***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED!

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    [QUOTE]Ok lets hear you top 3 wish list in wach position that the Pats most likely will pick. The positions I'm looking at are WR, CB, DE/DT, OLB/DE, everything else, S (for S I include CB conversions). You can list any players, for myself I'm only listing players I think will be available where the Pats actually pick and in the order I'd want them. Lets see if BB takes a single player from anyones list WR: Marvin McNutt Marvin Jones T.Y. HIlton CB: Josh Robinson Dwight Bentley Brandon Boykin S: Alfonzo Dennard Trumaine Johnson DeQuan Menzie OLB/DE: Vinny Curry Shea McClellin Courtney Upshaw (up next - Nick Perry, Andre Branch) DE/DT: Derek Wolfe (I honestly think this kid is going to be something special) Kendell Reyes Devon Still (I left Brockers and Cox off the list as I think they will be long gone) Everything else: Chris Rainey RB/KR/WR (this kid is the do all I want, the next Faulk as it were) David Molk C (sized up a bit now he's about Koppens size, tremendous strength) Brandon Brooks G/T (watch out for this kid, this is the small school sleeper Scar loves to find)
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]


    WR:

    Marvin Jones
    Greg Childs
    Devon Wylie/Joe Adams
    (Danny Coale is my top WR in Rd 5-7) 

    OL: 

    Amini Silatolu OG
    Bobby Massie OT
    Senio Kelemete OG

    CB:

    Josh Robinson
    Jayron Hosley
    Ron Brooks

    S:

    Mark BarronHarrison SmithGeorge Iloka/Brandon Taylor

    OLB/DE:

    Courtney Upshaw
    Donta Hightower
    Shea McClellin
    (up next – Cam Johnson, Ronnell Lewis, Jake Bequette)

    DE/DT:

    Kendall Reyes
    Brandon Thompson
    Derek Wolfe/
    Alameda Ta’amu
    (Assuming Cox/Brockers are off the board)

    Everything else:

    LB Miles Burris-
    Love to see this kid running around Foxboro, lighting dudes up!

    RB Doug Martin- I think he’s a legit lead/3-down back at the NFL level.

    RB Jonas Gray- Could provide some late round value, kid is built like a tank (5-10 230) and has very good speed/quicks. 

    RB LaMichael James- Electric with the ball in his hands, elite speed/quicks/COD that is a consistent threat on the perimeter or in space.  He’s prob redundant with Woody on the roster, but he intrigues me nonetheless. 
     
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    I have one more mock I will be doing, with trades before Thursday.  This is a no trade 2 round mock.  

    Pick Team Position Player
    1 Indianapolis QB Andrew Luck
    2 Washington (StL) QB Robert Griffin III
    3 Minnesota OT Matt Kalil
    4 Cleveland RB Trent Richardson
    5 Tampa Bay CB Morris Claiborne
    6 St. Louis (Was) WR Justin Blockmon
    7 Jacksonville WR Michael Floyd
    8 Miami OLB Melvin Ingram
    9 Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore
    10 Buffalo OT Riley Reiff
    11 Kansas City MLB Luke Kuechly
    12 Seattle DE Quinton Couples
    13 Arizona OLB Courtney Upshaw
    14 Dallas S Mark Barron
    15 Philadelphia DE/DT Fletcher Cox
    16 New York Jets OG David DeCastro
    17 Cincinnati (Oak) CB Dre Kirkpatrick
    18 San Diego OG/OT Cordy Glenn
    19 Chicago DE Nick Perry
    20 Tennessee DT Dontari Poe
    21 Cincinnati DE Andre Branch
    22 Cleveland (Atl) QB Ryan Tannehill
    23 Detroit CB Janoris Jenkins
    24 Pittsburgh OT Jonathan Martin
    25 Denver DT Michael Brockers
    26 Houston WR Kendall Wright
    27 New England (NO) DE/DT Kendall Reyes
    28 Green Bay OLB Shea McClellin
    29 Baltimore ILB Donta Hightower
    30 San Francisco OG/OC Peter Konz
    31 New England DE/DT Devon Still
    32 New York Giants RB Doug Martin
    33 St. Louis OT Mike Adams
    34 Indianapolis TE Cody Fleener
    35 Minnesota WR Stephen Hill
    36 Tampa Bay OLB Zack Brown
    37 Cleveland WR Rueben Randle
    38 Jacksonville DE Whitney Mercilus
    39 St. Louis (Was) OG Kevin Zeitler
    40 Carolina WR Mohammed Sanu
    41 Buffalo TE Dwayne Allen
    42 Miami QB Brock Osweiler
    43 Seattle DT Jerel Worthy
    44 Kansas City OLB  Vinny Curry
    45 Dallas S Harrison Smith
    46 Philadelphia OLB Lavonte David
    47 New York Jets WR Alshon Jeffery
    48 New England (Oak) OLB/DE Chandler Jones
    49 San Diego DE/DT Billy Winn
    50 Chicago OT Bobby Massie
    51 Philadelphia (Arz) S George Iloka
    52 Tennessee CB Josh Robinson
    53 Cincinnati WR Chris Givens
    54 Detroit OT Kelechi Osemele
    55 Atlanta OG Amini Silatolu
    56 Pittsburgh NT Alameda Ta'amu
    57 Denver RB Lamar Miller
    58 Houston NT Josh Chapman
      NO Forfeited    
    59 Green Bay CB Jayron Hosley
    60 Baltimore WR Juron Criner
    61 San Francisco DT Brandon Thompson
    62 New England CB/S Trumaine Johnson
    63 New York Giants TE Orson Charles
           
