***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    How would this be?

    Trade pick #29 & our 7th to AZ for their 2nd (38) 4th (100) & 5th.  **AZ might want to move into the 1st round to grab a guy like Barkley before KC/Jax/NYJ can get him early on Day 2.**late

    38)  DeAndre Hopkins   WR   Clem

    59)  Desmond Trufant  CB  UW

    96)  TJ McDonald  FS  USC

    100)  Kiko Alonso  ILB  Oregon

    5th (From AZ) Marquise Goodwin  WR  Texas

    6th (projected Comp pick)  Josh Boyd  DT  Miss. St.

    7th  Dustin Hopkins  K  FSU

     



    need a stud offensive lineman with a mean streak in there somewhere.

     

     



    Kent State OG Brian Winters fits that profile and is prob a Day 2 kid.

     



    if we stay put and draft at our slots , do you think Barret Jones falls in our lap? capable of playing all Line positions. 

     

     
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    I've read several reports that say UCLA DE Datone Jones (6'4"  280) was the best player in Mobile this week.  Sounds like his strength/athleticism were off the charts, and he showed some very good pass rush ability and ability to stop the run.  Only problem for him is that many teams see him as a "tweener".  However, nepatriotsdraft thinks he would fit perfectly in our hybrid defensive scheme.  What do you think about NE spending an early pick on this guy?

     




    I think if he's there at 29 he'd be a no brainer.  He reminds me of McGinest coming out.  I'm not sure he was more impressive than Ansah.  That kid was everywhere.  But I would be happy with either at 29 and not sure either will last that long.

     

    As for DTs.  I'm not sure I agree with those who say we need another massive body like VW.  VW is just a freakish athlete for his size.  If going interior DL I might be more inclined to go with an explosive 3 tech like Kawaan Short.  He really impressed me this week and was unstoppable one-on-one.  I'm not sure I'd spend 29 on him though.  But if we traded back into the 40s...  Any team out there with a pair of seconds who might want to move up?  The Dolphins have a pair of 2s.




    I agree.  I'd be okay with Jones at 29.  He is such a terrific athlete, I feel like he could actually play the DT position as well as DE depending on the situation.  I think you can get a lot more from the Senior Bowl practices than you can the game itself.  The coaches really get a chance to work with guys and test them in the practices, where as the game is just an All-Star game.  I think a lot of the guys are only giving 75% and making sure to avoid injury.  I'm not totally sold on Short.  I agree that I would feel a lot better taking him in the 40's than at 29.  Ansah will be long gone by 29, but I feel like there is a decent "bust potential" with him, despite how good he looked in the All-Star game.  It sounded like his practices throughout the week were far from stellar...

     
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    You'll have to forgive me if it's been discussed but what does everyone think of Sharrif Floyd. Beyond the obvious Florida connection BB enjoys, Floyd was also a top 3 blue chipper going into college. Staying in school another year and developing he might have become a top 15 pick. He's explosive with good size for a 43 DT/34 DE. In the back of the 1st he could be an interesting fit for the Pats. At this point just watching film imo Floyd has slightly higher upside than S Williams but not as developed. I might have to change my DT choices in the back of the 1st to Jenkins followed by Floyd with S Williams in the background and J Williams towards the 2nd

     
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    You'll have to forgive me if it's been discussed but what does everyone think of Sharrif Floyd. Beyond the obvious Florida connection BB enjoys, Floyd was also a top 3 blue chipper going into college. Staying in school another year and developing he might have become a top 15 pick. He's explosive with good size for a 43 DT/34 DE. In the back of the 1st he could be an interesting fit for the Pats. At this point just watching film imo Floyd has slightly higher upside than S Williams but not as developed. I might have to change my DT choices in the back of the 1st to Jenkins followed by Floyd with S Williams in the background and J Williams towards the 2nd



    I think he's an option... adequate size (6-3 303), moves well, plays hard... more of an up the field 43 type DT than a 34 space eater, IMO.

     
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    You'll have to forgive me if it's been discussed but what does everyone think of Sharrif Floyd. Beyond the obvious Florida connection BB enjoys, Floyd was also a top 3 blue chipper going into college. Staying in school another year and developing he might have become a top 15 pick. He's explosive with good size for a 43 DT/34 DE. In the back of the 1st he could be an interesting fit for the Pats. At this point just watching film imo Floyd has slightly higher upside than S Williams but not as developed. I might have to change my DT choices in the back of the 1st to Jenkins followed by Floyd with S Williams in the background and J Williams towards the 2nd

     



    I think he's an option... adequate size (6-3 303), moves well, plays hard... more of an up the field 43 type DT than a 34 space eater, IMO.

