***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    what gives mb, no nd talk. lets have at it.

    i woudnt mind a k state alabama nc game

    florida ndame game for 3 and 4.

    presuming oregon loses a game.

    i think k state and nd are overanked (as ive said). but i wouldnt mind the above

    imagine having to play a whole season of sec teams (every year)

    but you can go to a bcs game not playing one of teh top 5 sec ranked top 11, 6 in top 13.

     

     




    Been a fun team to watch this year... defense is elite, offense is very much a work in progress... and for what it's worth, they play one of, if not the toughest schedules in the country and have a very tough match up this week as they'll play Oklahoma, in Norman... they also have USC still on the schedule.  IF they win out, they should be in the BCS championship game as they'll have 5 wins against teams that were ranked at the time they were playing (MSU, Michigan, Stanford, OKlahoma & USC), with (3) against teams that were then top 10 ranked (MSU, Oklahoma & USC).



    good stuff.

    mish st was well overrnaked.

    stanford about where they shoudl have been last week (20) and was that a "win"?

    oklahoma has improved over the year, shoudl be teh game of teh year for you.

    usc is not that good.

    still love to see nd and florida in bcs game.

    nice d!

    you want te'o on our team?




    No doubt that MSU was overrated... which is prob worse than overrnaked? haha

    It was a win, the NCAA director of officiating, or whatever his title is, said it was the correct call and that the crew on the field made the right call... could it have gone both ways? Sure.

    SC's strength (passing offense) will be a good test for ND and their rookie CB's... I also look forward to seeing them vs. Oregon.

    I too would love to see ND vs. FLA... outside of ND, FLA is the team that I prob like the most... have always been a bit of a Gator fan... love "The Swamp"... was a huge Tebow fan too.

    Would love to see Te'o in Foxboro... just an awesome player and presence... would just be a matter of where to fit him in... they'd also likely need to move up to get him (how far is TBD) which would require them to kick Hightower outside to more of a rush end/OLB role.



    good to hear your thougths re te'o here.

    didnt know you too like some florida.

    i'm from fl (relocated after growing up in n.e.). why i root for sec and fla teams in college fball

    agree on usc having some good wrs. i hear you on seeign on how nd stacks up there.

    thoughts on todays game, team as a whole, josh mcd gamecalling, bb's coaching/and stubborness, future draft (what youd like, what you think bb might do), will we get a f.a. safety or cb, your thoery on why bb wont hire top league coaches and coordinators (ive already wighed in).

    nice chatting with you here today.

    peace

     
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    oh and tougest scehdule in the country not one upper half sec team?

    thats why i want to see you ion a bcs or bowl game.

    better yet, join teh sec. that woudla been aweseome  (this past offseason:)

    but i forgot no one wants to join the sec, unless they have no n.c. chance and just need money.

    who wants to play all those teams week in and week out



    Yes, one of the toughest schedules in the country.

    ND is still an "Independent" in football, but have joined the ACC in all other sports (besides hockey)... they'll also be playing (5) ACC teams per year, which will allow them to keep their historical matchups (Navy, Purdue, SC... etc.).

    They keep winning and they'll be able to lure some SEC area talent to South Bend, as they have with DE Stephon Tuitt (out of GA) and NT Louis Nix (out of FLA).

     
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    oh and tougest scehdule in the country not one upper half sec team?

    thats why i want to see you ion a bcs or bowl game.

    better yet, join teh sec. that woudla been aweseome  (this past offseason:)

    but i forgot no one wants to join the sec, unless they have no n.c. chance and just need money.

    who wants to play all those teams week in and week out



    Yes, one of the toughest schedules in the country.

    ND is still an "Independent" in football, but have joined the ACC in all other sports (besides hockey)... they'll also be playing (5) ACC teams per year, which will allow them to keep their historical matchups (Navy, Purdue, SC... etc.).

    They keep winning and they'll be able to lure some SEC area talent to South Bend, as they have with DE Stephon Tuitt (out of GA) and NT Louis Nix (out of FLA).



    i agree and i dont like that nyaaaaa.

    acc yup keep their chanes of nc muuuuuch easier.

    i hope they get forced to choose eventually.

    stil big and big east suck so they will be safe nto having to play an sec or a apc scheduel all year.

    the toughest schedule in teh league is the sec imo ...period.

    every year teasm start teh seasoon rannked where they have no biz being, this skews the rankings all year.

     
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    what gives mb, no nd talk. lets have at it.

    i woudnt mind a k state alabama nc game

    florida ndame game for 3 and 4.

    presuming oregon loses a game.

    i think k state and nd are overanked (as ive said). but i wouldnt mind the above

    imagine having to play a whole season of sec teams (every year)

    but you can go to a bcs game not playing one of teh top 5 sec ranked top 11, 6 in top 13.

