***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED!

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    I was just about to write about Ingram from South Carolina geez maurice that guy was motoring on both of the big plays plus he recovers the onside kick on the hands team!! Holy smokes did he have a whale of a game... Sanu is a great WR makes every impossible catch in the books. The best player in the Georgia and SC game was the RB for SC Lattimore!!! Another WR to watch over the weekend was Pflugrad from ASU whenever his QB was in trouble this little mutt (Wes Welker type) was constantly getting open and making a grab 8 catches for a 180 and two TD's...
     
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    mbeau, are you not big on juron criner? i didn't see his name in your list of WR prospects?
     
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    mbeau, are you not big on juron criner? i didn't see his name in your list of WR prospects?
    Posted by cantstopme


    I'll have to add him to my list, he hasn't played yet this year, but is another big bodied kid with day 2 potential.
     
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    melvin ingram 276 lb de/dt for sout carolina just ran a fake punt looking better than brandon tate on a kickoff, lik e70 yards, juking db's running away from guys. damn! what a play by the dl.
    Posted by brdbreu


    Kid certainly has some athleticism, think I remember them mentioning that he was a HS RB, must've been a load to bring down.
     
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    am i imagining it? or is there really a ton of very exciting talent in college football this year -- and on both sides of teh ball? after this weekend, i am ready to say that the next draft will pretty damn deep.

     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : BS, Didn't get a chance to watch the game, how'd his speed and quicks look?  Routes?  On the topic of Wisconsin, RB Montee Ball (5-11 210) had himself another big game stat wise, any feedback on how he looked (speed/power/balance/vision etc.)?
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    Not very quick, medium speed, more of a long strider like his dad.  Uses the body well, good hands.  He probably won't be a good combine guy, but will end up a good pro.  Ball looked very good, but in general I think Wisconsin backs benefit from a good run scheme and always solid OL play.  He was running threw some big holes.
     
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    WHAT DID YOU SEE IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL THIS WEEK?


     
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    THE BIG 12 LOOKS WEEK INCLUDING Texas just gettting by byu.
    ohio state just got by toledo in the big 10.
    justin balckmon is justin blackmon and some on the draft thread want that stud on the patriots.

    the Texaas Coference, errr i mean big twelve is hangin by a string while oaklahoma decides if it want to go to the pac X in response to texas a&m leaving for the sec.

    and will the bcs champion continue to be the sec champ.

    what did you see on and off the field?

    on a different note, what the hell is the ncaa doing voiding usc's championship because of bush, etc but not allowing auburn, who also went undefeated, and was as deserving or moreso, to be the champion of that year? and saying there was no champion that year. excuse me, no team was the best team in college football? huh??? ok you might as well cancel college football in div 2 forever if it doenst matter who is the best team in div 2.
     
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     You might think about Trumaine Johnson, 6'2, 204 lbs, corner and Buck Buchanand cadidate out of Montana.
     
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    been almos a week. where are you all?

    incidentally the ingram all 276 lbs of him, juked out of his pants was one of the 2 georgia cb "studs" (the one i didnt want. forget his name).
     
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    I like Broyles as well, but after watching the Dallas/Jets game, I hope we target a bigger, more physical WR. It was interesting to see the matchup between Dez and Revis..very physical, with Dez winning some, Revis winning some. I think Revis tends to have his hands full with a speedy, bigger WR. Someone that can push him around a bit. As much as I like Broyles, I would like to draft someone a bit bigger.

    The WR position is going to be interesting next year...
    1. Do they extend/resign Welker? If not, who plays the slot? (Edelman, Hernandez, Vereen?)
    2. What do they do with Ocho? Does he catch on this year?
    3. How many years does Branch have left?

    That's 3 big question marks at WR. The only "knowns" are Gronk and Hernandez..Price?, Slater?, Edelman?...who's left?

    Perhaps we go the way of the running back in 2011...meaning draft 2 WRs..or bring in another savvy vet.

    If one/both of Branch/Welker are not on the roster next year....I vote for drafting Broyles early..If perhaps we go the route of a bigger WR early like below, I like Marquis Maze out of Alabama as Broyles 2.0.

