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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 1:25 PM EST

    In response to Faucetman's comment:

    In looking at the DTs in our range, Williams and Jenkins, neither appear to be the type of player that will get pressure up the middle on a QB.  Below are scouting reports I saw:

    WILLIAMS:

    WEAKNESSES: Bit of a one-trick pony as Williams does not possess the quickness or the agility to collapse the pocket as a pass rusher. Must do a better job of protecting his knees as he is susceptible to cut blocks. Too often raises his pad level at the snap, negating some of his power and making him all the more vulnerable to cuts, as he possesses only moderate flexibility.

    Has to do a better job of getting his hands up in passing lanes as he rarely gets home as a pass rusher (just three passes broken up in 25 career starts at Alabama).

    JENKINS:

    WEAKNESSES: Provides little in terms of an interior pass rush. Is simply too wide to not get slowed down while squeezing through tight gaps in the interior line and has only phone booth quickness.

    Wears down quickly and will need to be substituted often to be fully effective in the NFL. Allows his pad level to rise as he tires, which negates his strength.

    So, if gaining interior pressure from these guys is the prime motivator to take them with the eye to replace Love/Deaderick next to VW, it doesn't appear either athlete will provide the hoped pass rush.

    I'm still leaning towards big physical CB or Strong Safety as my top desire but still would like to see more speed and pass coverage ability at MLB.  When teams hurry up against us, Spikes is exposed.  He is not a 3 down LB in my opinion.  I am wondering how Hightower would do if moved inside since he is faster (not sure if quicker or more instinctive) than Spikes and we could then either add an OLB or MLB to improve our speed at the second level.

    I do think we are limited in our depth at LB in general.  I don't want to see Ninkovich back there.  He was a disaster when he played for Spikes in Week 17.  Tracy White and Niko Koutouvides are UFAs after the season and Dane Fletcher is restricted and coming off a knee.  This leaves us just Rivera after starters Hightower, Spikes and Mayo.  Dropping a DE back like Ninko or Cunningham only slows us down.

    What do you guys think of Stanford's Chase Thomas?  6-4, 248 with some speed seems to be a good play maker and shows ability to get in the back field and make plays.  I remember being impressed with him against Cal where he had 4 TFLs, 1 sack, 1 FF and 1 FR.  Seems like an end of Round 2 type and I would think be a smart player.  I don't see him on Mb's board.

     

     

     



    I'm not completely sure on Jenkins truthfully. I've watched him a lot and most of the time he is double or tripled team while having the RB as a back up blocker. He gets into the backfield a lot and disrupts a large number of plays forcing RB's and QB's away from the pocket. In a way I see a lot of Wilfork's college career in Jenkins. Actually I bet if you put what scouts said side by side they'd have a lot of similarities. But if you have both Jenkins and Wilfork next to each other there aren't enough blockers to stop both. You can't put a full body into both guys and both are strong enough to push through doubles at angles. Conditioning might be an issue but again from watching him, he might not make the plays but he forces plays away from him because he's so disruptive.

    As for J Williams, the guy is one of the strongest DL in the draft. The reason he might be a one trick pony at this point is he only recently started to play football and doesn't have all the years of experience developing moves to beat blockers. Williams is more of a raw talent but he has great upside.

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 2:52 PM EST

    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

    In response to Faucetman's comment:

    In looking at the DTs in our range, Williams and Jenkins, neither appear to be the type of player that will get pressure up the middle on a QB.  Below are scouting reports I saw:

    WILLIAMS:

    WEAKNESSES: Bit of a one-trick pony as Williams does not possess the quickness or the agility to collapse the pocket as a pass rusher. Must do a better job of protecting his knees as he is susceptible to cut blocks. Too often raises his pad level at the snap, negating some of his power and making him all the more vulnerable to cuts, as he possesses only moderate flexibility.

    Has to do a better job of getting his hands up in passing lanes as he rarely gets home as a pass rusher (just three passes broken up in 25 career starts at Alabama).

    JENKINS:

    WEAKNESSES: Provides little in terms of an interior pass rush. Is simply too wide to not get slowed down while squeezing through tight gaps in the interior line and has only phone booth quickness.

    Wears down quickly and will need to be substituted often to be fully effective in the NFL. Allows his pad level to rise as he tires, which negates his strength.

    So, if gaining interior pressure from these guys is the prime motivator to take them with the eye to replace Love/Deaderick next to VW, it doesn't appear either athlete will provide the hoped pass rush.

    I'm still leaning towards big physical CB or Strong Safety as my top desire but still would like to see more speed and pass coverage ability at MLB.  When teams hurry up against us, Spikes is exposed.  He is not a 3 down LB in my opinion.  I am wondering how Hightower would do if moved inside since he is faster (not sure if quicker or more instinctive) than Spikes and we could then either add an OLB or MLB to improve our speed at the second level.

    I do think we are limited in our depth at LB in general.  I don't want to see Ninkovich back there.  He was a disaster when he played for Spikes in Week 17.  Tracy White and Niko Koutouvides are UFAs after the season and Dane Fletcher is restricted and coming off a knee.  This leaves us just Rivera after starters Hightower, Spikes and Mayo.  Dropping a DE back like Ninko or Cunningham only slows us down.

    What do you guys think of Stanford's Chase Thomas?  6-4, 248 with some speed seems to be a good play maker and shows ability to get in the back field and make plays.  I remember being impressed with him against Cal where he had 4 TFLs, 1 sack, 1 FF and 1 FR.  Seems like an end of Round 2 type and I would think be a smart player.  I don't see him on Mb's board.

     

     

     




    Hey Faucet,

    I'm very high on Chase Thomas, and most Stanford players for that matter... they're a bunch of smart, tough, well coached kids that always give a good effort.  I had Thomas on my board until recently and if he weighs in above 250 during the Combine/Pro-Day, he'll prob be added back.  He's more of a jack of all trades than pure pass-rusher, but is a tough, versatile high motor kid that should get the attention of BB/NC.




    Cool.  What's 2 lbs, lol?  Glad you think highly of him too.  Can't wait to see him at the Combine. 

