***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    I was just going through my old notes and came across a name I circled but never really followed. A guy by the name Daniel McCullers out of Tenn. He's a 6'8" 360lb DT which average speed for his size. I notice I put down raw as a note. Given his size that's a lot of man, did anyone keep tabs on him to see if he improved through the year?




    Didn't keep up but I know he is going back to school.

     
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    I was just going through my old notes and came across a name I circled but never really followed. A guy by the name Daniel McCullers out of Tenn. He's a 6'8" 360lb DT which average speed for his size. I notice I put down raw as a note. Given his size that's a lot of man, did anyone keep tabs on him to see if he improved through the year?

    Didn't keep up but I know he is going back to school.



    He is going back to school.

    Have you seen this kid? Holy cow. He's not 360 lbs. John Jenkins is 360 lbs. This kid looks more like 450 lbs. The only thing in question is if he has legs that can push all that weight plus the OLman. He is definitely huge, literally. 

     
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    Does anyone think BB will double dip like he did with TEs and RBs?  I think he might if he can trade back and accumulate more picks.

     




    For which position?

     

     



    Sorry, MB   I was thinking WR.  He surprised us in the past with TEs and RBs.  Why not?  2nd and 7th or trade back. I think this only happens if Welker is not back.

     

     



    I hate the notion of doubling down on O though. We've gone O crazy since the SB D's starting to retire and it has gotten us nothing. I think this D is close, real close to being like it was pre-07' and are just a couple pieces away. If we were to double down I'd like to double down on the DL or with the CB's. Frankly I think a combo of Rhodes, McFadden/Mathieu or a combo of Jenkins/S. Williams, Hunt/Sutton would have a greater impact then adding two WRs

     



    I'm with you in that I'm hoping to see them address the Defense early in this draft, whether it be a DT or DB or edge player, etc... though I think a potential #1 type WR at least has to be considered.  If they were to double down, I would think it would be Day 2/Day 3, etc.

    One thing that was evident to me on Sunday was their lack of depth at the DT position... once Love went down, they had only Deaderick to roll with and if I remember correctly (had a few drinks),  on one drive they were using Deaderick and Cunningham only (or atleast for a good portion of it), with Wilfork on the sideline (was he injured)?  I'm still of he belief that games are won upfront and this is why I think DT will be the pick, whether it be Jesse Williams, John Jenkins or Sylvester Williams etc... I'd then be looking DB (Elam/Rhodes/Ryan) followed by OL (Cooper/Jones) / WR (Hopkins).  Cooper could be the best player left on the board, regardless of position which makes him intriguing... kid will be an All Pro, IMO.

     
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    Damn, McCullers was an interesting prospect but going back was a good choice on his part. He is raw and if he can develop some moves and round off some rough edges he could push for a 1st round selection the year after

     
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    I'm with you in that I'm hoping to see them address the Defense early in this draft, whether it be a DT or DB or edge player, etc... though I think a potential#1 type WR at least has to be considered.  If they were to double down, I would think it would be Day 2/Day 3, etc.

     

    One thing that was evident to me on Sunday was their lack of depth at the DT position... once Love went down, they had only Deaderick to roll with and if I remember correctly (had a few drinks),  on one drive they were using Deaderick and Cunningham only (or atleast for a good portion of it), with Wilfork on the sideline (was he injured)?  I'm still of he belief that games are won upfront and this is why I think DT will be the pick, whether it be Jesse Williams, John Jenkins or Sylvester Williams etc... I'd then be looking DB (Elam/Rhodes/Ryan) followed by OL (Cooper/Jones) / WR (Hopkins).  Cooper could be the best player left on the board, regardless of position which makes him intriguing... kid will be an All Pro, IMO.



    That is the part I really get worried about. This team is one injury away (Wilfork) from being an 8-8 season. Even without Talib, this team can make adjustments to win 11 maybe 12. No adjustment can overcome an injured VW.

