***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    It could be argued that the majority of contributors here would strongly consider the Pats drafting a DL in the first round...providing that we get good value at that pick. Questions continue to be raised about the potential contributions of CFL DL Armond Armstead, a surprising late season acquisition.

    So what are the positives about Armstead?  As a USC 2008 recruit he was considered a 4-star acquision having been rated the 10th best football player in California as well as the 10 best DL nationally.  Much was expected of this 6'4", 287lb wonder.

    Armond saw only sporatic PT in his freshman and sophomore seasons but started to flash in his junior year. His quickness at both DE and DT seemed to justify his recruitment and suggested potential stardom.  His untimely heart attack changed his future when doctors banned him from football.  His heart attack was later blamed on medical doctors injecting him with Toradol, a pain killer. He was not drafted by the NFL for similar concerns.

    Armstead was signed in the CFL a year later and restarted his football career.  Having risen to the distinction of an ALL-STAR as a DL he drew the attention of teams in the NFL.  Statistically his performance could only be considered AVERAGE but he appeared to be both athletic and fast when compared to his peers.  He appeared to be operating at a higher gear but what could be his NFL position?  His 6'4" size and excellent reach along with 287lb weight suggested DE yet his speed in the 40 (5.0+) was too slow for the NFL where speeds of 4.7 are considered desireable.

    No, the Pats interest in Armstead was as a situational inside pass rusher where his 5.0 forty speed would be considered fast relative to the OL he would face.  Already having demonstrated a quick first step and excellent lateral movement he could be expected to penetrate. His 6'4" frame and excellent reach along with very  admirable jumping ability could block passing lanes ala Watt. He could supply the missing element in passing situations.  As such, his ceiling could be considerable.

    Armstead appeared "fast" in college and the CFL as a DE because the level of competition did not compare with the NFL. His statistics in college and the CFL did not indicate dominance.  Yet he did show improvement and flashes of what could be a higher ceiling.  As such he was signed with about as much promise as a 7th round draft choice that could make the grade.

     




    The thing I'm consistently cautioning people against, when it comes to Armstead, is that he never lived up to his potential in college. He showed flashes but it didn't look like the effort was always there. Now things could have change, admittedly didn't watch him in the CFL, but the Pats among a number of teams worked him out last April as a potential UDFA. Even with the heart attack many teams would be willing to take a red shirt year on a 4 star kid unless there were other concerns, such as on field effort, work ethic, and aquired moves beyond physical dominance. The Pats clearly decided that Forston was a better option then Amstead and the Pats are one of the teams who have in the past taken red shirt kids with high upside just to stash them for next year. If what they saw wasn't enough and they wanted to see what he had after another year then it was more then just health concerns involved. Now I see him as a camp body and potential Pryor/Deadrick replacement but until he proves what he has against top NFL talent I don't consider him a solution to any problem. The other telling thing is the contract he signs barely puts him in the top 51 contract territory so if he doesn't even qualify for the top 53 at the end of camp he can be released during camp with no penalities. If he has the potential most believe he does then I'd have to believe he'd get a better offer from another team with more space to take the hit. There is just to much out there that says to me they view him as nothing more then a high upside talent type of player who help remove enough red flags to warrent a look in camp. But, BB doesn't streak me as a person who puts all his eggs into one basket and to me will still target DL early in the draft or FA and if Amstead works out then great we built tremendous depth at little cost, if he doesn't then you weren't counting on him to begin with so no issues.

     

     

      The bottom line is that the acquisition of Armond Armstead should not influence our drafting priorities.  His level of predictability as to a successful NFL transition remains low.  Had his performance statistics at college and in the CFL been remarkable by showing a high degree of dominance one  might feel otherwise.  


     



    I think most would agree.

     
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    Interesting mock draft from Daniel Jeremiah on NFL.com

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100

    Has Hankins falling all the way to us. Now I think this guy has smoked way to much to think Hankins falling to #29 is it even possible? If so would you even entertain offers for the pick or be breaking arms of anyone in the way to turn in the pick the moment #28 is chosen?

    Myself, there would be many broken arms. I'd rather have Richardson as I think he'd fill the need better (interior rusher) but Hankins would be a nice addition more so then the other DT's we've been discussing (Jenkins, Floyd, both Williams, Short)

     
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    Belichick is playing with Brian Kelly in this weekend's Pebble Beach National Pro-Am... hopefully laying the foundation for the South Bend to Foxboro pipeline!

