Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V1 ADDED
posted at 1/12/2012 11:42 AM EST
In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V1 ADDED
In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** MOCK V1 ADDED : I think we will have at least one of these guys we like to select from: Hightower, Konz, Barron, Sanu. faucet and all. not sure this is the case, but will add another scenario to consider here. of the above, id like hightower first preference, konz second. i want a fs in free agency so we dotn have to take barron over the other 4-5 positions i want to fill via draft. and re sanu, unless bb has him rated so far above all the other wr in the top half of the draft, i hold off till the second rd. again i think other positions are more important with our top picks. so im using walter footballs 1/9 mock update to illustrate and query folks on this scenario. so if this is the scenario, the bad news is a lot of the first round defensive players ( and center)we coveted are gone by our pick: konz 23, hightower 24 to pitt, burfict 27 to balt but for those who feel we can use brown, he makes it to the top of the second. heres who is gone and who remains till the second. given this scenario it may make sense to trade back with one pick 5 spots or less if if gives us another 2nd round pick in the top 24 imo (ie if someone has to move up to get a player). 1 luck 2 griffin to wash ( i like this. puts him in the nfc and on a bad team). 3 kalil 4 blackmoon 5 claiborne 6 richardson 7 coples 8 reif 9 kirkpatrick 10 upshaw 11 martin 12 still 13 kuechly 14 de castro 15 floyd 16 mercilus (too bad if we dont get a shot) 17 janoris 18 perry 19 dennard 20 ingram 21 glenn 22 tannehill 23 konz 24 hightower 25 lamar miller 26 fletcher cox 27 alshon jeffery 28 kenadall wright 29 burfict 30 pats 1a worthy 31 pats 1b barron 32 dwayne allen te that was the bad news now the good news: left is : (they have coming off in rd 2) 33 zack brown (top tier lb) 34 sanu top tier wr 35 poe gap plugger 36 olb lavonte david 37 minnefield cb / kr 38 hosley cb va tech 39 sander tackle 40 brandon thompson clemson dt 41 adams oh st o tackle 42 nick foles qb 43 andre branch de 44 david wilson rb va tech 45 josh robnson centr fl cb kr 46 crick de/dt 47 braandon washington g/t miami 48 brandon jenkins de/olb (i coulda swore mb said he declred hes staying in school?) 49 fleenr te (only te in the draft we have been speaking of and i say we draft) 50 toon wr wisc. (nother possiblilty) 51 wagner lb utah st 52 osemele g 53 polk rb wash 54 curry de (nother possible patriot) 55 ben jones c ga (nother possible patriot) 56 ta' amu nose 57 gilmore cb (some like, gimme fa if a cb) 58 nix g 59 chapman nose 60 ronnel lewis de/olb 61 irvin de olb w virginia 62 travis lewis 63 dwight jones - they give to us 64 winn mb liked a while back so if draft is falling this way around pick 20 or 24 in the draft, what are you thinking with our first 4 rds of picks 1a, 1b, 2a, 2b, 3, 4. for me if we go down i only would go down up to 5 picks and i would only move from 1 to upper 2/3 of 2 cause of value there. also only consider 1 trade down. thats me. what are your thoughts in this scenario. also if nay of those folks who threw out players today and i commented why i wouldnt ie poe, can you offer any info in regard to a retort. night everyone peace
Posted by bredbru
I just checked out the Walter mock too. They make some good arguments but as we know, things never play out the way people predict, too many moving parts, free agency, draft day trades, and of course we haven't had the All Star games and Combine yet. The Board will look a lot different by late April. Anyway...
First, the premise that we end up at 30/31, I'm not buying it. I'd love to think we're going to the SB but with the worst defense I've ever seen in New England, I don't see how we get past Baltimore. New Orleans could lose to SF too but assuming they move on we end up at 28/30.
Using the Walter mock, I too would be all over Mark Barron but at 28. I don't let Baltimore have him at 29 to replace the ageless Ed Reid, forget Ray Lewis. He has another year left at least.
Then at 30 based on who is there according to Walter, Zach Brown is certainly an option. but I don't think BB pulls the trigger on him. He hasn't drafted a small speedy LB in the past preferring guys at least 245. I'm also not convinced we are staying in a 43. I think we moved that direction based on getting Haynesworth and the personnel we had this year. Worthy is an option but I don't see it. I think he is too short to play the 5 technique in terms of BB's standards. Poe could be an option as Mb and others argue but I don't see our need at interior DL as critical. Our DL was perhaps the best of the 3 levels of D last year IMO. With VW, Deaderick, Love, Brace, Pryor who can all play interior DL, coming back, we need a pure 34 DE if we are to go DL IMO.
So, of the options left, I like Chase Minnifield or Mohamed Sanu.
If we keep Branch and Ocho, we still need a 6th receiver as Underwood is not the answer. I'm not sure BB will throw the towel in on Ocho (although we probably all feel he should) based on what he gave up for him and the extension he signed. Cutting Ocho would give BB more of a black eye than Haynesworth. But there can be no doubt a young quality WR is needed and if he proves himself, BB would have no hesitation playing him ahead of Ocho or Branch. In terms of "Patriot" character, Sanu fits perfectly. WR and C are perhaps our only positions of need on offense so we could see the first WR ever taken by BB in Round 1.
The case for Minnifield, Mb made with great reasoning. We have to address the secondary. It was our weakest area on the whole team. Even if we got Barron, it would not shock me for BB to go DB again. Can anyone really argue that it would be a dumb play to spend our top two picks on two DBs when everyone knows our secondary is the worst in football? I guess a case could be made that GB's was worst since they ended up giving up more yards but they had way more INTs and a lower competition percentage against.
Anyway, why not fix the freakin problem once and for all? Whether or not DMC moves to safety or nickel or whether or not Dowling can stay on the field, it won't matter if we draft these two guys. We had 40 sacks, ranked 14th. Getting pressure on the QB wasn't our biggest problem last year. Our biggest problem was stopping the pass. Everybody had career days against us. Drafting two DBs means we don't have to see guys like Moore, Molden, Adams and Edelman back there.
There are plenty of OLB types available in the 2nd round if we even go there, which I am not convinced. We could also perhaps get Ben Jones which I'd argue is a bigger need depending what happens with Koppen and Connolly. Walter had Jones lasting to 55 so why not take him at 48? In keeping with BB past history, we pass on WR in Round 1 and wait until our late pick in Round 2 and take Toon, Randle or Dwight Jones.
So if Walter plays out and we miss on the top LBs We could still come away with:
28 S Mark Barron
30 CB Chase Minnifield
48 C Ben Jones
62 WR Dwight Jones
94 RB Isaiah Pead