     

     
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    Love and deaderick are decent depth players....not good enough to start on ouR DL. I am with you PatsEng on the DT choices. I think we would need to move up in round 2 to have a chance at Rhodes, but I like him if we are adding depth to the defensive backfield. A lot depends upon Talib. We need to resign him. Finding a starting caliber cb is going to be hard to do, and I want a guy like Talib back there that has size, experience and an edge. 

    Personally, I would like to see some more speed at lb, but lower on my priority list. 

    Given we were successful converting mccourty to safety, what are the chances we do the same with Arrington or dowling? Arrington plays a physical game, and he can blitz, play in the box, and is a solid tackler. Not as fast as mccourty but maybe he plays best with the ball in front of him. 

     
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    Love and deaderick are decent depth players....not good enough to start on ouR DL. I am with you PatsEng on the DT choices. I think we would need to move up in round 2 to have a chance at Rhodes, but I like him if we are adding depth to the defensive backfield. A lot depends upon Talib. We need to resign him. Finding a starting caliber cb is going to be hard to do, and I want a guy like Talib back there that has size, experience and an edge. 

    Personally, I would like to see some more speed at lb, but lower on my priority list. 

    Given we were successful converting mccourty to safety, what are the chances we do the same with Arrington or dowling? Arrington plays a physical game, and he can blitz, play in the box, and is a solid tackler. Not as fast as mccourty but maybe he plays best with the ball in front of him. 



    Ras has the better chance of converting imo. Just a better player at breaking down plays. Arrington I could let go and not even think about it. His time here is marked by lucky games. Sometimes he looks like a starter and others completely lost. He's made the same mistakes over and over again while getting the same essential production down the middle. I'm not even sure I'd want him as a 3rd CB if there is a better option available

     
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    Nice upside pickup today for BB/NC, 6-5 300 DE Armond Armstead... I remember posting about this kid pre-draft last year... his medicals must've been awful due to the hear issue, because this kid is a very good package of size/length/athleticism... believe I remember him rushing out off the edge out of a 2-point stance while at SC.

    Very good low rish, high upside pickup.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/

     
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    Nice upside pickup today for BB/NC, 6-5 300 DE Armond Armstead... I remember posting about this kid pre-draft last year... his medicals must've been awful due to the hear issue, because this kid is a very good package of size/length/athleticism... believe I remember him rushing out off the edge out of a 2-point stance while at SC.

    Very good low rish, high upside pickup.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/



    I see him as a Pryor replacement. He had injury issues before the heart attack and he most likely will continue with injury issues, but hopefully less then Pryor. However, I remember watching him and many scouting reports saying he never lived up to his potential and rarely gave full effort. Kind of an ego blue chipper that never took full advantage of his natural abilities. If he's over t great but that's still a concern given that teams had all season to sign him and they didn't. Either way he could be anything from a free 2nd round pick up (similar to Demps) or a JAG camp body. Either way I wouldn't let him effect any plans on the DL this offseason and would only count him as a body until he proves he deserves a spot

     
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    Armstead is not the DT I am hoping they put next to VW. That said, the video shows pretty good moves at DE. At 295 lbs, he could cause a lot of headache for any OL. 

    I still want the upgrade in the middle.

     
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    Love and deaderick are decent depth players....not good enough to start on ouR DL. I am with you PatsEng on the DT choices. I think we would need to move up in round 2 to have a chance at Rhodes, but I like him if we are adding depth to the defensive backfield. A lot depends upon Talib. We need to resign him. Finding a starting caliber cb is going to be hard to do, and I want a guy like Talib back there that has size, experience and an edge. 

    Personally, I would like to see some more speed at lb, but lower on my priority list. 

    Given we were successful converting mccourty to safety, what are the chances we do the same with Arrington or dowling? Arrington plays a physical game, and he can blitz, play in the box, and is a solid tackler. Not as fast as mccourty but maybe he plays best with the ball in front of him. 

