on the field, and the assumption that it may cause BB to have visions of his past...

    BB will draft Ronnell Lewis at 62 if he doesn't target a LB (Upshaw/Hightower, etc.) higher in the draft.

    This kid makes a ton of sense for NE, doesn't have that ideal height/length but has adequate size (6-2 255), excellent game/field speed and athleticism... instinctive, excellent range and can stack/shed vs. the run... has the strength to set the edge, has the speed/quicks/COD/athleticism to play in space/coverage has positional versatility with the ability to play inside and out in both even and odd fronts to go along with a rabid motor and ferocious playing temperament... also has all pro potential on ST.  Loads of upside overall, IMO.

    Yes, I'm sober.
     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12!

    well MB Lewis at #63 does make a ton of sense if they don't get one earlier. I'd hope for more of a pure pass rusher with some coverage ability but Lewis is less of a DE convert and more of a pure LB. He can play anywhere along the LB line and be effective in either a 34 or 43, just not as a 43 DE lol. Lewis to me would be just another solid addition and not that impact player we've been looking for but definitely a solid good starter who might earn a pro-bowl once or twice in his career. 
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : He was a Pro Bowler as a rookie.  Sophomore jinx!!  He'll be back.  But if Kirkpatrick is hanging around, I wouldn't mind taking him and seeing which of them can play CB.
    Posted by Faucetman


    thanks for the post.
    i saw his first year.
    he was prety good.
    last year he could not cover to save his life. he was one of the worst in teh league.
    pats are not going ot get a real db coach. so you cant count on that help.
    he made plays at safety. hes ok there as a backup.
    othewise as i said, if he proves himslef against lloyd and co in camp, then id think about givign him another try at cb
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : You're right BB would probably do it but I hope not.  Also, just learned that Gregory was also suspended for use of performance enhancing drugs at SD.  He hasn't been the same player since he got off the juice.  I have no hopes for Gregory.  I think Ihedigbo was better and that isn't saying much.  Mayock has Harrison Smith rated at 28, one ahead of Brockers at 29!! If Mayock thinks Smith is this good, I'm not going to argue with the draft guru who was also a DB.  Plus, I happen to agree.
    Posted by Faucetman

    i think he is a player in the box.
    overall a marginal risk.
    if we get him and hes good, im happy.
    i wouldnt be picking him.

     
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