***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    I just read a projection for the 2013 comp picks on "Blogging the Beast" and they have us getting shut out this year.  I have no idea if this is an accurate projection or not, but they seemed pretty credible.  I was hoping for a 6th rounder or so for Green-Ellis, but looks like we may not get it.

     
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    I just read a projection for the 2013 comp picks on "Blogging the Beast" and they have us getting shut out this year.  I have no idea if this is an accurate projection or not, but they seemed pretty credible.  I was hoping for a 6th rounder or so for Green-Ellis, but looks like we may not get it.




    well Fenana cancelled out BJGE and I can't really think of anyone else we lost to FA (not released). I wouldn't expect to get any this year. If we loss Wes though and big no big names in I expect at least a 4th next year for Wes

     
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    There is no way Lattimore is there in the 7th.  McGahee went in the 1st despite his horrific injury and modern medicine has improved tremendously since then.  Not saying Lattimore will be a 1st rounder, but someone will take a flier on him well before the 7th imo.

     
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    There is no way Lattimore is there in the 7th.  McGahee went in the 1st despite his horrific injury and modern medicine has improved tremendously since then.  Not saying Lattimore will be a 1st rounder, but someone will take a flier on him well before the 7th imo.




    I'd bet money that he's off the board by the end of Day 2... at the very latest, end of Rd 4.

     
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    Below are some Day 3-URFA offensive players that interest me… most haven’t really been discussed… a few have a chance to be taken late on Day 2.

    QB- EJ Manuel- FSU

    QB- Collin Klein- KSU

    QB- Colby Cameron- LTU

    WR- TJ Moe- Missouri

    WR- Tavares King- Georgia

    WR- Sam McGuffie- Rice

    WR- Chad Bumphis- Miss State

    WR- Denard Robinson- Michigan

    WR- Zach Rogers- Tenn

    WR- Josh Boyce- TCU

     

    RB- Spencer Ware- LSU

    RB- Michael Ford- LSU

    RB- Knile Davis- Arkansas

    RB- Stefphon Jefferson- Nevada

     

    FB- Zach Line- SMU

    FB- Lonnie Pryor- FSU

    FB- Kyle Juszczyk- Harvard

     

    TE- Travis Kelce- Cincy

    TE- Nick Kasa- Colorado

    TE- Levine Toilolo- Stanford

    TE- Dion Sims- Michigan State

    TE- Vance McDonald- Rice

    TE- Michael Williams- Alabama

    TE- Joseph Fauria- UCLA

     




    I like this list of players a lot.

     

    At WR, Tavarres King is someone I like even as high as Round 4. He is a solid all-around player who can run good routes, and knows how to win on the outside. He isn't the best athlete, but he has solid quickness and decent speed on the outside. Also Chad Bumphis stood out to me at EW Shrine game, nice find.

    At TE, all those guys you mentioned are pretty good players. This TE class actually runs pretty deep. Toilolo out of Stanford has gotten very little pub and could be a nice target in the late rounds at this point. Kelce, Sims, McDonald and Williams I see in the 4th-5th range. Not sure I'd want to go that high for a TE this year, but it's possible.



    Class def has a ton of big bodied, upside prospects at the TE position.

     
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    Below are some Day 3-URFA offensive players that interest me… most haven’t really been discussed… a few have a chance to be taken late on Day 2.

    QB- EJ Manuel- FSU

    QB- Collin Klein- KSU

    QB- Colby Cameron- LTU

    WR- TJ Moe- Missouri

    WR- Tavarres King- Georgia

    WR- Sam McGuffie- Rice

    WR- Chad Bumphis- Miss State

    WR- Denard Robinson- Michigan

    WR- Zach Rogers- Tenn

    WR- Josh Boyce- TCU

     

    RB- Spencer Ware- LSU

    RB- Michael Ford- LSU

    RB- Knile Davis- Arkansas

    RB- Stefphon Jefferson- Nevada

     

    FB- Zach Line- SMU

    FB- Lonnie Pryor- FSU

    FB- Kyle Juszczyk- Harvard

     

    TE- Travis Kelce- Cincy

    TE- Nick Kasa- Colorado

    TE- Levine Toilolo- Stanford

    TE- Dion Sims- Michigan State

    TE- Vance McDonald- Rice

    TE- Michael Williams- Alabama

    TE- Joseph Fauria- UCLA

     




    I like Klein a lot. Though I doubt he'll ever be Brady I can see him being a player that people look at and wonder why he went in the 6th/7th

     

     




    Def a lot of work to do with his mechanics, but I love the size, intangibles and mobility... he was also ranked 10th nationally in YPA, so he does have some potential, IMO.

