Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***
posted at 2/14/2013 1:25 PM EST
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I'm smelling a BB special : At 29 if they remain there Barrett Jones.
would you spend a 1 round in a offensive lineman? we are good at OL not great but good
In our situation, I'd draft the Best Player Available that isn't a QB or TE in the 1st round, if we can't trade back. If we do in fact pick at #29 and the best player on the board in BB's eyes is an O-Lineman, then that's fine by me.
I don't like the BPA logic when it comes to BB and the draft. It seems in the first when he goes that route he tends to fall on his face, but when he drafts for need he hits homeruns.
Watson, Maroney, Meriweather were all BPA type of players. Wilfork, Mccourty, Jones, Mayo, Mankins were all need type of picks. One thing about BB though is, with the exception of Brace and Cunningham he is dead on when drafting front 7 players in the first 2 rounds. I'd still let him target a DL first and foremost over any other position, I wouldn't touch WR in the 1st, after that though I'd be willing to take BPA between CB and OL
I don't remember on Watson but Maroney and Meriweather were absolutely NEED picks that year. Unfortunatley for the Patriots, as is often the case, Nelson and Griffin were already gone. Also unfortunately they just chose the wrong RB, they took the platoon guy over the guy who was unstopable in college even though he was the only real weapon his team had on offense.
Wilfork was just a flat-out gift. I do not recall "anyone" expecting him to slide to the Patriots. I do not recall if he was a need that year but he was absolutely the BPA at that point.
Mankins was just one of those guys they fell in love with. Prior to a day or two before the draft he was not on anyones 1st round mock that I recall and then it broke that the Patriots loved him.
Brace was an absolute need pick for security and leverage. They were trying to cover themselves in the event that the WIlfork hold out did not go well.
...at least that's my recollection but then again it might not be what it used to be.
They went from Smith to Dillion and have never really relied heavily on RB's in the past so I wouldn't call a RB in the 1st a need pick by anymeans. BB's has always been willing to find RB's in the market to fill roles, esp in the year Maroney was taken so I don't consider him a need pick. I even remember that draft the commentators say the Pats get richer with a luxury RB pick.
Meriweather you might have a case for, but they had Sanders, Wilson, and Harrison going into the draft. Sanders and Wilson were both playing at acceptable levels and Harrison was a SS not a FS so again I wouldn't say Meriweather was a need. Might have been a nice upgrade but they had starters going into camp at his position.
We got lucky Wilfork dropped but it doesn't mean we didn't need a NT at that time. We had Washington I believe the year before who was ready to retire and no one behind him.
Mankins regardless whether they fell in love with him or not they needed a starting G as they had maybe 1 starting RG (Neal)
Brace was an absolute need pick that blew up but I fully admitted that so not sure what your question was towards him?
Smith and Dillon, Dillon especially played played a huge part of their success. Dillon was on his last legs and effectively gone since they knew they were not keeping him and they did not have a feature back to follow. I believe it is why they drafted one in the first round and it was widely speculated that they should take one but might not because of the reasons of possible philosophy/opinion on value of the position, as you mentioned. In his 2nd year, after Dillon left, he ended up starting half the games and was a big part of the team winning in the post season prior to the superbowl. Back to back 122 yard rushing games. A Huge one against the chargers, saving Brady's bacon. Also the draft leading into the 2007 year was not a deep one for RB's. I still maintain it was a need pick. Just the wrong one. Just my opinion.
As far as Meri, they did have some safties but there were many other factors to that. Rodney was aging. They were not going to keep Wilson, that proved out. They always want to deal from a position of strength and do not wait till the year they HAVE to have the player. They will often try to get a player for during the FA year of the position in question. Meri played in all 16 games, playing both at CB and S. More Nickel CB. It was Samuels, Wilson, and Gays FA seasons and Harrison was on his last legs. Rodney and Hobbs both only lasted 1 more season. They tried to trade up for Revis bu the Rat knew their plans after being the DC for the Pats and offered more to get him for the Jets. They took Meri because he covered both impending needs at CB(previous experience) & S.
The only thing about Wilfork was that he ALSO fit BPA. I was not disputing he was a need, I did not remember. I just don't think its a good example of saying see when they draft strictly for need they do better. Wilfork was both need and BPA was all I was saying.
My only point on Mankins was that if he was a need only and not also BPA for them then why the 1st round? It's the same argument you made "against" Maroney being a need. Not sure they tpyically draft 1st rd guards. I think Mankins probably fit both just like Wilfork. They had a need and just happend to love a guy and was a BPA as well as need for them.
As for Brace I wasn't sure from the way it was written how you interpreted him. I know you said the pick did not work but was unsure in the context that you wrote it if it was a need or BPA fail. I guess I was just giving my opinion on why I felt they drafted him.