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 3:00 PM EST

    In response to Faucetman's comment:

    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

    In response to Faucetman's comment:

    In looking at the DTs in our range, Williams and Jenkins, neither appear to be the type of player that will get pressure up the middle on a QB.  Below are scouting reports I saw:

    WILLIAMS:

    WEAKNESSES: Bit of a one-trick pony as Williams does not possess the quickness or the agility to collapse the pocket as a pass rusher. Must do a better job of protecting his knees as he is susceptible to cut blocks. Too often raises his pad level at the snap, negating some of his power and making him all the more vulnerable to cuts, as he possesses only moderate flexibility.

    Has to do a better job of getting his hands up in passing lanes as he rarely gets home as a pass rusher (just three passes broken up in 25 career starts at Alabama).

    JENKINS:

    WEAKNESSES: Provides little in terms of an interior pass rush. Is simply too wide to not get slowed down while squeezing through tight gaps in the interior line and has only phone booth quickness.

    Wears down quickly and will need to be substituted often to be fully effective in the NFL. Allows his pad level to rise as he tires, which negates his strength.

    So, if gaining interior pressure from these guys is the prime motivator to take them with the eye to replace Love/Deaderick next to VW, it doesn't appear either athlete will provide the hoped pass rush.

    I'm still leaning towards big physical CB or Strong Safety as my top desire but still would like to see more speed and pass coverage ability at MLB.  When teams hurry up against us, Spikes is exposed.  He is not a 3 down LB in my opinion.  I am wondering how Hightower would do if moved inside since he is faster (not sure if quicker or more instinctive) than Spikes and we could then either add an OLB or MLB to improve our speed at the second level.

    I do think we are limited in our depth at LB in general.  I don't want to see Ninkovich back there.  He was a disaster when he played for Spikes in Week 17.  Tracy White and Niko Koutouvides are UFAs after the season and Dane Fletcher is restricted and coming off a knee.  This leaves us just Rivera after starters Hightower, Spikes and Mayo.  Dropping a DE back like Ninko or Cunningham only slows us down.

    What do you guys think of Stanford's Chase Thomas?  6-4, 248 with some speed seems to be a good play maker and shows ability to get in the back field and make plays.  I remember being impressed with him against Cal where he had 4 TFLs, 1 sack, 1 FF and 1 FR.  Seems like an end of Round 2 type and I would think be a smart player.  I don't see him on Mb's board.

     

     

     




    Hey Faucet,

    I'm very high on Chase Thomas, and most Stanford players for that matter... they're a bunch of smart, tough, well coached kids that always give a good effort.  I had Thomas on my board until recently and if he weighs in above 250 during the Combine/Pro-Day, he'll prob be added back.  He's more of a jack of all trades than pure pass-rusher, but is a tough, versatile high motor kid that should get the attention of BB/NC.




    Cool.  What's 2 lbs, lol?  Glad you think highly of him too.  Can't wait to see him at the Combine. 



    Haha, I guess what I'm saying is most of the edge players on NE's roster are 255 or even 260+, so I'm not sure he's an ideal fit... I also saw him listed at 6-2 somewhere, so overall, curious of his measurables... but yes, big fan... tough as nails.

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 3:01 PM EST

    Faucet... also curious of who else you're high on at this point?

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 3:03 PM EST

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    In response to Faucetman's comment:

    In looking at the DTs in our range, Williams and Jenkins, neither appear to be the type of player that will get pressure up the middle on a QB.  Below are scouting reports I saw:

    WILLIAMS:

    WEAKNESSES: Bit of a one-trick pony as Williams does not possess the quickness or the agility to collapse the pocket as a pass rusher. Must do a better job of protecting his knees as he is susceptible to cut blocks. Too often raises his pad level at the snap, negating some of his power and making him all the more vulnerable to cuts, as he possesses only moderate flexibility.

    Has to do a better job of getting his hands up in passing lanes as he rarely gets home as a pass rusher (just three passes broken up in 25 career starts at Alabama).

    JENKINS:

    WEAKNESSES: Provides little in terms of an interior pass rush. Is simply too wide to not get slowed down while squeezing through tight gaps in the interior line and has only phone booth quickness.

    Wears down quickly and will need to be substituted often to be fully effective in the NFL. Allows his pad level to rise as he tires, which negates his strength.

    So, if gaining interior pressure from these guys is the prime motivator to take them with the eye to replace Love/Deaderick next to VW, it doesn't appear either athlete will provide the hoped pass rush.

    I'm still leaning towards big physical CB or Strong Safety as my top desire but still would like to see more speed and pass coverage ability at MLB.  When teams hurry up against us, Spikes is exposed.  He is not a 3 down LB in my opinion.  I am wondering how Hightower would do if moved inside since he is faster (not sure if quicker or more instinctive) than Spikes and we could then either add an OLB or MLB to improve our speed at the second level.

    I do think we are limited in our depth at LB in general.  I don't want to see Ninkovich back there.  He was a disaster when he played for Spikes in Week 17.  Tracy White and Niko Koutouvides are UFAs after the season and Dane Fletcher is restricted and coming off a knee.  This leaves us just Rivera after starters Hightower, Spikes and Mayo.  Dropping a DE back like Ninko or Cunningham only slows us down.

    What do you guys think of Stanford's Chase Thomas?  6-4, 248 with some speed seems to be a good play maker and shows ability to get in the back field and make plays.  I remember being impressed with him against Cal where he had 4 TFLs, 1 sack, 1 FF and 1 FR.  Seems like an end of Round 2 type and I would think be a smart player.  I don't see him on Mb's board.

     

     

     



    I'm not completely sure on Jenkins truthfully. I've watched him a lot and most of the time he is double or tripled team while having the RB as a back up blocker. He gets into the backfield a lot and disrupts a large number of plays forcing RB's and QB's away from the pocket. In a way I see a lot of Wilfork's college career in Jenkins. Actually I bet if you put what scouts said side by side they'd have a lot of similarities. But if you have both Jenkins and Wilfork next to each other there aren't enough blockers to stop both. You can't put a full body into both guys and both are strong enough to push through doubles at angles. Conditioning might be an issue but again from watching him, he might not make the plays but he forces plays away from him because he's so disruptive.

