***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    What's the word on Terrance Williams, WR Baylor?  At 6-2, 205 gotta like his size.  He put up amazing numbers this year. 97/1832/12.  His 18.89 ypc and 1832 yards is tops in the NCAA.  We need a tall, down-the-field threat.  Not sure he makes it to 64, might have to take at 32 or trade down and get him in the 40s.

     
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    im seeing a lot more of xavier rhodes to pats as time goes on (inlcuding today buffalo bills draft .com)

    as long as we get a pass rusher in fa or rd 2 (i dont expect oakafor to make it to teh end of rd 2 so we may need to be flexible), i'll take him (rhodes) all day.

    by the way, re the many sites who have pats taking austin. a guy who can do so many thiings with the ball. hello, weve got demps next year.

    how bout something we dont have (hopkins, hunter, rogers, williams, patterson, allen, etc): speed, height, size, and hands in one package

     



    I think South Carolina WR Ace Sanders on Day 2 provides better value than Tavon Austin in Rd 1.  Both are smaller (Sanders 5-8 175, Austin 5-9 175), ultra-quick big play type kids that can impact the game anytime they touch the ball... Austin had the luxury of playing in a more dynamic/pass happy offense (WVU attempted 532 passes to SC's 365), thus more touches/opportunities, though Sanders scored on 20% of his receptions (45 Rec / 9 TD's)... Sanders was also more effective as a PR man.

     

    I have Sanders as the #3 WR on my board, behind Hopkins and Woods... check him out.

     



    sure, but only wr i want is the big kind. weve ahd the littles for years. i want one good big wr.

     

     

     




     

    The other guy who hasnt received much pub around here is Keenan Allen WR fom Cal. I havent mentioned him in the past since I just assumed he would be out of our range. However it seems he is being devalued the further along we get into this draft process. He played with a pretty bad quarterback this past season but still put up respectable numbers. At 6-3, 215 he has a very good size speed combo and is very similar in playing style to Robert Woods WR from USC. Difference being that he has better size and speed.



    yeha speed i had him on my list

     
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    Forgive me if someone has already mentioned this before. With Mike Lombardi's hire as VP of Player Personell in Cleveland, there is a rumor swirling around the internet that Cleveland would look into trading for Ryan Mallet quite possibly giving up their number 6 overall pick to do so. I would not be surprised if Lombardi was interested in Mallet but it would shock me if they surrendered their first round pick for him. Earlier this year when he was an analyst at NFL Network, he publicly trashed the Brandon Weeden pick and just today he refused to endorse Weeden publicly but instead said he needed more time to evaluate him. When you compound this with statements he had made last year that he would trade for Brian Hoyer if he were starting a new franchise, makes me think he will influence a trade for Mallet. Only thing that stops the trade IMO is if the GM Joe Banner does not share the enthusiasm for Mallet. I will be following this closely. Fascinating stuff!




    I would take a 2nd for Mallet in a heartbeat.  Let's face it, the kid isn't going to play until after Brady retires which could be 3-5 years meaning he will be a F/A first.  Might as well get something for him now.  As for this rumor, first I heard of it, but I will be happy if true.

     
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    What's the word on Terrance Williams, WR Baylor?  At 6-2, 205 gotta like his size.  He put up amazing numbers this year. 97/1832/12.  His 18.89 ypc and 1832 yards is tops in the NCAA.  We need a tall, down-the-field threat.  Not sure he makes it to 64, might have to take at 32 or trade down and get him in the 40s.



    hes on my list of wrs. dotn knwo id take a wr with our top pick even if its a trade down.

    depends who we get overall i guess.

     

     
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    Forgive me if someone has already mentioned this before. With Mike Lombardi's hire as VP of Player Personell in Cleveland, there is a rumor swirling around the internet that Cleveland would look into trading for Ryan Mallet quite possibly giving up their number 6 overall pick to do so. I would not be surprised if Lombardi was interested in Mallet but it would shock me if they surrendered their first round pick for him. Earlier this year when he was an analyst at NFL Network, he publicly trashed the Brandon Weeden pick and just today he refused to endorse Weeden publicly but instead said he needed more time to evaluate him. When you compound this with statements he had made last year that he would trade for Brian Hoyer if he were starting a new franchise, makes me think he will influence a trade for Mallet. Only thing that stops the trade IMO is if the GM Joe Banner does not share the enthusiasm for Mallet. I will be following this closely. Fascinating stuff!