     



    we can only hope :)

     

    get abck to you on you query. gotta run.

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    Def something I'd love to see... not a bad thing that he's plugged in with (3) of the best programs in the country (Bama, OSU, ND)!

     

    Sounds good, lates man.

     



    specially with what nd has next year (and years thereafter if kelly is there).

     

     



    Some def Day 1 talent on the horizon with DL- Stephon Tuitt and DT Louis Nix to go along wth projected Day 2 kids in OLB Prince Shembo, CB Bennett Jackson, OT Zack Martin.

     

     



    i know where to go for the evals. nix at teh top of that list talentwise?

     

    order of nd players youd most like on pats?

     



    Tuitt is their top overall prospect... Richar Seymour type size/skill set/talent.

     

    Based on that list, I'd rank them in order of want:  Tuitt, Nix, Jackson, Shembo, Martin.

     



    is tuit going to be a top 5 player (out of reach)?

     

    ive heard people say pats should trade brady for the # 1 pick after the draft order is estab. next year for clowney.

    i want manziel or eqivelent.

    bruce smith didnt win a championship for the bills

     

     



    Tuitt has Top 5 potential, should at least be Top 10-15.

     

    I hadn't heard that Brady for the top pick rumor, where did you hear that?  In today's media world, it wouldn't surprise me as anyone with a computer can have a blog and through trade/thoughts ideas out there, I'm just not sure if there's any merit to it... I also think a team would be out of their mind to do so with young, potential franchise kids like Bridgewater and Manziel out there.

    Teddy Bridgewater is another QB to watch out for next year... kid's the real deal.

    Bruce Smith didn't win championships for the bills, but Jim Kelly didn't either so that the argument goes both ways.

    hey man,
    not a rumor, just talk.

    my point re clowney was him wihtout a top qb might not bring a championship.

     

     
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    Could Johnathan banks come to the 29th pick?

     




    I think he could be available, yes.  His positives are his size, ball skills and versatility (could prob play both CB and S at the NFL level), while on the negative side, he's not the physical player that his size would indicate and that he'll need some work in off/zone coverage.

     

     



    if we have Banks, Elam, Rhodes and Trufant avaible in the 29th who would you select?

     

     



    I'm on Elam under this scenario.  There's good depth at both S and CB in this class, but he's rated the highest on my board.

     

    Of my Big 40, I have Logan Ryan as my #1 CB, followed by Trufant, Poyer and Rhodes.  Rhodes is an intriguing kid based on his ability in press and would prob have him higher if we knew that BB was looking to go that route... I just think Ryan, Trufant and Poyer project better to what NE likes to do today, which is more zone/off, etc.



    wit htalib on the field, bb played more man press with he and dennard. going that way woudl make our de better i feel.

     
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    Could Johnathan banks come to the 29th pick?

     




    I think he could be available, yes.  His positives are his size, ball skills and versatility (could prob play both CB and S at the NFL level), while on the negative side, he's not the physical player that his size would indicate and that he'll need some work in off/zone coverage.

     

     



    if we have Banks, Elam, Rhodes and Trufant avaible in the 29th who would you select?

     

     



    I'm on Elam under this scenario.  There's good depth at both S and CB in this class, but he's rated the highest on my board.

     

    Of my Big 40, I have Logan Ryan as my #1 CB, followed by Trufant, Poyer and Rhodes.  Rhodes is an intriguing kid based on his ability in press and would prob have him higher if we knew that BB was looking to go that route... I just think Ryan, Trufant and Poyer project better to what NE likes to do today, which is more zone/off, etc.

     



    wit htalib on the field, bb played more man press with he and dennard. going that way woudl make our de better i feel.

     



    yeah, and if we can pressure QBs our DB will look better

     
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    Aaron Dobson? is this kid a great fit? in the second or third?

     




    I have a 2nd-3rd round grade.  He should be there when the PATs pick in the 2nd round.  I could see BB taking a WR in the 2nd.

     

     

     



    me too, with a pass rusher or cb in rd 1

     

     



    Bred, I am leaning S, WR, DE/OLB or DT, it would be a dream if Vaccaro dropped. (I am assuming we keep Talib and Vollmer)  What I don't know is how many QBs will be taken.  If teams overdrafted for QBs we could see some talent fall unexpectedly.