    As for J Williams, the guy is one of the strongest DL in the draft. The reason he might be a one trick pony at this point is he only recently started to play football and doesn't have all the years of experience developing moves to beat blockers. Williams is more of a raw talent but he has great upside.




    Yeah, I figured both players saw a lot of doubles and you're right, You can't double VW, CJ and another stud DT.  But I think Love has come on and not sure we gain all that much near term.  Deaderick will be back, not sure about Brace but we have some big bodies.  BB will have to decide if one are there at 32 which I'm not sure they will be vs. going back 7.

    The combo of Welker/Edelman both being UFAs makes me wonder if we might target one but slot receivers can often be found late in the draft and I think Ebert would tend to be a slot and Welker will be back under the tag.  So, maybe go with a DB in round 1, a LB in round 2 then a big physical WR in round 3 if the stud DTs are gone.

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 3:22 PM EST

    In response to Faucetman's comment:

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    In response to Faucetman's comment:

    In looking at the DTs in our range, Williams and Jenkins, neither appear to be the type of player that will get pressure up the middle on a QB.  Below are scouting reports I saw:

    WILLIAMS:

    WEAKNESSES: Bit of a one-trick pony as Williams does not possess the quickness or the agility to collapse the pocket as a pass rusher. Must do a better job of protecting his knees as he is susceptible to cut blocks. Too often raises his pad level at the snap, negating some of his power and making him all the more vulnerable to cuts, as he possesses only moderate flexibility.

    Has to do a better job of getting his hands up in passing lanes as he rarely gets home as a pass rusher (just three passes broken up in 25 career starts at Alabama).

    JENKINS:

    WEAKNESSES: Provides little in terms of an interior pass rush. Is simply too wide to not get slowed down while squeezing through tight gaps in the interior line and has only phone booth quickness.

    Wears down quickly and will need to be substituted often to be fully effective in the NFL. Allows his pad level to rise as he tires, which negates his strength.

    So, if gaining interior pressure from these guys is the prime motivator to take them with the eye to replace Love/Deaderick next to VW, it doesn't appear either athlete will provide the hoped pass rush.

    I'm still leaning towards big physical CB or Strong Safety as my top desire but still would like to see more speed and pass coverage ability at MLB.  When teams hurry up against us, Spikes is exposed.  He is not a 3 down LB in my opinion.  I am wondering how Hightower would do if moved inside since he is faster (not sure if quicker or more instinctive) than Spikes and we could then either add an OLB or MLB to improve our speed at the second level.

    I do think we are limited in our depth at LB in general.  I don't want to see Ninkovich back there.  He was a disaster when he played for Spikes in Week 17.  Tracy White and Niko Koutouvides are UFAs after the season and Dane Fletcher is restricted and coming off a knee.  This leaves us just Rivera after starters Hightower, Spikes and Mayo.  Dropping a DE back like Ninko or Cunningham only slows us down.

    What do you guys think of Stanford's Chase Thomas?  6-4, 248 with some speed seems to be a good play maker and shows ability to get in the back field and make plays.  I remember being impressed with him against Cal where he had 4 TFLs, 1 sack, 1 FF and 1 FR.  Seems like an end of Round 2 type and I would think be a smart player.  I don't see him on Mb's board.

     

     

     



    I'm not completely sure on Jenkins truthfully. I've watched him a lot and most of the time he is double or tripled team while having the RB as a back up blocker. He gets into the backfield a lot and disrupts a large number of plays forcing RB's and QB's away from the pocket. In a way I see a lot of Wilfork's college career in Jenkins. Actually I bet if you put what scouts said side by side they'd have a lot of similarities. But if you have both Jenkins and Wilfork next to each other there aren't enough blockers to stop both. You can't put a full body into both guys and both are strong enough to push through doubles at angles. Conditioning might be an issue but again from watching him, he might not make the plays but he forces plays away from him because he's so disruptive.

    As for J Williams, the guy is one of the strongest DL in the draft. The reason he might be a one trick pony at this point is he only recently started to play football and doesn't have all the years of experience developing moves to beat blockers. Williams is more of a raw talent but he has great upside.




    Yeah, I figured both players saw a lot of doubles and you're right, You can't double VW, CJ and another stud DT.  But I think Love has come on and not sure we gain all that much near term.  Deaderick will be back, not sure about Brace but we have some big bodies.  BB will have to decide if one are there at 32 which I'm not sure they will be vs. going back 7.

    The combo of Welker/Edelman both being UFAs makes me wonder if we might target one but slot receivers can often be found late in the draft and I think Ebert would tend to be a slot and Welker will be back under the tag.  So, maybe go with a DB in round 1, a LB in round 2 then a big physical WR in round 3 if the stud DTs are gone.



    Deadrick to me is not consistent in his career to warrent anything but a sub role. I ike Love but he's not a starter. He'd be great as a 3rd DT to spell VW or a DT they draft but I think he's hit his ceiling and being a starter isn't it.

    As for the WR, I tend to agree though the solution might already be on the team. Don't forget they have Ballard so if they want to move Hern to more of a full time slot/possession WR that is an option. They could also target Amendola or Heartline in FA which would be less costly options than Welker but give you known performance over spending high in the draft. I'm also convinced they are going to convert Demps into a fast speedy WR, like Harvin but more an outside threat than a slot guy. I'd like to grab a WR in the draft but not at the expense of improving the D first.

    Not sure I'd go LB truthfully, unless it's in the mid rounds for a coverage guy. My reasoning is you have 3 starters where are you going to play a high draft pick? Additionally you have Nink who kicks out to OLB and Fletcher coming back, who's a good sub ILB. It might be tough to break into that group and spending high might not work. I'd be looking mid 3rd-6th for a smaller coverage OLB to shadow TE's but not in the 2nd.