     



    Ras has the better chance of converting imo. Just a better player at breaking down plays. Arrington I could let go and not even think about it. His time here is marked by lucky games. Sometimes he looks like a starter and others completely lost. He's made the same mistakes over and over again while getting the same essential production down the middle. I'm not even sure I'd want him as a 3rd CB if there is a better option available

     



    This will be a make or break offseason for a lot of pats players. Arrington included. I don't think he is horrible, just horrible on the outside and not a starting ca liber cb...but he is not a bad 4th option, solely a slot cover guy, and decent on ST's. he has some value. Sadly, we probably need 2 good cb's if Talib isn't resigned and dowling doesn't stay healthy and progress. The problem is we won't know on dowling until after the draft and maybe not until the start of the season. 

     
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    Love and deaderick are decent depth players....not good enough to start on ouR DL. I am with you PatsEng on the DT choices. I think we would need to move up in round 2 to have a chance at Rhodes, but I like him if we are adding depth to the defensive backfield. A lot depends upon Talib. We need to resign him. Finding a starting caliber cb is going to be hard to do, and I want a guy like Talib back there that has size, experience and an edge. 

    Personally, I would like to see some more speed at lb, but lower on my priority list. 

    Given we were successful converting mccourty to safety, what are the chances we do the same with Arrington or dowling? Arrington plays a physical game, and he can blitz, play in the box, and is a solid tackler. Not as fast as mccourty but maybe he plays best with the ball in front of him. 

     



    Ras has the better chance of converting imo. Just a better player at breaking down plays. Arrington I could let go and not even think about it. His time here is marked by lucky games. Sometimes he looks like a starter and others completely lost. He's made the same mistakes over and over again while getting the same essential production down the middle. I'm not even sure I'd want him as a 3rd CB if there is a better option available

     

     



    This will be a make or break offseason for a lot of pats players. Arrington included. I don't think he is horrible, just horrible on the outside and not a starting ca liber cb...but he is not a bad 4th option, solely a slot cover guy, and decent on ST's. he has some value. Sadly, we probably need 2 good cb's if Talib isn't resigned and dowling doesn't stay healthy and progress. The problem is we won't know on dowling until after the draft and maybe not until the start of the season. 

     



    Well I'm looking at Ras at the 4th option at this point which would push Arrington to the 5th spot as I don't want him to be the primary backup. Dennard has a good handle as the #2 CB which leaves spots open in the #1 and #3 CB roles. Ideally I'd like to resign Talib for the #1 spot and draft a kid in the 2nd/3rd and put him into that slot #3 role where there is less pressure. If Ras stays healthy he becomes the primary backup to Talib and Dennard, if not then the corner you draft takes on that role. But, I don't want to see Arrington on the outside and I think he'll get a halfway decent contract from someone, more than what I'd want to pay for a 5th CB. Though, statiscally this year Arrington ranked in the bottom 5% of the league for CB's so who knows maybe he'll take a min contract which at that point I'd take him back as the #5 CB

     
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    Love and deaderick are decent depth players....not good enough to start on ouR DL. I am with you PatsEng on the DT choices. I think we would need to move up in round 2 to have a chance at Rhodes, but I like him if we are adding depth to the defensive backfield. A lot depends upon Talib. We need to resign him. Finding a starting caliber cb is going to be hard to do, and I want a guy like Talib back there that has size, experience and an edge. 

    Personally, I would like to see some more speed at lb, but lower on my priority list. 

    Given we were successful converting mccourty to safety, what are the chances we do the same with Arrington or dowling? Arrington plays a physical game, and he can blitz, play in the box, and is a solid tackler. Not as fast as mccourty but maybe he plays best with the ball in front of him. 

     



    Ras has the better chance of converting imo. Just a better player at breaking down plays. Arrington I could let go and not even think about it. His time here is marked by lucky games. Sometimes he looks like a starter and others completely lost. He's made the same mistakes over and over again while getting the same essential production down the middle. I'm not even sure I'd want him as a 3rd CB if there is a better option available

     

     



    This will be a make or break offseason for a lot of pats players. Arrington included. I don't think he is horrible, just horrible on the outside and not a starting ca liber cb...but he is not a bad 4th option, solely a slot cover guy, and decent on ST's. he has some value. Sadly, we probably need 2 good cb's if Talib isn't resigned and dowling doesn't stay healthy and progress. The problem is we won't know on dowling until after the draft and maybe not until the start of the season. 