    If Price/Ocho don't pan out, and Branch/Welker stay, I like any of the following...all early picks
    Michael Floyd (off teh field issues, but perhaps that is past him..)
    Alshon Jeffery
    Jeff Fuller
     
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    Hey MB...Do you have Marquis Maze on your WR list? What do you think of him?
     
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    Hey MB...Do you have Marquis Maze on your WR list? What do you think of him?
    Posted by PatsLifer


    I do, prob have about 20 'Bama kids on there, ha.  Maze is a kid that I like, though I really want Blackmon in Foxboro!

    Saw him a bit last weekend vs. Penn State and liked his quicks, athleticism, hands and ball skills and he looks competitive.  He made one very athletic play in particular, a diving catch down the middle of the field with a defender in his face showing off said hands as well as good body control.  He fits the mold of a smaller/quick WR with good short to intermediate/RAC ability that BB generally seems to target, but is probably 5-9 or less and will likely be relegated to slot.
     
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    very early but I like the list. I have a couple others to watch...
     Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
     Kelechi Osomele, OL, Iowa State
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : Well you do realize BB inherited a pro-bowl 1st rd C in Damian Woody when he took over this team and then 3 years later drafted his backup in Koppen in rd 4, who was simply insurance in case Woody didn't resign. When Woody got hurt and wanted too much $ Koppen proved he was a legit starting Center so we had no need to draft a Center high in the draft for at least the 6-7 years of Koppen's prime. Esp since he signed a reasonable extension. Last years draft, with Koppen over 30 and a FA to be, was the only one since BB got here that you could have made the argument we needed to draft a Center early. Now, unless we get one in FA, it is a MUST position for this draft and we likely can't wait any later than rd 3 to get one.
    Posted by rameakap
    I think the Patriots had Pouncey on the top of their board and had too take Solder the consolation prize when the Fins took him way early in round 1,also the Patriots will find the solution to their need at Center someplace but I wouldn't bet the guy comes from the draft! Scarnecchia could find a solid blocking O-lineman in the Sahara desert....Connolly could be the heir apparent as could Wendell be...After week ten we will know which way the river flows and what the Patriots will draft I had them taking Pouncey or an offensive lineman this year and I guessed right. This year the early favorite positions for consideration are a stretch WR and Safety if either or both of those positions provide a great value for
    BB then that is the area to look for the next stud entering this draft 2012.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : I think the Patriots had Pouncey on the top of their board and had too take Solder the consolation prize when the Fins took him way early in round 1,also the Patriots will find the solution to their need at Center someplace but I wouldn't bet the guy comes from the draft! Scarnecchia could find a solid blocking O-lineman in the Sahara desert....Connolly could be the heir apparent as could Wendell be...After week ten we will know which way the river flows and what the Patriots will draft I had them taking Pouncey or an offensive lineman this year and I guessed right. This year the early favorite positions for consideration are a stretch WR and Safety if either or both of those positions provide a great value for BB then that is the area to look for the next stud entering this draft 2012.
    Posted by sportsbozo1


    I think you might be right on Connolly. What I like about him is 2 fold;
    1. Bigger than Koppen (6'4, 310-15)
    2. Came in 1st game of season in mid-game and didn't miss a beat.

    If he is the heir apparent to Koppen, I still think we need to pick up a G in the draft to back up Mankins and Cannon. Brian Waters don't know how long he lasts

    Agree...I think the Pats need to take a WR or two..of course, this will be based on how they handle Ocho, Welker and Branch after this year, and if Price can step up and produce. Safety, no brainer.

    I'd also like to see an upgrade at OLB (4-3), and add a 4-3 DE as well.
     
