***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    incidentally what is walter football smoking, having bb taking williams the wr in rd 1? that would be a crazy departure and with the needs at de, dt, o line, and maybe safety (its a need, that might get addressed in draft, but i prefer not with the 3 picks [de, dt, o line for me]).

    they do this with jesse williams nt and barrett jones on their board.

     



    I'd personally be shocked if BB passed on either of those Bama kids for a WR in Rd 1.

     
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    More and more I see of Alabama QB, the more I see a mirror image of Brady.




    He's one of the (2) QB's on my board right now.  Kid's only a junior, so he may decide to come back and raise his stock even further, but if he declares I wouldn't be shocked if BB spent a Day 2 pick on him... good size, good arm, accurate... all things that BB values.

     
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    we have a brady backup in mallett, why do we need another guy to ride the pine and carry a clipboard?  especially with using a day 2 pick?

     
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    we have a brady backup in mallett, why do we need another guy to ride the pine and carry a clipboard?  especially with using a day 2 pick?




    That same question could've been asked when Hoyer was the only backup and they spent a day 2 pick on Mallett.

    I'm not saying BB/NC would pull the trigger on another QB, but if they were, McCarron is the kind of kid they'd target.

     
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    Hey all, where do you guys see Brandon Jenkins going in the draft where he got the injury at the start of the year?

    Which reminds me that I think Tank Carradine has been impressive since he's taken over that spot. 53 tackles and 8 sacks this year




    Had actually forgotten about him... he's out this season with an injury, but was a very good football player before the injury.  He has that lisfranc injury to his foot, which I believe gives athletes a lot of trouble... will need to follow the situation, but kid had Top 50/Rd 1 talent before the injury, so he could/should provide value for somebody on Day 2, or early Day 3 if teams are comfortable with his recovery.



    MB, Thanks for the info. I wouldn't mind the Pats taking him in the 3rd or 4th(if they can trade for one) as long as they're comfortable with his injury.

    I watched FSU last night and I don't see any decline in talent from Jenkins to Carradine. I recall reading awhile back Jimbo Fisher saying that he wasn't reallly a backup to Werner and Jenkins but more starter 1A, 1B and 1C referring to all 3 of them.

     
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    Hey all, where do you guys see Brandon Jenkins going in the draft where he got the injury at the start of the year?

    Which reminds me that I think Tank Carradine has been impressive since he's taken over that spot. 53 tackles and 8 sacks this year




    Make that 64 tackles and 9 sacks now haha. Tank had a monster game last night!

     
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    ps just learned nfl only tests for marijuana once a year for it, announced, unlike steroids, which is tested randomly through the year. 

    so players like mathieu can really have it easy in the nfl, just dont get busted on the street with it or let your team findout.

    partially tongue in cheek, but goes to show if you get in trouble with ganja in the nfl, you arent too smart.

    since 2 states just legalized recreational use, the nfl just came out and said after the election, it still is forbidden in the nfl, even in legal states.




    I think they pretty much have to keep it forbidden or else half the league will want to play for Denver or Seattle haha

     
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    ps just learned nfl only tests for marijuana once a year for it, announced, unlike steroids, which is tested randomly through the year. 

    so players like mathieu can really have it easy in the nfl, just dont get busted on the street with it or let your team findout.

    partially tongue in cheek, but goes to show if you get in trouble with ganja in the nfl, you arent too smart.

    since 2 states just legalized recreational use, the nfl just came out and said after the election, it still is forbidden in the nfl, even in legal states.




    I think they pretty much have to keep it forbidden or else half the league will want to play for Denver or Seattle haha



    that is too funny.