     

     




    Been a fun team to watch this year... defense is elite, offense is very much a work in progress... and for what it's worth, they play one of, if not the toughest schedules in the country and have a very tough match up this week as they'll play Oklahoma, in Norman... they also have USC still on the schedule.  IF they win out, they should be in the BCS championship game as they'll have 5 wins against teams that were ranked at the time they were playing (MSU, Michigan, Stanford, OKlahoma & USC), with (3) against teams that were then top 10 ranked (MSU, Oklahoma & USC).



    good stuff.

    mish st was well overrnaked.

    stanford about where they shoudl have been last week (20) and was that a "win"?

    oklahoma has improved over the year, shoudl be teh game of teh year for you.

    usc is not that good.

    still love to see nd and florida in bcs game.

    nice d!

    you want te'o on our team?




    No doubt that MSU was overrated... which is prob worse than overrnaked? haha

    It was a win, the NCAA director of officiating, or whatever his title is, said it was the correct call and that the crew on the field made the right call... could it have gone both ways? Sure.

    SC's strength (passing offense) will be a good test for ND and their rookie CB's... I also look forward to seeing them vs. Oregon.

    I too would love to see ND vs. FLA... outside of ND, FLA is the team that I prob like the most... have always been a bit of a Gator fan... love "The Swamp"... was a huge Tebow fan too.

    Would love to see Te'o in Foxboro... just an awesome player and presence... would just be a matter of where to fit him in... they'd also likely need to move up to get him (how far is TBD) which would require them to kick Hightower outside to more of a rush end/OLB role.



    good to hear your thougths re te'o here.

    didnt know you too like some florida.

    i'm from fl (relocated after growing up in n.e.). why i root for sec and fla teams in college fball

    agree on usc having some good wrs. i hear you on seeign on how nd stacks up there.

    thoughts on todays game, team as a whole, josh mcd gamecalling, bb's coaching/and stubborness, future draft (what youd like, what you think bb might do), will we get a f.a. safety or cb, your thoery on why bb wont hire top league coaches and coordinators (ive already wighed in).

    nice chatting with you here today.

    peace



    Nice to see both Dennard and Dowling flash some ball skills tonight, they weren't perfect, but progress is progress... hope it continues.  No idea what the appeal is with coaches that have little to no high level experience or background, maybe he see's himself in some of these guys, IDK.

    RE: The Draft... move up and get an impact defender (Werner or Montgomery or Milliner or John Jenkins, etc.)... they showed a willingness to move up last season, now that the rookie salary cap has been implemented... early returns are positive with Chandler, which may make the more willing to keep this trend going vs. simply looking for value at every spot.

     
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    @HC,

    It's a good question... I'll start by saying, for all the talk last year about Barron and how he was overrated due to the lack of overall depth in the 2012 S draft class, I'd still take him over any safety in this class as well.

    I look forward to watching more 2012 tape on Reid, as the more I watch of his 2011 tape, the more he looks like more of an athlete with hitting ability than a pure football player... the natural talent and movement ability is undeniable, but I'm seeing too many missed tackles and bad angles. 

    When I watch Elam on tape, I'd compare him (from a size/speed/physicality/aggression standpoint) favorably to Patrick Chung, though I think he's a much better cover guy.  He's used a lot as a nickel/slot cover guy (an area where Chung struggles), moves well in the short area... has solid awareness and will make a play on the football.  He's also a very good run defender, very physical... and while he can miss some tackles, he's often breaks down and is in good position to make a play.  His value to the Gators is clear as he's moved around quite a bit, blitzes often off the edge (not that NE would do any of that), plays with good technique and looks assignment sound and always seems to be around the football... he looks to be more of a finished product than Reid.

    Given my choice on 10/15/12, I'd take Elam over Reid.

    I do look forward to watching more S tape on this class though, which includes McDonald, Lester, Jefferson and Vaccaro, etc.




    I was wondering what you thought about another Alabama safety..Robert Lester?

     
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    Lester was a 2nd round maybe sneaking into late 1st round last year and this year he might have taken a step back. To me he's a late 2nd early 3rd round guy and that's about his ceiling, which is sad because he looked like he had so much upside last year, but so far his performance this year shows it wasn't so much upside as it was ceiling playing with Barron next to him. Given our coaching staff I'm not sure I'd target Lester at this point as without the right staff what you are seeing out of him gives him limited upside imo

     
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    Lester was a 2nd round maybe sneaking into late 1st round last year and this year he might have taken a step back. To me he's a late 2nd early 3rd round guy and that's about his ceiling, which is sad because he looked like he had so much upside last year, but so far his performance this year shows it wasn't so much upside as it was ceiling playing with Barron next to him. Given our coaching staff I'm not sure I'd target Lester at this point as without the right staff what you are seeing out of him gives him limited upside imo



    That's about where I have him as well, top 75 with some Rd 2 upside.

    If this continues, I don't know how he doesn't gut the secondary portion of his staff (Boyer/Flores) and or review/revise their process for identifying/drafting/developing secondary talent.