    I like going DB early. I wouldn't complain if they get Rhodes, provided no DT's were available. But there are a number of starting caliber CB's in the 2nd this year too and a couple of guys who's stocks will drop from off field stuff but like Dennard have starting capabilities. I'd look at S but I'm very happy with McCourty at FS and the only SS I see who might give Gregory/Wilson combo a run for their money is Elam imo. He might go well before pick 32 so I might not target a S early. Mid rounds though where you find the CB->S or smaller LB->SS convertions you can get some great value

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 3:35 PM EST

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    In response to Faucetman's comment:

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    In response to Faucetman's comment:

    In looking at the DTs in our range, Williams and Jenkins, neither appear to be the type of player that will get pressure up the middle on a QB.  Below are scouting reports I saw:

    WILLIAMS:

    WEAKNESSES: Bit of a one-trick pony as Williams does not possess the quickness or the agility to collapse the pocket as a pass rusher. Must do a better job of protecting his knees as he is susceptible to cut blocks. Too often raises his pad level at the snap, negating some of his power and making him all the more vulnerable to cuts, as he possesses only moderate flexibility.

    Has to do a better job of getting his hands up in passing lanes as he rarely gets home as a pass rusher (just three passes broken up in 25 career starts at Alabama).

    JENKINS:

    WEAKNESSES: Provides little in terms of an interior pass rush. Is simply too wide to not get slowed down while squeezing through tight gaps in the interior line and has only phone booth quickness.

    Wears down quickly and will need to be substituted often to be fully effective in the NFL. Allows his pad level to rise as he tires, which negates his strength.

    So, if gaining interior pressure from these guys is the prime motivator to take them with the eye to replace Love/Deaderick next to VW, it doesn't appear either athlete will provide the hoped pass rush.

    I'm still leaning towards big physical CB or Strong Safety as my top desire but still would like to see more speed and pass coverage ability at MLB.  When teams hurry up against us, Spikes is exposed.  He is not a 3 down LB in my opinion.  I am wondering how Hightower would do if moved inside since he is faster (not sure if quicker or more instinctive) than Spikes and we could then either add an OLB or MLB to improve our speed at the second level.

    I do think we are limited in our depth at LB in general.  I don't want to see Ninkovich back there.  He was a disaster when he played for Spikes in Week 17.  Tracy White and Niko Koutouvides are UFAs after the season and Dane Fletcher is restricted and coming off a knee.  This leaves us just Rivera after starters Hightower, Spikes and Mayo.  Dropping a DE back like Ninko or Cunningham only slows us down.

    What do you guys think of Stanford's Chase Thomas?  6-4, 248 with some speed seems to be a good play maker and shows ability to get in the back field and make plays.  I remember being impressed with him against Cal where he had 4 TFLs, 1 sack, 1 FF and 1 FR.  Seems like an end of Round 2 type and I would think be a smart player.  I don't see him on Mb's board.

     

     

     



    I'm not completely sure on Jenkins truthfully. I've watched him a lot and most of the time he is double or tripled team while having the RB as a back up blocker. He gets into the backfield a lot and disrupts a large number of plays forcing RB's and QB's away from the pocket. In a way I see a lot of Wilfork's college career in Jenkins. Actually I bet if you put what scouts said side by side they'd have a lot of similarities. But if you have both Jenkins and Wilfork next to each other there aren't enough blockers to stop both. You can't put a full body into both guys and both are strong enough to push through doubles at angles. Conditioning might be an issue but again from watching him, he might not make the plays but he forces plays away from him because he's so disruptive.

    As for J Williams, the guy is one of the strongest DL in the draft. The reason he might be a one trick pony at this point is he only recently started to play football and doesn't have all the years of experience developing moves to beat blockers. Williams is more of a raw talent but he has great upside.




    Yeah, I figured both players saw a lot of doubles and you're right, You can't double VW, CJ and another stud DT.  But I think Love has come on and not sure we gain all that much near term.  Deaderick will be back, not sure about Brace but we have some big bodies.  BB will have to decide if one are there at 32 which I'm not sure they will be vs. going back 7.

    The combo of Welker/Edelman both being UFAs makes me wonder if we might target one but slot receivers can often be found late in the draft and I think Ebert would tend to be a slot and Welker will be back under the tag.  So, maybe go with a DB in round 1, a LB in round 2 then a big physical WR in round 3 if the stud DTs are gone.



    Deadrick to me is not consistent in his career to warrent anything but a sub role. I ike Love but he's not a starter. He'd be great as a 3rd DT to spell VW or a DT they draft but I think he's hit his ceiling and being a starter isn't it.

    As for the WR, I tend to agree though the solution might already be on the team. Don't forget they have Ballard so if they want to move Hern to more of a full time slot/possession WR that is an option. They could also target Amendola or Heartline in FA which would be less costly options than Welker but give you known performance over spending high in the draft. I'm also convinced they are going to convert Demps into a fast speedy WR, like Harvin but more an outside threat than a slot guy. I'd like to grab a WR in the draft but not at the expense of improving the D first.

    Not sure I'd go LB truthfully, unless it's in the mid rounds for a coverage guy. My reasoning is you have 3 starters where are you going to play a high draft pick? Additionally you have Nink who kicks out to OLB and Fletcher coming back, who's a good sub ILB. It might be tough to break into that group and spending high might not work. 1.  I'd be looking mid 3rd-6th for a smaller coverage OLB to shadow TE's but not in the 2nd.

    I like going DB early. I wouldn't complain if they get Rhodes, provided no DT's were available. But there are a number of starting caliber CB's in the 2nd this year too and a couple of guys who's stocks will drop from off field stuff but like Dennard have starting capabilities. I'd look at S but I'm very happy with McCourty at FS and the only SS I see who might give Gregory/Wilson combo a run for their money is Elam imo. He might go well before pick 32 so I might not target a S early. Mid rounds though where you find the 2. CB->S or smaller 3.  LB->SS convertions you can get some great value



    1. I'm looking at Oregon's LB Kiko Alonso (6-3 245) here.  Athletic, active kid that's aggressive and moves well in space.