     

     
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    by the way, on the mankins talk.

    got me thinking,

    mankins, our 2nd, next years second (and if necessary a 5) for a first from someone who is between 10 and 22 that needs a guard.

    with our 2 one's get 2 of 3 stud de, stud dt and c/g (ie barrett).

    would be ruthless move trading a guy like that who gives it all, but that is bb often anyway, but make the defense to go with the offense.

    this year and next 2 be all in for sb.

    fa if need safety and or corner.

    oh and id be remiss if i didnt say, use dennard adn talib teh way they should be, in aggressive man coverage. been saying this a bit and i noticed troy brown said teh same thing 2 days ago, "you have to play that way in this league with the pasing gaem the way it is."

    we now have 2 guys who can do it.

    re talib, we need to either keep him (hes been no trouble for a year minus the adderall) and mandate he stay in n.e. in the offfseasoon liek tampa did, or replace him in offseason with equal or better cb fa.

     
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    ps jordan is shooting up already (take note mb).

    walter has him going at 19 to lions as bpa and letting vanden bosch go.



    Not surprising... I was calling him a Rd 1 talent back in August (8th post of the thread) and he's been one of the better players that I've seen on tape... kid has unreal length, versatility and athleticism and I love his aggression/motor.



    what i find impressive about him is that he seems to be getting better as the season progresses. that team will continue to get national coverage. if he sustains his improvement he'll be in the top 15. the athleticism he's displayed should translate to impressive combine performance, which could take him all the top 12. i am saying this because a few mocks have mingo in the top 10. mingo impressed me even last season, but at the rate jordan is going, i am not sure i'd take mingo over jordan. jordan seems to have a much higher ceiling.

    we know he can rush the qb. seeing jordan on that video playing corner against the screen (even if he whiffed) and on another time covering the slot just blew my mind. 




    I don't think Top 10-12 is out of the realm of possibility as this kids upside is that high, IMO.  I also think teams will see what a long/athletic, albeit heavier player in Chandler Jones is doing and try to duplicate it.

    Makes a really nice open field tackle at the :50 mark of the below link.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVicjLxsI_U



    i just saw bleacherreport's mock where they put jordan being picked at 11... by the jets! 

     
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    ps jordan is shooting up already (take note mb).

    walter has him going at 19 to lions as bpa and letting vanden bosch go.



    Not surprising... I was calling him a Rd 1 talent back in August (8th post of the thread) and he's been one of the better players that I've seen on tape... kid has unreal length, versatility and athleticism and I love his aggression/motor.



    what i find impressive about him is that he seems to be getting better as the season progresses. that team will continue to get national coverage. if he sustains his improvement he'll be in the top 15. the athleticism he's displayed should translate to impressive combine performance, which could take him all the top 12. i am saying this because a few mocks have mingo in the top 10. mingo impressed me even last season, but at the rate jordan is going, i am not sure i'd take mingo over jordan. jordan seems to have a much higher ceiling.

    we know he can rush the qb. seeing jordan on that video playing corner against the screen (even if he whiffed) and on another time covering the slot just blew my mind. 




    I don't think Top 10-12 is out of the realm of possibility as this kids upside is that high, IMO.  I also think teams will see what a long/athletic, albeit heavier player in Chandler Jones is doing and try to duplicate it.

    Makes a really nice open field tackle at the :50 mark of the below link.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVicjLxsI_U



    i just saw bleacherreport's mock where they put jordan being picked at 11... by the jets! 

    Def wouldn't wanna see that, haha.

     
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    My mock/wishlist (not an expert so read at your own risk)

     

    Rd 1. Jonathan Jenkins DT Georgia

    Alternatives: DE Dion Jordan, S Matt Elam, DT Jesse Williams

     

    Rd 2. Tank Carradine DE FSU

    Alternatives:WR Tavon Austin, WR DeAndre Hopkins

     

    Rd 3. Oday Aboushi OT Virginia

    Alternatives: S Zeke Motta, DE Brandon Jenkins

     

    Rd 7a. PJ Lonergan C LSU (I've seen him projected to go in the 7th. If he does drop that far, I think its a huge steal)

     

    Rd 7b. Michael Williams TE Alabama (not sure if he'll still be available here. The Pats might have to trade up to the 5th or 6th rd)

    Alternatives: Dustin Hopkins K FSU, Ray Ray Armstrong S

     
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    you guys watcing the shocker in alabama?