     

     
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    @HC,

    It's a good question... I'll start by saying, for all the talk last year about Barron and how he was overrated due to the lack of overall depth in the 2012 S draft class, I'd still take him over any safety in this class as well.

    I look forward to watching more 2012 tape on Reid, as the more I watch of his 2011 tape, the more he looks like more of an athlete with hitting ability than a pure football player... the natural talent and movement ability is undeniable, but I'm seeing too many missed tackles and bad angles. 

    When I watch Elam on tape, I'd compare him (from a size/speed/physicality/aggression standpoint) favorably to Patrick Chung, though I think he's a much better cover guy.  He's used a lot as a nickel/slot cover guy (an area where Chung struggles), moves well in the short area... has solid awareness and will make a play on the football.  He's also a very good run defender, very physical... and while he can miss some tackles, he's often breaks down and is in good position to make a play.  His value to the Gators is clear as he's moved around quite a bit, blitzes often off the edge (not that NE would do any of that), plays with good technique and looks assignment sound and always seems to be around the football... he looks to be more of a finished product than Reid.

    Given my choice on 10/15/12, I'd take Elam over Reid.

    I do look forward to watching more S tape on this class though, which includes McDonald, Lester, Jefferson and Vaccaro, etc.




    I was wondering what you thought about another Alabama safety..Robert Lester?




    Day 2 kids, should be top 75, with some Rd 2 upside.

     
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    Whatever we do, it has to be as close to a slam dunk as possible. Again, I am in favor of picking as high as we can and don't want to see us trade out or down. 

    Do we all see BB going defense again with his first couple of picks? 

    Looking at the offense I still see a need for an athletic receiver and some olinemen. I would really like to see the pats finally get a WR that can separate. Every team seems to have it excepT us. Again, not talking about te's and rb's. Lloyd has been all right, but we need some more. I don't see branch coming back and I don't see Edelman as that guy! Nor Hernandez! Nor Wes even if we resign him. Our te's should be quite good with Ballard back. Gronk and he should be beasts together, but still looking for an athletic WR that can stretch and play the sidelines...perhaps just tired of us giving up 20 yard plays and ready for us to make a few. 

    Whether we draft a de or DT, my number one requirement is a kid that cit put pressure on the QB. I don't care if it comes inside or out...although truth be told I wOuld like to see it come out as I believe we can use spikes, Hightower and mayo to generate it inside when called..just call it a bit more.

     
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    Whatever we do, it has to be as close to a slam dunk as possible. Again, I am in favor of picking as high as we can and don't want to see us trade out or down. 

    Do we all see BB going defense again with his first couple of picks? 

    Looking at the offense I still see a need for an athletic receiver and some olinemen. I would really like to see the pats finally get a WR that can separate. Every team seems to have it excepT us. Again, not talking about te's and rb's. Lloyd has been all right, but we need some more. I don't see branch coming back and I don't see Edelman as that guy! Nor Hernandez! Nor Wes even if we resign him. Our te's should be quite good with Ballard back. Gronk and he should be beasts together, but still looking for an athletic WR that can stretch and play the sidelines...perhaps just tired of us giving up 20 yard plays and ready for us to make a few. 

    Whether we draft a de or DT, my number one requirement is a kid that cit put pressure on the QB. I don't care if it comes inside or out...although truth be told I wOuld like to see it come out as I believe we can use spikes, Hightower and mayo to generate it inside when called..just call it a bit more.




    I do think it's either D or OL with the first couple picks.

    Welker and Edelman are both FA's after the season I believe and I don't see how they let Welker walk unless they plan to backfill him with Danny Amendola... I don't think Edelman should be a priority... decent depth player, but he is what he is.  I also don't see them throwing huge coin at a Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings or Dwayne Bowe type... though the latter would prob come at the best value.  Bottom line, I think they need to bring Welker back... he's too important to the offense.

     
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    Lester was a 2nd round maybe sneaking into late 1st round last year and this year he might have taken a step back. To me he's a late 2nd early 3rd round guy and that's about his ceiling, which is sad because he looked like he had so much upside last year, but so far his performance this year shows it wasn't so much upside as it was ceiling playing with Barron next to him. Given our coaching staff I'm not sure I'd target Lester at this point as without the right staff what you are seeing out of him gives him limited upside imo



    That's about where I have him as well, top 75 with some Rd 2 upside.

    If this continues, I don't know how he doesn't gut the secondary portion of his staff (Boyer/Flores) and or review/revise their process for identifying/drafting/developing secondary talent.

     



    now that is an understatement and of something ive been piping about (to moslty attacking detractorrs)  since ive been on this board. glad to hear you say it. sorry that it's true.

     
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    Whatever we do, it has to be as close to a slam dunk as possible. Again, I am in favor of picking as high as we can and don't want to see us trade out or down. 

    Do we all see BB going defense again with his first couple of picks? 