     

     



    Well I'm looking at Ras at the 4th option at this point which would push Arrington to the 5th spot as I don't want him to be the primary backup. Dennard has a good handle as the #2 CB which leaves spots open in the #1 and #3 CB roles. Ideally I'd like to resign Talib for the #1 spot and draft a kid in the 2nd/3rd and put him into that slot #3 role where there is less pressure. If Ras stays healthy he becomes the primary backup to Talib and Dennard, if not then the corner you draft takes on that role. But, I don't want to see Arrington on the outside and I think he'll get a halfway decent contract from someone, more than what I'd want to pay for a 5th CB. Though, statiscally this year Arrington ranked in the bottom 5% of the league for CB's so who knows maybe he'll take a min contract which at that point I'd take him back as the #5 CB

     



    I agree. 

    1.  They need to keep Talib.

    2.  Dennard looks to be developing into a solid #2, hope the sophomore decline doesn't hit him as well.

    3.  I'd prefer they address the offseason as if Ras-I is not on the roster, kid just can't be counted on to stay healthy.

    4.  Aaringon should at best be a reserve/slot/dime CB.

    5.  Cole should never see the field as a CB.

    6.  They need to bring in at least one CB this offseason, preferably a kid that projects as a Top 3 CB on their team... Banks/Ryan/Rhodes/Poyer/Slay/Hyde/McFadden/Wilson/Simon/Hawthorne/Melvin White/Jamar Taylor/Robert Alford/Terrence Brown, etc... this class looks deep with CB talent.

     
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    PatsEng..

    do you put Arrington over cole? I think Arrington has more st value, but I think both are decent in the slot. 

    i am going to make some assumptions On defense 

    1. Assuming they resign talib

    cb...Talib, Dennard, (draft Poyer, round 2), Ras, Arrington, cole ,,...in that order 

    dl...Vince, (draft kawann short or Sheldon Richardson round 1), jones, nink 

    lb...Hightower, spikes, mayo, fletcher, Wilson on passing downs

    safety....mccourty, (get Byrd, delmas or goldson), Wilson, (draft ti McDonald round 3)

    2. Assuming they don't resign talib

    cb...Dennard (draft Rhodes round 1), Ras, Arrington, cole, Williams ...in that order. They could also go the FA route and grab grimes, cromartie from Philly ..but if you do that , why not just sign Talib?

    DL...Vince, (draft Jesse Williams round 2), jones, nink

    others same as above...

     

    offense....they don't resign welker...

    rb...Ridley, Vereen, bolden, demps (let woody walk unless fair money signing)

    wr...Bowe/Wallace/sign FA, Lloyd, Hern, Edelman, (sign another FA like Gibson or ginn to add depth and return kicks)...demps can also or Vereen on punts in place of Wes.

    te...Gronk, Ballard, Hooman (fells walks), Hern 

    ol...same, vollmer resigned

     
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    Above post for everyone...not just PatsEng...thanks...lifer

     
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    PatsEng..

    do you put Arrington over cole? I think Arrington has more st value, but I think both are decent in the slot. 

    i am going to make some assumptions On defense 

    1. Assuming they resign talib

    cb...Talib, Dennard, (draft Poyer, round 2), Ras, Arrington, cole ,,...in that order 

    Yeah I'd agree I'd put them in that order but it depends what Arrington commands on the market. Anything more then min contract and I don't think there is a huge difference in Cole vs Arrington for that 5th spot

    dl...Vince, (draft kawann short or Sheldon Richardson round 1), jones, nink 

    Not sure I like the picks but I like the idea

    lb...Hightower, spikes, mayo, fletcher, Wilson on passing downs

    I'm not sure Fletcher can last a season so I'd be looking for a replacement but I like using Wilson as the hybrid SS/LB on passing downs

    safety....mccourty, (get Byrd, delmas or goldson), Wilson, (draft ti McDonald round 3)

