***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Someone here mentioned Brandon Williams, the 340 lb DT from Southern Missouri. I checked whatever youtube was available and I really find him intriguing. He could be available in the fourth, but would not mind picking him up in the third.

    Dontari Poe shot up the boards after showing his quickness for a kid that heavy. Williams is likely to show the same athleticsm at the combine. He definitely has agility and quick twitch legs. He also shows off his arm strength on a youtube of him doing a handstand (Okay, okay, I may be getting carried away).

    Here's the big difference between Poe and Williams... Williams actually showed his talents on the field, accumulating 5 FFs, 8.5 sacks and 16.5 TFLs. In the Senior Bowl, he dominated OLs one one-on-ones.

    He's from a small school, sure. I think it just means he'll have some adjustments to do, but I think he'll be fine.

    Williams could be that kid that VW needs next to him.

     




    Thanks sp, I've been meaning to give this kid a look.

     

     



    I just finshed watching the Senior Bowl last night. He had an unremarkable game. S Williams, K Short, and others were definitely more active at penetration. I am not sure if they just told him to clog the lanes. I think the kid can penetrate if asked.

     



    Short scares me as the biggest knock on him is consistent effort.  The ability is there, no question, but effort is the biggest on field red-flag that a player can have, IMO.

     
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    Has anyone looked into Robert Alford (CB)? Against other teams in their conf, he looked good. I have yet to watch the Senior Bowl, but I thought I read somehwere that he was there and he did fine. Might be an option in third or even fourth round if they trade down and get a fourth rounder.

     



    Yes..he is a riser after the senior bowl. Had a great week. Didn't watch him at all during the year due to where he plays, but several think very highly of him. He has decent, not great size, but he is ultra fast and aggressive playing the ball. Given the depth this year in the draft at cb, I would think he is a round 3-4 type of kid. Mb would probably know best in terms of a grade.

     

     



    Alford is a kid that Ricky brought up a ways back... intriguing kid, small school, not a big but has that fluidity/COD that BB likes in his CB's... likely to come off the board between Rd's 2-4, IMO.

     



    ...and if memory serves, he ran the opening kick off back 95 yards at the Sr Bowl.  Trufant ran him down.  Mayock talked Alford up quite a bit.  I like how he looks in pads, strong physical, and he played great.   Mayock said he had an excellent week in coverage as a CB in practice.  I concur with Mb, probably late 2nd would be his ceiling but I don't see him getting out of the 3rd round.

     
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    MB and the gang of draftniks,while your mentioning SS First guy who'll be taken by the Patriots will be Ed Reed! As soon as the Ravens let him search for a new job the Patriots will be his new home. However if that doesn't take place then what are the chances of them just refortifying the O-line with the likes of Barrett Jones? Or Joeckel if he should slide? My choice for a safety would be Zeke Motta saw him play his HS career and he's a keeper!The other really pressing need for the Patriots is a receiver who can take the top off the defense and whose big enough to beat the snot out of Pollard and his ilk of DB's.

     

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    "and whose big enough to beat the snot out of Pollard and his ilk of DB's."

     

    2nd that.

    and as i just psoted elsewhere on priorities

    i think our highest and next to highest and next to next to  highest (ie its not close) is elite pass rushing de. next big outside wr who can separate and catch, and a big, fast cb; then yeah safety is a big need (i suggested picking up in fa, along with pass rusher (i dont see much of a stud available at 29), better o line starter, cover lb., upgrade at dt. are these canadian footbnall kids any of that, hard to say at this point, maybe depth.

     

    consistent pass rush (with the front 4) is necessary.

    then having 2 big starting cbs talib, someone ot go with talib, dennard and dowling 3 and 4.

    on offense we've been stopped for years against better des not having a torrie smith or other (a big outside wr who can separate with reliable hands) . good offenses often have 2 good outside wrs. we have not had one since moss (lloyd cannot separate and falls on the ground every time he catches a pass). we need at least one. 

    a tough safety who can cover and stay healthy is needed (and i want it this offseason), but wihtout another real pass rusher (and cb and outside wr),we may look at another year with no brady sb win.

     

     
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    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:I've heard rumors of a trade which would dramatically change the position of where the Patriots would be drafting,if that trade comes to fruition then even Joeckel would be a possible but not likely Draft choice.Of course I'm talking about the Browns new GM and his fondness for Ryan Mallett and probably sending his 1rst round pick NE's way in exchange.The trade would probably look like this Ryan and our first for their first and a fourth/fifth. If they can pull that type of trade off who is the likely target,before any of the others start yelling pipe dream,remember this it was Mike Lombardi who stated without reservation that Mallett was better than either of the two guys taken first and second in last years draft,I'm just stating facts.