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    I'd draft a 4-3 outside linebacker in rd 1 with the Saints pick, hope they go 9-7 or 10-6... they have a cake sched, it will likely be an 11-5 team with the 24th-27th pick. This boards seems all over Manti Te'o and I'd love him too. He will likely go 14-20 with us having a pick in the 22-28 range it will cost at least a 2013 2nd and likely a 1st rounder to move up and get him. BB doesn't usually do that, but maybe with a 'win-now' mentality and the rookie payroll structure he'll have changed his tune. With our pick I'd draft Mike Brewster or the best SS available. With the Raiders 2nd rd pick draft Broyles With our 2nd rd pick draft a safety or a C With our 3rd rd pick I'd try to trade up into the 2nd rd. We need quality, not quantity.
    Posted by rameakap

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    "We need quality, not quantity.
    i like this thinking

    With our pick I'd draft Mike Brewster or the best SS available.

    we dont need a ss we have chung, we may need a fs if we dont fill that during year or brown or barrett rise up.
     
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    hey rame,
    yeah we could get an adeequate cb. i have said elsewhere if ras i continues to be good and even get better, id rather have a close to shut down corner.

    i'd like 1 yr on a vet fs. and pick up that cover safety from georgia in the draft, forgetting his name at the moment.

    yeah i saw ras i's free safety possibility in college as well. great ball hawk, great closing speed, hits like a strong safety, great body control in the air to make a play on the ball. think hed make a good free safety, but potential as a very good corner is tantalizing to me against these freak receivers in the league these days.
     
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    Is Kellen Moore an NFL QB?  System guy, Boise St. gimmick offense, etc.  The kid played great with 2 NFL WRs last year and is great with no talent this year.  I like him, has that winner vibe.  Pretty cool to be throwing passes to your brother as well.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : and yes if Ras-I can eb an elite CB, with all the big WR's we play against, that is WAY more valuable than free safety. The right mix of veteran bigs on defense, say Avril and Griffin FA and a Briggs trade, with a CB-FS ballhawk and pass rusher drafted and we'd be in serious business.
    Posted by rameakap



    yeah id take it but you're describing some near dream scenarios.
    i hear pats need some help in the "brain" room. get on it.
    :)
     
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    Ryan Broyles is the best fit for NE. agility, route running, speed, inteligence, versatility. i would also look for a bigger WR as there are many coming out this year. i would target a 2nd round prospect like juron criner or Mohamed Sanu.
    Posted by cantstopme


    My concern about Broyles is the lack of success of OU wide receivers drafted high (rds 1-3) since Stoops has been coach.  None of them has measured up to their draft position (Mark Clayton, Malcom Kelly, Bradley, Jones, Iglesias, etc).  I lived in Oklahoma during this era and each of these receivers were "great" college playters and hyped as much as Broyles. 

    Stoops system makes his WR's look good, but for some reason they don't translate well at the next level.  Buyer beware.
     
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    harrison smith S notre dame has patriots written all over him, plays a little linebacker too.
     
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    Is Kellen Moore an NFL QB?  System guy, Boise St. gimmick offense, etc.  The kid played great with 2 NFL WRs last year and is great with no talent this year.  I like him, has that winner vibe.  Pretty cool to be throwing passes to your brother as well.
    Posted by BSII
    The Moore you see him the Moore you like him!!! Kellen is a very astute QB and has been training since he was in pop warner football to be just what he is a Quarterback! Those gimmick offenses are harder to run than any conventional one!! He knows where all of his receivers are supposed to be on every play,just watch him read the progression of receivers sometime,he's an absolute marvel and has pinpoint accuracy,so in answer to your question yes he's a legitimate NFL QB. Though don't count the Patriots in as a suitor because he's not the right size as they have both a height and weight requirement for them to draft a QB 6'4" 225 lbs. Also he's lefthanded which requires the RT to be better than the traditional LT.
     
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    what did you see this weekend?
    miami was too much for ohio state. 
    florida state did better with their backup qb. if hes in the whole game, they dont throw those interceptions and fsu has a chance to beat oaklahoma.
     
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    Ok it's been a couple weeks at the college level so I have a better idea on some players. Also with a week in the NFL book I have a better idea what the Pats might be looking for.

    What I'm seeing for the Pats is that on O:

    WR's - I have no doubt Welker will be back now. They absolutely need him. Edelman is a good returner and ST player but he's not taking over Welkers role anytime soon. Price has the ability to be a #2 or a poor mans #1 WR if he can stay healthy. But, Ocho is a question and Branch might not be around next yea. We need some WR's and a bigger one would be great.