    93 New England RB Robert Turbin
    126 New England WR Marvin Jones
     
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    I really like Burris, MB, but I really question his size. The guy flies around the field but can he be affective against bigger OL's and against stronger RB's? I'd have huge question marks if he can be anything more then a 43 OLB which limits his flexibility. He might be better off losing weight and becoming a larger SS or try had to gain weight and become a 34 ILB
     
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    [QUOTE]Guys, sorry I haven't keep up with everyone's post, been crazy busy lately.  Heard that McClellin has had 3 concussions in college.  That's a big red flag!!  I don't know if I would draft him now until perhaps late 2nd and that assumes a good medical report.  Concussions ended Mike Wright, Ted Johnson and many other careers. Mb, I love the work you've done on your board.  I think it clear that unless we are planning a big move up (which I doubt), the top 3 guys plus Gilmore will be long gone.  I strongly believe that PIT will take Hightower at 24.  If they don't he becomes a solid option at 27.  But if Kirkpatrick and Upshaw are also both there it becomes a tough call, IMO.  We need secondary help so bad that I think Kirkpatrick would be too tempting not to take at this point. However, my sleeper pick remains Harrison Smith and you have him there in the 1-2 round.  I strongly feel that our hole at FS is so big and obvious that to have a chance to fill it and pass would be a mistake unless BB feels he can get him at 31 or a little later on with a trade back.  I don't know that I'd chance it.  I don't want to convert McCourty to FS, and I don't want to use slot receivers as nickel backs.  I prefer to draft a S to play FS and I think Smith can do that and start from Day 1. As for your other 1-2 round guys, I like them all but feel that BB is all about value.  We know this.  Therefore I don't see a lot of separation between Reyes and some of the guys that could be had later like Wolfe and Randall.  I also don't see a lot of separation between Thompson, Ta'amu and Martin.  We blew a high 2nd on that bum Ron Brace and unless he emerges healthy and in beast mode, he could be cut.  So, if we can't get one of the elites, Cox or Brockers, I think we should hold off on DL until at least 62 and possibly later if we move back from 62.  I love Martin and Wolfe as much as all the guys rated higher except Cox and Brockers. Curry is an interesting cat but he's probably just a 43 DE.  I don't see him standing up.  With Trevor Scott in the fold and Andre Carter probably coming back after he clears medically, I don't see a lot of need at rush DE if that player is only a rush DE which I think Curry is.  I would love to see us draft a guy who can play both 34 OLB and 43 DE.  Ninko is not the answer.  Upshaw could be as could Branch along with a guy you don't have on your list in Chandler Jones. I love Doug Martin, late 1st, early 2nd if we trade back.  I don't think both FBs we brought in will stick.  They do the same things so I think we see who is best in camp and the other gets cut.  This leaves us with 4 RBs and Vereen hasn't been healthy.  I think Doug Martin is a work horse who is excellent as a receiver.  So if we are looking at the draft as a way to improve immediately, I think Martin can come in and contribute right away and may even beat out Ridley as our #1 back.  So for me, that's great value late 1st, early 2nd. I don't see us touching a WR early if at all.  We'd have to cut 2 to make room for 1 and that's assuming we count Slater as a DB.  Like others, I do think if we can get a slot guy who is excellent in the return game, we might just do that.  I love Ryan Broyles because he is a stud who represents value who we could tuck away on the PUP to start the year as insurance.  I also like Adams, Hilton and Wright later on and I think LaMicheal James could also be an X-factor player who can run, play a little slot and be a beast in the return game.
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]


    Guys, sorry I haven't keep up with everyone's post, been crazy busy lately.  Heard that McClellin has had 3 concussions in college.  That's a big red flag!!  I don't know if I would draft him now until perhaps late 2nd and that assumes a good medical report.  Concussions ended Mike Wright, Ted Johnson and many other careers. Didn’t know that, thanks for the info.  Def something to take into consideration.

