***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Barkevious Mingo-DE...

    Justin Hunter-WR

    Montee Ball-RB..Or-Spencer Ware..

    Jarvis Jones-OLB.

    *Eric Reid-FS..

    *Tyrann Mathieu-Kick And Punt Return..?

    My Likes.....

     



    Of that list, Ware, Reid, Hunter & Mathieu (if he's there late) are the most likely to end up in Foxboro.  Jones and Mingo in particular won't be available when NE selects and I don't see them touching a RB not named Eddie Lacy anywhere in the Top 64... though possible late in the draft (Ware).

     

     



    I agree on us not likely taking a RB but what if we lost Woodhead?  Vereen/Demps could likely step in but what if Lattimore is there at the back of the 3rd?  He claims he is making a full recovery.  A first round talent for a late third would seem to be good value.  Not advocating, just saying he would be tempting.

     




    I agree that he's an intriguing upside/value option.

     
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    In 2013, the Patriots will play each of the other AFC East rivals twice and will play one game against each of the AFC North and NFC south teams. As the first-place team in the AFC East, the Patriots will play the first-place teams of the AFC South (Houston) and the AFC West (Denver).

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    How would this be?

    Trade pick #29 & our 7th to AZ for their 2nd (38) 4th (100) & 5th.  **AZ might want to move into the 1st round to grab a guy like Barkley before KC/Jax/NYJ can get him early on Day 2.**late

    38)  DeAndre Hopkins   WR   Clem

    59)  Desmond Trufant  CB  UW

    96)  TJ McDonald  FS  USC

    100)  Kiko Alonso  ILB  Oregon

    5th (From AZ) Marquise Goodwin  WR  Texas

    6th (projected Comp pick)  Josh Boyd  DT  Miss. St.

    7th  Dustin Hopkins  K  FSU

     



    That'd be a solid haul, IMO.. the only pick that I don't like is TJ McDonald... looks like the typical overrated SC kid... replace him with Johnathan Cyprien and I'm happy!

     




    Fair enough.  I'd rather have Cyprien than TJ too, but I think Cyp has upped his stock enough that he would be long gone.  McDonald definitally has "boom or bust" written all over him.  The talent is there to be a very good player if he can put it together.  Big IF, I know.  After reviewing my mock, I might switch it up and take Cyprien with #59 and then go best available CB with #96.  Maybe I'll do another one later.

     
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    In 2013, the Patriots will play each of the other AFC East rivals twice and will play one game against each of the AFC North and NFC south teams. As the first-place team in the AFC East, the Patriots will play the first-place teams of the AFC South (Houston) and the AFC West (Denver).

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    TEAM W L Pct. Atlanta Falcons 13 3 .813 Houston Texans 12 4 .750 Baltimore Ravens 10 6 .625 Cincinnati Bengals 10 6 .625 Miami Dolphins 7 9 .438 Carolina Panthers 7 9 .438 New York Jets 6 10 .375 Buffalo Bills 5 11 .313




    Good stuff, Faucet.  Looks to me like a reasonable schedule, maybe a little tougher than average.  I like it.  It NE can win the division again, they should be well tested going into the playoffs.  Like this year, Den, Balt, and Hou will be huge games for seeding purposes.  I love having Denver at home.

     
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    How would this be?

    Trade pick #29 & our 7th to AZ for their 2nd (38) 4th (100) & 5th.  **AZ might want to move into the 1st round to grab a guy like Barkley before KC/Jax/NYJ can get him early on Day 2.**late

    38)  DeAndre Hopkins   WR   Clem

    59)  Desmond Trufant  CB  UW

    96)  TJ McDonald  FS  USC

    100)  Kiko Alonso  ILB  Oregon

    5th (From AZ) Marquise Goodwin  WR  Texas

    6th (projected Comp pick)  Josh Boyd  DT  Miss. St.

    7th  Dustin Hopkins  K  FSU

     



    That'd be a solid haul, IMO.. the only pick that I don't like is TJ McDonald... looks like the typical overrated SC kid... replace him with Johnathan Cyprien and I'm happy!

