***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***! THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED!

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    To me in this upcoming Draft it starts with Safety. Thanks for the info PatEng, I'll keep tabs on Lester.
    Posted by bobbysu



    lester thats his name.
    posted aa month ago he woudl be a good target for pats cover free safety. he can cover and he can play fs
     
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    trade our #1 down, take brewster with N.O's pick and select the best safety with the raiders pick. add a DE with our 2nd round pick.
     
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    gracias MB...never to early to speculate.
    safety, center, DL, WR, OLB, OG
    List for Santa....Lester, Brewster, Billy Winn, Floyd
     
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    SAFETY! We need a Big Time SAFETY next draft! 
     
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    so it's done texas a&m to sec. will be on shced next yr
    wv, misouri, vt  in comp for # 14. will they go 16?
    will they consider schools n same state as current members?
    will they consider tcu for market purposes? will it aid or hurt the sec (bcs, recruiting, viablity,...
    vs say pac 16 with oka, oka st, texas, texas tech.
     
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    harrison smith S notre dame has patriots written all over him, plays a little linebacker too.
    Posted by isurfvb24


    I like Smith a lot.  Good size kid, active, physical, instinctive and always around the ball.  Projects as atleast a decent box safety at the NFL level with some ability in coverage and decent ball skills (7 INT, 7 PD in 2010, 4 PD through 3 games in 2011).
     
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    Michael Floyd (assuming BB is comfortable with his history of DUI's) is my consolation prize if they miss out on Blackmon.  Very good size, good speed, willing and physical blocker, good hands and ball skills, will work the middle of the field, play maker, plays the game with emotion and has plenty of experience as the #1 option in an offense.  I see this kid every week and all he does is make plays, doing his best to put ND in a position to win. 
     
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    Wow, I'm 8 pages behind already.  I will try to catch up ASAP.  If someone already beat me to this, I'm sorry but here is the list of guys whose contracts expire after the 2011 season.  I've done my best to keep up with this but there could be errors so if anyone has contrary information, please let me know.  The ages given are their ages as of the end of 2011 so add a year heading into 2012.  Ninkovich was just extended so he's off the list.  I haven't spent the time to see who is restricted, will do that next and update.


    30 W Welker '11
    31 Koppen '11
    26 Green-Ellis '11
    29 Connolly '11
    32 Branch '11
    25 Guyton '11
    25 Wendell '11
    25 Arrington '11
    34 Brian Waters
    25 Hoyer '11
    26 M Slater
    34 S Ellis
    32 A Carter
    28 M Anderson
    29 Wright '12

    Extending Welker would seem the biggest priority.  Branch is playing great but will be 33 so perhaps he become a year-to-year guy if healthy.  We have 4 interior linesmen in Koppen, Waters, Connolly and Wendall with expiring contracts.  Cannon would seem to solve one of them and I think Connolly is showing his versitility enough to get an extension, but not sure if he's the answer at C.  Slater has proven is worth on special teams and should be affordable enough to keep.  Hoyer should become trade bait but not sure if we can control him after the season, he should be restricted.

    I think with Mike Wright's history of concussions, he will probably be cut or retire.  The other DEs, Ellis and Carter are up there in age.  Arrington is a steady enough guy and Dowling continues to look like he will keep the injury bug with him which was why I was against drafting him.  RBs are never hard to find and we have a pair of young ones so what happens with BJGE isn't a huge concern.

    So we have 4 interior OL and 4 exterior DL types with major question marks.  With 2 picks in the first and 2 in the second we could address the below early but I just know BB will trade one of those 1st rounders to acquire more picks expecially in the later rounds.  After digesting this I think our priorities for the draft should be:

    DE
    C/OG
    S
    CB

     
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    Wow, I'm 8 pages behind already.  I will try to catch up ASAP.  If someone already beat me to this, I'm sorry but here is the list of guys whose contracts expire after the 2011 season.  I've done my best to keep up with this but there could be errors so if anyone has contrary information, please let me know.  The ages given are their ages as of the end of 2011 so add a year heading into 2012.  Ninkovich was just extended so he's off the list.  I haven't spent the time to see who is restricted, will do that next and update. 30 W Welker '11 31 Koppen '11 26 Green-Ellis '11 29 Connolly '11 32 Branch '11 25 Guyton '11 25 Wendell '11 25 Arrington '11 34 Brian Waters 25 Hoyer '11 26 M Slater 34 S Ellis 32 A Carter 28 M Anderson 29 Wright '12 Extending Welker would seem the biggest priority.  Branch is playing great but will be 33 so perhaps he become a year-to-year guy if healthy.  We have 4 interior linesmen in Koppen, Waters, Connolly and Wendall with expiring contracts.  Cannon would seem to solve one of them and I think Connolly is showing his versitility enough to get an extension, but not sure if he's the answer at C.  Slater has proven is worth on special teams and should be affordable enough to keep.  Hoyer should become trade bait but not sure if we can control him after the season, he should be restricted. I think with Mike Wright's history of concussions, he will probably be cut or retire.  The other DEs, Ellis and Carter are up there in age.  Arrington is a steady enough guy and Dowling continues to look like he will keep the injury bug with him which was why I was against drafting him.  RBs are never hard to find and we have a pair of young ones so what happens with BJGE isn't a huge concern. So we have 4 interior OL and 4 exterior DL types with major question marks.  With 2 picks in the first and 2 in the second we could address the below early but I just know BB will trade one of those 1st rounders to acquire more picks expecially in the later rounds.  After digesting this I think our priorities for the draft should be: DE C/OG S CB
    Posted by Faucetman