    Mb, I love the work you've done on your board.  I think it clear that unless we are planning a big move up (which I doubt), the top 3 guys plus Gilmore will be long gone.  I strongly believe that PIT will take Hightower at 24.  If they don't he becomes a solid option at 27.  But if Kirkpatrick and Upshaw are also both there it becomes a tough call, IMO.  We need secondary help so bad that I think Kirkpatrick would be too tempting not to take at this point.
     Thanks, man!  Agreed, tough call if it comes down to Hightower, Kirkpatrick and Upshaw at 27… a case could be made for all three, but would be happy with any of them.

    However, my sleeper pick remains Harrison Smith and you have him there in the 1-2 round.  I strongly feel that our hole at FS is so big and obvious that to have a chance to fill it and pass would be a mistake unless BB feels he can get him at 31 or a little later on with a trade back.  I don't know that I'd chance it.  I don't want to convert McCourty to FS, and I don't want to use slot receivers as nickel backs.  I prefer to draft a S to play FS and I think Smith can do that and start from Day 1.
     If they feel comfortable with Smith in Rd 1, they should fill out the card and send it in, wouldn’t get a complaint from me!  Definite Top 50 kid, IMO.

    As for your other 1-2 round guys, I like them all but feel that BB is all about value.  We know this.  Therefore I don't see a lot of separation between Reyes and some of the guys that could be had later like Wolfe and Randall.  I also don't see a lot of separation between Thompson, Ta'amu and Martin.  We blew a high 2nd on that bum Ron Brace and unless he emerges healthy and in beast mode, he could be cut.  So, if we can't get one of the elites, Cox or Brockers, I think we should hold off on DL until at least 62 and possibly later if we move back from 62.  I love Martin and Wolfe as much as all the guys rated higher except Cox and Brockers.
     I wouldn’t put Randall in the same conversation as Reyes or Wolfe, both of the latter move far better and have more scheme versatility, IMO.  I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think you pass on a kid because you bombed on Brace a few years back.
    Curry is an interesting cat but he's probably just a 43 DE.  I don't see him standing up.  With Trevor Scott in the fold and Andre Carter probably coming back after he clears medically, I don't see a lot of need at rush DE if that player is only a rush DE which I think Curry is.  I would love to see us draft a guy who can play both 34 OLB and 43 DE.  Ninko is not the answer.  Upshaw could be as could Branch along with a guy you don't have on your list in Chandler Jones.
     I think they questions on Curry would apply to others like Mercilus and Jones etc… Not sure any of them are ideal fits at 34 OLB, especially Mercilus.  Jones is another kid that I’ve watched and I’m not sure he has the short area quicks/COD to work there fulltime.   I’m definitely intrigued by Ronnell Lewis and Bruce Irvin (more natural 34 OLB’s).  The former has a HUGE motor, is extremely physical, has a very good first step and athleticism and would also impact on ST and the latter for all of his off field questions has huge upside as an edge rusher, but would prob be a situational pass rusher only at this point.  Landing one of those kids in Rd 3 would be awesome.

    I love Doug Martin, late 1st, early 2nd if we trade back.  I don't think both FBs we brought in will stick.  They do the same things so I think we see who is best in camp and the other gets cut.  This leaves us with 4 RBs and Vereen hasn't been healthy.  I think Doug Martin is a work horse who is excellent as a receiver.  So if we are looking at the draft as a way to improve immediately, I think Martin can come in and contribute right away and may even beat out Ridley as our #1 back.  So for me, that's great value late 1st, early 2nd.
     I agree on Martin, huge fan.

    I don't see us touching a WR early if at all.  We'd have to cut 2 to make room for 1 and that's assuming we count Slater as a DB.  Like others, I do think if we can get a slot guy who is excellent in the return game, we might just do that.  I love Ryan Broyles because he is a stud who represents value who we could tuck away on the PUP to start the year as insurance.  I also like Adams, Hilton and Wright later on and I think LaMicheal James could also be an X-factor player who can run, play a little slot and be a beast in the return game.
     I could see a WR as high as Rd 2, but more realistically I think you could see one in Rd 3 or 4 or if they trade back into Rd 5-7, etc. I too am intrigued by James’ potential in space/on the perimeter… huge big play ability.
     