     




    I would take a 2nd for Mallet in a heartbeat.  Let's face it, the kid isn't going to play until after Brady retires which could be 3-5 years meaning he will be a F/A first.  Might as well get something for him now.  As for this rumor, first I heard of it, but I will be happy if true.

     

     



    abosultey and i posted same thing about mallet. he wont be a starter here casue brady aint givin up the reigns

     

    #6 overall would be music to the ears.

    then depending on who we get in fa if we get a pass rsuher and safety in fa

    you got star and werner sitting about there.

     
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    Forgive me if someone has already mentioned this before. With Mike Lombardi's hire as VP of Player Personell in Cleveland, there is a rumor swirling around the internet that Cleveland would look into trading for Ryan Mallet quite possibly giving up their number 6 overall pick to do so. I would not be surprised if Lombardi was interested in Mallet but it would shock me if they surrendered their first round pick for him. Earlier this year when he was an analyst at NFL Network, he publicly trashed the Brandon Weeden pick and just today he refused to endorse Weeden publicly but instead said he needed more time to evaluate him. When you compound this with statements he had made last year that he would trade for Brian Hoyer if he were starting a new franchise, makes me think he will influence a trade for Mallet. Only thing that stops the trade IMO is if the GM Joe Banner does not share the enthusiasm for Mallet. I will be following this closely. Fascinating stuff!

     




    I would take a 2nd for Mallet in a heartbeat.  Let's face it, the kid isn't going to play until after Brady retires which could be 3-5 years meaning he will be a F/A first.  Might as well get something for him now.  As for this rumor, first I heard of it, but I will be happy if true.

     




    I dont think the Browns have a second rounder due to the trade for Josh Gordon in the supplemental draft last year. Swapping first round picks with Mallet thrown in would be really nice.

     
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    What's the word on Terrance Williams, WR Baylor?  At 6-2, 205 gotta like his size.  He put up amazing numbers this year. 97/1832/12.  His 18.89 ypc and 1832 yards is tops in the NCAA.  We need a tall, down-the-field threat.  Not sure he makes it to 64, might have to take at 32 or trade down and get him in the 40s.

     



    hes on my list of wrs. dotn knwo id take a wr with our top pick even if its a trade down.

     

    depends who we get overall i guess.

     




    Cant argue with that kind of production. Curious to see how well he performs at the combine. Having a WR who can beat one on one coverage consistently really opens up things for the entire offense. Im hoping the Pats break the mold and get a big fast WR in this draft. Torrey Smith for instance has really helped the Baltimore defense.

     
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    RE: Size of WR's.

    I'm not opposed to size, but I don't think it's a necessity for WR's as some have made it out to to be.  For all the talk about getting the ball down the field, they've been top 5 in YPA (2) out of the last (3) years and were top 10 this year.  They've also been top 4 in passing yards the last (2) seasons, 11th in 2010. 

    What I think they need is players that fit their offensive scheme... players that excel in the short to intermediate game with the ability to create after the catch... if that's a player with size, great, but I don't see it as a necessity at all. 

     
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    What's the word on Terrance Williams, WR Baylor?  At 6-2, 205 gotta like his size.  He put up amazing numbers this year. 97/1832/12.  His 18.89 ypc and 1832 yards is tops in the NCAA.  We need a tall, down-the-field threat.  Not sure he makes it to 64, might have to take at 32 or trade down and get him in the 40s.

     



    hes on my list of wrs. dotn knwo id take a wr with our top pick even if its a trade down.

     

    depends who we get overall i guess.