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    MB and the gang of draftniks,while your mentioning SS First guy who'll be taken by the Patriots will be Ed Reed! As soon as the Ravens let him search for a new job the Patriots will be his new home. However if that doesn't take place then what are the chances of them just refortifying the O-line with the likes of Barrett Jones? Or Joeckel if he should slide? My choice for a safety would be Zeke Motta saw him play his HS career and he's a keeper!The other really pressing need for the Patriots is a receiver who can take the top off the defense and whose big enough to beat the snot out of Pollard and his ilk of DB's.

     




    While Reed could be an option, he's more of a FS.

     

    OL is certainly an option and if they address in the Top 40-50 or so, Barrett Jones would be near the top of my board in that aspect... as would UNC's Jon Cooper, who would prob need to be taken at 29.

    Joeckel is in the discussion for #1 overall, so I don't see any scenerio where he'd be in range.

    I too like Motta and think he's in the S discussion in the late Day 2, Day 3 range.

    I'd love to see them bring in a DeAndre Hopkins or Robert Woods or Quinton Patton, etc. on Day 1 or 2.




     
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    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:I've heard rumors of a trade which would dramatically change the position of where the Patriots would be drafting,if that trade comes to fruition then even Joeckel would be a possible but not likely Draft choice.Of course I'm talking about the Browns new GM and his fondness for Ryan Mallett and probably sending his 1rst round pick NE's way in exchange.The trade would probably look like this Ryan and our first for their first and a fourth/fifth. If they can pull that type of trade off who is the likely target,before any of the others start yelling pipe dream,remember this it was Mike Lombardi who stated without reservation that Mallett was better than either of the two guys taken first and second in last years draft,I'm just stating facts.

     

    Sorry Man, this rumored trade involving Mallett is just too good to be true.  I'd love to see it work out, but I seriously doubt it.  Gonna join the "pipe dream" side of this debate, but man do I hope I'm wrong!  This would change the complexion of the whole draft.

     
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    If BB was able to swing a deal with Lombardi in which they acquire the #6 pick, I would almost guarantee that he attempts to trade back to acquire more picks.  If he did keep it, which I think is unlikely, I hope he'd address the defensive side of the ball (Milliner/Werner/Moore/ Lotulelei, etc).

     
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    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:I've heard rumors of a trade which would dramatically change the position of where the Patriots would be drafting,if that trade comes to fruition then even Joeckel would be a possible but not likely Draft choice.Of course I'm talking about the Browns new GM and his fondness for Ryan Mallett and probably sending his 1rst round pick NE's way in exchange.The trade would probably look like this Ryan and our first for their first and a fourth/fifth. If they can pull that type of trade off who is the likely target,before any of the others start yelling pipe dream,remember this it was Mike Lombardi who stated without reservation that Mallett was better than either of the two guys taken first and second in last years draft,I'm just stating facts.

     

    Sorry Man, this rumored trade involving Mallett is just too good to be true.  I'd love to see it work out, but I seriously doubt it.  Gonna join the "pipe dream" side of this debate, but man do I hope I'm wrong!  This would change the complexion of the whole draft.



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    If BB was able to swing a deal with Lombardi in which they acquire the #6 pick, I would almost guarantee that he attempts to trade back to acquire more picks.  If he did keep it, which I think is unlikely, I hope he'd address the defensive side of the ball (Milliner/Werner/Moore/ Lotulelei, etc).

     



    jj watt lite id be shooting for.

    werner ttempting, 

    tradin back a few and getting another to a team desperate for the likes of a werner or other AND RAKING THEM ON VALUE would be awesome, picking up ansah or jordan.

     

     
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    If BB was able to swing a deal with Lombardi in which they acquire the #6 pick, I would almost guarantee that he attempts to trade back to acquire more picks.  If he did keep it, which I think is unlikely, I hope he'd address the defensive side of the ball (Milliner/Werner/Moore/ Lotulelei, etc).



    I would agree ...he trades back and can still grab a very good player in the Early teens. I got to think DT is high of his list. I don't think we will see him draft a de..would love if he traded back from 6, grabbed Richardson to play DT, with  an extra high second pick, maybe steal Hopkins , and then sit at bottom of 2 and grab a cb, and that kid who plays safety at FI...