     
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    Watching some old Patriots games (SB2005) and looking at this year.  What stands out is the push from the DL and the edge rushing back then.  The other is outstanding safety play.  That was the year Troy Brown played CB and it seem Wilson and Harrison were everywhere always helping the CBs.  The DL always had a push and would always try to move the QB out of his comfort zone.  The Safeties didn't let anything get behind them.  Another was the chipping and hitting within 5 yards of the LOS.  Every play some one was doing that.  

    With that, I think a Safety and DT/DE will have to be #1 and#2 priority either in FA or Draft. I know some people want a WR, but I think the impact will be greater if these two are filled with quality players. This defense is very young, but not far off.

    In the first 3 rounds in the Patriots range:(no order on players)

    SAFETY                             DT                             DE or OLB34

    Reid                              Jenkins                       Montgomery

    Elam                             Williams, S                  Hunt

    Thomas                         Williams, B                  Goodman

    Rambo                          Short                          Carradine, Tank

    Jefferson                                                         Jenkins, B

    Cyprien                                                           Simon, J

     

    There is probably more, I'll keep looking.  There will also be risers and fallers, for sure.

     
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    Below is my updated and expanded Big 40, new additions highlighted in Red:

     

    Rd 1

    DT- Jesse Williams

    DT- John Hankins

    S- Matt Elam

    OG- Jonathan Cooper

    DT- Sylvester Williams

    WR- DeAndre Hopkins

     

    Rd 1-2

    CB- Logan Ryan

    CB- Desmond Trufant

    OL- Barrett Jones

    CB- Xavier Rhodes

    DT- John Jenkins

     

    Rd 2

    DE/OLB- Tank Carradine

    WR- Quinton Patton

    CB- Jordan Poyer

    C/OG- Travis Frederick

    WR- Robert Woods

     

    Rd 2-3

    S- Jon Cyprien

    CB- Jamar Taylor

    WR/PR- Ace Sanders

    WR- Stedman Bailey

    WR- Markus Wheaton

    LB- Kiko Alonso

     

    Rd 3

    DE/OLB- Lavar Edwards

    S- Bacarri Rambo

    S- Shawn Williams

    DE/OLB- Michael Buchanan

    WR- Ryan Swope

    OG- Brian Winters

    CB- Darius Slay

     

    Rd 4-7

    S- Josh Evans

    WR- Conner Vernon

    S- Zeke Motta

    DL- Quinton Dial

    DL- Kapron Lewis-Moore

    DT- Josh Boyd

    TE- Travis Kelce

    S- Cooper Taylor

    RB- Spencer Ware

    WR- TJ Moe

    DT- Anthony White

     

     
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    We did lose Mark Anderson but whats his actual worth? If we lose Talib next year they will get a 3rd round pick.

     

    I just read a projection for the 2013 comp picks on "Blogging the Beast" and they have us getting shut out this year.  I have no idea if this is an accurate projection or not, but they seemed pretty credible.  I was hoping for a 6th rounder or so for Green-Ellis, but looks like we may not get it.

     




    well Fenana cancelled out BJGE and I can't really think of anyone else we lost to FA (not released). I wouldn't expect to get any this year. If we loss Wes though and big no big names in I expect at least a 4th next year for Wes

     




     
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    We did lose Mark Anderson but whats his actual worth? If we lose Talib next year they will get a 3rd round pick.