     

     




     

    Cant argue with that kind of production. Curious to see how well he performs at the combine. Having a WR who can beat one on one coverage consistently really opens up things for the entire offense. Im hoping the Pats break the mold and get a big fast WR in this draft. Torrey Smith for instance has really helped the Baltimore defense.



    were on the same page

     
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    RE: Size of WR's.

    I'm not opposed to size, but I don't think it's a necessity for WR's as some have made it out to to be.  For all the talk about getting the ball down the field, they've been top 5 in YPA (2) out of the last (3) years and were top 10 this year.  They've also been top 4 in passing yards the last (2) seasons, 11th in 2010. 

    What I think they need is players that fit their offensive scheme... players that excel in the short to intermediate game with the ability to create after the catch... if that's a player with size, great, but I don't see it as a necessity at all. 



    we definitelyt are in different camps. you cant coach size or reach. you can catch passes smaller guys cant reach. you can't cover someone as well when thier reach is well beyond yours.

    i dotn care about season #s, when it comes to palyoffs and super bowls, when you face the toughest defenses, they cant stop a big wide depp threat, gronk and hern, welker, and ridley/vereen.at least not when yhou have a halfway decent o line. adding a big guy who can separate adn who has speed woudl make this defense that much more unstoppable

     
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    Mallett to the Browns will probably heat up. Browns will have to give up number 6 overall pick this year, plus more. No clue what else.

     



    plus more? who wrote that?

    if we get a #6 for mallet they should fire the decisionmaker in cleveland (but not till after the draft when we select star lotuleilei or bjoern werner! (that woudl be the coup of the year!)

     
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    ricky and i followup

     

     

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    Mallett to the Browns will probably heat up. Browns will have to give up number 6 overall pick this year, plus more. No clue what else.

     

     



    plus more? who wrote that?

     

    if we get a #6 for mallet they should fire the decisionmaker in cleveland (but not till after the draft when we select star lotuleilei or bjoern werner! (that woudl be the coup of the year!)

     



    if cleveland gives up the #6 it would mean NE would give up their #1 one (pick 28-32). Cleveland would then have to throw in probably Brandon Weeden + another pick in 2013 or 2014

     



    so its not mallet for #6 but mallet and our #1 for #6 and somethinig else.

    i dont care what something else is. i want the #6 and i run.

    i look at theiir roster. probabbly tomorrow and sure ill see what theyre willing to part with.

    positions of need, big wr, big cb, top safety, dt, pass rsuhing dt, c/g, big outside wr, speedy cover lb.

    i dont need weedon, i can get some backup qb out of work. he will never see the field unless we have a blown season anyway.

     

    by the way is this verified by any other source?

    who is nfl philosophY?

    thanks for teh juicy bits!

     
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    DE/OLB Candidate

    Lavar Edwards, DE, LSU (6’5/258) – Speaking of overshadowed, no one got overshadowed more in college football than Lavar Edwards. He’s one of the top 12 pass rushers in this draft and couldn’t even crack the starting lineup every week at LSU. Edwards could be the break out star at the Senior Bowl, because the eyes will be on him now. He doesn’t have the same burst or quickness as the top guys, but he is smart and disciplined player. He can set the edge vs. the run and uses his motor and quickness to rush the passer. He’s also quite versatile as he plays SSDE and moved inside to tackle on obvious passing downs. Edwards has the natural size to be a 4-3 DE and should be a solid pro player.

    http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/01/2013-senior-bowl-defense-preview.html

     
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    I would look at Gooden as a hybrid LB/SS, a coverage linebacker

    Zavier Gooden, OLB, Missouri (6’2/230) – One of the most athletic players in college football this year regardless of position. Has 4.4 speed from the linebacker position and profiles as a traditional “Will” linebacker in a 4-3. A former safety, Gooden can run and cover a lot of ground. He’s not the most physical player and will need to get stronger to withstand an NFL schedule, but he can fly around and make plays all over the field. Gooden is a team captain and an All-Academic Big XII selection. Right now he relies mostly on his athleticism to make plays, instead of his instincts and recognitions skills, but you can’t get by in the NFL only on athleticism.