     
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    Rd 1

    Trade or

    DE Alex Okafor

    DE Sam Montgomery

    DL Datone Jones

    CB Xavier Rhodes

    CB Marcus Trufant

    CB Johnthan Banks

    CB Jordan Poyer

    WR Cordarelle Patterson

    WR DeAndre Hopkins

    Rd 2

    CB Jamar Taylor

    CB Darius Slay

    CB Logan Ryan

    CB Robert Alford

    WR Aaron Dobson

    WR Tavon Austin

    DL Brandon Williams

    DT Sylvester Williams

    Rd 3

    CB Blidi Wreh-Wilson

    CB Leon McFadden

    WR Stedman Bailey

    WR Ryan Swope

    WR Chris Harper

    WR Marquise Goodwin

    DE/OLD John Simon

    S/CB Melvin White

    S Jonathan Cyprien

    Rd 7

    CB Tyrann Mathieu

    RB Marcus Lattimore

    OT Jeff Nady

    WR Aaron Mellette

    WR TJ Moe

     

    Key Free Agents

    Danny Amendola 

    Osi Umenyiora

    Key Losses

    Wes Welker

    Danny Woodhead

    Kyle Arrington

    Patrick Chung



    hey ricky, in black is who you want most?

    have had no time and no tlikely in future.

    no knowledge of cyprian or alford.

    not bad on positon adds and losses (almost all the positions ive wanted save cover lb)

    why lose woody?

    why not add safety in fa? lower risk.

     
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    Rd 1

    Trade or

    DE Alex Okafor

    DE Sam Montgomery

    DL Datone Jones

    CB Xavier Rhodes

    CB Marcus Trufant

    CB Johnthan Banks

    CB Jordan Poyer

    WR Cordarelle Patterson

    WR DeAndre Hopkins

    Rd 2

    CB Jamar Taylor

    CB Darius Slay

    CB Logan Ryan

    CB Robert Alford

    WR Aaron Dobson

    WR Tavon Austin

    DL Brandon Williams

    DT Sylvester Williams

    Rd 3

    CB Blidi Wreh-Wilson

    CB Leon McFadden

    WR Stedman Bailey

    WR Ryan Swope

    WR Chris Harper

    WR Marquise Goodwin

    DE/OLD John Simon

    S/CB Melvin White

    S Jonathan Cyprien

    Rd 7

    CB Tyrann Mathieu

    RB Marcus Lattimore

    OT Jeff Nady

    WR Aaron Mellette

    WR TJ Moe

     

    Key Free Agents

    Danny Amendola 

    Osi Umenyiora

    Key Losses

    Wes Welker

    Danny Woodhead

    Kyle Arrington

    Patrick Chung




    interesting but why do you think Woodhead is leaving?

    Not sure I like the Osi pickup. Yes he got 6sacks coming off the bench but he's looking for a fat payday for a guy with no heart. He gives effort when he wants and truthfully I'm starting to see his abilities in decline. I'd rather put that money into a S or DT.

    A like the Mathieu pick in the 7th. I have a feeling he'll still be there too.

    Why no interior pass rush in FA or draft? Do you think Deadrick or Love is good enough?


    Just out of curiousity what do you see in Alford to make him a 2nd round pick? I don't know much about the kid but just looking at his career numbers and I'm not seeing much. Coming from a smaller school I'd expect him to be more dominant to warrent a higher pick, esp in the Southland FCS and I'm just not seeing it.

     
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    Rd 1

    Trade or

    DE Alex Okafor

    DE Sam Montgomery

    DL Datone Jones

    CB Xavier Rhodes

    CB Marcus Trufant

    CB Johnthan Banks

    CB Jordan Poyer

    WR Cordarelle Patterson

    WR DeAndre Hopkins

    Rd 2

    CB Jamar Taylor

    CB Darius Slay

    CB Logan Ryan

    CB Robert Alford

    WR Aaron Dobson

    WR Tavon Austin

    DL Brandon Williams

    DT Sylvester Williams

    Rd 3

    CB Blidi Wreh-Wilson

    CB Leon McFadden

    WR Stedman Bailey

    WR Ryan Swope

    WR Chris Harper

    WR Marquise Goodwin

    DE/OLD John Simon

    S/CB Melvin White

    S Jonathan Cyprien

    Rd 7

    CB Tyrann Mathieu

    RB Marcus Lattimore

    OT Jeff Nady

    WR Aaron Mellette

    WR TJ Moe

     

    Key Free Agents

    Danny Amendola 

    Osi Umenyiora

    Key Losses

    Wes Welker

    Danny Woodhead

    Kyle Arrington

    Patrick Chung

     




    interesting but why do you think Woodhead is leaving?