    i like wr, center, free safety, dline. top dls and top wr's go high.
    we need a top dl, wr and free safety, i wonder what we can get before the draft?

    i dont like waiting so long to see what we have in vereen and ridley. ridley and woodhead should get most of the carries imo and see what vereen is mixing him in (we know what bjge is- trusty not talented), and price slater (can they be starting wr's)
     
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    so free safety looks like some competition (for who should be our free safety drafted) for lester in Tyrann Mathieu.

    what did you see this weekend?
     
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    Michael Floyd (assuming BB is comfortable with his history of DUI's) is my consolation prize if they miss out on Blackmon.  Very good size, good speed, willing and physical blocker, good hands and ball skills, will work the middle of the field, play maker, plays the game with emotion and has plenty of experience as the #1 option in an offense.  I see this kid every week and all he does is make plays, doing his best to put ND in a position to win. 
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    What about some mid-round to late round guys like R Broyles, K Wright, L Lewis, BJ Cunningham, L Byrd, and M Maze (a WW clone)?  They are not super fast, but always seem to get open and catch the ball and seem to fit the BB offense.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : What about some mid-round to late round guys like R Broyles, K Wright, L Lewis, BJ Cunningham, L Byrd, and M Maze (a WW clone)?  They are not super fast, but always seem to get open and catch the ball and seem to fit the BB offense.
    Posted by gln826


    It really depends on what kind of player they're looking for.  I like Broyles a lot, think his game and skill set translates well to NE's style of offense.  I also like what I've seen from Maze, both are are smaller quick twitch type kids with good RAC ability, however both may be better operating out of the slot.

    Blackmon on the otherhand is a pure #1 WR type that can impact the game from anywhere on the field.  Physically, he looks like T.O. to me and IMO is a potential top tier WR in the NFL.
     
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    I was just about to write about Ingram from South Carolina geez maurice that guy was motoring on both of the big plays plus he recovers the onside kick on the hands team!! Holy smokes did he have a whale of a game... Sanu is a great WR makes every impossible catch in the books. The best player in the Georgia and SC game was the RB for SC Lattimore!!! Another WR to watch over the weekend was Pflugrad from ASU whenever his QB was in trouble this little mutt (Wes Welker type) was constantly getting open and making a grab 8 catches for a 180 and two TD's...
    Posted by sportsbozo1


    sb,
    Got a chance to see Pflugrad play this weekend, he wasn't targeted a ton, but definitely exhibited the quick twitch type skill set that seems to be appealing to BB.  He looks like a kid that would project as a slot player in their offense.  I'll be adding him to the list.
     
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    Like most, my biggest concern through (3) games is the secondary, particularly the apparent regression of Devin McCourty.  It's one thing to struggle a bit against big top level WR's like Brandon Marshall and Vincent Jackson, but it's another to get flat out beat by Donald Jones (a 2nd year player out of 1AA Youngstown State).  Now it's still early in the year and he has time to turn things around, but his ability to locate and make a play of the football has been subpar.

    Additionally, while the offense appears to be clicking on all cylinders (for the most part), I do have some concerns about the long term health of their outside WR's (I fully expect them to extend WW) with Branch and Johnson both on the wrong side of 30, the latter having issues catching onto the offense and simply catching the ball in general.  Taylor Price flashed for a game in the preseason and might be that guy, but I think WR is certainly a position that could be addressed in the upcoming draft, especially with the potential talent available in this class.

     
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    PLEASE no more CB's in the 1st 2 rounds, that's all I ask this year. So far our CB's stink but honestly I'm scared that BB will spend high on another CB this year and I'm getting tired of it. How many picks do the Pats need to use in rounds 1-2 before they can put together a decent secondary? I'm praying they package both 1st rounders together to move up and get a true pass rusher, but I doubt this will happen. I'm putting the odds of grabbing a pass rusher in the 1st at 2.3% and the odds of grabbing another CB in the first 3 picks at 95%
     
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    I urge you all to ignore posters that have nothing to add to this thread.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : It really depends on what kind of player they're looking for.  I like Broyles a lot, think his game and skill set translates well to NE's style of offense.  I also like what I've seen from Maze, both are are smaller quick twitch type kids with good RAC ability, however both may be better operating out of the slot. Blackmon on the otherhand is a pure #1 WR type that can impact the game from anywhere on the field.  Physically, he looks like T.O. to me and IMO is a potential top tier WR in the NFL.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07

    BB is not going to take a WR in the first round.  He never has and I don't see him doing it this year either.  He has to be frustrated with the lack of pass rush and coverage play.  I think S or DE or both positions will be addressed early on.  Every year we talk about getting top tier offensive skill players and we don't do it.  BB prefers to get his WR through free agency or in later rounds.  We still don't know what we have in Taylor Price.  Welker will be extended.  Ocho will be lucky if he isn't cut soon.