     

     




    That's what I saw too, but being next to Wilfork with Spikes in the middle do we need a space eater or someone to collapse the interior. I'm kind of torn actually, between getting an up field rusher next to Wilfork or to get another giant body. I think either tactic could work, because of Wilfork, where you can't double both interior guys but the question is do you want quick bursts that cause the QB to scramble out or do you just want to prevent the QB from stepping up and letting the exterior rush come in from the sides?

     

     
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    You'll have to forgive me if it's been discussed but what does everyone think of Sharrif Floyd. Beyond the obvious Florida connection BB enjoys, Floyd was also a top 3 blue chipper going into college. Staying in school another year and developing he might have become a top 15 pick. He's explosive with good size for a 43 DT/34 DE. In the back of the 1st he could be an interesting fit for the Pats. At this point just watching film imo Floyd has slightly higher upside than S Williams but not as developed. I might have to change my DT choices in the back of the 1st to Jenkins followed by Floyd with S Williams in the background and J Williams towards the 2nd

     



    I think he's an option... adequate size (6-3 303), moves well, plays hard... more of an up the field 43 type DT than a 34 space eater, IMO.

     

     




    That's what I saw too, but being next to Wilfork with Spikes in the middle do we need a space eater or someone to collapse the interior. I'm kind of torn actually, between getting an up field rusher next to Wilfork or to get another giant body. I think either tactic could work, because of Wilfork, where you can't double both interior guys but the question is do you want quick bursts that cause the QB to scramble out or do you just want to prevent the QB from stepping out and letting the exterior rush come in from the sides?

     



    What keeps running through my head is, what if VW goes down? 

     
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    You'll have to forgive me if it's been discussed but what does everyone think of Sharrif Floyd. Beyond the obvious Florida connection BB enjoys, Floyd was also a top 3 blue chipper going into college. Staying in school another year and developing he might have become a top 15 pick. He's explosive with good size for a 43 DT/34 DE. In the back of the 1st he could be an interesting fit for the Pats. At this point just watching film imo Floyd has slightly higher upside than S Williams but not as developed. I might have to change my DT choices in the back of the 1st to Jenkins followed by Floyd with S Williams in the background and J Williams towards the 2nd

     



    I think he's an option... adequate size (6-3 303), moves well, plays hard... more of an up the field 43 type DT than a 34 space eater, IMO.

     

     




    That's what I saw too, but being next to Wilfork with Spikes in the middle do we need a space eater or someone to collapse the interior. I'm kind of torn actually, between getting an up field rusher next to Wilfork or to get another giant body. I think either tactic could work, because of Wilfork, where you can't double both interior guys but the question is do you want quick bursts that cause the QB to scramble out or do you just want to prevent the QB from stepping out and letting the exterior rush come in from the sides?

     

     



    What keeps running through my head is, what if VW goes down? 

     




    Then we're dead in the water lol. That's why I have Jenkins above both Williams and Floyd at this point. Jenkins, imo, can replace Wilfork with the least amount of drop off. But if we target an up field rusher and Wilfork goes down we are in trouble. The problem gets even compounded further when you look at the FA's and release realistically there are only 2-3 players who you could target as improves to the interior rush while being able to take Wilfork's place incase of injury. One of them, Melton, is almost assured to get tagged and another, Starks, might be too rich for BB's blood so if they are going to improve the DT position and have an eye towards Wilforks health they have to target someone in the draft. Now I'd be ok going with a Williams or Floyd provided they take a hard look at someone like Geathers as a Love replacement for the backup DT position

     
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    You'll have to forgive me if it's been discussed but what does everyone think of Sharrif Floyd. Beyond the obvious Florida connection BB enjoys, Floyd was also a top 3 blue chipper going into college. Staying in school another year and developing he might have become a top 15 pick. He's explosive with good size for a 43 DT/34 DE. In the back of the 1st he could be an interesting fit for the Pats. At this point just watching film imo Floyd has slightly higher upside than S Williams but not as developed. I might have to change my DT choices in the back of the 1st to Jenkins followed by Floyd with S Williams in the background and J Williams towards the 2nd

     



    I think he's an option... adequate size (6-3 303), moves well, plays hard... more of an up the field 43 type DT than a 34 space eater, IMO.