     

    Not sure I like the Osi pickup. Yes he got 6sacks coming off the bench but he's looking for a fat payday for a guy with no heart. He gives effort when he wants and truthfully I'm starting to see his abilities in decline. I'd rather put that money into a S or DT.

    A like the Mathieu pick in the 7th. I have a feeling he'll still be there too.

    Why no interior pass rush in FA or draft? Do you think Deadrick or Love is good enough?


    Just out of curiousity what do you see in Alford to make him a 2nd round pick? I don't know much about the kid but just looking at his career numbers and I'm not seeing much. Coming from a smaller school I'd expect him to be more dominant to warrent a higher pick, esp in the Southland FCS and I'm just not seeing it.



    I haven't seen the kid play much if at all, but I do think lack of statistics could reflect teams not wanting to throw to his side of the field, just a thought.  The lack of stats would be more alarming to me if it were an offensive skill guy or even a rush end not generating sacks, but DB can be tough to gauge based on that alone. 

     
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    Rd 1

    Trade or

    DE Alex Okafor

    DE Sam Montgomery

    DL Datone Jones

    CB Xavier Rhodes

    CB Marcus Trufant

    CB Johnthan Banks

    CB Jordan Poyer

    WR Cordarelle Patterson

    WR DeAndre Hopkins

    Rd 2

    CB Jamar Taylor

    CB Darius Slay

    CB Logan Ryan

    CB Robert Alford

    WR Aaron Dobson

    WR Tavon Austin

    DL Brandon Williams

    DT Sylvester Williams

    Rd 3

    CB Blidi Wreh-Wilson

    CB Leon McFadden

    WR Stedman Bailey

    WR Ryan Swope

    WR Chris Harper

    WR Marquise Goodwin

    DE/OLD John Simon

    S/CB Melvin White

    S Jonathan Cyprien

    Rd 7

    CB Tyrann Mathieu

    RB Marcus Lattimore

    OT Jeff Nady

    WR Aaron Mellette

    WR TJ Moe

     

    Key Free Agents

    Danny Amendola 

    Osi Umenyiora

    Key Losses

    Wes Welker

    Danny Woodhead

    Kyle Arrington

    Patrick Chung



    Given these options, I'd go with this:

    Rd 1- WR Hopkins

    Rd 2- CB Ryan

    Rd 3- S Cyprien

    RD 7- RB Lattimore

    Rd 7- CB Mathieu

     
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    Random thought.  Stephen Gostkowski is going to command a huge salary for a kicker this year.  He has been good for us throughout his career, but was really shaky at times last year.  FSU's Dustin Hopkins is one of the best colligiate kickers to come out in a while.  Does anyone think BB pulls the trigger on Hopkins somewhere in Day 3 if he's still available to compete with Ghost in camp and possibly come as a better, cheaper option at kicker?

     
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    Random thought.  Stephen Gostkowski is going to command a huge salary for a kicker this year.  He has been good for us throughout his career, but was really shaky at times last year.  FSU's Dustin Hopkins is one of the best colligiate kickers to come out in a while.  Does anyone think BB pulls the trigger on Hopkins somewhere in Day 3 if he's still available to compete with Ghost in camp and possibly come as a better, cheaper option at kicker?




    With the value that BB places on the kicking game/ST in general, I do think it's an option, yes.

     
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    I haven't seen the kid play much if at all, but I do think lack of statistics could reflect teams not wanting to throw to his side of the field, just a thought.  The lack of stats would be more alarming to me if it were an offensive skill guy or even a rush end not generating sacks, but DB can be tough to gauge based on that alone. 