    2.  Could be a Micah Hyde or Melvin White (Louisiana-Lafayette) type.

    3.   Check out South Carolina's S DeVonte Holloman, 6-2 235-240... moves well for his size and plays a ton down in the box.

     

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 4:56 PM EST

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    In response to Faucetman's comment:

    In looking at the DTs in our range, Williams and Jenkins, neither appear to be the type of player that will get pressure up the middle on a QB.  Below are scouting reports I saw:

    WILLIAMS:

    WEAKNESSES: Bit of a one-trick pony as Williams does not possess the quickness or the agility to collapse the pocket as a pass rusher. Must do a better job of protecting his knees as he is susceptible to cut blocks. Too often raises his pad level at the snap, negating some of his power and making him all the more vulnerable to cuts, as he possesses only moderate flexibility.

    Has to do a better job of getting his hands up in passing lanes as he rarely gets home as a pass rusher (just three passes broken up in 25 career starts at Alabama).

    JENKINS:

    WEAKNESSES: Provides little in terms of an interior pass rush. Is simply too wide to not get slowed down while squeezing through tight gaps in the interior line and has only phone booth quickness.

    Wears down quickly and will need to be substituted often to be fully effective in the NFL. Allows his pad level to rise as he tires, which negates his strength.

    So, if gaining interior pressure from these guys is the prime motivator to take them with the eye to replace Love/Deaderick next to VW, it doesn't appear either athlete will provide the hoped pass rush.

    I'm still leaning towards big physical CB or Strong Safety as my top desire but still would like to see more speed and pass coverage ability at MLB.  When teams hurry up against us, Spikes is exposed.  He is not a 3 down LB in my opinion.  I am wondering how Hightower would do if moved inside since he is faster (not sure if quicker or more instinctive) than Spikes and we could then either add an OLB or MLB to improve our speed at the second level.

    I do think we are limited in our depth at LB in general.  I don't want to see Ninkovich back there.  He was a disaster when he played for Spikes in Week 17.  Tracy White and Niko Koutouvides are UFAs after the season and Dane Fletcher is restricted and coming off a knee.  This leaves us just Rivera after starters Hightower, Spikes and Mayo.  Dropping a DE back like Ninko or Cunningham only slows us down.

    What do you guys think of Stanford's Chase Thomas?  6-4, 248 with some speed seems to be a good play maker and shows ability to get in the back field and make plays.  I remember being impressed with him against Cal where he had 4 TFLs, 1 sack, 1 FF and 1 FR.  Seems like an end of Round 2 type and I would think be a smart player.  I don't see him on Mb's board.

     

     

     



    I'm not completely sure on Jenkins truthfully. I've watched him a lot and most of the time he is double or tripled team while having the RB as a back up blocker. He gets into the backfield a lot and disrupts a large number of plays forcing RB's and QB's away from the pocket. In a way I see a lot of Wilfork's college career in Jenkins. Actually I bet if you put what scouts said side by side they'd have a lot of similarities. But if you have both Jenkins and Wilfork next to each other there aren't enough blockers to stop both. You can't put a full body into both guys and both are strong enough to push through doubles at angles. Conditioning might be an issue but again from watching him, he might not make the plays but he forces plays away from him because he's so disruptive.

    As for J Williams, the guy is one of the strongest DL in the draft. The reason he might be a one trick pony at this point is he only recently started to play football and doesn't have all the years of experience developing moves to beat blockers. Williams is more of a raw talent but he has great upside.




    +1. Jenkins won't run around anyone but has the ability to push them back. What do you think of his work ethic? I don't want another Haynesworth here (though I doubt we'll ever see someone that lazy in the league ever again) I think he could be in a little better shape and lose some weight without it affecting his game

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 5:02 PM EST

    There was alot of talk during the playoff game against the Texans about the Patriots tempo.  The announcers were saying how the NFL is a copycat league and more teams will try to run the same hurry up offense like the Pats.  

    If that's the case, which types of defensive players will be in higher demand?  More versitile players?  Faster and lighter?  I'm kind of curious to see how this will change the draft.

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 5:21 PM EST

    I think if they go after a DT in the draft or FA, it should be a pro-bowl caliber type guy. I like what Love, Deadrick and Francis all bring. So that gives you 4 Dts including VW. Love is the heaviest of those 3 (listed at 315 but I'm guessing he's heavier than that, 325 maybe? If they add a stud 340+ and put him next to Vince, who is going to bother to run up the middle on them anymore? They could both push the pocket back while CJ and RN rush the outside and it would trap the QB. I think a pressure can be just as good as a sack in some cases because it'll set someone else up to get a sack or force the QB to make a dumb decision

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 5:28 PM EST

    In response to Army2LT's comment:

    There was alot of talk during the playoff game against the Texans about the Patriots tempo.  The announcers were saying how the NFL is a copycat league and more teams will try to run the same hurry up offense like the Pats.  

    If that's the case, which types of defensive players will be in higher demand?  More versitile players?  Faster and lighter?  I'm kind of curious to see how this will change the draft.




    Hybrid guys imo. MB mentioned Devonte Holloman who could be good to play LB/S. If teams try to run the no-huddle looking for good matchups to prevent the D from substituting then guys that have versatility will have a lot of value

    I don't think half the league is good/smart enough to run it effectively and they don't have the luxury of a having a Gronk and Hernandez who are great recievers and create matchups problems. I could see a run on TE's in this draft with a lot of them going early

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 5:55 PM EST

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    I don't know about you guys but it seems like every mock draft has the Patriots taking WR Tavon Austin from WV.  As a player I really like Austin but I really don't think the Pats draft him seeing that they have guys like Demps coming back and Vareen/Woodhead.  Austin is extremely dynamic and can do a lot of things however I feel like he'll break down quickly in the NFL.  One guy I would go after in 2nd/3rd round is Austin's teammate Stedman Bailey.  Seems like a more traditional WR but can play on the outside and in the slot.  He's been tremendously productive and looks like a good route runner.  I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. 