     

     




    That's what I saw too, but being next to Wilfork with Spikes in the middle do we need a space eater or someone to collapse the interior. I'm kind of torn actually, between getting an up field rusher next to Wilfork or to get another giant body. I think either tactic could work, because of Wilfork, where you can't double both interior guys but the question is do you want quick bursts that cause the QB to scramble out or do you just want to prevent the QB from stepping out and letting the exterior rush come in from the sides?

     

     



    What keeps running through my head is, what if VW goes down? 

     

     




    Then we're dead in the water lol. That's why I have Jenkins above both Williams and Floyd at this point. Jenkins, imo, can replace Wilfork with the least amount of drop off. But if we target an up field rusher and Wilfork goes down we are in trouble. The problem gets even compounded further when you look at the FA's and release realistically there are only 2-3 players who you could target as improves to the interior rush while being able to take Wilfork's place incase of injury. One of them, Melton, is almost assured to get tagged and another, Starks, might be too rich for BB's blood so if they are going to improve the DT position and have an eye towards Wilforks health they have to target someone in the draft. Now I'd be ok going with a Williams or Floyd provided they take a hard look at someone like Geathers as a Love replacement for the backup DT position

     

     



    On constant is that you'll always have Jenkins over Jesse and vice versa for me... I'd argue that Jesse already does it today in a BB style defense so the ramp up time for him shouldn't be that much... overall, both have the skill set to come in and contribute early.

     

     

     
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    I like the following Pats draft:

    1st - Margus Hunt SMU DE Great size/speed for pass rush help, athletic and could develop like JJ Watt

    2nd - J Willams or Kawann Short - DT - help for Big Vince makes Kyle Love a rotational reserve

    3rd - Connor Vernon - WR Duke - Can't remember his name but seen him play and he has size, hands, moves, and good - not great - speed

    7th - Randall Mackey - Ole Miss - versitile has played QB, RB, and WR - quick with good hands and can run with it after the catch

    Pats must resign Talib, SeaBass, and seek help at Safety in free agency. Hopefully Marcus Cannon continues to develop and can repace Connelly next year.

    MB - for your next year prospects - don't sleep on Donte Moncrief - Ole Miss WR destined for greatness.  Has size, speed, leaping ability - 10 TDs in SEC as a Soph this year!

     
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    I like the following Pats draft:

    1st - Margus Hunt SMU DE Great size/speed for pass rush help, athletic and could develop like JJ Watt

    2nd - J Willams or Kawann Short - DT - help for Big Vince makes Kyle Love a rotational reserve

    3rd - Connor Vernon - WR Duke - Can't remember his name but seen him play and he has size, hands, moves, and good - not great - speed

    7th - Randall Mackey - Ole Miss - versitile has played QB, RB, and WR - quick with good hands and can run with it after the catch

    Pats must resign Talib, SeaBass, and seek help at Safety in free agency. Hopefully Marcus Cannon continues to develop and can repace Connelly next year.

    MB - for your next year prospects - don't sleep on Donte Moncrief - Ole Miss WR destined for greatness.  Has size, speed, leaping ability - 10 TDs in SEC as a Soph this year!




    I kind of like this but I do have a couple of things.

    1) Hunt is very behind where Watt was at the same point in their development. Watt was a polished pass rusher with multiple moves and a ton of strength. Hunt on the other hand doesn't have many rushing moves and for his size could stand to add additional strength. Many times he was pushed vertically early and lost all levergae. He needs to add a lot of core and upper body strength to prevent being stood up with such a long torso.

    Though Hunt has potential to have Watt type of upside he is still a long ways away from that. It's one reason he's projected everywhere from the back of the 1st to the 4th range, simply because he is so raw teams question if he could completely develop. Not sure if I'd take Hunt that early instead of targeting a more polished DL at that point. If they move back to the mid 2nd to gather picks and Hunt was there then him or Short would be my pick

    2) I don't see Short making it past the 40's. I highly doubt he make it to the Pats 2nd round pick but J Williams could be there and much like Hunt he is very raw. Tons of potential, which is why MB loves him, but he's another in a long line of late to come football players that tend to be boom or bust. This kid has the physical abilities to be a monster at the line but has really disappointed this year in getting behind the line. He's mainly plugged gaps and held his own this year but never took that step to the next level which many expected. It lead some, including myself, to wonder if he's reached his rushing ceiling and will turn out to be a run stopping demon but be lacking in the pass rush. Late 2nd is a great place for him.