    Honestly I don't think the FA's this year are going to be worth what they command on the market. Additionally I don't want to draft a S just to draft a S and that's what I think the McDonald pick would end up being in the end. I'd be happy with McCourty, Gregory, Ebner, Wilson provided they fix the pass rush and fix the CB's

    2. Assuming they don't resign talib

    cb...Dennard (draft Rhodes round 1), Ras, Arrington, cole, Williams ...in that order. They could also go the FA route and grab grimes, cromartie from Philly ..but if you do that , why not just sign Talib?

    If they don't resign Talib then I agree they have to get a CB early and Rhodes seems like the natural pick. However I don't think going into a season with Rhodes and Dennard followed by that list of players is any better then what we had before Talib. I think one way or another they have to find a #3 or better CB on the FA market

    DL...Vince, (draft Jesse Williams round 2), jones, nink

    J Williams could be a good pick but he's still raw. I don't think I'd be comfortable starting him with the above secondary. If the above secondary is the case I'd rather they spend some cash for Melton or Starks and let Williams develop

    others same as above...

     

    offense....they don't resign welker...

    rb...Ridley, Vereen, bolden, demps (let woody walk unless fair money signing)

    Woodhead isn't going anyway because I don't think he'll command anymore than $1-2mil per year and his value to this team on 3rd downs was appearent even in the Ravens game. Bolden though could be the odd man out. Since coming off of suspension he was rarely used and when he was to mop up he didn't have the same explosiveness or strength as before the suspension. 

    wr...Bowe/Wallace/sign FA, Lloyd, Hern, Edelman, (sign another FA like Gibson or ginn to add depth and return kicks)...demps can also or Vereen on punts in place of Wes.

    No on Wallace. He's going to command more money than Welker and he's an unknown in this system. I'd rather spend less or just resign Welker. I like adding Bowe though or replacing Welker with Amendola or Heartline

    te...Gronk, Ballard, Hooman (fells walks), Hern 

    Agree I think Fells is odd man out here

    ol...same, vollmer resigned

    I'd like to add depth but unless and upgrade falls into their laps in FA I think the starters are good to go




     
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    A Safety posibility mid-round: Senior Bowl Notes

    Florida International’s Jonathan Cyprien continues to impress. Even though he’s big and muscled up, his hips are loose and his ankle flexion is outstanding. He gets from single high position to the sideline faster than any safety here on either squad, but he’s not out of control when doing so

     

    In line drills, Texas defensive end Alex Okafor continued his strong week.  At one point he got into Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher’s chest and drove him back several yards, drawing “ooohs” from onlookers.  Later, Fisher had to tackle Okafor to keep him from getting by.  Okafor also proved to be a nightmare matchup for Wisconsin tackle Ricky Wagner.  In fact, there hasn’t been a lineman down here who has been able to handle Okafor consistently.  

     
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    A Safety posibility mid-round: Senior Bowl Notes

    Florida International’s Jonathan Cyprien continues to impress. Even though he’s big and muscled up, his hips are loose and his ankle flexion is outstanding. He gets from single high position to the sideline faster than any safety here on either squad, but he’s not out of control when doing so

     

    In line drills, Texas defensive end Alex Okafor continued his strong week.  At one point he got into Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher’s chest and drove him back several yards, drawing “ooohs” from onlookers.  Later, Fisher had to tackle Okafor to keep him from getting by.  Okafor also proved to be a nightmare matchup for Wisconsin tackle Ricky Wagner.  In fact, there hasn’t been a lineman down here who has been able to handle Okafor consistently.  



    Watched some tape earlier on Cyprien... good size, physical, aggressive, has some instincts and ball skills, moves well... agree, solid mid-round option.

     
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    Do we have enough under the cap to franchise welker and reasonably sign Talib At The same time? What about adding a Melton or Starks to that list as well? Brady, mayo, vw restructure contracts? 