     



    While normally I agree MB, it's feast or famine for the top players, his numbers are usually in the dead center of average. So, QB's aren't shying away from him if he's still putting up decent numbers. He gets a handful of picks a year, has decent tackle numbers, usually in the upper single digits lower double digits for PD's, and a handful of plays behind the line. These down the middle numbers in a bigger conference would look impressive but for a smaller/weaker conference they should be just middle of the road. He also missed all of 2010 and parts of 2012 because of injury which to me should be a major red flag

     
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    The son of "The Minister" flashing some ability in the "Texas vs. The Nation" practices... could be another intriguing Day 3 DT/NT option:

    8. Anthony White, DT, Michigan State (6014, 334 and 5.10 E): On Tuesday White flashed, but struggled with consistency, so today it was impressive to see him make big plays throughout today’s practice. For a 330+ pound DT, White’s initial quickness is shocking and enables him to get hands on OL before they are set to block. He consistently showed the strength to jolt and drive pass blocker backwards when he bull rushed and was able to anchor vs run blocks. His initial quickness, strength and hand use let White consistently defeat blocks to get backfield penetration to make plays behind the LOS. While White is far from a finished product, he showed today that he has the talent to be a starting nose tackle in the NFL when he plays with aggressiveness and good technique.

     
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    Below are some Day 3-URFA offensive players that interest me… most haven’t really been discussed… a few have a chance to be taken late on Day 2.

    QB- EJ Manuel- FSU

    QB- Collin Klein- KSU

    QB- Colby Cameron- LTU

    WR- TJ Moe- Missouri

    WR- Tavarres King- Georgia

    WR- Sam McGuffie- Rice

    WR- Chad Bumphis- Miss State

    WR- Denard Robinson- Michigan

    WR- Zach Rogers- Tenn

    WR- Josh Boyce- TCU

     

    RB- Spencer Ware- LSU

    RB- Michael Ford- LSU

    RB- Knile Davis- Arkansas

    RB- Stefphon Jefferson- Nevada

     

    FB- Zach Line- SMU

    FB- Lonnie Pryor- FSU

    FB- Kyle Juszczyk- Harvard

     

    TE- Travis Kelce- Cincy

    TE- Nick Kasa- Colorado

    TE- Levine Toilolo- Stanford

    TE- Dion Sims- Michigan State

    TE- Vance McDonald- Rice

    TE- Michael Williams- Alabama

    TE- Joseph Fauria- UCLA

     
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    The son of "The Minister" flashing some ability in the "Texas vs. The Nation" practices... could be another intriguing Day 3 DT/NT option:

    8. Anthony White, DT, Michigan State (6014, 334 and 5.10 E): On Tuesday White flashed, but struggled with consistency, so today it was impressive to see him make big plays throughout today’s practice. For a 330+ pound DT, White’s initial quickness is shocking and enables him to get hands on OL before they are set to block. He consistently showed the strength to jolt and drive pass blocker backwards when he bull rushed and was able to anchor vs run blocks. His initial quickness, strength and hand use let White consistently defeat blocks to get backfield penetration to make plays behind the LOS. While White is far from a finished product, he showed today that he has the talent to be a starting nose tackle in the NFL when he plays with aggressiveness and good technique.




    He was a day 3 type of guy right? Might be worth a good look from this report

     
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    The son of "The Minister" flashing some ability in the "Texas vs. The Nation" practices... could be another intriguing Day 3 DT/NT option:

    8. Anthony White, DT, Michigan State (6014, 334 and 5.10 E): On Tuesday White flashed, but struggled with consistency, so today it was impressive to see him make big plays throughout today’s practice. For a 330+ pound DT, White’s initial quickness is shocking and enables him to get hands on OL before they are set to block. He consistently showed the strength to jolt and drive pass blocker backwards when he bull rushed and was able to anchor vs run blocks. His initial quickness, strength and hand use let White consistently defeat blocks to get backfield penetration to make plays behind the LOS. While White is far from a finished product, he showed today that he has the talent to be a starting nose tackle in the NFL when he plays with aggressiveness and good technique.

     




    He was a day 3 type of guy right? Might be worth a good look from this report

     



    That's how I referenced him above, haha.

     
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    I haven't seen the kid play much if at all, but I do think lack of statistics could reflect teams not wanting to throw to his side of the field, just a thought.  The lack of stats would be more alarming to me if it were an offensive skill guy or even a rush end not generating sacks, but DB can be tough to gauge based on that alone. 

     

     



    While normally I agree MB, it's feast or famine for the top players, his numbers are usually in the dead center of average. So, QB's aren't shying away from him if he's still putting up decent numbers. He gets a handful of picks a year, has decent tackle numbers, usually in the upper single digits lower double digits for PD's, and a handful of plays behind the line. These down the middle numbers in a bigger conference would look impressive but for a smaller/weaker conference they should be just middle of the road. He also missed all of 2010 and parts of 2012 because of injury which to me should be a major red flag

     




    Alford is someone I was lukewarm on heading into the Senior Bowl, but after seeing him at the Senior Bowl he solidified himself as a Late 2nd-Mid 3rd round player for me. He isn't great at anything, but he competes well. He has decent enough size, is pretty physical, and can definitely run as we saw on that KR. He also is good in short areas, has good COD/quickness, which BB likes. Not sure if he is someone BB will target, but in the Late 2-3 range, you could do worse, you could also probably do better. Especially in this draft.