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    [QUOTE]I really like Burris, MB, but I really question his size. The guy flies around the field but can he be affective against bigger OL's and against stronger RB's? I'd have huge question marks if he can be anything more then a 43 OLB which limits his flexibility. He might be better off losing weight and becoming a larger SS or try had to gain weight and become a 34 ILB
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    I don't deny the size limitations, but think he shouldn't have issue playing at around 240, providing depth at 34 ILB, 43 OLB, situational edge rusher with some blitz ability, etc.  I also think he has impact ability on ST.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : I don't deny the size limitations, but think he shouldn't have issue playing at around 240, providing depth at 34 ILB, 43 OLB, situational edge rusher with some blitz ability, etc.  I also think he has impact ability on ST.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    Yes but do we already have that kid in Jeff Tarpinian? I really liked Tarp before he was injured and I think they liked him too, since he was on the 53 man squad and actually started a game.

    As much as I like Burris he might be to much like Tarp. I'm not sure if I could use even a mid round pick on a player that is similar to another non-starter currently
     
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    [QUOTE]As most know my early comments were based mostly on reading consensus and I had not seen much video of most players. I have now had an opportunity to watch a bit more now on some players and here are some thoughts for what ever it's worth. * I was very disappointed watching Trumaine Johnson. I did not see anything I read about him in the film clips I watched other than he is big. His coverage is eh and I don't think he can tackle that great. * Harrison smith, I think he covers better than he tackles so not sure why people think of him as a strong safety over a free safety. * Barron looks light years better than Smith to me and if the Pats have no plans to move McCourtey and draft CB's then I would seriously considered trading up for Barron if he gets close. * Andre Branch and Bruce Irvin are the two most explosive pass rushers I've watched so far. Are they the best all around probably not but they seem the most over all athletic to me that I have watched. I have not watched Ronnell or McClellin yet. If the Pats want a specialist those two seem best suited for it. I would take either of them as a pass rusher over Upshaw, Curry, Mercilus, or Jones. Those guys all seem better against the run though especially as DE's so depends on what NE is looking for. * I like Mohammed Sanu a lot. * I love David Wilson. Best I've seen since LeSean McCoy. Incredible balance and can make something out of nothing all on his own. The remaining three that are also impressive are Doug Martin, Chris Polk, and Chris Rainey. Polk has that same funny running style as Roy Helu who I liked alot last year but doesn't have that elite quickness Helu had. Polk does a very good job setting up his blocks and has excellent vision though. * I think Cricks pectoral injury has caused him to be underrated. He's relentless and always in the back field and chasing guys down from all over the field. Plus he doesn't fall into the Patriot 300lb range but he's a player. * In watching film on Andre Branch I think the whole clemson line stood out and Brandon Thompson caught my eye as well. * There are a lot of receivers that look good like every year and I think it's very difficult to evaluate them in the college game. * Its also very difficult to evaluate the CB's using the youtube video clips cause you can not often see them with enough regularity for the entirety of the plays. * The only video of linemen I have really watch was the one of silatolu where he was rag-dolling defenders left and right and obviously we all thought or found that impressive. * Not sure I ever saw Brockers get washed away in any play no matter a double or triple team. Cox however needs to be taught how to anchor. More pass rush push but can be completely blown away on a double team. Still seems a lil bit of a combination of the two. * OK just watched some McClellin. Well rounded. The best thing is that he is used to being lined up and playing all over the place. He does try to be a bit too clever at times on the outside taking an inside rush even though there is no stunt on and giving up outside containment but over all he's always around the ball and working hard.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]

    Low,
    A couple of comments.

    *I agree with you on Trumaine Johnson, looks the part, but I'm not a huge fan.  I also don't think he tackles well enough to move to S.

    *I think Harrison is solid as both a tackler and cover guy, agree that he should/would be a solid S in NE.

    *Welcome to the Barron Fan Club ;)

    *I agree with you on Crick, he's 43 only for me.

    *I was def more impressed than I though I would be with Branch & Thompson.

    *That Silatolu video was fun too watch, bordered on hilarious watching him Gronk Smash kids all over the field.

    *Think I remember Brockers getting washed maybe once, but if he plays with leverage, he controls the LOS.

    *Irvin is an intriguing situational edge rusher for sure.
     
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    I keep tabs (probably as most of you do), on the various mock draft sites. Found this one on Walterfootball...I found it interesting, but also interesting in terms of who the Pats selected at 27. 

    "No one really knows what Bill Belichick plans on doing with his two first-round picks, but a well-informed source told us the Patriots will draft with the 27th pick and trade the 31st selection. " Pats 27th Pick - Shea McClellin

    IF the Pats do keep 31, that pick would be Harrison Smith. 

    Thoughts?
     