    http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/01/2013-senior-bowl-defense-preview.html

     
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    DE/OLB Candidate

    Lavar Edwards, DE, LSU (6’5/258) – Speaking of overshadowed, no one got overshadowed more in college football than Lavar Edwards. He’s one of the top 12 pass rushers in this draft and couldn’t even crack the starting lineup every week at LSU. Edwards could be the break out star at the Senior Bowl, because the eyes will be on him now. He doesn’t have the same burst or quickness as the top guys, but he is smart and disciplined player. He can set the edge vs. the run and uses his motor and quickness to rush the passer. He’s also quite versatile as he plays SSDE and moved inside to tackle on obvious passing downs. Edwards has the natural size to be a 4-3 DE and should be a solid pro player.

    http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/01/2013-senior-bowl-defense-preview.html



    Solid mid-late round option, I like him.

     
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    I would look at Gooden as a hybrid LB/SS, a coverage linebacker

    Zavier Gooden, OLB, Missouri (6’2/230) – One of the most athletic players in college football this year regardless of position. Has 4.4 speed from the linebacker position and profiles as a traditional “Will” linebacker in a 4-3. A former safety, Gooden can run and cover a lot of ground. He’s not the most physical player and will need to get stronger to withstand an NFL schedule, but he can fly around and make plays all over the field. Gooden is a team captain and an All-Academic Big XII selection. Right now he relies mostly on his athleticism to make plays, instead of his instincts and recognitions skills, but you can’t get by in the NFL only on athleticism.

    http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/01/2013-senior-bowl-defense-preview.html



    I'll have to check him out.

     
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    RE: Size of WR's.

    I'm not opposed to size, but I don't think it's a necessity for WR's as some have made it out to to be.  For all the talk about getting the ball down the field, they've been top 5 in YPA (2) out of the last (3) years and were top 10 this year.  They've also been top 4 in passing yards the last (2) seasons, 11th in 2010. 

    What I think they need is players that fit their offensive scheme... players that excel in the short to intermediate game with the ability to create after the catch... if that's a player with size, great, but I don't see it as a necessity at all. 

     



    we definitelyt are in different camps. you cant coach size or reach. you can catch passes smaller guys cant reach. you can't cover someone as well when thier reach is well beyond yours.

     

    i dotn care about season #s, when it comes to palyoffs and super bowls, when you face the toughest defenses, they cant stop a big wide depp threat, gronk and hern, welker, and ridley/vereen.at least not when yhou have a halfway decent o line. adding a big guy who can separate adn who has speed woudl make this defense that much more unstoppable



    Size doesn't make you a good or effective WR... again, not against it, have a couple of kids that are 6 ft+ at the top of my WR board, but it's not a necessity or even a need, IMO... offensive fit comes first. 

    Speed/quicks/COD/agility being equal, yeah I'd take the bigger kid, but that's not generally how it works... the more sudden, quick, coordinated kids are generally on the "smaller" side.

     
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    Mallett to the Browns will probably heat up. Browns will have to give up number 6 overall pick this year, plus more. No clue what else.

     

     



    plus more? who wrote that?

     

    if we get a #6 for mallet they should fire the decisionmaker in cleveland (but not till after the draft when we select star lotuleilei or bjoern werner! (that woudl be the coup of the year!)



    The below link looks to be where that story is stemming from... personally I'd be shocked if the Browns gave up the #6 pick for Mallet or even swapped 1st rounders.
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1490462-nfl-draft-rumor-browns-considering-trading-6th-overall-pick-for-ryan-mallett

    If they did pull off that kind of deal, I'd also bet money that BB would then use that pick to trade back to acquire more picks... though the allure of a marquee defender (Werner, Milliner, Lotulelei, etc.) would be tempting.

     
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    Another intriguing late round defender is Richmond S Cooper Taylor (6-4 229)... not a lot of tape out there on this kid, but reports reflect him as a big, tough athletic kid that plays with good awareness and physicality.  He was a former D1 player at GT that transferred after a few injuries there.  It also looks like he had some corrective heart surgery back in 2010, but played the full 2011 and 2012 seasons.