    Looking at the offense I still see a need for an athletic receiver and some olinemen. I would really like to see the pats finally get a WR that can separate. Every team seems to have it excepT us. Again, not talking about te's and rb's. Lloyd has been all right, but we need some more. I don't see branch coming back and I don't see Edelman as that guy! Nor Hernandez! Nor Wes even if we resign him. Our te's should be quite good with Ballard back. Gronk and he should be beasts together, but still looking for an athletic WR that can stretch and play the sidelines...perhaps just tired of us giving up 20 yard plays and ready for us to make a few. 

    Whether we draft a de or DT, my number one requirement is a kid that cit put pressure on the QB. I don't care if it comes inside or out...although truth be told I wOuld like to see it come out as I believe we can use spikes, Hightower and mayo to generate it inside when called..just call it a bit more.



    "Looking at the offense I still see a need for an athletic receiver and some olinemen. I would really like to see the pats finally get a WR that can separate. Every team seems to have it excepT us"

    wrote about that yeserday (speeratign wr) and what it would do for the whole offense.

    we have to do the db in fa (10 mil per year or not).  we need a top gun out there. there is zero confidence they can identify a top cb or safety and the line def and off is a need that has to be filled. 

    espn worte today thay our cbs woudl be cut by any other teram. i dotn knwo about that, certainly any good team.

    try this on:

    Teams have thrown 64 passes 16 or more yards downfield against the Patriots, the most against any team in the NFL. And they’ve been successful 45 percent of the time. 

    nearly 1 out of 2 long  passes

    pace for a record odf successful 20 plus yard targets.

     
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    Whatever we do, it has to be as close to a slam dunk as possible. Again, I am in favor of picking as high as we can and don't want to see us trade out or down. 

    Do we all see BB going defense again with his first couple of picks? 

    Looking at the offense I still see a need for an athletic receiver and some olinemen. I would really like to see the pats finally get a WR that can separate. Every team seems to have it excepT us. Again, not talking about te's and rb's. Lloyd has been all right, but we need some more. I don't see branch coming back and I don't see Edelman as that guy! Nor Hernandez! Nor Wes even if we resign him. Our te's should be quite good with Ballard back. Gronk and he should be beasts together, but still looking for an athletic WR that can stretch and play the sidelines...perhaps just tired of us giving up 20 yard plays and ready for us to make a few. 

    Whether we draft a de or DT, my number one requirement is a kid that cit put pressure on the QB. I don't care if it comes inside or out...although truth be told I wOuld like to see it come out as I believe we can use spikes, Hightower and mayo to generate it inside when called..just call it a bit more.




    I do think it's either D or OL with the first couple picks.

    SHOULD BE YES.

    Welker and Edelman are both FA's after the season I believe and I don't see how they let Welker walk unless they plan to backfill him with Danny Amendola... I don't think Edelman should be a priority... decent depth player, but he is what he is.  I also don't see them throwing huge coin at a Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings or Dwayne Bowe type... though the latter would prob come at the best value.  Bottom line, I think they need to bring Welker back... he's too important to the offense.

    I SEE IT TEH SAME. 

    THIS OFFENSE CANT DO CRAP WITHOUT WELKER. (AND IT SEEMS BB HATES THAT). I DONT THINK IT SHOULD BE THE CASE BUT IS..

    MB AND OTHERS, THE ONE GLARING THING I HAVE ALSO BEEN PIPING ABOUT THAT I DONT SEE YOU CONCLUDING, THAT JOSH WILL BE THE DOWNFALL OF THIS TEAM CALLING THE OFFENSE ALL YEAR. WHAT HES SHOWN ME IN THESE GAMES IS THAT HES ABOUT 33% AAS EFFECTIVE AS A TOP OC WOULD BE WITH THIS TALENT WE HAVE. KNOWING BB'S TENDENCIES, I DONT SEE THIS GETTTING ADDRESSED THIS YEAR, IF EVER.




     
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    Whatever we do, it has to be as close to a slam dunk as possible. Again, I am in favor of picking as high as we can and don't want to see us trade out or down. 

    Do we all see BB going defense again with his first couple of picks? 

    Looking at the offense I still see a need for an athletic receiver and some olinemen. I would really like to see the pats finally get a WR that can separate. Every team seems to have it excepT us. Again, not talking about te's and rb's. Lloyd has been all right, but we need some more. I don't see branch coming back and I don't see Edelman as that guy! Nor Hernandez! Nor Wes even if we resign him. Our te's should be quite good with Ballard back. Gronk and he should be beasts together, but still looking for an athletic WR that can stretch and play the sidelines...perhaps just tired of us giving up 20 yard plays and ready for us to make a few. 

    Whether we draft a de or DT, my number one requirement is a kid that cit put pressure on the QB. I don't care if it comes inside or out...although truth be told I wOuld like to see it come out as I believe we can use spikes, Hightower and mayo to generate it inside when called..just call it a bit more.