    DE, S, C, CB would be my choices with our first 4 picks.  I also would not rule out another OT or TE.  Hernandez appears to be a guy who will struggle to stay healthy with his style of play. 
     
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    I urge you all to ignore posters that have nothing to add to this thread.
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    I had forgotten why I had 1966 on ignore, now I remember
     
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    Same.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : BB is not going to take a WR in the first round.  He never has and I don't see him doing it this year either.  He has to be frustrated with the lack of pass rush and coverage play.  I think S or DE or both positions will be addressed early on.  Every year we talk about getting top tier offensive skill players and we don't do it.  BB prefers to get his WR through free agency or in later rounds.  We still don't know what we have in Taylor Price.  Welker will be extended.  Ocho will be lucky if he isn't cut soon. DE, S, C, CB would be my choices with our first 4 picks.  I also would not rule out another OT or TE.  Hernandez appears to be a guy who will struggle to stay healthy with his style of play. 
    Posted by Faucetman


    I agree with the exception of the DE. It's becoming increasing clear that BB hasn't been comfortable drafting a DE in the 1st for a number of years now. It seems that the DB and OL are the most likely positions BB will chose for 1st round picks.

    With WR's/RB's it seems like BB likes to grab skill position players in the late 2nd to 3rd area. Most people don't think BB has patterns but for a couple of years now he has followed a pretty set path.

    #1 - Trading down for multiple picks into next year and in late rounds
    #2 - A DB will be picked within the first 2 rounds
    #3 - The third round and 4th round is where you take high talent players that have fallen because of off field issues or injures
    #4 - 5th and beyond picks are used mainly for trading for future picks or vets. If used it's to build depth in positions that don't have a lot of bodies going into camp
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : It really depends on what kind of player they're looking for.  I like Broyles a lot, think his game and skill set translates well to NE's style of offense.  I also like what I've seen from Maze, both are are smaller quick twitch type kids with good RAC ability, however both may be better operating out of the slot. Blackmon on the otherhand is a pure #1 WR type that can impact the game from anywhere on the field.  Physically, he looks like T.O. to me and IMO is a potential top tier WR in the NFL.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    MB,

    Blackmon and Floyd will be the sexy picks at WR leading up the draft for sure.  However, Belichick doesn't draft for sexy, at least not anymore.  Since '06/'07 when he took a gamble on Maroney and Merriweather, two guys with questionable work habits but immense talent, he's followed  that up by taking the following guys with his first pick in each draft - Mayo, Chung, McCourtey and Solder.  Basically all safe, dependable "Patriots Way" type guys. 

    Just saying..don't get your hopes up.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : BB is not going to take a WR in the first round.  He never has and I don't see him doing it this year either.  He has to be frustrated with the lack of pass rush and coverage play.  I think S or DE or both positions will be addressed early on.  Every year we talk about getting top tier offensive skill players and we don't do it.  BB prefers to get his WR through free agency or in later rounds.  We still don't know what we have in Taylor Price.  Welker will be extended.  Ocho will be lucky if he isn't cut soon. DE, S, C, CB would be my choices with our first 4 picks.  I also would not rule out another OT or TE.  Hernandez appears to be a guy who will struggle to stay healthy with his style of play. 
    Posted by Faucetman


    I don't disagree, WR, specifically Blackmon is more what I want them to do vs. what I think they'll do.

    Pass rush/Secondary is clearly the biggest need, so that would be something I'd like to see addressed. 

    As for TE, Tyler Eifert the 6-6 250 junior from ND is a kid to keep an eye one. 

    I see this kid play on a weekly basis and he's developed into a nice weapon in the passing game; great size and athleticism, adequate to good speed, very good hands and ball skills and can threaten the seem.  He's also a versatile kid that can operate inline (as both a blocker and receiver), lined up as an H-back or out of the slot.  He also has the size that BB loves in the position.
     
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    We have also seen for 2 years BB not wanting to address the pass rush. While we are still only 3 games into the season, getting a Quinton Coples or someone similar would be imperative.

    Sometimes I think he overanalyzes things; takes the "genius" moniker too seriously. I'm not saying I would rather have another coach for the Pats, but he is as fallible as anyone.

    Shining said how safe he was taking the first round...I agree...I also agree he won't draft a center early. I think if Broyles is hanging around in the late 2nd, he may be a target, especially with Ocho-stinko looking like he could get cut.
     
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