    I agree, I just don't see Austin as a good fit for the Pats. He's dynamic with the ball in his hands but in the end I don't think he'd make as big of an impact on the Pats as going D early and taking a WR a little later in the draft. Esp, since I'm convinced they are looking to convert Demps into a WR and he's got wheels like no one else in the league



    exactly. the piece missing on offense is a 6 2" outside wr wtih wheels and hands, of which there are plenty to choose from

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 6:01 PM EST

    In response to Homecheese's comment:

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    Quick question.


    Who, likely to be on the board at 32 and/or 64, could project to beat out any of our current starters by Week 1-8?

    I don't see it.  This draft is for depth and future so I would not be shocked to see BB trade back and out as much as possible.

     

     

     

     

     




    If Jessie Williams or Jenkins is available, I could see them lining up next to Vince in week 1. At #64 I'm going by position instead of player and I would say SS? This is based on if they keep all their current starters




    So Kyle Love is considered the weakest link?  Not sure I agree.  He's pretty stout against the run.  But Williams and Jenkins are bigger and could develop into better pros.



    Originally I thought Ninkovich but he's done a great job this year. I like Love alot and he should be in the rotation but yes I would say him or Gregory ( and maybe I'd even lean towards Gregory as the weaker link at this point) but I think we need more big bodies up front. Someone who can play the run and collapse the pocket would be great and free up Vince as well



    these were my thouhgts going into the draft. pass rushing de and dt yo describe. wiht all teh priorities i see and wiht the 3 picks i jsut dont see teh need as high for the dt. though one of the guys im highest on, ansah, can play inside or outside. he will get a lot stronger as well imo. hes already pretty strong fighting offf double teams by the irish.

    id have no problem moving up for ansah.

    same for rhodes.

    2 players i lke most in rd 1 right now who may be available within reach.

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 6:02 PM EST

    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

    In response to ricky12684's comment:

    "In the NFL, technique is more important than any physical skillset an athlete has. Players can’t get by with just their physical talent. This is the concern that lies with the Gators’ Elam and he has to clean it up once he gets into the pros or he will be picked apart."

    can gators S elam cover in the NFL?

    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/42288/321/can-gators-s-elam-cover



    A couple of thoughts:

    1.  Pretty sure the first play is where Elam eventually caught up to Beckham and stripped him of the ball near the sideline, with Florida recovering... doesn't make up for a blown coverage from a technique perspective, but it erases the big play.

    2.  This guy is nitpicking (2) plays as evidence that Elam can't cover?  Perform the same exercise with all highly rated safeties and tell me what you find.  Elam is asked to play a ton in coverage (deep/slot/man/zone, etc.) and I haven't seen many passes completed against him (have watched every tape I can find), let alone for big plays. 

     



    hes legit. 1st pref for me mgiht be vaccaro.

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 6:04 PM EST

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    Do you think there's any chance the Pats take a TE?  Seeing how the Pats have brought in many FA over the years and also how Gronk and Hernandez have missed playing time over the past 2 years leads me to believe there's a chance they spend a pick in this area.

    Thoughts?



    i dont see it.

    next year we carry 4 of 5 (INCLUDING ballard) we have should be enough except for practicve squad maybe




    I like how BB brought in Ballard off waivers and I'm excited to see this guy play next year but I have few questions about him. 1. He's had about 2 or 3 injuries now in 2years so is he a guy that'll be always on/off the injury report. 2. Diffrent Offense 3. 38 career receptions and 4 tds doesn't make him a lock for that 3rd TE spot. I like his potential though!

    I'm not saying thy should spend a 1st or 2nd on one but I like this TE class and think it wouldn't hurt to add a guy like Michael Williams or Jake Stoneburner



    i see, so you think one of these guys might beat out ballard in camp / preseason?

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 6:06 PM EST

    Dion Jordan: Ducks LB Dion Jordan to have surgery (labrum) Dion Jordan - DL - OR - Jan. 8 - 11:33 am et

    Oregon senior OLB Dion Jordan will undergo surgery to repair a torn labrum, according to SI's Tony Pauline.
    We had feared this news, and now Jordan is almost certainly going to miss the Senior Bowl. Many players have historically missed postseason events due to a number of reasons and still earned first-round selections, and Jordan could do the same. Still, his versatility in space and as a rusher would've been fun to see in Mobile. Besides this recent injury, Jordan does not have a long medical report during his time at Oregon. Jan. 8 - 11:33 am et
    Source: Tony Pauline on Twitter

     

     

     

    Not sure if this was already mentioned.  I wonder if this will make him drop.  He will miss the Senior Bowl not sure about the combine.

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 6:10 PM EST

    In response to bredbru's comment:

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    Quick question.


    Who, likely to be on the board at 32 and/or 64, could project to beat out any of our current starters by Week 1-8?

    I don't see it.  This draft is for depth and future so I would not be shocked to see BB trade back and out as much as possible.

     

     

     

     

     




    If Jessie Williams or Jenkins is available, I could see them lining up next to Vince in week 1. At #64 I'm going by position instead of player and I would say SS? This is based on if they keep all their current starters




    So Kyle Love is considered the weakest link?  Not sure I agree.  He's pretty stout against the run.  But Williams and Jenkins are bigger and could develop into better pros.



    Originally I thought Ninkovich but he's done a great job this year. I like Love alot and he should be in the rotation but yes I would say him or Gregory ( and maybe I'd even lean towards Gregory as the weaker link at this point) but I think we need more big bodies up front. Someone who can play the run and collapse the pocket would be great and free up Vince as well



    these were my thouhgts going into the draft. pass rushing de and dt yo describe. wiht all teh priorities i see and wiht the 3 picks i jsut dont see teh need as high for the dt. though one of the guys im highest on, ansah, can play inside or outside. he will get a lot stronger as well imo. hes already pretty strong fighting offf double teams by the irish.

    id have no problem moving up for ansah.

    same for rhodes.

    2 players i lke most in rd 1 right now who may be available within reach.