     

     




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    "If teams overdrafted for QBs we could see some talent fall unexpectedly."

    hear ya, ive been saying and hoping same since the thread opened.

    with fewer picks i dotn seee safety inmproving the team as top cb, pass rusher, wr.

    i do like vaccaro.

     
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    Aaron Dobson? is this kid a great fit? in the second or third?

     




    I have a 2nd-3rd round grade.  He should be there when the PATs pick in the 2nd round.  I could see BB taking a WR in the 2nd.

     

     

     



    me too, with a pass rusher or cb in rd 1

     

     



    Bred, I am leaning S, WR, DE/OLB or DT, it would be a dream if Vaccaro dropped. (I am assuming we keep Talib and Vollmer)  What I don't know is how many QBs will be taken.  If teams overdrafted for QBs we could see some talent fall unexpectedly.

     

     




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    "If teams overdrafted for QBs we could see some talent fall unexpectedly."

    hear ya, ive been saying and hoping same since the thread opened.

    with fewer picks i dotn seee safety inmproving the team as top cb, pass rusher, wr.

    i do like vaccaro.



    if the kid isn`t avaible who would u pick?

     
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    Aaron Dobson? is this kid a great fit? in the second or third?

     




    I have a 2nd-3rd round grade.  He should be there when the PATs pick in the 2nd round.  I could see BB taking a WR in the 2nd.

     

     

     



    me too, with a pass rusher or cb in rd 1

     

     



    Bred, I am leaning S, WR, DE/OLB or DT, it would be a dream if Vaccaro dropped. (I am assuming we keep Talib and Vollmer)  What I don't know is how many QBs will be taken.  If teams overdrafted for QBs we could see some talent fall unexpectedly.

     

     




    jj,

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    "If teams overdrafted for QBs we could see some talent fall unexpectedly."

    hear ya, ive been saying and hoping same since the thread opened.

    with fewer picks i dotn seee safety inmproving the team as top cb, pass rusher, wr.

    i do like vaccaro.

     



    if the kid isn`t avaible who would u pick?

     



    are you talking overall or at safety.

    i try to get a psss rusher in fa, and safety if possible. byrd goldson. restructure brady, fork, mankins

    in rd1 1, if i have a pass rusher im looking top cb, ie rhodes (along with keeping talib) dennard and dowling for 3 and 4 cb, providing dennard stays out of jail.

    if no pass ruhser in fa, im looking pass rusher ansah, jordan, detone jones, carradine, okafor or floyd /syl williams

     
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    Interesting mock draft from Daniel Jeremiah on NFL.com

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100

    Has Hankins falling all the way to us. Now I think this guy has smoked way to much to think Hankins falling to #29 is it even possible? If so would you even entertain offers for the pick or be breaking arms of anyone in the way to turn in the pick the moment #28 is chosen?

    Myself, there would be many broken arms. I'd rather have Richardson as I think he'd fill the need better (interior rusher) but Hankins would be a nice addition more so then the other DT's we've been discussing (Jenkins, Floyd, both Williams, Short)



    Certainly not a guarantee that he'd be there, but I do think it's possible.

    I agree that it would be pretty tough to pass on him if he's available and you know BB will get the inside scoop from Urban/Vrabel.

     
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    Interesting mock draft from Daniel Jeremiah on NFL.com

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100

    Has Hankins falling all the way to us. Now I think this guy has smoked way to much to think Hankins falling to #29 is it even possible? If so would you even entertain offers for the pick or be breaking arms of anyone in the way to turn in the pick the moment #28 is chosen?

    Myself, there would be many broken arms. I'd rather have Richardson as I think he'd fill the need better (interior rusher) but Hankins would be a nice addition more so then the other DT's we've been discussing (Jenkins, Floyd, both Williams, Short)

     



    Certainly not a guarantee that he'd be there, but I do think it's possible.

     

    I agree that it would be pretty tough to pass on him if he's available and you know BB will get the inside scoop from Urban/Vrabel.




    Jeremiah is actually a pretty well respected guy in the media circles. Spent years as a scout for CLE, PHI and BAL. This is his first year at NFLN. He has a refreshing view on players. His mock is also indicative of his own evaluations and what he hears from the league, so while it might not be in line with other mocks at this point, it is pretty unfair to say it isn't possible that Hankins won't fall to 29. Is it likely? No. But definitely possible, in a deep DL draft, and if things fall right on draft day.

     
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    Could Johnathan banks come to the 29th pick?