    I do think it's either D or OL with the first couple picks.

    SHOULD BE YES.

    Welker and Edelman are both FA's after the season I believe and I don't see how they let Welker walk unless they plan to backfill him with Danny Amendola... I don't think Edelman should be a priority... decent depth player, but he is what he is.  I also don't see them throwing huge coin at a Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings or Dwayne Bowe type... though the latter would prob come at the best value.  Bottom line, I think they need to bring Welker back... he's too important to the offense.

    I SEE IT TEH SAME. 

    THIS OFFENSE CANT DO CRAP WITHOUT WELKER. (AND IT SEEMS BB HATES THAT). I DONT THINK IT SHOULD BE THE CASE BUT IS..

    MB AND OTHERS, THE ONE GLARING THING I HAVE ALSO BEEN PIPING ABOUT THAT I DONT SEE YOU CONCLUDING, THAT JOSH WILL BE THE DOWNFALL OF THIS TEAM CALLING THE OFFENSE ALL YEAR. WHAT HES SHOWN ME IN THESE GAMES IS THAT HES ABOUT 33% AAS EFFECTIVE AS A TOP OC WOULD BE WITH THIS TALENT WE HAVE. KNOWING BB'S TENDENCIES, I DONT SEE THIS GETTTING ADDRESSED THIS YEAR, IF EVER.






    The way I look at it, if he's not willing to make a relatively minor change by whacking coaching assistants like Boyer/Flores, who coach the weakest part of the team, he's certainly not going to make changes to a coordinator that manages the best part of his team.

    I'm not one that's calling for McD's head, but he does make some curious play calls (Woody over left tackle on 3 and 2, for example) and I also think he's guilty of over-analyzation and maybe outsmarting himself, but their offense is effective for the most part... and still one of the better units in the NFL... ranking at or near the top in most major offensive catagories.

     
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    Whatever we do, it has to be as close to a slam dunk as possible. Again, I am in favor of picking as high as we can and don't want to see us trade out or down. 

    Do we all see BB going defense again with his first couple of picks? 

    Looking at the offense I still see a need for an athletic receiver and some olinemen. I would really like to see the pats finally get a WR that can separate. Every team seems to have it excepT us. Again, not talking about te's and rb's. Lloyd has been all right, but we need some more. I don't see branch coming back and I don't see Edelman as that guy! Nor Hernandez! Nor Wes even if we resign him. Our te's should be quite good with Ballard back. Gronk and he should be beasts together, but still looking for an athletic WR that can stretch and play the sidelines...perhaps just tired of us giving up 20 yard plays and ready for us to make a few. 

    Whether we draft a de or DT, my number one requirement is a kid that cit put pressure on the QB. I don't care if it comes inside or out...although truth be told I wOuld like to see it come out as I believe we can use spikes, Hightower and mayo to generate it inside when called..just call it a bit more.




    I do think it's either D or OL with the first couple picks.

    SHOULD BE YES.

    Welker and Edelman are both FA's after the season I believe and I don't see how they let Welker walk unless they plan to backfill him with Danny Amendola... I don't think Edelman should be a priority... decent depth player, but he is what he is.  I also don't see them throwing huge coin at a Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings or Dwayne Bowe type... though the latter would prob come at the best value.  Bottom line, I think they need to bring Welker back... he's too important to the offense.

    I SEE IT TEH SAME. 

    THIS OFFENSE CANT DO CRAP WITHOUT WELKER. (AND IT SEEMS BB HATES THAT). I DONT THINK IT SHOULD BE THE CASE BUT IS..

    MB AND OTHERS, THE ONE GLARING THING I HAVE ALSO BEEN PIPING ABOUT THAT I DONT SEE YOU CONCLUDING, THAT JOSH WILL BE THE DOWNFALL OF THIS TEAM CALLING THE OFFENSE ALL YEAR. WHAT HES SHOWN ME IN THESE GAMES IS THAT HES ABOUT 33% AAS EFFECTIVE AS A TOP OC WOULD BE WITH THIS TALENT WE HAVE. KNOWING BB'S TENDENCIES, I DONT SEE THIS GETTTING ADDRESSED THIS YEAR, IF EVER.






    The way I look at it, if he's not willing to make a relatively minor change by whacking coaching assistants like Boyer/Flores, who coach the weakest part of the team, he's certainly not going to make changes to a coordinator that manages the best part of his team.

    I'm not one that's calling for McD's head, but he does make some curious play calls (Woody over left tackle on 3 and 2, for example) and I also think he's guilty of over-analyzation and maybe outsmarting himself, but their offense is effective for the most part... and still one of the better units in the NFL... ranking at or near the top in most major offensive catagories.



    indeed and with the toolls we have, a monkey could run it. when i watcha game, what i see is calls and sequences of calls that build up in a game that cost the game, poor game management, etc. 

    i see us at getting about 30-40 some % out of our offense (including perf/execution gaffs, etc) what the best oc. in the league could/would do (with our offense). yeah i dont expect bb to do anythign in season or out of season i guess was my point. 

    thanks for your shake on the the issue.