     
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    just caught the fourth. good thing i recorded it.

     
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    you guys watcing the shocker in alabama?



    Manziel was awesome... very good at extending plays with his feet, but I was also surprised with his accuracy and ability to place the wall where only his man can catch it... makes him even tougher to defend..

    Also really liked what I saw from A&M receiver Ryan Swope, a kid that I had profiled on tab 3 of this thread (posted again below)... might be more of a day 3 kid now based on production, but I don't think Rd 3 is out of the question... kid has very good hands, runs good routes and works to get open... I like him a lot.

     

    Prospect Profile

    WR Ryan Swope- 6-0 206- Texas A&M

    Positives:

    *Projects as an excellent slot WR at the NFL level with the size to play outside
    *Good size
    *Hands catcher / excellent hands
    *Good fluidity and RAC ability
    *Good effort player
    *Solid route runner
    *Tempos routes extremely well and knows how to set up his man
    *Solid production against good teams
    *Solid overall career production / 180-2204-16
    *Has some kick return experience
    *Has played special teams

    Negatvies:

    *Doesn't possess elite speed (likely 4.5+ range)
    *Not an elite athlete
    *Likely not a game breaker at the NFL level

    Projection:

    I like this kid a lot... he won't wow you with speed/athleticism, but profiles and an excellent fit for NE's offense due to his route running, his ability get open and catch the football while pickiong up yards after the catch... he's also used frequently in bubble screens/isolation plays.  With the uncertain future of WW, the inconsistency Julian Edelman and the new/yet to produce Greg Salas, slot could be a position to target in the 2013 draft and I think Swope profiles as a solid Day 2 kid.  I'll be interested to see how he performs against better overall comp now that Texas A&M is in the SEC.

     
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    What's up guys?  Been a while for me.  Good to be back in the "draft talk" mode!  It's been a disappointing season in Pullman for Wazzu so far, but one bright spot has been the play of DE/OLB Travis Long.  Long is an "all effort, all the time" type of player, and he has more than held his own against some of the Pac-12's better offenses.  I've seen a few mocks with him mentioned as a mid round prospect, but kids from WSU can fall through the cracks a bit, so maybe he could be had a little later in the draft.  Just another guy to keep an eye on.

     
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    you guys watcing the shocker in alabama?



    I hate it....I have been an Alabama fan my whole life and I really thought they had a shot at 3 titles in 4 years. They now need losses for Oregon, Notre Dame and Kansas State to have any shot now.

     
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    What's up guys?  Been a while for me.  Good to be back in the "draft talk" mode!  It's been a disappointing season in Pullman for Wazzu so far, but one bright spot has been the play of DE/OLB Travis Long.  Long is an "all effort, all the time" type of player, and he has more than held his own against some of the Pac-12's better offenses.  I've seen a few mocks with him mentioned as a mid round prospect, but kids from WSU can fall through the cracks a bit, so maybe he could be had a little later in the draft.  Just another guy to keep an eye on.



    Hey Waz,
    Saw him a bit earlier in the season vs. Colorado, he's def that blue collar/effort/huslte type that you mention, also ranks top 10 nationally in sacks.  Looks like a solid potential early Day 3 option (maybe some late Day 2) in a class that projects to be loaded with long, talented edge players.

    Look forward to watching more tape on him as it becomes available.

     
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    by the way, on the mankins talk.

    got me thinking,

    mankins, our 2nd, next years second (and if necessary a 5) for a first from someone who is between 10 and 22 that needs a guard.

    with our 2 one's get 2 of 3 stud de, stud dt and c/g (ie barrett).

    would be ruthless move trading a guy like that who gives it all, but that is bb often anyway, but make the defense to go with the offense.

    this year and next 2 be all in for sb.

    fa if need safety and or corner.

    oh and id be remiss if i didnt say, use dennard adn talib teh way they should be, in aggressive man coverage. been saying this a bit and i noticed troy brown said teh same thing 2 days ago, "you have to play that way in this league with the pasing gaem the way it is."

    we now have 2 guys who can do it.

    re talib, we need to either keep him (hes been no trouble for a year minus the adderall) and mandate he stay in n.e. in the offfseasoon liek tampa did, or replace him in offseason with equal or better cb fa.



