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    hey nate, only have a sec.   but try to give  a brief thought till later. if we dont find out that price is the receiver we need outside the #'s and we dont target a receiver already in the nfl for next season, i'm moving up wr (outside the #s guy) to near top of our draft needs (tough cause it's one position bb and the draft team cannot seem to pick). agree about need at dl, but also see need for upgrade at lb. at safety i see the higher need at fs not strong safety. and cb not as high a need, but they are always helpful. this is in flux as we/i see how players are doing to fill these positions. ive posted draft needs i see a month or so ago. center is included, but with all the other needs, i think it might be better to draft a center in mid rounds than high for the most polished one. good to read your thoughts as usual. peace
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    i really did think about taking a WR high in this years draft, but blackmon will be gone and we still have the #1 passing offense and with the poliferation of the huge nose tackles throughout the league we need a large tough center to deal with them. plus koppen being in the last year of his deal we need a center with the potential to start right away not a 2 year prospect.  brewster meets this mold. plus BB's record on drafting WR's is pretty poor early in the draft.  I was expecting him to do the usual route and simply pick one up in the FA or through a trade.  (moss/welker) we are fairly deep at the WR position which is why i chose to select a 6'5" developmental WR in the 7th round.  I agree with your assessment of our need at LB and FS, which is why i selected kenny tate because he is the hybrid LB/S position bb has wanted. I believe that BB will move bodden to FS, chung at SS and have dowling/mcCourty as the CB's with jenoris jenkins in the slot.  thanks for the imput. I am going to try to find a good FS to work into the draft as well.
 
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    We should sign Charles Godfrey or Michael Griffin at safety this offseason. They are both the speed/ball-hawk cover types that would pair perfectly with Chung. Finally we'd have a pair of great safeties in their mid-20's. Then that is one less draft pick to have to waste. Our #1 picks (assuming he doesn't trade one or both) should be spent on pass rushers. Crick may bfall to the late 20's b/c of his muscle tear and there are several highly rated DE/OLB types that will be available in the 20's and we need one of them... someone to join Anderson/Carter on the outside and really get in the backfield. One of 2nd rd picks can be used on a C (there will be 3 starter quality C's avaialb;e in this round) who can share time with Connelly next year in the way Light/Solder are splitting time now. The other 2nd rd pick should be used on a reciever b/c Branch and Ocho are old. Everyone seems to love Broyles. 3rd/4th rd picks should be LB and CB depth IMO. I don' see us losing BJGE or anyone on the D/O-lines to make us need to waste picks on thise positions.
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    i will have to look into these guys, thanks for the tip could be nice to have an experienced FS.
     
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    calvin johnson is '6-5 who runs a 4.35. those guys will be picked in early rounds. you have to pick between height and speed.

    i don't really care about the height too much. the height is more important in the red zone. i think the TEs are fine for that. 

    i am more interested in someone who can actually stretch the field for welk, and the TEs starting from their own territory. someone who is at least 6'1" with the toughness and play-making ability of steve smith (also 4.35 i think) would be my preference. we're talking about someone with with sub-4.45 40 but has the versatility to play the shorter passes. if the pats can pick someone in the 3rd or 4th, that would be perfect.


     
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    no response on my mock draft by mbeaulieu07? patseng? laz?
     
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    lol sorry Nate, been rough at work haven't had time to fully analysis a response.

    Overall I do like the premise of draftng a number of DE's. I do think Haynesworth might be back because the numbers don't get bad until after next year I'm not confident Ellis, Carter, or Anderson will be back. With Ellis and Carter it's just aging they might not be back but with Anderson his one role is sacks in this defense. Carter provides the pressure and Anderson was suppose to get the sacks. He has 3 sacks on the last plays of games this year and other then that he hasn't gotten to the QB so I don't see him back if they can find a better option. On that note I agree going heavy DE this draft is smart and starting with Crick is a great way to start.