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    [QUOTE]I keep tabs (probably as most of you do), on the various mock draft sites. Found this one on Walterfootball...I found it interesting, but also interesting in terms of who the Pats selected at 27.  " No one really knows what Bill Belichick plans on doing with his two first-round picks, but a well-informed source told us the  Patriots will draft with the 27th pick and trade the 31st selection . " Pats 27th Pick - Shea McClellin IF the Pats do keep 31, that pick would be Harrison Smith.  Thoughts?
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]

    My initial thought was, there are no "well-informed source(s)" around the NE program... BB lets the media know what he wants it to know.

    At the same time, both names make plenty of sense. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : My initial thought was, there are no "well-informed source(s)" around the NE program... BB lets the media know what he wants it to know. At the same time, both names make plenty of sense. 
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    I agree. I don't those decisions get made until BB sees how the draft plays itself out...or in almost real-time. I don't know how anyone can go into the draft and say, "We'll trade pick 31". You might have that general feeling based on how the talent is stack ranked, but if anyone slips based on how the draft plays out, I bet BB would use pick 31. 
     
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    Back to the Walterfootball latest mock...What I really loved about that mock is the Jets taking Chandler Jones middle of round 1. I for one am not as high as some on Jones, and think he has Gholston written all over him, less the big school name. Would love if the Jets took him instead of Upshaw, Barron, etc. 
     
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    BTW...I would love if Upshaw slipped all the way to 27 for us. He would be my pick no questions asked. I would play him both inside and out. We could use him inside with Spikes on running downs, kick Mayo outside, or use him outside on passing downs, kick Mayo inside. I like Upshaw used all over the place. 
     
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    [QUOTE]I keep tabs (probably as most of you do), on the various mock draft sites. Found this one on Walterfootball...I found it interesting, but also interesting in terms of who the Pats selected at 27.  " No one really knows what Bill Belichick plans on doing with his two first-round picks, but a well-informed source told us the  Patriots will draft with the 27th pick and trade the 31st selection . " Pats 27th Pick - Shea McClellin IF the Pats do keep 31, that pick would be Harrison Smith.  Thoughts?
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]

    And by well informed source they mean me. Seriously anyone that has followed the Pats knows if they have 2 1st round picks they tend to use 1 (typically not theirs) and trade the other (typically theirs). So it would not shock anyone if they did

     
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    [QUOTE]BTW...I would love if Upshaw slipped all the way to 27 for us. He would be my pick no questions asked. I would play him both inside and out. We could use him inside with Spikes on running downs, kick Mayo outside, or use him outside on passing downs, kick Mayo inside. I like Upshaw used all over the place. 
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]

    I see Hightower as having the same versatility... think he has very good upside as an edge rusher.

    What I like about both players is that they've already proven the ability to produce in a BB style 34 defense, etc... would have a much shorter learning curve than most other potential edge players in this class.
     
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    Talk about a complete smoke. Oh all the years I've followed the Pats I've never seen them toss up a smoke screen like this:

    "CSN New England's Tom Curran is hearing from multiple sources that the Patriots would target Alabama S Mark Barron if they made a trade to move up in the draft.
    The Pats certainly have a need opposite Patrick Chung. They also have the ammo to trade up from No. 27, but they would have to give up quite a bit to move in front of the Cowboys at No. 14. As SI.com's Peter King suggested early in the week, Barron's stock is steadily on the rise."

    Could this mean they are actually trying to move up, and if so for who? I don't think it's for Barron, makes to much sense. They have a big need at the coverage S position and Barron is the best S in the draft. Also this info getting leaked a week before the draft? So my guess is that they either want a team to take Barron and let another player drop, or they are moving up and are targeting a different player but don't want to reveal who that player is. If it's the player my guess would be either Ingram or Brockers. If it's a team then it has to be either Dal or NYJ. But who would those teams target that the Pats want to drop? Brockers, Upshaw, Perry?
     