     

    I just read a projection for the 2013 comp picks on "Blogging the Beast" and they have us getting shut out this year.  I have no idea if this is an accurate projection or not, but they seemed pretty credible.  I was hoping for a 6th rounder or so for Green-Ellis, but looks like we may not get it.

     




    well Fenana cancelled out BJGE and I can't really think of anyone else we lost to FA (not released). I wouldn't expect to get any this year. If we loss Wes though and big no big names in I expect at least a 4th next year for Wes

     




     
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    In response to PatsEng's comment:

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    We did lose Mark Anderson but whats his actual worth? If we lose Talib next year they will get a 3rd round pick.

     

    I just read a projection for the 2013 comp picks on "Blogging the Beast" and they have us getting shut out this year.  I have no idea if this is an accurate projection or not, but they seemed pretty credible.  I was hoping for a 6th rounder or so for Green-Ellis, but looks like we may not get it.

     




    well Fenana cancelled out BJGE and I can't really think of anyone else we lost to FA (not released). I wouldn't expect to get any this year. If we loss Wes though and big no big names in I expect at least a 4th next year for Wes

     




     
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    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2013/01/30/what-lies-ahead-for-the-patriots/aqGb4wL0xuU0XqPENmr0BM/story.html?pg=9

     

    According to Boston.com, the Pats need a 3rd down ILB who can cover.  Thoughts on who that could be?

     
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    http://www.draftcountdown.com/Rankings/ILB.php

    Minter, Johnson, and Wort all seem pretty fast according to this chart.

     
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    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2013/01/30/what-lies-ahead-for-the-patriots/aqGb4wL0xuU0XqPENmr0BM/story.html?pg=9

     

    According to Boston.com, the Pats need a 3rd down ILB who can cover.  Thoughts on who that could be?



    its one of our many needs, i would not use one of our 3 picks for it (its probably last or 2nd to last on my 6 or so needs for pats)

     
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    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2013/01/30/what-lies-ahead-for-the-patriots/aqGb4wL0xuU0XqPENmr0BM/story.html?pg=9

     

    According to Boston.com, the Pats need a 3rd down ILB who can cover.  Thoughts on who that could be?



    its one of our many needs, i would not use one of our 3 picks for it (its probably last or 2nd to last on my 6 or so needs for pats)

     

     




     

    It's not just about having a quick ILB who can cover on 3rd down. The game is changing. The utility of that cover ILB will soon be, if not yet, beyond 3rd down. Who do you want your ILB to be when...

    1) ...Playing a team who throws 35+ or even 40+ a game? I am pretty sure that even a team that does not throw much will try to challenge NE's passing D, throwing more than they normally do. Last year 4 teams averaged more than 40 passes a game; 15 averaged more than 35. Just below 35 a game are GBP, HOU and STL - teams whose QBs are not bad. 

    2) ...Playing a team who has a good receiving TE? Note that in previous years, you'd seldom have more than 3 TEs in the top 20 receivers (on yards). Last year, there were there were three in the top 10. Gronk was not even there. If that does not concern you, look at the crop of TEs entering the draft this year. They're pretty good. 

    Actually, let me ask you guys this...

    Who would he Pats have on our front 7 if the Pats knew that the other team will be throwing 40+ times?

     
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    mb,

    i see a number of mockers beginning to give one of one of my top receivers (and yours)  hopkins to the pats.

    i still have elite pass rusher as #1 need and if not picked up in fa, its #1 in draft.

    big cb and big wr (the rest of top 3 needs i see [players at these positions ive listed throughout this thread]).

     
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    mb,

    i see a number of mockers beginning to give one of one of my top receivers (and yours)  hopkins to the pats.

    i still have elite pass rusher as #1 need and if not picked up in fa, its #1 in draft.

    big cb and big wr (the rest of top 3 needs i see [players at these positions ive listed throughout this thread]).



    Hopkins certainly makes a ton of sense from a talent/need perspective.

    I have others rated ahead of him, but would be pretty excited to hear his name called for NE on Day 1.