    3) I remember Vernon, solid overall player but nothing special. He reminds me a lot of Ebert truthfully. He'd be a late day two early day 3 type of kid but since we don't have picks in those ranges if you want him then the 3rd is where you'd have to take him. IMO CB goes a lot deeper than WR this year so if I had to take someone in the 3rd I'd rather roll the dice on a CB but to each their own.

    4) I like the 7th rounder. Versitility gives BB wet dreams at night. Are you thinking this kid could be like an Edelman, without the injures? Who else are you looking at in the 7th this year since we have two? 

     
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    I like the following Pats draft:

    1st - Margus Hunt SMU DE Great size/speed for pass rush help, athletic and could develop like JJ Watt

    2nd - J Willams or Kawann Short - DT - help for Big Vince makes Kyle Love a rotational reserve

    3rd - Connor Vernon - WR Duke - Can't remember his name but seen him play and he has size, hands, moves, and good - not great - speed

    7th - Randall Mackey - Ole Miss - versitile has played QB, RB, and WR - quick with good hands and can run with it after the catch

    Pats must resign Talib, SeaBass, and seek help at Safety in free agency. Hopefully Marcus Cannon continues to develop and can repace Connelly next year.

    MB - for your next year prospects - don't sleep on Donte Moncrief - Ole Miss WR destined for greatness.  Has size, speed, leaping ability - 10 TDs in SEC as a Soph this year!

     




    I kind of like this but I do have a couple of things.

     

    1) Hunt is very behind where Watt was at the same point in their development. Watt was a polished pass rusher with multiple moves and a ton of strength. Hunt on the other hand doesn't have many rushing moves and for his size could stand to add additional strength. Many times he was pushed vertically early and lost all levergae. He needs to add a lot of core and upper body strength to prevent being stood up with such a long torso.

    Though Hunt has potential to have Watt type of upside he is still a long ways away from that. It's one reason he's projected everywhere from the back of the 1st to the 4th range, simply because he is so raw teams question if he could completely develop. Not sure if I'd take Hunt that early instead of targeting a more polished DL at that point. If they move back to the mid 2nd to gather picks and Hunt was there then him or Short would be my pick

    2) I don't see Short making it past the 40's. I highly doubt he make it to the Pats 2nd round pick but J Williams could be there and much like Hunt he is very raw. Tons of potential, which is why MB loves him, but he's another in a long line of late to come football players that tend to be boom or bust. This kid has the physical abilities to be a monster at the line but has really disappointed this year in getting behind the line. He's mainly plugged gaps and held his own this year but never took that step to the next level which many expected. It lead some, including myself, to wonder if he's reached his rushing ceiling and will turn out to be a run stopping demon but be lacking in the pass rush. Late 2nd is a great place for him.


    3) I remember Vernon, solid overall player but nothing special. He reminds me a lot of Ebert truthfully. He'd be a late day two early day 3 type of kid but since we don't have picks in those ranges if you want him then the 3rd is where you'd have to take him. IMO CB goes a lot deeper than WR this year so if I had to take someone in the 3rd I'd rather roll the dice on a CB but to each their own.

    4) I like the 7th rounder. Versitility gives BB wet dreams at night. Are you thinking this kid could be like an Edelman, without the injures? Who else are you looking at in the 7th this year since we have two? 



    PE,

    If you're mentioning Williams as disappointment in regards to making plays behind the LOS, then you have to be consistent and mention Jenkins... Williams had 1 sack and 2.5 TFL this season while Jenkins had 1 sack and 2.0 TFL.

     
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    I like the following Pats draft:

    1st - Margus Hunt SMU DE Great size/speed for pass rush help, athletic and could develop like JJ Watt

    2nd - J Willams or Kawann Short - DT - help for Big Vince makes Kyle Love a rotational reserve

    3rd - Connor Vernon - WR Duke - Can't remember his name but seen him play and he has size, hands, moves, and good - not great - speed

    7th - Randall Mackey - Ole Miss - versitile has played QB, RB, and WR - quick with good hands and can run with it after the catch

    Pats must resign Talib, SeaBass, and seek help at Safety in free agency. Hopefully Marcus Cannon continues to develop and can repace Connelly next year.