    With Brewster, he's the type of C I want but BB doesn't grab C's early or often. I fully expect BB to try to grab a C in the later rounds and have Connolly handle the C position for one more year. With BB it seems that he likes raw high upside C's that they can mold into what they want not ones that have already developed into their role. Expect to see a C with good-great passing blocking ability but not necessarily great run blocking (with the G's and T's we have we can afford to have a QB type of C)

    Jenkins would make me and MB very happy. Having a CB core of Ras, Jenkins, and DMC could be great then move Bodden over the S with Chung and you might be forming something special.

    Tate is a big S small LB much like Brown, Barrett, and Ihdigbo. IMO or SS position is fine what we need is a coverage FS unless you plan on moving Ras to the FS position (ala Meri) and having Jenkins replace him

    the rest of your picks seem pretty solid. I do have to wonder on Green though. Do we need another receiving TE or do we try to find another blocking TE. With Gronk and Hern being the main TE's most of the time the 3rd TE might only find a role as an extra blocker. I might look for a TE that was converted to a T late in their college careers or maybe wait to see how the other Gronk performs. D Gronk seems to blocking better since coming back for injury and might be fine as a 3rd TE for blocking purposes.

    I wonder why grab a WR so late. With Ocho struggling and Branch getting older it seems Welker might be the only option (if they don't resign him they will tag him). Is there someone in FA you think they'd target?
     
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    I think this draft is weak where the Pats need to get a lot better at....S.
    A couple of guys (late 2nd to mid 4th) that might take a good look at is Robert Lester (LSU) Late 2nd/early 3rd and Winston Guy (Kentucky) for mid/late 3rd to mid 4th.  It stinks that these S's may go about 20 picks higher than they should because of the "thinness" of this position.
     
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    OK my first mock of the season.

    I don't plan on trades this far from the draft so here it is without any trades. Not the position of the picks is what they would be if the season ended today:

    #24 (Saints pick) - Alameda Ta'amu NT: This guy is massive at 6'3" 330lbs he would anchor the line next to Wilfork. With Haynesworth still uncertain past this year yet alone next and Love being good but not great there is a chance to upgrade the interior rush. As we've seen when the pocket collapse from within the G's we get pressure on the QB resulting in happy feet by QB's and sacks. Ta'amu has taken on double and triple teams this year and still managed to collapse the pocket from within. Though the double teams being pushed back is impressive you should see his real specialty the running game. Last time I saw talent like his clogging gaps and making 1 arm tackles was when Wilfork was in college.
    - Alt pick: Jared Crick

    #30 - Robert Lester FS: He's a ball hawk coverage FS that last year posted 8 ints along with an impressive amount of pass def's. This year he hasn't lived up to his stats last year but one big reason is because QB's aren't throwing his way. For me it's unheard of that a QB wouldn't throw a direction based on the S in coverage. Lester would go a long way next to Chung and should improve the secondary drastically
    - Alt pick: Ryan Broyles WR

    #54 - Vinny Curry DE: One of the most productive pass rushers last year (12 sacks) so far he's held steady with solid plays this year. Even though his numbers have taken a hit from last year it's because of the extra attention paid to him this year. He's gained 10lbs this year and could gain another 10 in the NFL putting him just above 270 perfect for a rushing DE. He has sub 4.7 speed but can also bull rush and has developed a couple of moves that just need to develop a bit further. But, with 2 titans in the middle O's can't afford to keep extra men on Curry which should set him free to terrorize the backfield.
    - Alt pick: Devin Taylor DE/LB

    #62 - Janoris Jenkins CB: Our secondary still needs work and Jenkins is a top 15 talent who was forced into a AA school because of pot incidents. This is the A typical pick BB makes. One of which he can't turn down considering how a young core of Ras, DMC, Jenkins, Chung, and Lester would look in the backfield.
    - Alt pick: Chase Minnfield CB