     
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    Watchlist updated 10/22!

     
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    Whatever we do, it has to be as close to a slam dunk as possible. Again, I am in favor of picking as high as we can and don't want to see us trade out or down. 

    Do we all see BB going defense again with his first couple of picks? 

    Looking at the offense I still see a need for an athletic receiver and some olinemen. I would really like to see the pats finally get a WR that can separate. Every team seems to have it excepT us. Again, not talking about te's and rb's. Lloyd has been all right, but we need some more. I don't see branch coming back and I don't see Edelman as that guy! Nor Hernandez! Nor Wes even if we resign him. Our te's should be quite good with Ballard back. Gronk and he should be beasts together, but still looking for an athletic WR that can stretch and play the sidelines...perhaps just tired of us giving up 20 yard plays and ready for us to make a few. 

    Whether we draft a de or DT, my number one requirement is a kid that cit put pressure on the QB. I don't care if it comes inside or out...although truth be told I wOuld like to see it come out as I believe we can use spikes, Hightower and mayo to generate it inside when called..just call it a bit more.



    "Looking at the offense I still see a need for an athletic receiver and some olinemen. I would really like to see the pats finally get a WR that can separate. Every team seems to have it excepT us"

    wrote about that yeserday (speeratign wr) and what it would do for the whole offense.

    we have to do the db in fa (10 mil per year or not).  we need a top gun out there. there is zero confidence they can identify a top cb or safety and the line def and off is a need that has to be filled. 

    espn worte today thay our cbs woudl be cut by any other teram. i dotn knwo about that, certainly any good team.

    try this on:

    Teams have thrown 64 passes 16 or more yards downfield against the Patriots, the most against any team in the NFL. And they’ve been successful 45 percent of the time. 

    nearly 1 out of 2 long  passes

    pace for a record odf successful 20 plus yard targets.



    True, but is BB going to draft a cb early in the draft? I cringe at this and who he might pick almost as much as when an opposing QB drops back to pass. One guy I woUld like to see replaced is Arrington. 

     Spend the picks where you pick best...the front 7. We need DL that can rush as much as we need our secondary to play better. 

    Here is a difficult but valid question. If this team is overall mediocre and BB thinks we have no shot, how many more years of this will he be willing to endure? He has a young team less Brady. Would he cash Brady in for 2 firsts then parlay them into 14 3rd round picks at some point, go with mallet? Or does Kraft stop it because he knows what Brady means historically to this franchise and it's legacy? This question has to be asked especially given Brady's age and how things have gone. I still think Tb is one of the best, but he clearly has lost something. His hyper competitive spark has gone down, he is doing the chicken dance withdefenders 5 yards from him, and his accuracy is not quite what it use to be...just saying..

    I still think this year is up for grabs for us. I for one want to turn Hightower and spikes loose on the QB..send them to attack and have our guys plan man.

    Go out and get the best FA cb, draft the best de we can, Maybe an olb and some OL talent. That still means after all tht, we may stillneeds amwr or two depending on what they do with Wes, Lloyd and Edelman! Branch. Seems to be a lot of pieces on the o to repLace next year...2-3 wr's, 1 or 2 OL to get. 

     
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    @HC,

    It's a good question... I'll start by saying, for all the talk last year about Barron and how he was overrated due to the lack of overall depth in the 2012 S draft class, I'd still take him over any safety in this class as well.

    I look forward to watching more 2012 tape on Reid, as the more I watch of his 2011 tape, the more he looks like more of an athlete with hitting ability than a pure football player... the natural talent and movement ability is undeniable, but I'm seeing too many missed tackles and bad angles. 

    When I watch Elam on tape, I'd compare him (from a size/speed/physicality/aggression standpoint) favorably to Patrick Chung, though I think he's a much better cover guy.  He's used a lot as a nickel/slot cover guy (an area where Chung struggles), moves well in the short area... has solid awareness and will make a play on the football.  He's also a very good run defender, very physical... and while he can miss some tackles, he's often breaks down and is in good position to make a play.  His value to the Gators is clear as he's moved around quite a bit, blitzes often off the edge (not that NE would do any of that), plays with good technique and looks assignment sound and always seems to be around the football... he looks to be more of a finished product than Reid.

    Given my choice on 10/15/12, I'd take Elam over Reid.

    I do look forward to watching more S tape on this class though, which includes McDonald, Lester, Jefferson and Vaccaro, etc.




    I was wondering what you thought about another Alabama safety..Robert Lester?




    Day 2 kids, should be top 75, with some Rd 2 upside.



    MB, what is your opinion of CB D. Milliner of Alabama? As you can see I am a huge Bama fan. Do you think he could slide down to us in the first round?