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    [QUOTE]I have one more mock I will be doing, with trades before Thursday.  This is a no trade 2 round mock.   Pick Team Position Player 1 Indianapolis QB Andrew Luck 2 Washington (StL) QB Robert Griffin III 3 Minnesota OT Matt Kalil 4 Cleveland RB Trent Richardson 5 Tampa Bay CB Morris Claiborne 6 St. Louis (Was) WR Justin Blockmon 7 Jacksonville WR Michael Floyd 8 Miami OLB Melvin Ingram 9 Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore 10 Buffalo OT Riley Reiff 11 Kansas City MLB Luke Kuechly 12 Seattle DE Quinton Couples 13 Arizona OLB Courtney Upshaw 14 Dallas S Mark Barron 15 Philadelphia DE/DT Fletcher Cox 16 New York Jets OG David DeCastro 17 Cincinnati (Oak) CB Dre Kirkpatrick 18 San Diego OG/OT Cordy Glenn 19 Chicago DE Nick Perry 20 Tennessee DT Dontari Poe 21 Cincinnati DE Andre Branch 22 Cleveland (Atl) QB Ryan Tannehill 23 Detroit CB Janoris Jenkins 24 Pittsburgh OT Jonathan Martin 25 Denver DT Michael Brockers 26 Houston WR Kendall Wright 27 New England (NO) DE/DT Kendall Reyes 28 Green Bay OLB Shea McClellin 29 Baltimore ILB Donta Hightower 30 San Francisco OG/OC Peter Konz 31 New England DE/DT Devon Still 32 New York Giants RB Doug Martin 33 St. Louis OT Mike Adams 34 Indianapolis TE Cody Fleener 35 Minnesota WR Stephen Hill 36 Tampa Bay OLB Zack Brown 37 Cleveland WR Rueben Randle 38 Jacksonville DE Whitney Mercilus 39 St. Louis (Was) OG Kevin Zeitler 40 Carolina WR Mohammed Sanu 41 Buffalo TE Dwayne Allen 42 Miami QB Brock Osweiler 43 Seattle DT Jerel Worthy 44 Kansas City OLB  Vinny Curry 45 Dallas S Harrison Smith 46 Philadelphia OLB Lavonte David 47 New York Jets WR Alshon Jeffery 48 New England (Oak) OLB/DE Chandler Jones 49 San Diego DE/DT Billy Winn 50 Chicago OT Bobby Massie 51 Philadelphia (Arz) S George Iloka 52 Tennessee CB Josh Robinson 53 Cincinnati WR Chris Givens 54 Detroit OT Kelechi Osemele 55 Atlanta OG Amini Silatolu 56 Pittsburgh NT Alameda Ta'amu 57 Denver RB Lamar Miller 58 Houston NT Josh Chapman   NO Forfeited     59 Green Bay CB Jayron Hosley 60 Baltimore WR Juron Criner 61 San Francisco DT Brandon Thompson 62 New England CB/S Trumaine Johnson 63 New York Giants TE Orson Charles         93 New England RB Robert Turbin 126 New England WR Marvin Jones
    Posted by Pats7393[/QUOTE]

    like the turbin and jones picks
     
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    [QUOTE]Talk about a complete smoke. Oh all the years I've followed the Pats I've never seen them toss up a smoke screen like this: " CSN New England's Tom Curran is hearing from multiple sources that the Patriots would target Alabama S Mark Barron if they made a trade to move up in the draft. The Pats certainly have a need opposite Patrick Chung. They also have the ammo to trade up from No. 27, but they would have to give up quite a bit to move in front of the Cowboys at No. 14. As SI.com's Peter King suggested early in the week, Barron's stock is steadily on the rise." Could this mean they are actually trying to move up, and if so for who? I don't think it's for Barron, makes to much sense. They have a big need at the coverage S position and Barron is the best S in the draft. Also this info getting leaked a week before the draft? So my guess is that they either want a team to take Barron and let another player drop, or they are moving up and are targeting a different player but don't want to reveal who that player is. If it's the player my guess would be either Ingram or Brockers. If it's a team then it has to be either Dal or NYJ. But who would those teams target that the Pats want to drop? Brockers, Upshaw, Perry?
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    given this scenario, id guess they are looking to move up for brockers

     
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    [QUOTE]Talk about a complete smoke. Oh all the years I've followed the Pats I've never seen them toss up a smoke screen like this: " CSN New England's Tom Curran is hearing from multiple sources that the Patriots would target Alabama S Mark Barron if they made a trade to move up in the draft. The Pats certainly have a need opposite Patrick Chung. They also have the ammo to trade up from No. 27, but they would have to give up quite a bit to move in front of the Cowboys at No. 14. As SI.com's Peter King suggested early in the week, Barron's stock is steadily on the rise." Could this mean they are actually trying to move up, and if so for who? I don't think it's for Barron, makes to much sense. They have a big need at the coverage S position and Barron is the best S in the draft. Also this info getting leaked a week before the draft? So my guess is that they either want a team to take Barron and let another player drop, or they are moving up and are targeting a different player but don't want to reveal who that player is. If it's the player my guess would be either Ingram or Brockers. If it's a team then it has to be either Dal or NYJ. But who would those teams target that the Pats want to drop? Brockers, Upshaw, Perry?
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    I'm not sure any smoke screen could top 2010 w/Tebow.