    #93 - Chris Owusu WR: I know, I know another WR in the 3rd and one that had a knee injury to boot. But, that is why BB will take him. At 6'2" he has the height to out jump CB's and with 4.45 speed he can make down the field quick. He is someone that could have made the 1st round with the exception of 2 big things. First being the knee injury. A WR that had a knee injury is a risky prospect esp with the number of WR's in this draft. Second being that his QB is Luck. That brings up the question was it Luck or Owusu? Most would say Luck. But, given we have Brady and if Owusu's knee is fine I expect him to be a extremely productive down field threat. Not a Moss type but something above Patton
    - Alt pick: Ronnell Lewis OLB

    #125 - Ben Harben C: Harben might be a little small but so was Koppen. Harben could be one of the best pass blocking C in the draft but his main asset is being the QB of the OU line. He is very smart and can pick out the blitz setting up the blocking schemes. He has the talent to be molded into a Koppen type of player
    - Alt pick: Cam Johnson DE


     
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    lol sorry Nate, been rough at work haven't had time to fully analysis a response. Overall I do like the premise of draftng a number of DE's. I do think Haynesworth might be back because the numbers don't get bad until after next year I'm not confident Ellis, Carter, or Anderson will be back. With Ellis and Carter it's just aging they might not be back but with Anderson his one role is sacks in this defense. Carter provides the pressure and Anderson was suppose to get the sacks. He has 3 sacks on the last plays of games this year and other then that he hasn't gotten to the QB so I don't see him back if they can find a better option. On that note I agree going heavy DE this draft is smart and starting with Crick is a great way to start. With Brewster, he's the type of C I want but BB doesn't grab C's early or often. I fully expect BB to try to grab a C in the later rounds and have Connolly handle the C position for one more year. With BB it seems that he likes raw high upside C's that they can mold into what they want not ones that have already developed into their role. Expect to see a C with good-great passing blocking ability but not necessarily great run blocking (with the G's and T's we have we can afford to have a QB type of C) Jenkins would make me and MB very happy. Having a CB core of Ras, Jenkins, and DMC could be great then move Bodden over the S with Chung and you might be forming something special. Tate is a big S small LB much like Brown, Barrett, and Ihdigbo. IMO or SS position is fine what we need is a coverage FS unless you plan on moving Ras to the FS position (ala Meri) and having Jenkins replace him the rest of your picks seem pretty solid. I do have to wonder on Green though. Do we need another receiving TE or do we try to find another blocking TE. With Gronk and Hern being the main TE's most of the time the 3rd TE might only find a role as an extra blocker. I might look for a TE that was converted to a T late in their college careers or maybe wait to see how the other Gronk performs. D Gronk seems to blocking better since coming back for injury and might be fine as a 3rd TE for blocking purposes. I wonder why grab a WR so late. With Ocho struggling and Branch getting older it seems Welker might be the only option (if they don't resign him they will tag him). Is there someone in FA you think they'd target?
    Posted by PatsEng


    the reason i selected green was because when hernandez is out due to injury, which is sadly pretty often this year our offs=ense misses a beat, with another pass cathing threat TE with some size to him we keep the mismatch that we would have with hernandez.  i chose WR so late due to BB's history of selecting WR's in the draft. i figure he will trade for someone or pick someone up in FA.  we are currently stacked at WR and the jury is still out on ocho/price/endelman. right now it is not a priority. thanks for the feed back
     
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    patseng, i was looking at Alameda Ta'amu NT as well he is a stud who i think will see his value rise sadly out of our pick range. but if he were to fall to us similar to wilfork i would not hesitate to pick him up.
     
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    sorry guys...i don't know what you guys see in ta'amu. i saw him for 2 Qs against colorado and 3 Qs this week against Stanford. he is big but his legs are not strong. against stanford yesterday, he was consistently blocked one on one. there was no double team most of the time and he was finding himself sitting on his behind. he did better vs colorado (!) but not by much. no earlier than mid-5th i guess.
     
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    I think this draft is weak where the Pats need to get a lot better at....S. A couple of guys (late 2nd to mid 4th) that might take a good look at is Robert Lester (LSU) Late 2nd/early 3rd and Winston Guy (Kentucky) for mid/late 3rd to mid 4th.  It stinks that these S's may go about 20 picks higher than they should because of the "thinness" of this position.
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    lester was the guy i posted here and was thinking about.
     