    I agree if the right guy like Ansah for example is available then they should. I like the depth at DT and DE so they don't need a lot of prospects just some really good ones to push for starting spots.

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 6:14 PM EST

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    In looking at the DTs in our range, Williams and Jenkins, neither appear to be the type of player that will get pressure up the middle on a QB.  Below are scouting reports I saw:

    WILLIAMS:

    WEAKNESSES: Bit of a one-trick pony as Williams does not possess the quickness or the agility to collapse the pocket as a pass rusher. Must do a better job of protecting his knees as he is susceptible to cut blocks. Too often raises his pad level at the snap, negating some of his power and making him all the more vulnerable to cuts, as he possesses only moderate flexibility.

    Has to do a better job of getting his hands up in passing lanes as he rarely gets home as a pass rusher (just three passes broken up in 25 career starts at Alabama).

    JENKINS:

    WEAKNESSES: Provides little in terms of an interior pass rush. Is simply too wide to not get slowed down while squeezing through tight gaps in the interior line and has only phone booth quickness.

    Wears down quickly and will need to be substituted often to be fully effective in the NFL. Allows his pad level to rise as he tires, which negates his strength.

    So, if gaining interior pressure from these guys is the prime motivator to take them with the eye to replace Love/Deaderick next to VW, it doesn't appear either athlete will provide the hoped pass rush.

    I'm still leaning towards big physical CB or Strong Safety as my top desire but still would like to see more speed and pass coverage ability at MLB.  When teams hurry up against us, Spikes is exposed.  He is not a 3 down LB in my opinion.  I am wondering how Hightower would do if moved inside since he is faster (not sure if quicker or more instinctive) than Spikes and we could then either add an OLB or MLB to improve our speed at the second level.

    I do think we are limited in our depth at LB in general.  I don't want to see Ninkovich back there.  He was a disaster when he played for Spikes in Week 17.  Tracy White and Niko Koutouvides are UFAs after the season and Dane Fletcher is restricted and coming off a knee.  This leaves us just Rivera after starters Hightower, Spikes and Mayo.  Dropping a DE back like Ninko or Cunningham only slows us down.

    What do you guys think of Stanford's Chase Thomas?  6-4, 248 with some speed seems to be a good play maker and shows ability to get in the back field and make plays.  I remember being impressed with him against Cal where he had 4 TFLs, 1 sack, 1 FF and 1 FR.  Seems like an end of Round 2 type and I would think be a smart player.  I don't see him on Mb's board.

     

     

     



    re:So, if gaining interior pressure from these guys is the prime motivator to take them with the eye to replace Love/Deaderick next to VW, it doesn't appear either athlete will provide the hoped pass rush."

    syl wiliams is a dt penetrator ive been mentioning

    re:
    "    I'm still leaning towards big physical CB or Strong Safety as my top desire"

    my first prefernce is ansah.

    if i cant get him i want rhodes.

    i hope we get the safety in fa, but if not, i think we can get a good safety betweenb rd 2-3 for example in rambo.

    re:

    "still would like to see more speed and pass coverage ability at MLB.  When teams hurry up against us, Spikes is exposed.  He is not a 3 down LB in my opinion.  I am wondering how Hightower would do if moved inside since he is faster (not sure if quicker or more instinctive) than Spikes and we could then either add an OLB or MLB to improve our speed at the second level."

    this too is one of my needs, pref in fa with only 3 picks (and the last need i address with my fa and draft plan.

    with greater needs i dont go lb in draft (though i suppose bb could fill the interior line need or big ouside wr in fa that latter being too costly for me)

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 6:16 PM EST

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    Do you think there's any chance the Pats take a TE?  Seeing how the Pats have brought in many FA over the years and also how Gronk and Hernandez have missed playing time over the past 2 years leads me to believe there's a chance they spend a pick in this area.

    Thoughts?



    i dont see it.

    next year we carry 4 of 5 (INCLUDING ballard) we have should be enough except for practicve squad maybe




    I like how BB brought in Ballard off waivers and I'm excited to see this guy play next year but I have few questions about him. 1. He's had about 2 or 3 injuries now in 2years so is he a guy that'll be always on/off the injury report. 2. Diffrent Offense 3. 38 career receptions and 4 tds doesn't make him a lock for that 3rd TE spot. I like his potential though!

    I'm not saying thy should spend a 1st or 2nd on one but I like this TE class and think it wouldn't hurt to add a guy like Michael Williams or Jake Stoneburner



    i see, so you think one of these guys might beat out ballard in camp / preseason?




    Not exactly. I like having Ballard here but want them to use maybe a mid to late round pick on one to give him competition. With all the injuries at TE and how important they are in the offense, they should carry 4 anyway. Not a big fan of Fells but I like Hooman though so maybe they're all set but would love the added competition and there are some good TE's in this draft

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 6:17 PM EST

    In response to Faucetman's comment:

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    In response to Faucetman's comment:

    In looking at the DTs in our range, Williams and Jenkins, neither appear to be the type of player that will get pressure up the middle on a QB.  Below are scouting reports I saw:

    WILLIAMS:

    WEAKNESSES: Bit of a one-trick pony as Williams does not possess the quickness or the agility to collapse the pocket as a pass rusher. Must do a better job of protecting his knees as he is susceptible to cut blocks. Too often raises his pad level at the snap, negating some of his power and making him all the more vulnerable to cuts, as he possesses only moderate flexibility.

    Has to do a better job of getting his hands up in passing lanes as he rarely gets home as a pass rusher (just three passes broken up in 25 career starts at Alabama).

    JENKINS:

    WEAKNESSES: Provides little in terms of an interior pass rush. Is simply too wide to not get slowed down while squeezing through tight gaps in the interior line and has only phone booth quickness.

    Wears down quickly and will need to be substituted often to be fully effective in the NFL. Allows his pad level to rise as he tires, which negates his strength.

    So, if gaining interior pressure from these guys is the prime motivator to take them with the eye to replace Love/Deaderick next to VW, it doesn't appear either athlete will provide the hoped pass rush.