    MB - for your next year prospects - don't sleep on Donte Moncrief - Ole Miss WR destined for greatness.  Has size, speed, leaping ability - 10 TDs in SEC as a Soph this year!




    They mentioned him quite a bit in Ole Miss' Bowl game, so I'll have to keep tabs on him next year, thanks SS.

     
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    I like the following Pats draft:

    1st - Margus Hunt SMU DE Great size/speed for pass rush help, athletic and could develop like JJ Watt

    2nd - J Willams or Kawann Short - DT - help for Big Vince makes Kyle Love a rotational reserve

    3rd - Connor Vernon - WR Duke - Can't remember his name but seen him play and he has size, hands, moves, and good - not great - speed

    7th - Randall Mackey - Ole Miss - versitile has played QB, RB, and WR - quick with good hands and can run with it after the catch

    Pats must resign Talib, SeaBass, and seek help at Safety in free agency. Hopefully Marcus Cannon continues to develop and can repace Connelly next year.

    MB - for your next year prospects - don't sleep on Donte Moncrief - Ole Miss WR destined for greatness.  Has size, speed, leaping ability - 10 TDs in SEC as a Soph this year!

     




    I kind of like this but I do have a couple of things.

     

    1) Hunt is very behind where Watt was at the same point in their development. Watt was a polished pass rusher with multiple moves and a ton of strength. Hunt on the other hand doesn't have many rushing moves and for his size could stand to add additional strength. Many times he was pushed vertically early and lost all levergae. He needs to add a lot of core and upper body strength to prevent being stood up with such a long torso.

    Though Hunt has potential to have Watt type of upside he is still a long ways away from that. It's one reason he's projected everywhere from the back of the 1st to the 4th range, simply because he is so raw teams question if he could completely develop. Not sure if I'd take Hunt that early instead of targeting a more polished DL at that point. If they move back to the mid 2nd to gather picks and Hunt was there then him or Short would be my pick

    2) I don't see Short making it past the 40's. I highly doubt he make it to the Pats 2nd round pick but J Williams could be there and much like Hunt he is very raw. Tons of potential, which is why MB loves him, but he's another in a long line of late to come football players that tend to be boom or bust. This kid has the physical abilities to be a monster at the line but has really disappointed this year in getting behind the line. He's mainly plugged gaps and held his own this year but never took that step to the next level which many expected. It lead some, including myself, to wonder if he's reached his rushing ceiling and will turn out to be a run stopping demon but be lacking in the pass rush. Late 2nd is a great place for him.


    3) I remember Vernon, solid overall player but nothing special. He reminds me a lot of Ebert truthfully. He'd be a late day two early day 3 type of kid but since we don't have picks in those ranges if you want him then the 3rd is where you'd have to take him. IMO CB goes a lot deeper than WR this year so if I had to take someone in the 3rd I'd rather roll the dice on a CB but to each their own.

    4) I like the 7th rounder. Versitility gives BB wet dreams at night. Are you thinking this kid could be like an Edelman, without the injures? Who else are you looking at in the 7th this year since we have two? 

     



    PE,

     

    If you're mentioning Williams as disappointment in regards to making plays behind the LOS, then you have to be consistent and mention Jenkins... Williams had 1 sack and 2.5 TFL this season while Jenkins had 1 sack and 2.0 TFL.




    Williams is a much better prospect when Jenkins is. Jenkins disappears far too many time during games and the season. Williams would be a great fit for the Pats at their pick and would be a typical BB selection. He could be a young player that could be groomed for when Wilfork leaves. That said, Williams is going Top 20, at worst Top 25. Jenkins won't be the pick at 29, I can almost gurantee it.

     

    Also. For those mocking Margus Hunt to the Pats, please don't. Previously, I bought into his "upside" and great "size/length", but he is raw raw raw, and is an awful football player at the moment that has no clue how to play with leverage or what he is doing. He made Ziggy Ansah look polished at the Senior Bowl.

     
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    Also, RE: Shariff Floyd. I'd really love him as a potential Patriot at 29, but I really doubt he gets to our pick. He is a Top 20 talent and now there is even some Top 10-15 buzz for him, which kind of sucks cause he was a player I really liked this fall and saw as a potential fit.