    C's - Koppen has had constant injury for the last couple years and even though Connolly is a very good swing man I don't want to see him at C for a long period

    For the rest of the O looks fairly solid maybe some late round development players for depth but pretty solid

    as for D:

    This is more of a concern and it starts in the secondary. It all depends what happens if they move Bodden to FS and how Ras works out but past Arrington they have no one in the CB or FS positions. I think SS is set but I'm looking for a FS early and some mid round CB's as nickel options

    The LB core seems decent with Flecther and Mayo up the middle. And if Spikes comes back and plays then the ILB position is set. At OLB it's basically Nin at this point. Hopefully Edds becomes a waiver gem and Cunningham can pick it up but we need a true OLB across from Nin

    The DL isn't getting younger. Wilfork, Pryor, Love seem like long term players but Deadrick and Brace are on the bubble and who knows what happens next year after Ellis, Anderson, and Carters contracts run up. Not to mention Haynesworth.


    For college players who impressed me and ones I'm watching:

    on O:

    C - BB doesn't take C's early he feels they can and should be found in later rounds. Given Sca as OL coach he could be right. I'm looking at sleepers Scott Wedige Nothern Ill. He was a surprisingly solid 1st year starter at C and has performed even better this year. Grant Garner out of Garner is going to interesting to watch how he performs against throughout the year

    WR - This is an area I think they go high. Typically for BB it's been in round 2 and 3 and I don't see that changing. Some impressive larger WR's I've seen in the last couple weeks have been:

    Michael Flyod - at 6'3" 218 he is a large body who has decent 4.5 speed. In his first 2 games he's looked like a 18 yr old boy among 65 yr old men. His off-field concerns might push him into the 2nd but he looks like a top 10 pick.

    Juron Criner - looks like the best possession WR in this draft in my eyes. He's reminds me of a younger Ocho when he was in college. If that statement holds true we all know how much BB liked Ocho going into the draft. With the extra picks he might get his chance to grab his guy this time around.

    Chris Owusu - He does have Luck tossing to him but given he's coming off a season ending knee injury he looks good, real good. That knee concern might make him a late 2nd early 3rd range which is BB choice area to take a risk on injury prone WR's

    for the D:

    It all starts at FS's and CB's for me and BB likes to take them early and often:

    Robert Lester FS - He is where it starts and ends if he makes it to the late 1st for me. He's a ball hawking coverage S with size and speed. You put him in with Bodden, Ras, McCourty, and Chung and the secondary looks like on of the best in the league

    Eddie Whitley FS - He has looked good in coverage so far. Not a ball hawk just a very solid coverage S with tons of speed. No one will be out running him in coverage. Reminds me of Sanders solid all around but not great at one thing or another

    Cliff Harris CB - He is a playmaker simply put. He's not a shut down CB but he's more the average in coverage 1v1. He's got a noise for the ball and has extremely fluid hips which is something BB loves

    Chase Minnifield CB - A former teammate of Ras with similar skills. He has been a blanket this year not allowing WR's the beat him 1v1. This kid is dangerous in the backfield if put into the right position to succeed.

    Janoris Jenkins CB - My personal pick here. Given his off-field issues and that he's in a division that won't show case his talents he's going to be a day 2 pick with day 1 talent (Remind anyone of the same circumstances as Hernandez). This kid is special and has shown it so far. Against the level of competition he's facing he should be dominant though

    Vinny Curry DL/OLB - was impressive so far 3 sacks in 2 games will do that. Want to see if he can keep it up

    Baker Steinkuhler DL - has been suspended for DUI. His stock is dropping faster then the Colts which is only a good thing. This kid had a heck of a sophomore season and was expected to have a blow out junior season. If he can come back strong after the suspension he might be a steal in the 3rd

    Chase Thomas OLB - he has looked unblockable so far this season. He's fast athletic and strong at the POA I'm keeping my eye on this kid

    Brandon Lindsey OLB - has had an impressive start to a season and is worth keeping an eye on
     
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