     




    I think he could be available, yes.  His positives are his size, ball skills and versatility (could prob play both CB and S at the NFL level), while on the negative side, he's not the physical player that his size would indicate and that he'll need some work in off/zone coverage.

     

     



    if we have Banks, Elam, Rhodes and Trufant avaible in the 29th who would you select?

     

     



    I'm on Elam under this scenario.  There's good depth at both S and CB in this class, but he's rated the highest on my board.

     

    Of my Big 40, I have Logan Ryan as my #1 CB, followed by Trufant, Poyer and Rhodes.  Rhodes is an intriguing kid based on his ability in press and would prob have him higher if we knew that BB was looking to go that route... I just think Ryan, Trufant and Poyer project better to what NE likes to do today, which is more zone/off, etc.

     



    wit htalib on the field, bb played more man press with he and dennard. going that way woudl make our de better i feel.

     

     



    yeah, and if we can pressure QBs our DB will look better

     




    Personally, I have Rhodes then Banks then Trufant at CB. But they are all pretty close and all guys I could see with the Patriots for any number of reasons. If Rhodes is there at 29, I'd love for him to be the pick. Can play press-man effectively, but also is comfortable in zone. For a player his size at cornerback, he has pretty damn good athleticism. He has good long speed, and has pretty good COD/quickness.

    With or without Talib, I'd love for us to add Rhodes if he is there (obviously depending on what else is on the board, and what we do in FA). But Talib and Rhodes at CB would make for two pretty special man coverage CBs, throw Dennard in the slot, with McCourty and Gregory/Wilson at safety and you have a pretty good staple of DBs.

     
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    and the problematic kid Tyrann Mathieu this kid appear talented but... too many off field issues

     
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    Just a note on Armstead - his first year is guaranteed money not something that back end draft picks get, so there is a little more 'commitment' from the team. And I don't think his medical issues were 'resolved' in time for any NFL team to even take a look at him last year - not aware of any. So comparison to other UFAs is a little unfair.

    All that said - no, the Pats aren't seeing him as a savior, but have committed more to him than they will to their 7th round picks this year or to any of the futures contracts they signed in the last month.

     
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     The guaranteed first year of Armstead's 3 year contract was for a modest $405,000.  It will give the Patriots a year to gauge Armonds ability to

    !. Gain 15-20lbs of muscle to better compete against larger OL without sacrificing his quick first step, lateral mobility etc.

    2. Learn more sophisticated and varied rushing techniques

    3. Compete against NFL talent, strength, football IQ and determine if he has the motor and endurance, commitment to succeed

    4. Determine if his skill set fits the Patriots needs

     

     

     
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    Could Johnathan banks come to the 29th pick?

     




    I think he could be available, yes.  His positives are his size, ball skills and versatility (could prob play both CB and S at the NFL level), while on the negative side, he's not the physical player that his size would indicate and that he'll need some work in off/zone coverage.

     

     



    if we have Banks, Elam, Rhodes and Trufant avaible in the 29th who would you select?

     

     



    I'm on Elam under this scenario.  There's good depth at both S and CB in this class, but he's rated the highest on my board.

     

    Of my Big 40, I have Logan Ryan as my #1 CB, followed by Trufant, Poyer and Rhodes.  Rhodes is an intriguing kid based on his ability in press and would prob have him higher if we knew that BB was looking to go that route... I just think Ryan, Trufant and Poyer project better to what NE likes to do today, which is more zone/off, etc.

     



    wit htalib on the field, bb played more man press with he and dennard. going that way woudl make our de better i feel.

     

     



    yeah, and if we can pressure QBs our DB will look better

     

     




     

    Personally, I have Rhodes then Banks then Trufant at CB. But they are all pretty close and all guys I could see with the Patriots for any number of reasons. If Rhodes is there at 29, I'd love for him to be the pick. Can play press-man effectively, but also is comfortable in zone. For a player his size at cornerback, he has pretty damn good athleticism. He has good long speed, and has pretty good COD/quickness.

    With or without Talib, I'd love for us to add Rhodes if he is there (obviously depending on what else is on the board, and what we do in FA). But Talib and Rhodes at CB would make for two pretty special man coverage CBs, throw Dennard in the slot, with McCourty and Gregory/Wilson at safety and you have a pretty good staple of DBs.