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    OK my first mock of the season. I don't plan on trades this far from the draft so here it is without any trades. Not the position of the picks is what they would be if the season ended today: #24 (Saints pick) - Alameda Ta'amu NT : This guy is massive at 6'3" 330lbs he would anchor the line next to Wilfork. With Haynesworth still uncertain past this year yet alone next and Love being good but not great there is a chance to upgrade the interior rush. As we've seen when the pocket collapse from within the G's we get pressure on the QB resulting in happy feet by QB's and sacks. Ta'amu has taken on double and triple teams this year and still managed to collapse the pocket from within. Though the double teams being pushed back is impressive you should see his real specialty the running game. Last time I saw talent like his clogging gaps and making 1 arm tackles was when Wilfork was in college. - Alt pick: Jared Crick #30 - Robert Lester FS: He's a ball hawk coverage FS that last year posted 8 ints along with an impressive amount of pass def's. This year he hasn't lived up to his stats last year but one big reason is because QB's aren't throwing his way. For me it's unheard of that a QB wouldn't throw a direction based on the S in coverage. Lester would go a long way next to Chung and should improve the secondary drastically - Alt pick: Ryan Broyles WR #54 - Vinny Curry DE: One of the most productive pass rushers last year (12 sacks) so far he's held steady with solid plays this year. Even though his numbers have taken a hit from last year it's because of the extra attention paid to him this year. He's gained 10lbs this year and could gain another 10 in the NFL putting him just above 270 perfect for a rushing DE. He has sub 4.7 speed but can also bull rush and has developed a couple of moves that just need to develop a bit further. But, with 2 titans in the middle O's can't afford to keep extra men on Curry which should set him free to terrorize the backfield. - Alt pick: Devin Taylor DE/LB #62 - Janoris Jenkins CB: Our secondary still needs work and Jenkins is a top 15 talent who was forced into a AA school because of pot incidents. This is the A typical pick BB makes. One of which he can't turn down considering how a young core of Ras, DMC, Jenkins, Chung, and Lester would look in the backfield. - Alt pick: Chase Minnfield CB #93 - Chris Owusu WR: I know, I know another WR in the 3rd and one that had a knee injury to boot. But, that is why BB will take him. At 6'2" he has the height to out jump CB's and with 4.45 speed he can make down the field quick. He is someone that could have made the 1st round with the exception of 2 big things. First being the knee injury. A WR that had a knee injury is a risky prospect esp with the number of WR's in this draft. Second being that his QB is Luck. That brings up the question was it Luck or Owusu? Most would say Luck. But, given we have Brady and if Owusu's knee is fine I expect him to be a extremely productive down field threat. Not a Moss type but something above Patton - Alt pick: Ronnell Lewis OLB #125 - Ben Harben C: Harben might be a little small but so was Koppen. Harben could be one of the best pass blocking C in the draft but his main asset is being the QB of the OU line. He is very smart and can pick out the blitz setting up the blocking schemes. He has the talent to be molded into a Koppen type of player - Alt pick: Cam Johnson DE
    Posted by PatsEng


    agaiin dont have the time this deserves. this is closer to what i see in needs, but what of lb? are we going to grab someone already up in the nfl in the offseason?
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : the reason i selected green was because when hernandez is out due to injury, which is sadly pretty often this year our offs=ense misses a beat, with another pass cathing threat TE with some size to him we keep the mismatch that we would have with hernandez.  i chose WR so late due to BB's history of selecting WR's in the draft. i figure he will trade for someone or pick someone up in FA.  we are currently stacked at WR and the jury is still out on ocho/price/endelman. right now it is not a priority. thanks for the feed back
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    i see your rationale. but if d gronk doenst work we can jsut as easily pick someone else released. disagree completely about being stacked at wr. hopefull we can pick someone up or draft someone otherwise we will be chllenged at times without a wr threat outside the #'s.
     