     
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    Also, RE: Shariff Floyd. I'd really love him as a potential Patriot at 29, but I really doubt he gets to our pick. He is a Top 20 talent and now there is even some Top 10-15 buzz for him, which kind of sucks cause he was a player I really liked this fall and saw as a potential fit.

     




     

    Shariff Floyd's stock is seriously on the rise.  He's gone from the 30-40 range to the 10-20 range overnight.  The only way the Pats can get him at 29 is if he bombs the combine.

     
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    PE,

     

    If you're mentioning Williams as disappointment in regards to making plays behind the LOS, then you have to be consistent and mention Jenkins... Williams had 1 sack and 2.5 TFL this season while Jenkins had 1 sack and 2.0 TFL.

     




    Williams is a much better prospect when Jenkins is. Jenkins disappears far too many time during games and the season. Williams would be a great fit for the Pats at their pick and would be a typical BB selection. He could be a young player that could be groomed for when Wilfork leaves. That said, Williams is going Top 20, at worst Top 25. Jenkins won't be the pick at 29, I can almost gurantee it.

     

     

    Also. For those mocking Margus Hunt to the Pats, please don't. Previously, I bought into his "upside" and great "size/length", but he is raw raw raw, and is an awful football player at the moment that has no clue how to play with leverage or what he is doing. He made Ziggy Ansah look polished at the Senior Bowl.

     




    we have players who play with leverage and perfect technique.  they do this due to our coaching staff.  Just because a player currently lacks these skills doesn't mean he can't learn them.  Especially when he shows flashes of being an amazing player.  One must keep in mind Hunt went to SMU a lower level school with not nearly the coaching staff which we have.  With the proper coaching he could be amazing.  Look at Chandler jones, he was considered very raw, but with a few months of good coaching he has become a great pass rusher.

     

     
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    PE,

     

    If you're mentioning Williams as disappointment in regards to making plays behind the LOS, then you have to be consistent and mention Jenkins... Williams had 1 sack and 2.5 TFL this season while Jenkins had 1 sack and 2.0 TFL.

     




    Williams is a much better prospect when Jenkins is. Jenkins disappears far too many time during games and the season. Williams would be a great fit for the Pats at their pick and would be a typical BB selection. He could be a young player that could be groomed for when Wilfork leaves. That said, Williams is going Top 20, at worst Top 25. Jenkins won't be the pick at 29, I can almost gurantee it.

     

     

    Also. For those mocking Margus Hunt to the Pats, please don't. Previously, I bought into his "upside" and great "size/length", but he is raw raw raw, and is an awful football player at the moment that has no clue how to play with leverage or what he is doing. He made Ziggy Ansah look polished at the Senior Bowl.

     




    we have players who play with leverage and perfect technique.  they do this due to our coaching staff.  Just because a player currently lacks these skills doesn't mean he can't learn them.  Especially when he shows flashes of being an amazing player.  One must keep in mind Hunt went to SMU a lower level school with not nearly the coaching staff which we have.  With the proper coaching he could be amazing.  Look at Chandler jones, he was considered very raw, but with a few months of good coaching he has become a great pass rusher.

     



    Nate,

    Jones was way ahead of where Hunt is now. The only time I saw Hunt was at their bowl game (vs Fresno St) and at the Senior Bowl. Statistically, he did well vs Fresno St. However, two things I saw on that game.

    1) Shy at engaging the run (I don't know how else to describe it). Sometimes he seemed afraid of going into the scrum and is a second slow at getting in there. Will not be the first to engage but once runner is engaged, he will help bring runner down. 

    2) Cannot drop back. I guess it does not matter if he's used as a pure edge rusher. That just does not seem BB-like.

    3) Raw on rushing technique. That could be a plus, if you think he's getting results without the technique. Deifnitely, what worked against Fresno, definitely doe snot worked against the better OTs. 

    All in all, it's hard to see that picking him up where he is being mocked makes any sense. I would not touch him before 3rd round.

    But who knows, BB picks have been as unpredictable before.

     

     

     

     
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    I know Wendell had a nice year but did you guys get to see Brian Schwenke practice this week?  He anchored well against the big stud DTs.  Like Wendell I saw him in at OG during the game too.  Mankins is starting to get hurt now and Connolly usually misses a few games a year.  If we can gain a 4th, he would be a nice pick.