     
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    The mallet discussion is intriguing, but I can't see the browns giving up a 6th for him. The asking price of mallet and swaps of 1st round picks makes more sense. Cleveland retains a first and gets their QB. I don't think that price is too steep considering a week QB draft and the Browns displeasure witht their current QB stable. 

    Lets. Assume for a second the above happens...what do you do with the 6th overall pick? I'd Star is still around, he is my selection. Imagine what that does for the pats. I'd not, I would trade 6 back to the mid early teens, pick Woerner and grab another 2nd or so. 

     
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    Happy Saturday, boys!  Below is my Mock V2:

    Rd 1- DT- Jesse Williams (6-3 320) Alabama- Kid looks like an ideal fit as an interior tackle in BB’s 2-gap scheme.  He’s big, good burst off the snap, moves well laterally can eat the double and is very strong at the POA.  He’d look great next to VW in the middle. Alternatives: S Matt Elam Florida / OG Jon Cooper UNC

    Rd 2- DE/OLB- Tank Carradine (6-5 265) Florida State- Great size, length, athleticism and motor… he can create off the edge and also has excellent potential as a run defender, the prototype of what BB looks for in an edge defender. Alternative: DE/OLB  John Simon Ohio State / OLB Brandon Jenkins Florida State

    Rd 3- WR/PR Ace Sanders- (5-8 175) South Carolina- As quick, sudden, agile of a kid as I’ve seen on tape, this kid has elite movement ability and could be a huge weapon in NE’s offense and in the PR game. Alternative:  WR Ryan Swope Texas A&M / CB Darius Slay Miss State

    Rd 7- DE Quinton Dial (6-6 305) Alabama- Big , long, strong 34 DE with the SEC/Saban pedigree. Alternative:  DL Kapron Lewis-Moore ND / WR TJ Moe Missouri

    Rd 7- S Cooper Taylor (6-4 229) Richmond- Big, physical kid with good instincts, awareness and athleticism that could match up well against today’s bigger, more athletic TE’s.  Alternative: RB Spencer Ware (5-11 225) LSU / OG Jeff Baca UCLA

     

     
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    RE: Size of WR's.

    I'm not opposed to size, but I don't think it's a necessity for WR's as some have made it out to to be.  For all the talk about getting the ball down the field, they've been top 5 in YPA (2) out of the last (3) years and were top 10 this year.  They've also been top 4 in passing yards the last (2) seasons, 11th in 2010. 

    What I think they need is players that fit their offensive scheme... players that excel in the short to intermediate game with the ability to create after the catch... if that's a player with size, great, but I don't see it as a necessity at all. 




    True.  But it is also about creating mis-matches at every level.  The presence of Welker and his ability to get YAC and sheer production gives us the passing stats you mention.  But we have become a ball control, short passing team since Moss left.  The addition of the 2 stud TEs has given us mismatches in the short and intermediate levels.  Occassionally we go deep to a Gronk, Lloyd or Welker but this is usually because the defense has been cheating to stop the run and short passing game.  I expect BAL to do this a lot since the strength of their defense is their front 7 which matches up well with what we like to do offensively.


    Conversely, BAL on offense stretches the field with Torrey Smith and keeps defenses honest vs. loading the box to stop Ray Rice.  Whether we target a tall or not so tall WR, I think we would benefit from a burner who can take the top off a defense.  We may have this on our roster next year if we try Demps at WR more than as a RB/returner. 

     
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    RE: Size of WR's.

    I'm not opposed to size, but I don't think it's a necessity for WR's as some have made it out to to be.  For all the talk about getting the ball down the field, they've been top 5 in YPA (2) out of the last (3) years and were top 10 this year.  They've also been top 4 in passing yards the last (2) seasons, 11th in 2010. 

    What I think they need is players that fit their offensive scheme... players that excel in the short to intermediate game with the ability to create after the catch... if that's a player with size, great, but I don't see it as a necessity at all. 