    If they DID want to trade up and that player wasn't Barron, I'd still hope it was from the Cox/Brockers/Upshaw/Kirkpatrick/Ingram/Hightower grouping.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : I'm not sure any smoke screen could top 2010 w/Tebow. If they DID want to trade up and that player wasn't Barron, I'd still hope it was from the Cox/Brockers/Upshaw/Kirkpatrick/Ingram/Hightower grouping.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    Tebow was a good smoke screen, but I think most people saw through it. At least a large number of people on this board. Tebow just didn't make sense to the Pats. It almost became comical the way experts were trying to figure out positions for him to play with the Pats. That's what makes Barron a so much better one (if true). Because, he does fill a big need on the team and is the best at his position in the draft. It makes a lot of sense for the Pats. To much sense

    With Cox, I still don't see why people are so in love with him. Honestly when I watch game film he gets washed out of the play way to often against dbl teams and I don't always see the largest motor. I actually see a lot of similarities between Reyes and Cox, though Cox has more talent Reyes has the larger motor and I have seen him anchor against dbl teams. Cox to me would fit best on a team that has a line who already has DL that other teams dbl. A DL where he can be left 1v1. If the Pats had a Seymour type of RDE Cox would make a great LDE but since they don't I don't see him being the best fit on the team right now. I'd much rather have Brockers. Heck I see more in Wolfe then Cox truthfully and think Wolfe could develop into an excellent LDE. 

    Right now my ideal draft would be to grab Brockers, Wolfe, Curry/Branch, and Robinson/Brooks/Dennard, and Rainey. I think those 5 would greatly enhance the team.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : Tebow was a good smoke screen, but I think most people saw through it. At least a large number of people on this board. Tebow just didn't make sense to the Pats. It almost became comical the way experts were trying to figure out positions for him to play with the Pats. That's what makes Barron a so much better one (if true). Because, he does fill a big need on the team and is the best at his position in the draft. It makes a lot of sense for the Pats. To much sense With Cox, I still don't see why people are so in love with him. Honestly when I watch game film he gets washed out of the play way to often against dbl teams and I don't always see the largest motor. I actually see a lot of similarities between Reyes and Cox, though Cox has more talent Reyes has the larger motor and I have seen him anchor against dbl teams. Cox to me would fit best on a team that has a line who already has DL that other teams dbl. A DL where he can be left 1v1. If the Pats had a Seymour type of RDE Cox would make a great LDE but since they don't I don't see him being the best fit on the team right now. I'd much rather have Brockers. Heck I see more in Wolfe then Cox truthfully and think Wolfe could develop into an excellent LDE.  Right now my ideal draft would be to grab Brockers, Wolfe, Curry/Branch, and Robinson/Brooks/Dennard, and Rainey. I think those 5 would greatly enhance the team.
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    agreed on the tebow point. everyone saw tjhrough that.
    and the brockers point above.
    interesting strategy going all de with soem good selections.
    we need de, but with the offensive gamechangeers available, i would jump and fill de and o pciks in the draft.

    love the brockers posssibility

    its an unprecedented year at wr with 40 expecte4d to be drafted. take advantage of the plethora while you can.

    id take a dl, lb, big outside wr, slot wr, o line, cb

    i like one of each of these:
    hill/jeffery/fleener
    jenkins/kirpatrick
    reyes/thompson/wolfe/winn
    branch/curry/mclellin
    several possible versatile o lineman -scars pick
    broyles/coale/hemingway

     
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    Given that they already have 73/74 players on the 80 man roster with all the FA signings this is one year that I could see them spending draft picks to move up: the logical spots could be 11-13, 15, 17-22.
    11-13 would cost both 1st rounders with maybe improving 48 by 3 or 4 picks or some late rounders and would probably be for Cox or Ingram.
    15 might be for Barron and would cost some combination of 1st and 2nd rounder plus.
    17-22 might be for Brockers, Gilmore, Kirkpatrick (or shocker DeCastro?) and would cost a first and a second or third.
    I think the first two options would only happen if they grade out the other DE, OLB, DT, and S options as second rounders as they would have a wide selection at significantly lower cost from 17 on. (I see first round grades as sure things, second rounders as more 50/50 propositions.)
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : agreed on the tebow point. everyone saw tjhrough that. and the brockers point above. interesting strategy going all de with soem good selections. we need de, but with the offensive gamechangeers available, i would jump and fill de and o pciks in the draft. love the brockers posssibility its an unprecedented year at wr with 40 expecte4d to be drafted. take advantage of the plethora while you can. id take a dl, lb, big outside wr, slot wr, o line, cb i like one of each of these: hill/jeffery/fleener jenkins/kirpatrick reyes/thompson/wolfe/winn branch/curry/mclellin several possible versatile o lineman -scars pick broyles/coale/hemingway
    Posted by bredbru[/QUOTE]

    The problem with taking to many WR's is that we already have a ton of WR's. You must figure Lloyd, Welker, and Slater make the team. Even if they carry 7 WR's this next yea if they draft a WR (which I think they do) that leaves 3 spots open for Ocho, Branch, Stallworth, Edelman, Gonz, and maybe Gaffney (once he gets released). I can't see them taking on 2 WR's in the draft honestly. I could see them taking Rainey as a KR and a 5/6th RB option that could transform into a Faulk type of player who can line up as a WR or as a RB and another WR prospect.