     
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    The son of "The Minister" flashing some ability in the "Texas vs. The Nation" practices... could be another intriguing Day 3 DT/NT option:

    8. Anthony White, DT, Michigan State (6014, 334 and 5.10 E): On Tuesday White flashed, but struggled with consistency, so today it was impressive to see him make big plays throughout today’s practice. For a 330+ pound DT, White’s initial quickness is shocking and enables him to get hands on OL before they are set to block. He consistently showed the strength to jolt and drive pass blocker backwards when he bull rushed and was able to anchor vs run blocks. His initial quickness, strength and hand use let White consistently defeat blocks to get backfield penetration to make plays behind the LOS. While White is far from a finished product, he showed today that he has the talent to be a starting nose tackle in the NFL when he plays with aggressiveness and good technique.

     




    He was a day 3 type of guy right? Might be worth a good look from this report

     

     



    That's how I referenced him above, haha.

     




    Readings hard >.<

     
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    Below are some Day 3-URFA offensive players that interest me… most haven’t really been discussed… a few have a chance to be taken late on Day 2.

    QB- EJ Manuel- FSU

    QB- Collin Klein- KSU

    QB- Colby Cameron- LTU

    WR- TJ Moe- Missouri

    WR- Tavares King- Georgia

    WR- Sam McGuffie- Rice

    WR- Chad Bumphis- Miss State

    WR- Denard Robinson- Michigan

    WR- Zach Rogers- Tenn

    WR- Josh Boyce- TCU

     

    RB- Spencer Ware- LSU

    RB- Michael Ford- LSU

    RB- Knile Davis- Arkansas

    RB- Stefphon Jefferson- Nevada

     

    FB- Zach Line- SMU

    FB- Lonnie Pryor- FSU

    FB- Kyle Juszczyk- Harvard

     

    TE- Travis Kelce- Cincy

    TE- Nick Kasa- Colorado

    TE- Levine Toilolo- Stanford

    TE- Dion Sims- Michigan State

    TE- Vance McDonald- Rice

    TE- Michael Williams- Alabama

    TE- Joseph Fauria- UCLA




    I like this list of players a lot.

    At WR, Tavarres King is someone I like even as high as Round 4. He is a solid all-around player who can run good routes, and knows how to win on the outside. He isn't the best athlete, but he has solid quickness and decent speed on the outside. Also Chad Bumphis stood out to me at EW Shrine game, nice find.

    At TE, all those guys you mentioned are pretty good players. This TE class actually runs pretty deep. Toilolo out of Stanford has gotten very little pub and could be a nice target in the late rounds at this point. Kelce, Sims, McDonald and Williams I see in the 4th-5th range. Not sure I'd want to go that high for a TE this year, but it's possible.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

    Below are some Day 3-URFA offensive players that interest me… most haven’t really been discussed… a few have a chance to be taken late on Day 2.

    QB- EJ Manuel- FSU

    QB- Collin Klein- KSU

    QB- Colby Cameron- LTU

    WR- TJ Moe- Missouri

    WR- Tavarres King- Georgia

    WR- Sam McGuffie- Rice

    WR- Chad Bumphis- Miss State

    WR- Denard Robinson- Michigan

    WR- Zach Rogers- Tenn

    WR- Josh Boyce- TCU

     

    RB- Spencer Ware- LSU

    RB- Michael Ford- LSU

    RB- Knile Davis- Arkansas

    RB- Stefphon Jefferson- Nevada

     

    FB- Zach Line- SMU

    FB- Lonnie Pryor- FSU

    FB- Kyle Juszczyk- Harvard

     

    TE- Travis Kelce- Cincy

    TE- Nick Kasa- Colorado

    TE- Levine Toilolo- Stanford

    TE- Dion Sims- Michigan State

    TE- Vance McDonald- Rice

    TE- Michael Williams- Alabama

    TE- Joseph Fauria- UCLA




    I like Klein a lot. Though I doubt he'll ever be Brady I can see him being a player that people look at and wonder why he went in the 6th/7th

     
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