    "With or without Talib, I'd love for us to add Rhodes if he is there (obviously depending on what else is on the board, and what we do in FA). But Talib and Rhodes at CB would make for two pretty special man coverage CBs, "

    hey man,

    ive been posting this thought for several weeks here.

     
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    holy crap, nfp new mock has ansah going at #2. what are you trying to do with my pats pick man!

    better than werner?

    drop werner to 29 and id be fine with that :)

     

    they drop (draft) all my guys well before the pats, they give a good argument for taking hunt. a reach, but if he becomes jj watt lite it would be a good move!

     
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    ourlads new mock also drops all my guys but vaccaro (31), (jones 32) early and give pats fluker rt

     
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    Interesting mock draft from Daniel Jeremiah on NFL.com

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100

    Has Hankins falling all the way to us. Now I think this guy has smoked way to much to think Hankins falling to #29 is it even possible? If so would you even entertain offers for the pick or be breaking arms of anyone in the way to turn in the pick the moment #28 is chosen?

    Myself, there would be many broken arms. I'd rather have Richardson as I think he'd fill the need better (interior rusher) but Hankins would be a nice addition more so then the other DT's we've been discussing (Jenkins, Floyd, both Williams, Short)

     



    Certainly not a guarantee that he'd be there, but I do think it's possible.

     

    I agree that it would be pretty tough to pass on him if he's available and you know BB will get the inside scoop from Urban/Vrabel.

     




     

    Jeremiah is actually a pretty well respected guy in the media circles. Spent years as a scout for CLE, PHI and BAL. This is his first year at NFLN. He has a refreshing view on players. His mock is also indicative of his own evaluations and what he hears from the league, so while it might not be in line with other mocks at this point, it is pretty unfair to say it isn't possible that Hankins won't fall to 29. Is it likely? No. But definitely possible, in a deep DL draft, and if things fall right on draft day.




    Though I inferred I don't think it was possible there still is the possibility which is why I asked the question. I didn't know Jeremiah was a former scout but I'd like to hear why he think Hankins would drop so much. From everything I hear he's one of the top 3 DT's in the draft and a clear teir above S Williams and Short who he has going before Hankins. Like I said I'd love for it to happen I just don't see it happening unless he completely blows it at the combine or pro-day

     
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    holy crap, nfp new mock has ansah going at #2. what are you trying to do with my pats pick man!

    better than werner?

    drop werner to 29 and id be fine with that :)

     

    they drop (draft) all my guys well before the pats, they give a good argument for taking hunt. a reach, but if he becomes jj watt lite it would be a good move!




    Major reach for Hunt and Ziggy.  But you know they will blow up the combine and at least Hunt will go higher.  He would be a solid late 2nd rd pick for NE.

     
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    Interesting mock draft from Daniel Jeremiah on NFL.com

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100

    Has Hankins falling all the way to us. Now I think this guy has smoked way to much to think Hankins falling to #29 is it even possible? If so would you even entertain offers for the pick or be breaking arms of anyone in the way to turn in the pick the moment #28 is chosen?

    Myself, there would be many broken arms. I'd rather have Richardson as I think he'd fill the need better (interior rusher) but Hankins would be a nice addition more so then the other DT's we've been discussing (Jenkins, Floyd, both Williams, Short)

     



    Certainly not a guarantee that he'd be there, but I do think it's possible.

     

    I agree that it would be pretty tough to pass on him if he's available and you know BB will get the inside scoop from Urban/Vrabel.

     




     

    Jeremiah is actually a pretty well respected guy in the media circles. Spent years as a scout for CLE, PHI and BAL. This is his first year at NFLN. He has a refreshing view on players. His mock is also indicative of his own evaluations and what he hears from the league, so while it might not be in line with other mocks at this point, it is pretty unfair to say it isn't possible that Hankins won't fall to 29. Is it likely? No. But definitely possible, in a deep DL draft, and if things fall right on draft day.

     




    Though I inferred I don't think it was possible there still is the possibility which is why I asked the question. I didn't know Jeremiah was a former scout but I'd like to hear why he think Hankins would drop so much. From everything I hear he's one of the top 3 DT's in the draft and a clear teir above S Williams and Short who he has going before Hankins. Like I said I'd love for it to happen I just don't see it happening unless he completely blows it at the combine or pro-day

     




    I see where you are coming from. I don't think Hankins will fall at this point either, but I think it is pretty interesting considering he is a former scout and bases his evaluations off what he hears from the league + what he sees himself on tape.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    In response to bredbru's comment:

    holy crap, nfp new mock has ansah going at #2. what are you trying to do with my pats pick man!

    better than werner?

    drop werner to 29 and id be fine with that :)

     

    they drop (draft) all my guys well before the pats, they give a good argument for taking hunt. a reach, but if he becomes jj watt lite it would be a good move!