     




    Solid interior OL prospect... I like Kent State OG Brian Winters too.

     

     


    Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for him.  Chances are, BB will NOT go OL with any of our top 3 picks.

     
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    After the senior bowl, and predicting after the combine...there will be a few good dt's hanging around at 29, not to mention some good cb's, wr's and safeties. Prediction....bb trades out of round 1 all together and picks up a 2nd and 4th round pick. Just saying ...a see a bunch of the kids we are talking about here everyday hanging around at picks 33-45. 

    For the record...please no to Margus hunt, and I am not the biggest shariff fan either. I could see bb not taking a DT nor de in this draft Until late rounds. I think he goes cb and WR round 2...with the trade mentioned above.

    round 2a bb takes Poyer, 2b bb takes Swope. 

     
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    Has anyone looked into Robert Alford (CB)? Against other teams in their conf, he looked good. I have yet to watch the Senior Bowl, but I thought I read somehwere that he was there and he did fine. Might be an option in third or even fourth round if they trade down and get a fourth rounder.

     
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    After the senior bowl, and predicting after the combine...there will be a few good dt's hanging around at 29, not to mention some good cb's, wr's and safeties. Prediction....bb trades out of round 1 all together and picks up a 2nd and 4th round pick. Just saying ...a see a bunch of the kids we are talking about here everyday hanging around at picks 33-45. 

    For the record...please no to Margus hunt, and I am not the biggest shariff fan either. I could see bb not taking a DT nor de in this draft Until late rounds. I think he goes cb and WR round 2...with the trade mentioned above.

    round 2a bb takes Poyer, 2b bb takes Swope. 

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    I think BB would love to trade back into the early-mid 2nd round this year.  You're right, there should be some very good players in positions of NE's need available around that area (DT, S, CB, WR).  The only question will be whether or not anyone wants to move up into our first round slot.  Sometimes no one wants to deal.

     
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    Has anyone looked into Robert Alford (CB)? Against other teams in their conf, he looked good. I have yet to watch the Senior Bowl, but I thought I read somehwere that he was there and he did fine. Might be an option in third or even fourth round if they trade down and get a fourth rounder.



    Yes..he is a riser after the senior bowl. Had a great week. Didn't watch him at all during the year due to where he plays, but several think very highly of him. He has decent, not great size, but he is ultra fast and aggressive playing the ball. Given the depth this year in the draft at cb, I would think he is a round 3-4 type of kid. Mb would probably know best in terms of a grade.

     
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    With Hunt he is very raw which is why I wouldn't take him until the back of the 2nd, same with J Williams. But, both players talent are undeniable when they have flashed. I wouldn't touch either with a 1st round pick but I'd gladly take either past the 50. I think both have the potential to be special I just wouldn't risk a 1st on potential alone.

     
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    With Hunt he is very raw which is why I wouldn't take him until the back of the 2nd, same with J Williams. But, both players talent are undeniable when they have flashed. I wouldn't touch either with a 1st round pick but I'd gladly take either past the 50. I think both have the potential to be special I just wouldn't risk a 1st on potential alone.




    Agree on Hunt, but if we drafted J. Williams at 29, I'd be okay with that.  I think Williams is closer to "NFL-ready" than Hunt, and as a DT his physicality would at least let him come in and contribute early on.

     
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    Any takers........

     

    Former University of Miami defensive back Ray-Ray Armstrong will participate in game action for the first time in over a year on Saturday.

    Armstrong will get a chance to play in the Texas vs. The Nation Game on Saturday, and CBS Sports pegged him as a player to keep an eye on, despite the fact that he hasn't played in game action since Nov. 2011.

    After playing three years at the University of Miami, Armstrong was dismissed from the team due to illegal contact with boosters. He then enrolled at Faulkner College of the NAIA, but was ruled ineligible to play.

    Armstrong now has a lot to prove if he hopes to get drafted in the later rounds of April's draft. He was previously thought of as a first-round prospect before a tumultuous senior season. His talent will be enough to catch the eye of NFL scouts, but he will have to face some tough questions about his shortcomings off the field.

    In his final two seasons at Miami, Armstrong totaled over 60 tackles, four interceptions and nine passes defended. He also returned an interception for a touchdown, showing off his big-play ability.

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/1/28/3926788/texas-vs-the-nation-2013-ray-ray-armstrong

     

     
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