***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    .... Mallett and our 1st for #6, done and done no trade backs then give me Lotulelei and run out of the draft laughing

     

     



    I think Star would have to really butcher his combine for him to not be picked in the top 3.

     

     



    Hey a person can dream :p

     

    Besides if it happened I wouldn't blaim BB for forgetting about the rest of the draft and just sit in the corner like Gollum strocking a picture of Star saying "my precise, we'z has big plans for you, my precise"



    I would not be too fixated on Star. I believe the DLmen in next year's draft will collectively prove much better than this year. Also, the QBs will be of much higher quality. Demand for those high picks will be very high. 

    Maybe package Mallett and NWE's 2013 first for the other team's 2013 second and 2014 first. I this could be a very tempting deal, as it eases the other team's need to use their first rounder on a QB that would be a first rounder in this class. That allows them to pick up a a good DLman in the process.

    I am thinking, KCC, ARI or JAX might be good targets for this deal.

     

     
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    .... Mallett and our 1st for #6, done and done no trade backs then give me Lotulelei and run out of the draft laughing

     

     



    I think Star would have to really butcher his combine for him to not be picked in the top 3.

     

     



    Hey a person can dream :p

     

    Besides if it happened I wouldn't blaim BB for forgetting about the rest of the draft and just sit in the corner like Gollum strocking a picture of Star saying "my precise, we'z has big plans for you, my precise"



    laughing my @ss off....

     
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    Mb,

    do the pats let Edelman walk? This army kid makes sense as a developmental type but for once would like us to grab a pure WR that has played the position for some time. 

    There is also Ebert on the ps. Do you think this kid could fill edelmans shoes next year if we let Edelman walk? There are 2 things I like about Edelman I don't or haven't seen in Elbert's game..explosion and lack of fear. He is the perfect compliment but not someone I would make a cornerstone of the offense. 



    agreed,, edelman stays on low $

     
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    .... Mallett and our 1st for #6, done and done no trade backs then give me Lotulelei and run out of the draft laughing

     

     



    I think Star would have to really butcher his combine for him to not be picked in the top 3.

     

     



    Hey a person can dream :p

     

    Besides if it happened I wouldn't blaim BB for forgetting about the rest of the draft and just sit in the corner like Gollum strocking a picture of Star saying "my precise, we'z has big plans for you, my precise"

     



    I would not be too fixated on Star. I believe the DLmen in next year's draft will collectively prove much better than this year. Also, the QBs will be of much higher quality. Demand for those high picks will be very high. 

     

    Maybe package Mallett and NWE's 2013 first for the other team's 2013 second and 2014 first. I this could be a very tempting deal, as it eases the other team's need to use their first rounder on a QB that would be a first rounder in this class. That allows them to pick up a a good DLman in the process.

    I am thinking, KCC, ARI or JAX might be good targets for this deal.

     



    if its a 2014 top 5 thats a possibility.

    thing is there are guys getting up there, nameley brady, etc and hay needs to made on superbowls now vs later. every year traded into bypasses somethign that could put us over this year. in 2 years who knows about heath of brady, fork, wrs, etc

     
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    .... Mallett and our 1st for #6, done and done no trade backs then give me Lotulelei and run out of the draft laughing

     

     



    I think Star would have to really butcher his combine for him to not be picked in the top 3.

     

     



    Hey a person can dream :p

     

    Besides if it happened I wouldn't blaim BB for forgetting about the rest of the draft and just sit in the corner like Gollum strocking a picture of Star saying "my precise, we'z has big plans for you, my precise"

     



    Nice...

     

    do you think there is any meat to this mallet story?

     



    The story does have legs imo. Mallett was considered a top 20 pick and possible a top 10 pick going into the draft if not for his off field concerns. Since being with the Pats those off field concerns have been addressed so some (like the Browns new VP) who were previously enamered with Mallett might see his value as such. Additionally we are dealing with a perfect storm of a large number of teams looking for QB's, a extremely weak FA/trade market, and a very weak draft class. Of course this trade would heavily favor the Pats so I think other things need to be included. Given the desperation of the Browns and the VP's love of Mallett I think a trade of Mallett our 1st and our 3rd for #6 and a 5th would be possible, maybe not likely but possible. If that does happen it has to be before the draft though because really there is only 1 player I see the Pats targetting that early (Star) so chances are he's a top 5 pick and gone before #6. If that happens then the Pats will want to move back into the teens and they won't be able to do that if the trade happens minutes before the pick.

     

     



    Agree, and this supports everythimg I gave read. My guess is given bb and Lombardis relationship, this thing if executed would be well in advance of the draft. Also agree that Star would be the selection, but even if he is gone, bb now has more ammo via picks to trade down and accululated while possibly grabbing another stud in the 10-15 range like a Hankins or Richardson who I like both, or Jordan or even possibly Woerner. Tons of options to both draft and accumulate at the same time. 