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    the being stacked at WR comment refers to if you think price and ocho will work out or not. i think so so therefore we are set.
     
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    nate,
     so you like them both to become legitimate.
    that of course would be ideal.
    seems to me ocho  lost his brain and may not find it. if he doesnt he will be an embarrassment to himself.

     i dont assume either one of them will workout till i see it/the potential on the filed.

    price flashed in preseason. id be playing him not ocho for the most part.
    he couldnt not perform in a worse fashion than ocho.
     
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    z and all.
    did you watch wisconson and oaklahoma go down.
    i was loving it (as an sec fan).
    damn michigan state tried hard for most of the second half to give that game away.
    id like to see the 2 best teams in the nc game and right now thats lsu/bama.

    who you got nov 5th z ? :)
    i'm rooting for lsu
    but have no problem rooting for the winner thereafter for the season/national championship.

    if oregon beats stanford and ok st loses which i expect, and clemson loses, there will be a lot of pressure to have boise in there against lsu - alabama winner.


    clemson may have the best shot to make the other slot in the title game. they only have to beat south carolina. and win the other 2 games.

    honestly between clemson and boise id rather see boise.
    let them take thoir lumps like theyve been clamoring for forever even though they play no one all year till bowl season. i think lsu would cream them. prob alabama would too.

    out
    peace

    tyrann mathiew is in the heisman race.
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : agaiin dont have the time this deserves. this is closer to what i see in needs, but what of lb? are we going to grab someone already up in the nfl in the offseason?
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    The reason I didn't go LB is a couple of reasons.

    First being that the rush starts from the line and ripples out from there. Without a great front 3/4 LB's won't be effective. With Carter, Ellis, Anderson, Haynesworth still unknown for up and coming years that leaves Cunningham, Love, Wilfork, Deadrick, and Brace for right now. Wilfork is the only starter I see and even though Love looks decent against the run I don't think he can collapse the pocket from within the G's. Brace and Deadrick I don't see as anything more the backups at this point but that could change.

    Second is BB himself. He just doesn't draft OLB's. Last one he drafted was Cunningham and he has taken a Butler esc turn in his second season. I don't see BB going OLB again this draft because I don't think he trusts himself to draft one.

    Third with current personal you have Spikes as your starting ILB, Fletcher as backup ILB, Guyton as a OLB/ILB, Mayo as a OLB/ILB. With Spikes and Mayo starting that leaves 1 spot open to fill. You have Tarp as a young guy with promise and Nin. I just see BB looking at that and deciding he needs rush from the line and his LB core looks pretty good.

    I see heavy DL and DB's this year with another WR tossed in and maybe a C in the mid rounds or as a UDFA but mainly heavy D on this one

     
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    we really need a mangold type of Center so i want BB to take brewster in the 
    2nd round! The man is 6'5" and should be able to compete with the ever larger NT of the 3-4.  Koppen struggles with larger NT which is why teams such as the ravens give us so many problems.
     
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    nate,  so you like them both to become legitimate. that of course would be ideal. seems to me ocho  lost his brain and may not find it. if he doesnt he will be an embarrassment to himself.  i dont assume either one of them will workout till i see it/the potential on the filed. price flashed in preseason. id be playing him not ocho for the most part. he couldnt not perform in a worse fashion than ocho.
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    Ocho was not meant to be a 1st WR in our offense, thats welker/gronk/hernandez, he was meant to have a few big catches in each game to keep the D honest and not just stack the box.  Teams do see him as a threat now, we just need more time with him, his catching skills are improving and by week 14 he should be a good player. sadly price is not getting the playing time and i fear that it might hurt his development.
     