    But given some solid players in the front 7 this year my preference would be to finish the D rebuild by loading up on at least 3 front 7 players and an extra DB before worrying about one of the best O's in the league that has half a young OL, a young TE, and a bunch of young RB's

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : The problem with taking to many WR's is that we already have a ton of WR's. You must figure Lloyd, Welker, and Slater make the team. Even if they carry 7 WR's this next yea if they draft a WR (which I think they do) that leaves 3 spots open for Ocho, Branch, Stallworth, Edelman, Gonz, and maybe Gaffney (once he gets released). I can't see them taking on 2 WR's in the draft honestly. I could see them taking Rainey as a KR and a 5/6th RB option that could transform into a Faulk type of player who can line up as a WR or as a RB and another WR prospect. But given some solid players in the front 7 this year my preference would be to finish the D rebuild by loading up on at least 3 front 7 players and an extra DB before worrying about one of the best O's in the league that has half a young OL, a young TE, and a bunch of young RB's
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    i hear the thinking. im not deterred from taking a wr to upgrade the team no matter how many wr's we cut in preseason. bb may be thinking otherwise.
    the opportunity for a potentially uncoverable wr to be drafted by a super bowl team is a rare opportunity. re the slot im looking to replace welker which we may even be able to do in fa even.


    by the way the new nepatriots.com mock is pretty decent though im not in love with chandler jones (at 27).

    what do you guy think of jones?

    their picks:
    jones,mclellin,trumaine johnson,quick,martin,taylor
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : Tebow was a good smoke screen, but I think most people saw through it. At least a large number of people on this board. Tebow just didn't make sense to the Pats. It almost became comical the way experts were trying to figure out positions for him to play with the Pats. That's what makes Barron a so much better one (if true). Because, he does fill a big need on the team and is the best at his position in the draft. It makes a lot of sense for the Pats. To much sense With Cox, I still don't see why people are so in love with him. Honestly when I watch game film he gets washed out of the play way to often against dbl teams and I don't always see the largest motor. I actually see a lot of similarities between Reyes and Cox, though Cox has more talent Reyes has the larger motor and I have seen him anchor against dbl teams. Cox to me would fit best on a team that has a line who already has DL that other teams dbl. A DL where he can be left 1v1. If the Pats had a Seymour type of RDE Cox would make a great LDE but since they don't I don't see him being the best fit on the team right now. I'd much rather have Brockers. Heck I see more in Wolfe then Cox truthfully and think Wolfe could develop into an excellent LDE.  Right now my ideal draft would be to grab Brockers, Wolfe, Curry/Branch, and Robinson/Brooks/Dennard, and Rainey. I think those 5 would greatly enhance the team.
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    RE: Cox, I see a kid with very good size, athleticism/movement skills (bordering on elite for the position) and strength that plays with an excellent motor (don't know where you see it lacking?) with the versatility to play (and be disruptive) any position along an even front and DE in an odd front.  He could play with more consistent leverage (like most college DL) but when he does, he's tough to handle.  I also like his instincts, I think he reads plays quickly and has the quick COD to adjust and make a play on the ball carrier... tackles well.

    I know you love Wolfe, I like him too, but I haven't seen anything from him that would put him in Cox's class (arguably the best DT prospect in this class) at this point.
     
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    In response to "Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12!": [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! UPDATED W/ MOCK V3 4/12! : RE: Cox, I see a kid with very good size, athleticism/movement skills (bordering on elite for the position) and strength that plays with an excellent motor (don't know where you see it lacking?) with the versatility to play (and be disruptive) any position along an even front and DE on an odd front.  He could play with more consistent leverage (like most college DL) but when he does, he's tough to handle.  I also like his instincts, I think he reads plays quickly and has the quick COD to adjust and make a play on the ball carrier... tackles well. I know you love Wolfe, I like him too, but I haven't seen anything from him that would put him in Cox's class (arguably the best DT prospect in this class) at this point. Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE] I like cox as well. I think he will be the first DT taken in this draft. Brockers and poe behind him,, then still, Reyes, Wolfe, thompson. Then Martin, Winn, Randall, etc. not in that specific order, but in terms of groupings I think that is about right.
     
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