     



    in the teens werener doubtful, hankerson, richardson, ansah possible. jordan wildcard

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    Below is my updated Big 32 Board:

    Rd 1

    DT- Jesse Williams

    S- Matt Elam

    OG- Jonathan Cooper

    DT- John Jenkins

    OL- Barrett Jones

     

    Rd 1-2

    CB- Logan Ryan

    WR- DeAndre Hopkins

    CB- Xavier Rhodes

    DT- Sylvester Williams

    CB- Jordan Poyer

     

    Rd 2

    DE/OLB- Tank Carradine

    DE/OLB- Alex Okafor

    DE/OLB- Margus Hunt

    WR- Robert Woods

    C/OG- Travis Frederick

     

    Rd 2-3

    OLB/DE- John Simon

    OLB/DE- Brandon Jenkins

    OT- Kyle Long

    WR/PR- Ace Sanders

    WR- Markus Wheaton

    S- Shawn Williams

     

    Rd 3

    WR- Ryan Swope

    DE/OLB- Lavar Edwards

    CB- Darius Slay

    LB- Kiko Alonso

    S- Zeke Motta

     

    Rd 4-7

    WR- Conner Vernon

    DL- Kapron Lewis-Moore

    TE- Travis Kelce

    DL- Quinton Dial

    S- John Boyett

    WR TJ Moe

     

     
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    are yo seeing these atlanta receivers?

    thatts why i want xavier rhodes cb in draft and big safety in fa or draft

    along with a pass rusher

     
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    mb, re big wr's how many balls have you seen off welkers fingertips or jsut out of his range.

    a WR with a wingspan over a foot greater.woudl make a difference

     
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    we need a pass rusher:

    look at the difference wiht balt o line and pats o line. 

    brady whacked after 3 secs

    we cant sniff flacco

     
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    baltimore has 2 big wrs.

    we have none

     
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    offseason

     

    2 big wr's

    1 big cb

    1 big safety

    1 pass rusher

    1 fast linebacker

    best off coord we can get.

    fire the coachign staff below bb.

    hire a real gm. bb learns to share.

    if that makes bb leave then so be it.

     
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    Back to the drawing board. This team wins in the regular season but cant seal the deal when it matters . Without gronk this offense doesn't scare anyone. Welker can't be the number one option anymore. We lack athleticism on o and can use a talent like a Julio jones. Our defense completely different without Talib . Amazing how drastically it can change. We lack explosion , pass rush and have coverage issues. Can't believe it after we have invested so much.

    guys, I am reeling like most of you. How do we get this team over the 8 year hump? 

     
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    is it time to burn the ships and start over? I am questioning if Brady can get it done, we have the right receivers and a defense that can stop a team when it matters.....

     
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    Back to the drawing board. This team wins in the regular season but cant seal the deal when it matters . Without gronk this offense doesn't scare anyone. Welker can't be the number one option anymore. We lack athleticism on o and can use a talent like a Julio jones. Our defense completely different without Talib . Amazing how drastically it can change. We lack explosion , pass rush and have coverage issues. Can't believe it after we have invested so much.

    guys, I am reeling like most of you. How do we get this team over the 8 year hump? 



    And you think Ravens having Gronk would have scared the ravens?

     
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    is it time to burn the ships and start over? I am questioning if Brady can get it done, we have the right receivers and a defense that can stop a team when it matters.....



    I believe he can, but the team may need to reconsider its philosophies on game planning.

     
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    Back to the drawing board. This team wins in the regular season but cant seal the deal when it matters . Without gronk this offense doesn't scare anyone. Welker can't be the number one option anymore. We lack athleticism on o and can use a talent like a Julio jones. Our defense completely different without Talib . Amazing how drastically it can change. We lack explosion , pass rush and have coverage issues. Can't believe it after we have invested so much.

    guys, I am reeling like most of you. How do we get this team over the 8 year hump? 



    Agreed, he's definitely offseason priority #1 on the defensive side of the ball.

     
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    Back to the drawing board. This team wins in the regular season but cant seal the deal when it matters . Without gronk this offense doesn't scare anyone. Welker can't be the number one option anymore. We lack athleticism on o and can use a talent like a Julio jones. Our defense completely different without Talib . Amazing how drastically it can change. We lack explosion , pass rush and have coverage issues. Can't believe it after we have invested so much.

    guys, I am reeling like most of you. How do we get this team over the 8 year hump? 

     



    Agreed, he's definitely offseason priority #1 on the defensive side of the ball.

     

    Agree, but also a wr needed.