     

     




     

    Fair enough.  I'd rather have Cyprien than TJ too, but I think Cyp has upped his stock enough that he would be long gone.  McDonald definitally has "boom or bust" written all over him.  The talent is there to be a very good player if he can put it together.  Big IF, I know.  After reviewing my mock, I might switch it up and take Cyprien with #59 and then go best available CB with #96.  Maybe I'll do another one later.



    You could be right... I'm adding Cyp to my board as a Rd 2/3 kid... so end of Rd 3 might not be realistic... don't think he's a reach at the end of Rd 2 either. 

     
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    I've read several reports that say UCLA DE Datone Jones (6'4"  280) was the best player in Mobile this week.  Sounds like his strength/athleticism were off the charts, and he showed some very good pass rush ability and ability to stop the run.  Only problem for him is that many teams see him as a "tweener".  However, nepatriotsdraft thinks he would fit perfectly in our hybrid defensive scheme.  What do you think about NE spending an early pick on this guy?

     
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    I know Wendell had a nice year but did you guys get to see Brian Schwenke practice this week?  He anchored well against the big stud DTs.  Like Wendell I saw him in at OG during the game too.  Mankins is starting to get hurt now and Connolly usually misses a few games a year.  If we can gain a 4th, he would be a nice pick.




    Solid interior OL prospect... I like Kent State OG Brian Winters too.

     

     
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    I've read several reports that say UCLA DE Datone Jones (6'4"  280) was the best player in Mobile this week.  Sounds like his strength/athleticism were off the charts, and he showed some very good pass rush ability and ability to stop the run.  Only problem for him is that many teams see him as a "tweener".  However, nepatriotsdraft thinks he would fit perfectly in our hybrid defensive scheme.  What do you think about NE spending an early pick on this guy?




    I think he's more hybrid DE/DT than DE/OLB, so it's a matter of what BB is looking for.  He used Cunningham in that hybrid DE/DT roll this year, so maybe that's a direction that he could be looking to go.

     
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    He also used Francis in that capacity.

     
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    Another kid that made money was Zaviar Gooden. Seems like a perfect fit for Carrolls Hawks but if, and a huge if, he's around in the 2nd, we could sure use his speed in our web footed LB core......I think Pitta just caught another pass over the middle........



    lh,
    Maybe it was you, but another poster had mentioned him previously around the topic of hybrid LB/S types.  His INT yesterday was a gift, but the kid looks quick, fast and athletic certainly has the NFL body type... kid was jacked up!  He's in the discussion for that role for sure... though I'd expect base 43 teams to be all over him.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    How would this be?

    Trade pick #29 & our 7th to AZ for their 2nd (38) 4th (100) & 5th.  **AZ might want to move into the 1st round to grab a guy like Barkley before KC/Jax/NYJ can get him early on Day 2.**late

    38)  DeAndre Hopkins   WR   Clem

    59)  Desmond Trufant  CB  UW

    96)  TJ McDonald  FS  USC

    100)  Kiko Alonso  ILB  Oregon

    5th (From AZ) Marquise Goodwin  WR  Texas

    6th (projected Comp pick)  Josh Boyd  DT  Miss. St.

    7th  Dustin Hopkins  K  FSU



    need a stud offensive lineman with a mean streak in there somewhere.

     
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    I like this better:

    Trade #29 & our 7th to Arizona for #38; #100 (4th) & their 5th.

    #38 (from AZ)  DeAndre Hopkins  WR  Clem

    Hopkins is a terrific WR.  Nice size at 6'1", plenty of speed, and a great route runner.  We need a difference-maker on the outside, and I think Hopkins could be the guy.

    #59  Jonathan Cyprien  S  Fla Int'l

    Had a great showing Senior Bowl week.  Fills a huge need.

     

    #91  Tyrann Mathieu  CB   LSU

    If we keep Talib and have Talib/Dennard on the outside, Mathieu could be a terrific slot CB in Nickle for us if Arrington walks.  Plenty of personnal issues and plenty of risk, but worth it late 3rd round.

    #100 (from AZ) Kiko Alonso  ILB  Oregon

    Very good in coverage.  Enough said.

    5th (from AZ)  WR  Marquise Goodwin  Texas

    This guy can seriously "take the top off of the defense."  Is is redundant to wand both him and Demps?  Maybe.  But think of the possibilities...