    To me, mentioning Margus Hunt in the same sentence is an absolute crime. I had Watt as a Top 5 player in the class he came out. I'd be pretty pissed if we took Hunt anywhere in the first 3 rounds much less in the first round.

     
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    I find it comical on CBS Sports, both analysts have the Chiefs taking Geno Smith - come on?

    That would be a huge stretch - anyone really believe it might happen? Take Joekel, then draft a QB - even Barkley would be better than Cassell, and I was pulling for him. 

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Interesting mock draft from Daniel Jeremiah on NFL.com

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100

    Has Hankins falling all the way to us. Now I think this guy has smoked way to much to think Hankins falling to #29 is it even possible? If so would you even entertain offers for the pick or be breaking arms of anyone in the way to turn in the pick the moment #28 is chosen?

    Myself, there would be many broken arms. I'd rather have Richardson as I think he'd fill the need better (interior rusher) but Hankins would be a nice addition more so then the other DT's we've been discussing (Jenkins, Floyd, both Williams, Short)

     



    Certainly not a guarantee that he'd be there, but I do think it's possible.

     

    I agree that it would be pretty tough to pass on him if he's available and you know BB will get the inside scoop from Urban/Vrabel.

     




     

    Jeremiah is actually a pretty well respected guy in the media circles. Spent years as a scout for CLE, PHI and BAL. This is his first year at NFLN. He has a refreshing view on players. His mock is also indicative of his own evaluations and what he hears from the league, so while it might not be in line with other mocks at this point, it is pretty unfair to say it isn't possible that Hankins won't fall to 29. Is it likely? No. But definitely possible, in a deep DL draft, and if things fall right on draft day.

     




    Though I inferred I don't think it was possible there still is the possibility which is why I asked the question. I didn't know Jeremiah was a former scout but I'd like to hear why he think Hankins would drop so much. From everything I hear he's one of the top 3 DT's in the draft and a clear teir above S Williams and Short who he has going before Hankins. Like I said I'd love for it to happen I just don't see it happening unless he completely blows it at the combine or pro-day

     

     




     

    I see where you are coming from. I don't think Hankins will fall at this point either, but I think it is pretty interesting considering he is a former scout and bases his evaluations off what he hears from the league + what he sees himself on tape.




    I believe it boils down to the mocker's perception of the type of DT that each team is seeking. 

    My opinion based purely on my observations from watching 2 OSU games, 2 Purdue games, 1 FLA game and 1 mizzou + Senior Bowl: Hankins is big and strong but I find his style a bit on the sluggish side as opposed to the more explosive. He may be capable of explosivenes, but in the games I saw, I thought his natural tendency was to be that way. Could well be a function of where he's asked to line up or what he's asked to do (more classic NT vs DT). Short, Richardson, Floyd, on the other hand, all showed explosive ability to shoot through to the backfield. You can argue that every one has questions about consistency achieving that but you can tell that these three are more wired to make their way through. 

    Perhaps this Jeremiah guy thinks the teams looking for interior men are looking for the shooting type more than the anchor type (If that's the case, I like that he's making a distinction. Sometimes I think most people just look at interior men the same way). 

    Peronally, I want the Pats to get the type who can do both well (like Ngata, when playing alongside another big body, or even VW as he's shown once in a while), but Star is the only one I see to be that. It's possible that Jenkins can be that. He's big enough and shows every now and then to have the motor to shoot through. I am am also curious to see if B Williams can develop into that (very hard to evaluate becasue ow where he played, but seems to have the leg quickness and power; If he got a combine invite, he could be this year's Poe).

    BTW, Rang at CBSsports thinks Star does not get picked until NYJ. I would not like that.

     

     

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    In response to ricky12684's comment:

    i like hunt until i found out he is 25 years old. a raw 21-22 year old is one thing, a raw 25 year old is another.




    I think this is a fair point, Ricky... granted the kid is new to the game and his mileage is relatively low, but he is a long ways away from being a consistent contributor, IMO.

    Rd 3 is the earliest I'd touch him.

     
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