     




    True.  But it is also about creating mis-matches at every level.  The presence of Welker and his ability to get YAC and sheer production gives us the passing stats you mention.  But we have become a ball control, short passing team since Moss left.  The addition of the 2 stud TEs has given us mismatches in the short and intermediate levels.  Occassionally we go deep to a Gronk, Lloyd or Welker but this is usually because the defense has been cheating to stop the run and short passing game.  I expect BAL to do this a lot since the strength of their defense is their front 7 which matches up well with what we like to do offensively.

     


    Conversely, BAL on offense stretches the field with Torrey Smith and keeps defenses honest vs. loading the box to stop Ray Rice.  Whether we target a tall or not so tall WR, I think we would benefit from a burner who can take the top off a defense.  We may have this on our roster next year if we try Demps at WR more than as a RB/returner. 

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    Baltimore can't really hold NE's jock when it comes to offense though, averaging less YPG in both the run and pass.  I do see the value of speed on the perimeter and that wasn't what I was disputing... I was disagreeing with the notion that a big WR is a necessity.

     

     
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    Mallett to the Browns will probably heat up. Browns will have to give up number 6 overall pick this year, plus more. No clue what else.

     

     



    plus more? who wrote that?

     

    if we get a #6 for mallet they should fire the decisionmaker in cleveland (but not till after the draft when we select star lotuleilei or bjoern werner! (that woudl be the coup of the year!)

     



    The below link looks to be where that story is stemming from... personally I'd be shocked if the Browns gave up the #6 pick for Mallet or even swapped 1st rounders.
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1490462-nfl-draft-rumor-browns-considering-trading-6th-overall-pick-for-ryan-mallett

     

    If they did pull off that kind of deal, I'd also bet money that BB would then use that pick to trade back to acquire more picks... though the allure of a marquee defender (Werner, Milliner, Lotulelei, etc.) would be tempting.



    Mallett and our 1st for #6, done and done no trade backs then give me Lotulelei and run out of the draft laughing

     
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    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

     

    RE: Size of WR's.

    I'm not opposed to size, but I don't think it's a necessity for WR's as some have made it out to to be.  For all the talk about getting the ball down the field, they've been top 5 in YPA (2) out of the last (3) years and were top 10 this year.  They've also been top 4 in passing yards the last (2) seasons, 11th in 2010. 

    What I think they need is players that fit their offensive scheme... players that excel in the short to intermediate game with the ability to create after the catch... if that's a player with size, great, but I don't see it as a necessity at all. 

     




    True.  But it is also about creating mis-matches at every level.  The presence of Welker and his ability to get YAC and sheer production gives us the passing stats you mention.  But we have become a ball control, short passing team since Moss left.  The addition of the 2 stud TEs has given us mismatches in the short and intermediate levels.  Occassionally we go deep to a Gronk, Lloyd or Welker but this is usually because the defense has been cheating to stop the run and short passing game.  I expect BAL to do this a lot since the strength of their defense is their front 7 which matches up well with what we like to do offensively.

     


    Conversely, BAL on offense stretches the field with Torrey Smith and keeps defenses honest vs. loading the box to stop Ray Rice.  Whether we target a tall or not so tall WR, I think we would benefit from a burner who can take the top off a defense.  We may have this on our roster next year if we try Demps at WR more than as a RB/returner. 

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    Baltimore can't really hold NE's jock when it comes to offense though, averaging less YPG in both the run and pass.  I do see the value of speed on the perimeter and that wasn't what I was disputing... I was disagreeing with the notion that a big WR is a necessity.

     


    I think we are in agreement.  I'm not saying that an outside threat needs to be tall, just fast with hands and route running skills.  Tall would be an added bonus.

    As for BAL, they finished 16th overall in offense, 11th in rushing (NE was 7th), 15th in passing (NE was 4th).  But BAL always seems to put up better passing numbers against us then their average perhaps because of their great OL vs. our poor pass rush and weak secondary.  Also, Flacco is very hot right now which worries me.  Brady has his lowest passer rating against Baltimore for his career which also concerns me.  This is likely going to be a very tough and close game.

     
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