     
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    Hey Guys,

    Posted on this thread at times in the past, but I am going to try and make an effort this year to post more frequently, because I like what you guys have to say here, and I am a close follower of the draft myself. Been keeping up with the thread a bit this year, but will definitely be looking at everything from here on out.

     

     
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    Do we have enough under the cap to franchise welker and reasonably sign Talib At The same time? What about adding a Melton or Starks to that list as well? Brady, mayo, vw restructure contracts? 




    BB mentioned the other day in his presser that "cap space" is a misleading term, which is something I've thought for a while. Sure there is a point where you can mismanage cap and get into a mess like the Jets are in, but I feel like for a team as well run as the Pats are, they have tons of flexibility to manuever and do what they want. Whether that is restructuring current contracts, or getting creative with the FA that you bring in with regards to how you structure the contract.

     

    My sense though from things I've read though, is that if Welker is franchised it will make it tough to sign Talib and others on top of that without the Pats eventually coming to a long term deal with Welker. A franchise tag would carry 11+M salary as well as cap hit, where as if you sign him to a long term deal, the hit against the cap can be manipulated.

     

    I really hope they can work out a long term deal with Welker if that is indeed their plan, which will then provide flexibility to hopefully lock up Talib, Vollmer, as well as potentially Edelman/Woody, and maybe a FA or two.

     
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    Do we have enough under the cap to franchise welker and reasonably sign Talib At The same time? What about adding a Melton or Starks to that list as well? Brady, mayo, vw restructure contracts? 




    I'd also be interested in Baltimore's LB Dannell Ellerbe and OLB/DE Paul Kruger.

     
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    Do we have enough under the cap to franchise welker and reasonably sign Talib At The same time? What about adding a Melton or Starks to that list as well? Brady, mayo, vw restructure contracts? 



    Clayton says 18 Mil under other sites 

    say 35 mil under. BB could do some 

    damage. 

    I like 5/ 50 for Anthony Spenser.

    2/12 Ed Reed.

    4/32 Dwayne Bowe.

    Also keep inminds that unless Flaco

    signs Paul Kruger will be available.

     

     
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    Here are a few FA that I'd like for us to take a look at in addition to hopefully resigning Welker/Talib/Vollmer, etc.

     

    WR Brian Hartline, MIA - I don't think really think we nessacarily need a 6'3" burner on the outside. Our offense isn't really made for that. What we need is someone who can consistently win outside the numbers with precise routes but also has the ability to threaten deep, and create after the catch. Brandon Lloyd was miscast as a deep threat, he isn't that. He is a glorified possession WR who can never create after the catch because he is always on the ground. Hartline isn't a burner, but he runs good routes and can win outside the numbers. We aren't getting a Bowe/Wallace type, Hartline would be a good potential add.

     

    DT Henry Melton, CHI or DT Randy Starks, MIA - Both these guys could command big money but I think would fill a huge hole, but it remains to be seen if we would spend the money to get one of them. They are both similar, but MUCH better players compared to someone like Jonathan Fanene who we tried to get for that penetrating DT role last offseason. I really feel like Armond Armstead could make an impact, for a fraction of the cost. But I'd still like to see them take a look at these guys.

     

    LB Paul Kruger, BAL - He may price himself out of our price range, but for reasons mentioned above, he'd be someone to take a look at.

     

    LB Dannell Ellerbe, BAL - Similar to Kruger in the fact that he may be priced out of our price range, but Ellerbe could be another nice add to our D. Can he be a cover LB we need? That I am not so sure of, but he is a good player.

     

    FS Ed Reed, BAL - We all know BB has loved him for a long time. If he finally gets to the open market, does BB take a dip? I'd love it. Would add instant credibility, leadership, and a veteran on the backend to go along with McCourty. Reed has lost a step for sure, but is still an instinctual player who can make players.

     

     

    Just some of the guys that I like. Most have been mentioned at some point on the thread already, but I think all could be valuable additions to the team.

     

     
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