     

    6th (projected Comp pick)  DT  Josh Boyd  Miss St.

    Just a great value here. 

    7th  (from TB)  Dustin Hopkins K  FSU

    Gotskowski is commanding a significant salary next year and wasn't great last season.  Time to at least bring in some quality competition.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Another kid that made money was Zaviar Gooden. Seems like a perfect fit for Carrolls Hawks but if, and a huge if, he's around in the 2nd, we could sure use his speed in our web footed LB core......I think Pitta just caught another pass over the middle........

     



    lh,
    Maybe it was you, but another poster had mentioned him previously around the topic of hybrid LB/S types.  His INT yesterday was a gift, but the kid looks quick, fast and athletic certainly has the NFL body type... kid was jacked up!  He's in the discussion for that role for sure... though I'd expect base 43 teams to be all over him.

     



    MB, I mentioned him earlier.  People are saying he will run below  a 4.5 forty.  I see him as that OLB/SS type.  Has S experience and RB experience in high school. He was team captain also. I think 4-3 teams with LB needs will be all over him.

     
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    A D-line heavy mock with trade down for extra pick

     

    38

    Datone Jones

    DE

    59

    *Da'Rick Rogers

    WR

    69

    Phillip Thomas

    FS

    91

    Brandon Williams

    DT

    202

    Cooper Taylor

    SS

    219

     

    Kapron Lewis-Moore

    DT

             

     

    A secondary heavy mock with trade down for extra pick

     

    38

    *Eric Reid

    FS

    59

    *Logan Ryan

    CB

    69

     

    Brandon Jenkins

    OLB

    91

    *Kwame Geathers

    DT

    202

    Corey Fuller

    WR

    219

     

    Cooper Taylor

    SS

                         
     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Another kid that made money was Zaviar Gooden. Seems like a perfect fit for Carrolls Hawks but if, and a huge if, he's around in the 2nd, we could sure use his speed in our web footed LB core......I think Pitta just caught another pass over the middle........

     



    lh,
    Maybe it was you, but another poster had mentioned him previously around the topic of hybrid LB/S types.  His INT yesterday was a gift, but the kid looks quick, fast and athletic certainly has the NFL body type... kid was jacked up!  He's in the discussion for that role for sure... though I'd expect base 43 teams to be all over him.

     

     


    They say he isnt overly physical but I put him in with a pack of dogs and he might learn to bite

     




    I'd prefer that they target a natural born killer (i.e. Cyprien) or two on defense... def seem to be lacking that apsect for the most part.

     
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    How would this be?

    Trade pick #29 & our 7th to AZ for their 2nd (38) 4th (100) & 5th.  **AZ might want to move into the 1st round to grab a guy like Barkley before KC/Jax/NYJ can get him early on Day 2.**late

    38)  DeAndre Hopkins   WR   Clem

    59)  Desmond Trufant  CB  UW

    96)  TJ McDonald  FS  USC

    100)  Kiko Alonso  ILB  Oregon

    5th (From AZ) Marquise Goodwin  WR  Texas

    6th (projected Comp pick)  Josh Boyd  DT  Miss. St.

    7th  Dustin Hopkins  K  FSU

     



    need a stud offensive lineman with a mean streak in there somewhere.

     



    Kent State OG Brian Winters fits that profile and is prob a Day 2 kid.

     
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    A D-line heavy mock with trade down for extra pick

     

     

     

    38

    Datone Jones

    DE

    59

    *Da'Rick Rogers

    WR

    69

    Phillip Thomas

    FS

    91

    Brandon Williams

    DT

    202

    Cooper Taylor

    SS

    219

     

    Kapron Lewis-Moore

    DT

             

     

    A secondary heavy mock with trade down for extra pick

     

     

     

    38

    *Eric Reid

    FS

    59

    *Logan Ryan

    CB

    69

     

    Brandon Jenkins

    OLB

    91

    *Kwame Geathers

    DT

    202

    Corey Fuller

    WR

    219

     

    Cooper Taylor

    SS

                         




    I'd prefer the latter.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

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    A D-line heavy mock with trade down for extra pick

     

     

     

    38

    Datone Jones

    DE

    59

    *Da'Rick Rogers

    WR

    69

    Phillip Thomas

    FS

    91

    Brandon Williams

    DT

    202

    Cooper Taylor

    SS

    219

     

    Kapron Lewis-Moore

    DT

             

     

    A secondary heavy mock with trade down for extra pick

     

     

     

    38

    *Eric Reid

    FS

    59

    *Logan Ryan

    CB

    69

     

    Brandon Jenkins

    OLB

    91

    *Kwame Geathers

    DT

    202

    Corey Fuller

    WR

    219

     

    Cooper Taylor

    SS

                         




    I'd prefer the latter.