     
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    As far as OL, what is your opinions of those guys Bama has in Jones, Warmack and Fluker? What rounds do you think they project to?

     

     
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    Whatever we do, it has to be as close to a slam dunk as possible. Again, I am in favor of picking as high as we can and don't want to see us trade out or down. 

    Do we all see BB going defense again with his first couple of picks? 

    Looking at the offense I still see a need for an athletic receiver and some olinemen. I would really like to see the pats finally get a WR that can separate. Every team seems to have it excepT us. Again, not talking about te's and rb's. Lloyd has been all right, but we need some more. I don't see branch coming back and I don't see Edelman as that guy! Nor Hernandez! Nor Wes even if we resign him. Our te's should be quite good with Ballard back. Gronk and he should be beasts together, but still looking for an athletic WR that can stretch and play the sidelines...perhaps just tired of us giving up 20 yard plays and ready for us to make a few. 

    Whether we draft a de or DT, my number one requirement is a kid that cit put pressure on the QB. I don't care if it comes inside or out...although truth be told I wOuld like to see it come out as I believe we can use spikes, Hightower and mayo to generate it inside when called..just call it a bit more.



    "Looking at the offense I still see a need for an athletic receiver and some olinemen. I would really like to see the pats finally get a WR that can separate. Every team seems to have it excepT us"

    wrote about that yeserday (speeratign wr) and what it would do for the whole offense.

    we have to do the db in fa (10 mil per year or not).  we need a top gun out there. there is zero confidence they can identify a top cb or safety and the line def and off is a need that has to be filled. 

    espn worte today thay our cbs woudl be cut by any other teram. i dotn knwo about that, certainly any good team.

    try this on:

    Teams have thrown 64 passes 16 or more yards downfield against the Patriots, the most against any team in the NFL. And they’ve been successful 45 percent of the time. 

    nearly 1 out of 2 long  passes

    pace for a record odf successful 20 plus yard targets.

    PATSLIFER, REPLIES TO YOUR TEXT WHICH IS BELOW ARE IN LINE AND CAPPED (BRED)

    True, but is BB going to draft a cb early in the draft? I cringe at this and who he might pick almost as much as when an opposing QB drops back to pass.

     

    I AM WITH YOU ON THIS AND HAVE SIAD THE SAME THING A COUPLE TIMES IN THE THREAD.

    WHY I SAY WE NEED THE BIG CB F.A. WHO IS VERY GOOD AND ESTABLISHED

     

    One guy I woUld like to see replaced is Arrington. 

     

    YEAH AND KEEP MCC AT SAFETY IF HE IS ON THE FIELD

     

     Spend the picks where you pick best...the front 7.

     

    ALSO WITH YOU ON THIS, THOUGH I SAY DE, O LINE TOP PRIORITY, DT AFTER MAYBE WE CAN LIVE WITH WHAT WE HAVE PLUS FA. 

     

    We need DL that can rush as much as we need our secondary to play better. 

     

    AGREED

     

    Here is a difficult but valid question. If this team is overall mediocre and BB thinks we have no shot, how many more years of this will he be willing to endure? He has a young team less Brady. Would he cash Brady in for 2 firsts then parlay them into 14 3rd round picks at some point, go with mallet? Or does Kraft stop it because he knows what Brady means historically to this franchise and it's legacy?

     

    I HAVE BEEN ON RECORD THAT KRAFT SHOULD STEP IN AND HAVE SOME INVOLVEMENT, IDEALLY WITH SOME TOP MGT. 1. I TINK KRAFT IS SCARED -LESS THAT BB WOULD LEAVE AND HED DO ANYTHING FOR HIM TO STAY NO MATTER HOW BAD IT GOT TILL BB DECIDEDS TO GO)

     

    This question has to be asked especially given Brady's age and how things have gone. I still think Tb is one of the best, but he clearly has lost something. His hyper competitive spark has gone down, he is doing the chicken dance withdefenders 5 yards from him, and his accuracy is not quite what it use to be...just saying..

     

    I DONT THINK BRADY LOST HIS SPARK, BUT I DO SEE HIS YIPS INTERMITTANTLY AND HOW THEY INTERFERE WITH HIS ABILITY WEHN THEY COME ON. SO YOU ARE CONSIDERING GOING ALL IN WITH BB FOR A NEW CREW. IT' S NOT A TERRIBLE IDEA, BUT PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE BB BEING THE ONLY EVALUATOR (STOP THOSE WHO TRY TO REFUTE THIS) AND ALSO IT WOULD SUCK IF HE TRADED THEM FOR THE MAX 3RD ROUNDERS (TEAM STILL NEEDS IMPACT PLAYERS)

     

    I still think this year is up for grabs for us. I for one want to turn Hightower and spikes loose on the QB..send them to attack and have our guys plan man.