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    we really need a mangold type of Center so i want BB to take brewster in the  2nd round! The man is 6'5" and should be able to compete with the ever larger NT of the 3-4.  Koppen struggles with larger NT which is why teams such as the ravens give us so many problems.
    Posted by natesubs


    The biggest issue with a 6'5" C is look at the size around him at G and T. Brady is only so tall and if you have an OL who are all taller then Brady you're essentially removing throwing lanes and creating blind spots for LB's to hide in. You're better off with a shorter more stout C in the middle because it opens up Brady's vision and lets him see the field
     
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    In Response to Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread*** : The reason I didn't go LB is a couple of reasons. First being that the rush starts from the line and ripples out from there. Without a great front 3/4 LB's won't be effective. With Carter, Ellis, Anderson, Haynesworth still unknown for up and coming years that leaves Cunningham, Love, Wilfork, Deadrick, and Brace for right now. Wilfork is the only starter I see and even though Love looks decent against the run I don't think he can collapse the pocket from within the G's. Brace and Deadrick I don't see as anything more the backups at this point but that could change. Second is BB himself. He just doesn't draft OLB's. Last one he drafted was Cunningham and he has taken a Butler esc turn in his second season. I don't see BB going OLB again this draft because I don't think he trusts himself to draft one. Third with current personal you have Spikes as your starting ILB, Fletcher as backup ILB, Guyton as a OLB/ILB, Mayo as a OLB/ILB. With Spikes and Mayo starting that leaves 1 spot open to fill. You have Tarp as a young guy with promise and Nin. I just see BB looking at that and deciding he needs rush from the line and his LB core looks pretty good. I see heavy DL and DB's this year with another WR tossed in and maybe a C in the mid rounds or as a UDFA but mainly heavy D on this one
    Posted by PatsEng


    thanks eng,
    your takes are my takes on everything above but on the lbs.

    re:" I just see BB looking at that and deciding he needs rush from the line and his LB core looks pretty good."

    mayo is pretty good. spikes a little this way and a little that. nink and fletch good backups. i dont like having guyton on the team period. i want at least one upgrade. i appreciate the refreshingly honest,  "bb doesnt trust himself to take an olb". for me that is not an excuse not to get a free agent or hire personnel for the drafting team who can pick one (which i have been saying for a while now anyway- we need to change our evaluators and decision-makers and bring in people who are better at evaluating positions we do poorly evaluating [and ideally a gm with equal weight in draft decisionmaking to bb]).

    so whether bb will pick one vs the need are 2 different things. i like to discuss the actual need. most here seem to combine the 2 (need and what bb may do). some explicitly say they are just guessing what bb will do, though few do that consistently for the whole draft.

    for me the fun is assessing need and finding fit. not where we may go because we are not able to do what we should set out to do.

    thanks again for the psot

    peace
     
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    I agree brd that OLB is a position of need but one I think can be compensated for currently.

    I would put another DT and a rushing DE ahead of the OLB currently because I truly believe pressure starts in the trenches and if you have the right guys up front it ripples out from there. So I leans towards the DL first and fore most.

    After the DL I look at this secondary and realize it's a paper tiger at times. I have faith DMC will return to form and if Ras can stay on the field he looks like a solid option. Arrington is a good nickel and dime CB but not a starting caliber CB. Bodden is agin right in front of our eyes and might be best in the Sanders role. Ideally a coverage FS would help the secondary immensely and give an opportunity for the OLB's to get coverage sacks if the interior rush collapses the pocket from inside the G's preventing the QB from stepping up. I'm not sure I'd go CB again but Jenkins is a top 15 talent where if he were to fall to the very end of the 2nd he's to good to turn down.

    So just looking at that if (and mind you that's a huge if) you spend all 4 picks in the first couple rounds for me you go DT, pass rushing DE, FS, and Jenkins (if available). For me that would help the D more then improving OLB from Nin.

    Going into the 3rd would be where you'd look at a OLB in my scenario but that's dependent on how you feel about the WR's (both in the draft and on the team). If you are comfortable with Price, Ocho, and Branch producing next year with Welker coming back then go OLB but as of right now I'm not convinced Ocho or Price can be productive until I see it on the field (though I think Price has the ability) and looking at Branch it looks like he's losing looks from Brady (maybe not getting the same separation he use to). So given the amount of talent in the draft I went WR. But, I'll look through some LB's and give you some options on guys for OLB's in the 2nd/3rd area

    With the 4th Connolly is a good replacement but I don't want Connolly protecting Brady in his twilight. Given no other picks past the 4th currently I put C a higher priority then OLB.