     




    Eric Reed.....

     

    http://youtu.be/Atr2ckkdzkc

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    In response to 56redsox's comment:

    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

     

    In response to jjdbrasil's comment:

     

    A D-line heavy mock with trade down for extra pick

     

     

     

    38

    Datone Jones

    DE

    59

    *Da'Rick Rogers

    WR

    69

    Phillip Thomas

    FS

    91

    Brandon Williams

    DT

    202

    Cooper Taylor

    SS

    219

     

    Kapron Lewis-Moore

    DT

             

     

    A secondary heavy mock with trade down for extra pick

     

     

     

    38

    *Eric Reid

    FS

    59

    *Logan Ryan

    CB

    69

     

    Brandon Jenkins

    OLB

    91

    *Kwame Geathers

    DT

    202

    Corey Fuller

    WR

    219

     

    Cooper Taylor

    SS

                         




    I'd prefer the latter.

     

     




    Eric Reed.....

     

     

    http://youtu.be/Atr2ckkdzkc



    Kid can bring it, no doubt... just wish he was more consistent with is angles and as a tackler. 

     
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    In 2013, the Patriots will play each of the other AFC East rivals twice and will play one game against each of the AFC North and NFC south teams. As the first-place team in the AFC East, the Patriots will play the first-place teams of the AFC South (Houston) and the AFC West (Denver).

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    TEAM W L Pct.Denver Broncos 13 3 .813 Pittsburgh Steelers 8 8 .500 New Orleans Saints 7 9 .438 Miami Dolphins 7 9 .438 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 7 9 .438 New York Jets 6 10 .375 Buffalo Bills 6 10 .375 Cleveland Browns 5 11 .313



    AWAY

    TEAM W L Pct. Atlanta Falcons 13 3 .813 Houston Texans 12 4 .750 Baltimore Ravens 10 6 .625 Cincinnati Bengals 10 6 .625 Miami Dolphins 7 9 .438 Carolina Panthers 7 9 .438 New York Jets 6 10 .375 Buffalo Bills 5 11 .313




     

    Good stuff, Faucet.  Looks to me like a reasonable schedule, maybe a little tougher than average.  I like it.  It NE can win the division again, they should be well tested going into the playoffs.  Like this year, Den, Balt, and Hou will be huge games for seeding purposes.  I love having Denver at home.




    I don't know, at ATL, at HOU, and at BAL are going to be very tough.  Obviously happy to have DEN, NO, TB and PIT at home.  Could be another 12-4 season.

     
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    I've read several reports that say UCLA DE Datone Jones (6'4"  280) was the best player in Mobile this week.  Sounds like his strength/athleticism were off the charts, and he showed some very good pass rush ability and ability to stop the run.  Only problem for him is that many teams see him as a "tweener".  However, nepatriotsdraft thinks he would fit perfectly in our hybrid defensive scheme.  What do you think about NE spending an early pick on this guy?




    I think if he's there at 29 he'd be a no brainer.  He reminds me of McGinest coming out.  I'm not sure he was more impressive than Ansah.  That kid was everywhere.  But I would be happy with either at 29 and not sure either will last that long.

    As for DTs.  I'm not sure I agree with those who say we need another massive body like VW.  VW is just a freakish athlete for his size.  If going interior DL I might be more inclined to go with an explosive 3 tech like Kawaan Short.  He really impressed me this week and was unstoppable one-on-one.  I'm not sure I'd spend 29 on him though.  But if we traded back into the 40s...  Any team out there with a pair of seconds who might want to move up?  The Dolphins have a pair of 2s.

     
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