     

    YES BUT THATS NOT BBS WAY. HE IS GENERALLY AGAISNT THAT. IF THE TEAM CHANGED ITS DEF PHILOSOPHY THAT WOULD BE AWESOME AND HELP TEH SECONDARY

     

    Go out and get the best FA cb, draft the best de we can, Maybe an olb and some OL talent. That still means after all tht, we may stillneeds amwr or two depending on what they do with Wes, Lloyd and Edelman! Branch. Seems to be a lot of pieces on the o to repLace next year...2-3 wr's, 1 or 2 OL to get. 

     

    YEAH I KIND OF HAVE IT THE SAME.

    1  TRUE SEPERATING WR NEEDED

    F.A. CB

    DRAFT BOOKEND TO JONES. 

    DRAFT  STUD C/G, AND G/T

    AND STILL WE COULD USE A GOOD SAFETY AND GOOD DT.

    TOO MUCH FOR ONE YEAR EVEN WITH FREE AGENTS.

    BUT AFTER ALL THAT, I SEE JOSH'S COACHING, WATCHING 7 WEEKS, AS A LIMITING FACTOR TO WINNING A SUPER BOWL, NOT A CONTRIBUTOR. (AND TO SLIGHTLY LESSER EXTENT, THE TECHNIQUE THEY TEACH CBS)

    THANKS FOR ALL THE INTERESTING THOUGHTS

     
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    @HC,

    It's a good question... I'll start by saying, for all the talk last year about Barron and how he was overrated due to the lack of overall depth in the 2012 S draft class, I'd still take him over any safety in this class as well.

    I look forward to watching more 2012 tape on Reid, as the more I watch of his 2011 tape, the more he looks like more of an athlete with hitting ability than a pure football player... the natural talent and movement ability is undeniable, but I'm seeing too many missed tackles and bad angles. 

    When I watch Elam on tape, I'd compare him (from a size/speed/physicality/aggression standpoint) favorably to Patrick Chung, though I think he's a much better cover guy.  He's used a lot as a nickel/slot cover guy (an area where Chung struggles), moves well in the short area... has solid awareness and will make a play on the football.  He's also a very good run defender, very physical... and while he can miss some tackles, he's often breaks down and is in good position to make a play.  His value to the Gators is clear as he's moved around quite a bit, blitzes often off the edge (not that NE would do any of that), plays with good technique and looks assignment sound and always seems to be around the football... he looks to be more of a finished product than Reid.

    Given my choice on 10/15/12, I'd take Elam over Reid.

    I do look forward to watching more S tape on this class though, which includes McDonald, Lester, Jefferson and Vaccaro, etc.




    I was wondering what you thought about another Alabama safety..Robert Lester?




    Day 2 kids, should be top 75, with some Rd 2 upside.



    MB, what is your opinion of CB D. Milliner of Alabama? As you can see I am a huge Bama fan. Do you think he could slide down to us in the first round?



    Milliner is a favorite of mine and one of the best defensive players in this class; looks like the top CB on the board at this point... I'd expect him to be taken in the top 10-15... would love to see BB get aggressive and move up to get this kid.  Great size/speed combo, physical, good awareness and ball skills... not a lot to not like about this kid.

     
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    As far as OL, what is your opinions of those guys Bama has in Jones, Warmack and Fluker? What rounds do you think they project to?

     



    Warmack and Jones are also high on my list of potential Patriots as both are high level performers at an area of potential need OG/C... the former is currently a projected Top 20 kid while the latter is another Rd 1 kid, they're prob the Top 2 OG's in this class at this point.  Fluker projects as a Day 2, Top 50 kid. 

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2*** !CHASE THOMAS PROFILE ADDED 10/24!

    Player Profile:

    DE/OLB- Chase Thomas- 6-4-250- Standford

    Positives:

    *Huge motor

    *Very strong

    *Extremely physical and rugged

    *Very good run defender and sets the edge well

    *Always around the football

    *Very well coached player

    *Smart player and looks assignment sound

    *Versatile and plays OLB/ILB/DE

    *A lot of experience playing ouf of a 2 point stance

    Negatives:
    *Listed at 248-250, so I'll be curious to see how he weighs in at the SB/Combine

    *Not a elite passrush option at this point, but has upside  

    Projection:
    I'm personally a fan of the players that Stanford has turned out since Harbaugh took over (and has sinc passed on to David Shaw), they're very well coached, tough, blue collar, physical and always give a good effort.  This kid has been a pain in ND's side for (3) years now and strikes me as the smart, tough, versatile type kid that BB/NC will be interested in.  He's prob a day 2 kid at this point and potential Top 75 player... not flashy, just a very good football player.

     
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    In response to bobbysu's comment:

    You know who I like on Alabama the QB.




    I like McCarron a lot as well; he's only a junior, but has good size (6-4 210), a good arm, is accurate, spins a good football and can get the ball down the field (Tied for 3rd nationally in YPA).

     
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