    I'm still leaning towards big physical CB or Strong Safety as my top desire but still would like to see more speed and pass coverage ability at MLB.  When teams hurry up against us, Spikes is exposed.  He is not a 3 down LB in my opinion.  I am wondering how Hightower would do if moved inside since he is faster (not sure if quicker or more instinctive) than Spikes and we could then either add an OLB or MLB to improve our speed at the second level.

    I do think we are limited in our depth at LB in general.  I don't want to see Ninkovich back there.  He was a disaster when he played for Spikes in Week 17.  Tracy White and Niko Koutouvides are UFAs after the season and Dane Fletcher is restricted and coming off a knee.  This leaves us just Rivera after starters Hightower, Spikes and Mayo.  Dropping a DE back like Ninko or Cunningham only slows us down.

    What do you guys think of Stanford's Chase Thomas?  6-4, 248 with some speed seems to be a good play maker and shows ability to get in the back field and make plays.  I remember being impressed with him against Cal where he had 4 TFLs, 1 sack, 1 FF and 1 FR.  Seems like an end of Round 2 type and I would think be a smart player.  I don't see him on Mb's board.

     

     

     



    I'm not completely sure on Jenkins truthfully. I've watched him a lot and most of the time he is double or tripled team while having the RB as a back up blocker. He gets into the backfield a lot and disrupts a large number of plays forcing RB's and QB's away from the pocket. In a way I see a lot of Wilfork's college career in Jenkins. Actually I bet if you put what scouts said side by side they'd have a lot of similarities. But if you have both Jenkins and Wilfork next to each other there aren't enough blockers to stop both. You can't put a full body into both guys and both are strong enough to push through doubles at angles. Conditioning might be an issue but again from watching him, he might not make the plays but he forces plays away from him because he's so disruptive.

    As for J Williams, the guy is one of the strongest DL in the draft. The reason he might be a one trick pony at this point is he only recently started to play football and doesn't have all the years of experience developing moves to beat blockers. Williams is more of a raw talent but he has great upside.




    Yeah, I figured both players saw a lot of doubles and you're right, You can't double VW, CJ and another stud DT.  But I think Love has come on and not sure we gain all that much near term.  Deaderick will be back, not sure about Brace but we have some big bodies.  BB will have to decide if one are there at 32 which I'm not sure they will be vs. going back 7.

    The combo of Welker/Edelman both being UFAs makes me wonder if we might target one but slot receivers can often be found late in the draft and I think Ebert would tend to be a slot and Welker will be back under the tag.  So, maybe go with a DB in round 1, a LB in round 2 then a big physical WR in round 3 if the stud DTs are gone.



    i hve db, o line, wr or db wr, o line

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 6:22 PM EST

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    Quick question.


    Who, likely to be on the board at 32 and/or 64, could project to beat out any of our current starters by Week 1-8?

    I don't see it.  This draft is for depth and future so I would not be shocked to see BB trade back and out as much as possible.

     

     

     

     

     




    If Jessie Williams or Jenkins is available, I could see them lining up next to Vince in week 1. At #64 I'm going by position instead of player and I would say SS? This is based on if they keep all their current starters




    So Kyle Love is considered the weakest link?  Not sure I agree.  He's pretty stout against the run.  But Williams and Jenkins are bigger and could develop into better pros.



    Originally I thought Ninkovich but he's done a great job this year. I like Love alot and he should be in the rotation but yes I would say him or Gregory ( and maybe I'd even lean towards Gregory as the weaker link at this point) but I think we need more big bodies up front. Someone who can play the run and collapse the pocket would be great and free up Vince as well



    these were my thouhgts going into the draft. pass rushing de and dt yo describe. wiht all teh priorities i see and wiht the 3 picks i jsut dont see teh need as high for the dt. though one of the guys im highest on, ansah, can play inside or outside. he will get a lot stronger as well imo. hes already pretty strong fighting offf double teams by the irish.

    id have no problem moving up for ansah.

    same for rhodes.

    2 players i lke most in rd 1 right now who may be available within reach.




    I agree if the right guy like Ansah for example is available then they should. I like the depth at DT and DE so they don't need a lot of prospects just some really good ones to push for starting spots.



    "they don't need a lot of prospects just some really good ones to push for starting spots."

    exactly pred!

    what ive been saying for over a year.

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 6:23 PM EST

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    Do you think there's any chance the Pats take a TE?  Seeing how the Pats have brought in many FA over the years and also how Gronk and Hernandez have missed playing time over the past 2 years leads me to believe there's a chance they spend a pick in this area.

    Thoughts?



    i dont see it.

    next year we carry 4 of 5 (INCLUDING ballard) we have should be enough except for practicve squad maybe




    I like how BB brought in Ballard off waivers and I'm excited to see this guy play next year but I have few questions about him. 1. He's had about 2 or 3 injuries now in 2years so is he a guy that'll be always on/off the injury report. 2. Diffrent Offense 3. 38 career receptions and 4 tds doesn't make him a lock for that 3rd TE spot. I like his potential though!

    I'm not saying thy should spend a 1st or 2nd on one but I like this TE class and think it wouldn't hurt to add a guy like Michael Williams or Jake Stoneburner



    i see, so you think one of these guys might beat out ballard in camp / preseason?




    Not exactly. I like having Ballard here but want them to use maybe a mid to late round pick on one to give him competition. With all the injuries at TE and how important they are in the offense, they should carry 4 anyway. Not a big fan of Fells but I like Hooman though so maybe they're all set but would love the added competition and there are some good TE's in this draft



    so comp for hooman sounds like. cool

    sure if you find a guy who ends up being a serious weapon with  alow pick and who can fill if gronk or ballard have issues, great.

    with out picks id only risk a 7th, unless its a 6th next hyear plus  a7th this year for a low rd pick kind of thing

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 6:51 PM EST

    they resurrected the wrong draft thread. can anyone reach these guys?

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 6:53 PM EST

    It looked like the board was fixed, but.... did we lose all the posts here?

     

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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    posted at 1/15/2013 7:38 PM EST

    can someone reach bdc to retrieve our actvie thread?