    I don't think I'd want to give up that much to move up. As much as I'd like to dump Mankin's contract, that's giving up 3 players for 1 who isn't proven yet. I think there are some good quality lineman in this draft that can be had in the 2nd round. I'd consider Mankins and a 2nd rounder to move up(if someone is willing to take it) but adding in an additional 2nd rounder is too much imo

     
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    you guys watcing the shocker in alabama?



    I hate it....I have been an Alabama fan my whole life and I really thought they had a shot at 3 titles in 4 years. They now need losses for Oregon, Notre Dame and Kansas State to have any shot now.



    To make things more annoying, they're trying to trademark "Johnny Football". I mean seriously, what the heck is wrong with people?

     
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    Manziel was awesome... very good at extending plays with his feet, but I was also surprised with his accuracy and ability to place the wall where only his man can catch it... makes him even tougher to defend..

    Also really liked what I saw from A&M receiver Ryan Swope, a kid that I had profiled on tab 3 of this thread (posted again below)... might be more of a day 3 kid now based on production, but I don't think Rd 3 is out of the question... kid has very good hands, runs good routes and works to get open... I like him a lot.

     

    Prospect Profile

    WR Ryan Swope- 6-0 206- Texas A&M

    Positives:

    *Projects as an excellent slot WR at the NFL level with the size to play outside
    *Good size
    *Hands catcher / excellent hands
    *Good fluidity and RAC ability
    *Good effort player
    *Solid route runner
    *Tempos routes extremely well and knows how to set up his man
    *Solid production against good teams
    *Solid overall career production / 180-2204-16
    *Has some kick return experience
    *Has played special teams

    Negatvies:

    *Doesn't possess elite speed (likely 4.5+ range)
    *Not an elite athlete
    *Likely not a game breaker at the NFL level

    Projection:

    I like this kid a lot... he won't wow you with speed/athleticism, but profiles and an excellent fit for NE's offense due to his route running, his ability get open and catch the football while pickiong up yards after the catch... he's also used frequently in bubble screens/isolation plays.  With the uncertain future of WW, the inconsistency Julian Edelman and the new/yet to produce Greg Salas, slot could be a position to target in the 2013 draft and I think Swope profiles as a solid Day 2 kid.  I'll be interested to see how he performs against better overall comp now that Texas A&M is in the SEC.



    MB, How would you compare Swope to Ebert and Edelman? Better hands?  What kind of plusses and minuses?

    Btw, nice game by ND last night! Once again Manti got another pick

     
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    Manziel was awesome... very good at extending plays with his feet, but I was also surprised with his accuracy and ability to place the wall where only his man can catch it... makes him even tougher to defend..

    Also really liked what I saw from A&M receiver Ryan Swope, a kid that I had profiled on tab 3 of this thread (posted again below)... might be more of a day 3 kid now based on production, but I don't think Rd 3 is out of the question... kid has very good hands, runs good routes and works to get open... I like him a lot.

     

    Prospect Profile

    WR Ryan Swope- 6-0 206- Texas A&M

    Positives:

    *Projects as an excellent slot WR at the NFL level with the size to play outside
    *Good size
    *Hands catcher / excellent hands
    *Good fluidity and RAC ability
    *Good effort player
    *Solid route runner
    *Tempos routes extremely well and knows how to set up his man
    *Solid production against good teams
    *Solid overall career production / 180-2204-16
    *Has some kick return experience
    *Has played special teams

    Negatvies:

    *Doesn't possess elite speed (likely 4.5+ range)
    *Not an elite athlete
    *Likely not a game breaker at the NFL level

    Projection:

    I like this kid a lot... he won't wow you with speed/athleticism, but profiles and an excellent fit for NE's offense due to his route running, his ability get open and catch the football while pickiong up yards after the catch... he's also used frequently in bubble screens/isolation plays.  With the uncertain future of WW, the inconsistency Julian Edelman and the new/yet to produce Greg Salas, slot could be a position to target in the 2013 draft and I think Swope profiles as a solid Day 2 kid.  I'll be interested to see how he performs against better overall comp now that Texas A&M is in the SEC.