     
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    Another big WR and fast:

    The name making the rounds in the scouting community as one of the biggest sleepers at the receiver position is Courtney Gardner of Sierra College.  The 6-foot, 3-inch/220lb pass catcher was expected to play for Oklahoma in 2013 but opted for the NFL draft after academic “difficulties”.  We hear scouts have been raving about the physical skills Gardner brings to the field.  Besides his large frame the big pass catcher also has the speed (10.7 sec in the 100 meters) to match.  Even college coaches in the area are awed by his ability on the field but focusing at the task at hand seems to be an issue.

    http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=6730

     
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    Another big WR and fast:

    The name making the rounds in the scouting community as one of the biggest sleepers at the receiver position is Courtney Gardner of Sierra College.  The 6-foot, 3-inch/220lb pass catcher was expected to play for Oklahoma in 2013 but opted for the NFL draft after academic “difficulties”.  We hear scouts have been raving about the physical skills Gardner brings to the field.  Besides his large frame the big pass catcher also has the speed (10.7 sec in the 100 meters) to match.  Even college coaches in the area are awed by his ability on the field but focusing at the task at hand seems to be an issue.

    http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=6730



    Could be a huge issue with NE's complex offense, where NFL veterans can have trouble picking up the nuances.

     
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    I think Fresno State's Phillip Thomas could be the most complete FS in the draft, and exactly what BB is looking for at that position.  At 6'1"  215 he has the frame to be a physical defender, but he has also shown tremendous ball skills and coverage skills.  He was also a team captain for Fresno.  Getting him late 2nd round would be very good value.  The only reason he could even fall that far is because he isn't known as a great open-field tackler.

     
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    Another big WR and fast:

    The name making the rounds in the scouting community as one of the biggest sleepers at the receiver position is Courtney Gardner of Sierra College.  The 6-foot, 3-inch/220lb pass catcher was expected to play for Oklahoma in 2013 but opted for the NFL draft after academic “difficulties”.  We hear scouts have been raving about the physical skills Gardner brings to the field.  Besides his large frame the big pass catcher also has the speed (10.7 sec in the 100 meters) to match.  Even college coaches in the area are awed by his ability on the field but focusing at the task at hand seems to be an issue.

    http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=6730

     



    Could be a huge issue with NE's complex offense, where NFL veterans can have trouble picking up the nuances.

     



    Good point!

     
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    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2013/01/30/what-lies-ahead-for-the-patriots/aqGb4wL0xuU0XqPENmr0BM/story.html?pg=9

     

    According to Boston.com, the Pats need a 3rd down ILB who can cover.  Thoughts on who that could be?



    its one of our many needs, i would not use one of our 3 picks for it (its probably last or 2nd to last on my 6 or so needs for pats)

     

     




     

    It's not just about having a quick ILB who can cover on 3rd down. The game is changing. The utility of that cover ILB will soon be, if not yet, beyond 3rd down. Who do you want your ILB to be when...

    1) ...Playing a team who throws 35+ or even 40+ a game? I am pretty sure that even a team that does not throw much will try to challenge NE's passing D, throwing more than they normally do. Last year 4 teams averaged more than 40 passes a game; 15 averaged more than 35. Just below 35 a game are GBP, HOU and STL - teams whose QBs are not bad. 

    2) ...Playing a team who has a good receiving TE? Note that in previous years, you'd seldom have more than 3 TEs in the top 20 receivers (on yards). Last year, there were there were three in the top 10. Gronk was not even there. If that does not concern you, look at the crop of TEs entering the draft this year. They're pretty good. 

    Actually, let me ask you guys this...

    Who would he Pats have on our front 7 if the Pats knew that the other team will be throwing 40+ times?



    It does accentuate the need for hybrid defenders which is why I think BB puts so much value in a players versatility and situational football. 

     
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    I think Fresno State's Phillip Thomas could be the most complete FS in the draft, and exactly what BB is looking for at that position.  At 6'1"  215 he has the frame to be a physical defender, but he has also shown tremendous ball skills and coverage skills.  He was also a team captain for Fresno.  Getting him late 2nd round would be very good value.  The only reason he could even fall that far is because he isn't known as a great open-field tackler.




    I think he's in the discussion for Day 2 safeties, yes.

     
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