    Give me some time and I'll do some research on some OLB's. In 10' and 09' I was about 60% calling OLB's in the first couple rounds that have become starters. This past year though not looking so good.
     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***

    Howdy Boys, haven't been on for a couple of weeks and am playing catch up.

    I wanted to touch on the TE topic a bit.  The Gronk/Hern combo is all world at this point, but I could see them targeting this position again, assuming they can come away with another dual threat type mismatch nightmare.  Also, with Hernandez serving more of a slot/split wide role, another player with inline potential would be a value add.  Based on what I've seen so far this season, there are (3) kids that have impressed me:

    Tyler Eifert- 6-6 249- ND (Junior)
    Coby Fleener- 6-6 244- Stanford (Senior)
    Levine Toilolo- 6-8 263- Stanford (Junior)

    Eifert is quickly becoming one of my favorite players in this draft as he's adept at creating seperation in man as well as locating the soft spot in zone coverage, working the middle of the field and has become a real go to player for ND's offense.  He's an athletic kid with great size and length, is versatile with experience inline as well as the slot and possesses good RAC ability.  He has the potential to develop into -IMO- a player that's on par or better than Kyle Rudolph who was taken #43 overall by the Vikings in 2011.

    As for the Stanford kids, I see some similarities between Standford and our Patriots in that both teams really rely on their TE's to create mismatches, both vertically and in the short to intermediate passing games.  Fleener is a highly ranked TE (probably the highest ranked senior at the position) and has made a ton of big plays this season for the Cardinal (7 TD's) while Toilolo is a sleeper that I liken to Jimmy Graham in that he's a relative unknown.  Keep in mind that this kid is an athletic 6-8 which at the very least makes him an awesome weapon in the redzone.

    Keep an eye on these three as the season progresses.

    Also, as most of you know, I'm a huge ND fan and it just so happens that they have quality prospects that will be talked about frequently as we get closer to draft day.  Obviously Manti Te'o and Michael Floyd are known commodities but a lesser known kid is S Harrison Smith.  For those of you that are looking for a S with size, this kid has it (6-2 and a rock solid 215, which I would guess is closer to 220+), he's also an aggressive kid thats excellent in run support, is always around the football and will attack the LOS.  He's also a leader and captain on the team and has a ton of experience (40+ career starts), is a tackling machine (260+ and counting) and appears to have atleast adequate ball skills (18 pass break ups, 7 INTs).  I wouldn't say he's an ultra-athletic kid, but he's blue collar and will bring it on every down and IMO projects as a starting S at the NFL level.
    He's likely to be available in the middle rounds (3-5).

    As is CB Robert Blanton, he's another good sized kid (6-0 200) that has really come on this season and made a ton of big plays.  He isn't a burner (likely 4.5 range), but is a physical kid and willing run defender.

    As for later round kids, OLB Darius Fleming is a kid to keep an eye on, he's a solid 6-2 265, with a ton of experience (Butkus Watch List) that's shown the ability to make plays behind the LOS (30 career TFL and counting to go along with 13.5 sacks).

    Lastly, 6-4 300 DT Ethan Johnson (Hendricks Watch List) is another experienced kid that may generate some interest in the later rounds, he's a scheme diverse kid that's starting both 43 and 34 schemes.

     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***

    does anybody have any opinion on dontari poe of memphis? 6'5" 250 lbs. i have not seen him play and i don't think memphis will be on national tv this season (i will not see them play). photos show that he is not a fatso 250 lber. same stats as ta'amu. different caliber of teams in their conferences of course, but perhaps coachable. 
     
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    Re: ***2012 Patriots Draft Thread***

    sorry, poe is 350 lbs not 250.
     
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