     
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    Back to the drawing board. This team wins in the regular season but cant seal the deal when it matters . Without gronk this offense doesn't scare anyone. Welker can't be the number one option anymore. We lack athleticism on o and can use a talent like a Julio jones. Our defense completely different without Talib . Amazing how drastically it can change. We lack explosion , pass rush and have coverage issues. Can't believe it after we have invested so much.

    guys, I am reeling like most of you. How do we get this team over the 8 year hump? 

     



    Agreed, he's definitely offseason priority #1 on the defensive side of the ball.

     

     

    Agree, but also a wr needed.


     



    Def interested to see how they address the WR position with both WW and Edelman hitting FA.  I suspect that they'll tag WW and resign Edelman, but I'm also a proponent of addressing the position on atleast Day 2 of the draft.

     
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    Guys, I know the draft is important and fun for us to follow but we can't ignore how important Free Agency is.  I just looked at our current 53 man roster.  Of those players only 26 came to us via the draft vs. 27 via free agency.  So, we should spend half of our efforts looking at the potential free agents that could become Patriots next year. 


    The notable non Patriot drafted players currently on the 53 man roster include the following:

    Starters

    Connolly

    Greggory

    Lloyd

    Love

    Ninkovich

    Talib

    Welker

    Wendell

    Woodhead

     

    Non-Starters:

    Hooman

    Koutouvides

    McDonald

    Rivera

    Scott

    Thomas

    White

     

    That is some serious manpower that came to us via trade or free agency.

     



    hi fuacet, ive been discussing fa acquisitons as part of my whole offseason strategy: draft, non pat fa and pat fa's.

     




    I know you have, sorry, I'm way behind on here...

     
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    Does anyone think BB will double dip like he did with TEs and RBs?  I think he might if he can trade back and accumulate more picks.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    Senior Bowl Weigh-in

    http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/01/2013-senior-bowl-weigh-in-results.html

    Notes:

    Margus Hunt  6'8.2    277lbs

    J Jenkins       6"3.7    359lbs

     

     

     

     
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    Part of our problem with the draft is we don't seem to take into consideration durability issues.  Case in point, Ras-I Dowling.  I was screaming, "NO" to the high heavens not to take him because he can't stay healthy, not only do we take him, we take him a round too high at pick 33!!!  In two seasons, he started 2 games, appeared in 7 others and has amassed an eye popping: 10 tackles, 1 pass defended.


    Even Gronk had injury issues.  Great player when healthy but he missed 5 games this year and was out for most of the play-offs the last two years when he was needed most.

    Ron Brace, drafted in the second round.  After an injury plagued stint in NE, he was waived last month - a complete BUST!!

    Terrance Wheatley, ditto

    Chandler Jones - traded up to get him in the first.  Shows tremendous promise but battled injuries in college.  He missed three games earlier this year, and was basically a no-show for a fourth against JAX where he had no stats, then disappeared in the play-offs. 

    Patrick Chung - High 2nd round pick.  He started only half of the regular season games the past two season, hurt for many of them and when healthy is playing behind a SD Charger throw-away.

    Jermaine Cunningham - Another 2nd round wasted pick.  After starting ZERO games in 2011, he showed promise this year until he got suspended for 4 games then was a non-factor last night.

    Brandon Spikes - Yet another 2nd round ???  In 2011, he get suspended 4 games, then hurt for 4 more starting in only 6 games.  He missed two more games this year due to injury.  A good run stuffer but a liability in the passing game.

    Not drafted by us but signed with injury concerns include Talib, Demps, and Ballard.


    In all 14 players ended the season on IR or PUP including main contributers, Gronk, Edelman, Barrett, Dowling, Demps, Fletcher, Stallworth, Ballard and Pryor. 

    I'd like to see us actually draft players who have shown they were durable in college for a change.

     
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    offseason

     

    2 big wr's

    1 big cb

    1 big safety

    1 pass rusher

    1 fast linebacker

    best off coord we can get.

    fire the coachign staff below bb.

    hire a real gm. bb learns to share.

    if that makes bb leave then so be it.




    I agree with your player needs exactly but not sure I agree McDaniel's should be fired.  He led the #1 Offense that outscored the #2 offense by 100 points.  He brought back a credible running game.  But, he called a poor game against the Ravens, either he or BB.  We were way to conservative on those 4th and makeable distances inside the Raven's 35.  But some of this is Brady.  Brady just does not play well against the Ravens.  He plays the worst against them.


    Thankfully Ray is gone and I hope Ed too.  But the Ravens still have a load D. 

     
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    Mb or whoever,

    What is the deal with Kenneth Tate, LB Maryland?  Remember a couple of years ago when he was a S a lot of us thought top 10 pick.  Then he transitioned to OLB.  He's listed at 6-4, 220.  I remember some vicious hits he got on the QB on safety blitzes.  Might he be able to switch back to strong safety or play nickel LB?  Right now it's 50/50 if this kid even gets drafted.

     
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