    MB, How would you compare Swope to Ebert and Edelman? Better hands?  What kind of plusses and minuses?

    Btw, nice game by ND last night! Once again Manti got another pick! I was at the game last night, perfect weather

    Swope is just a better WR prospect coming out of college than either Ebert or Edelman. Now, Edelman was a tough projection having played QB in college, but that's a strength for Swope, IMO, in that he's already a very experienced slot player that understands route concepts and how to get open, gives solid effort as a blocker, has WW qualities in that he'll sacrifice his body to make a play and catches the ball well.  He's also faired quite well against SEC competition, which I think will appeal to BB/NC and you know he'll be asking Saban about him, after yesterday's game.

    Kid will never be a game breaker, but he's the kind of "football player" that usually appeals to BB/NC.

    As things stand today, I think he's an excellent option if NE is looking for a WR at the back end of Rd 3 and I'll likely project him to NE there in my Mock V2.

     
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    Manziel was awesome... very good at extending plays with his feet, but I was also surprised with his accuracy and ability to place the wall where only his man can catch it... makes him even tougher to defend..

    Also really liked what I saw from A&M receiver Ryan Swope, a kid that I had profiled on tab 3 of this thread (posted again below)... might be more of a day 3 kid now based on production, but I don't think Rd 3 is out of the question... kid has very good hands, runs good routes and works to get open... I like him a lot.

     

    Prospect Profile

    WR Ryan Swope- 6-0 206- Texas A&M

    Positives:

    *Projects as an excellent slot WR at the NFL level with the size to play outside
    *Good size
    *Hands catcher / excellent hands
    *Good fluidity and RAC ability
    *Good effort player
    *Solid route runner
    *Tempos routes extremely well and knows how to set up his man
    *Solid production against good teams
    *Solid overall career production / 180-2204-16
    *Has some kick return experience
    *Has played special teams

    Negatvies:

    *Doesn't possess elite speed (likely 4.5+ range)
    *Not an elite athlete
    *Likely not a game breaker at the NFL level

    Projection:

    I like this kid a lot... he won't wow you with speed/athleticism, but profiles and an excellent fit for NE's offense due to his route running, his ability get open and catch the football while pickiong up yards after the catch... he's also used frequently in bubble screens/isolation plays.  With the uncertain future of WW, the inconsistency Julian Edelman and the new/yet to produce Greg Salas, slot could be a position to target in the 2013 draft and I think Swope profiles as a solid Day 2 kid.  I'll be interested to see how he performs against better overall comp now that Texas A&M is in the SEC.



    MB, How would you compare Swope to Ebert and Edelman? Better hands?  What kind of plusses and minuses?

    Btw, nice game by ND last night! Once again Manti got another pick! I was at the game last night, perfect weather

    Swope is just a better WR prospect coming out of the college than either Ebert or Edelman. Now, Edelman was a tough projection having played QB in college, but that's a strength for Swope, IMO, in that he's already a very experienced slot player that understands route concepts and how to get open, gives solid effort as a blocker, has WW qualities in that he'll sacrifice his body to make a play and catches the ball well.  He's also faired quite well against SEC competition, which I think will appeal to BB/NC and you know he'll be asking Saban about him, after yesterday's game.

    Kid will never be a game breaker, but he's the kind of "football player" that usually appeals to BB/NC.

    As things stand today, I think he's an excellent option if NE is looking for a WR at the back end of Rd 3 and I'll likely project him to NE there in my Mock V2.




    Good info, thanks! I've been watching Tavon Austin a bit and think he is another guy who could work well in NE's offense. If Swope continues to impress though then maybe they can get him as a day 2 or 3 steal.

     
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