***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    The board seems to favor trading Mallett for a top 50 pick?  When originally drafted Mallett was presumably a first round talent with off-field issues and was considered a Patriot's steal.  Yes, he needed development but I've read very little about his progress. Does anyone have information about his development...as evidenced in practice (because he has seen little PT on the field)?

    The last information I read about Mallett (and it was dated information) was that his effectiveness in long passes was very good but he struggled with the intermediate passes, with recognition of defensive vulnerabilities, with his progression though 1st, 2nd, 3rd passing options etc.

    Wasn't Mallett the heir apparent to TB? Why the readiness to trade him for less than a first round pick?

     



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    "with his progression though 1st, 2nd, 3rd passing options etc."

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    "Why the readiness to trade him for less than a first round pick?"

    because i dont think he can be a top qb. physiclaly hes got it. mentally the game has not slowed down for him like it does for good qbs.

    nor does he have that "it" energy for leading in face of adversity. now if you had tebows "it" leadership , mallets body and bradys brain, wed have and all pro. 

    seems theres better qbs in college: mccarron,  bridgewater, manziel, etc

     



    I want McCarron... proven winner, good size/height, good arm, accurate, protects the football, smart, competitive... dates smokeshows... would fit right in down in Foxboro.

     



    yes i spoke of drafting him on this thread this year, a little reminiscent of yong brady. protects the football, rises to the occasion when a big play is needed, leadership, unfazed by big gaem/big moment.

    though if i had a shot at manziel....

     
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    seeing tank carradine now in rd 1 to pats? could it happen?

     
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    for those who see the cb need, if we do get some pass rush help in fa, if rhodes is gone, do you take trufant or go best wr avail in rd 1 (and cb in rd2) ?

     
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    seeing tank carradine now in rd 1 to pats? could it happen?



    I have him Rd 2 due to the late season ACL tear, but I think he has a Rd 1 skill set.

     
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    seems to me, pats may be trying to keep talib., why else float the story of him "not having a good work ethic"?

     if we dont restructure brady, fork, or mankins and dont drop lloyd,

    it seems likely we keep one or none of talib, vollmer, welker. id like to keep at least talib and vollmer (if he'll take a lower $ deal). 

     
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    seeing tank carradine now in rd 1 to pats? could it happen?

     



    I have him Rd 2 due to the late season ACL tear, but I think he has a Rd 1 skill set.

     

     



    agreed mb, why i was surprised him mocked in rd 1.

     

    but i do have pass rush as our #1 need.

    what guarantee is there hed make it to the back of rd 2?

     
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    seeing tank carradine now in rd 1 to pats? could it happen?

     



    I have him Rd 2 due to the late season ACL tear, but I think he has a Rd 1 skill set.

     

     



    agreed mb, why i was surprised him mocked in rd 1.

     

    but i do have pass rush as our #1 need.

    what guarantee is there hed make it to the back of rd 2?



    There is no guarantee.

     
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    seeing tank carradine now in rd 1 to pats? could it happen?

     



    I have him Rd 2 due to the late season ACL tear, but I think he has a Rd 1 skill set.

     

     



    agreed mb, why i was surprised him mocked in rd 1.

     

    but i do have pass rush as our #1 need.

    what guarantee is there hed make it to the back of rd 2?

     



    There is no guarantee.

     



    not speaking literal here of course (no guarantees in the draft). how high is the likelihood.

     
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    seeing tank carradine now in rd 1 to pats? could it happen?

     



    I have him Rd 2 due to the late season ACL tear, but I think he has a Rd 1 skill set.

     

     



    agreed mb, why i was surprised him mocked in rd 1.

     

    but i do have pass rush as our #1 need.

    what guarantee is there hed make it to the back of rd 2?

     



    There is no guarantee.

     

     



    not speaking literal here of course (no guarantees in the draft). how high is the likelihood.

     



    I think there's a decent shot.

     
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    seeing tank carradine now in rd 1 to pats? could it happen?

     



    I have him Rd 2 due to the late season ACL tear, but I think he has a Rd 1 skill set.

     

     



    agreed mb, why i was surprised him mocked in rd 1.

     

    but i do have pass rush as our #1 need.

    what guarantee is there hed make it to the back of rd 2?

     



    There is no guarantee.

     

     



    not speaking literal here of course (no guarantees in the draft). how high is the likelihood.

     

     



    I think there's a decent shot.

     



    so hed be yoru rd 2 pick?

    id be ok if we got that, but woudl you go cb or wr in rd 1 (rd 3 cb vs rd 3 wr)

     
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    seeing tank carradine now in rd 1 to pats? could it happen?

     



    I have him Rd 2 due to the late season ACL tear, but I think he has a Rd 1 skill set.

     

     



    agreed mb, why i was surprised him mocked in rd 1.

     

    but i do have pass rush as our #1 need.

    what guarantee is there hed make it to the back of rd 2?

     



    There is no guarantee.

     

     



    not speaking literal here of course (no guarantees in the draft). how high is the likelihood.

     

     



    I think there's a decent shot.

     

     



    so hed be yoru rd 2 pick?

     

    id be ok if we got that, but woudl you go cb or wr in rd 1 (rd 3 cb vs rd 3 wr)

     

     

    All depends who's still available, but he's at the top of my list of Rd 2 options, so there's a good chance that I'd pull the trigger, yes.

     
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    seeing tank carradine now in rd 1 to pats? could it happen?

     



    I have him Rd 2 due to the late season ACL tear, but I think he has a Rd 1 skill set.

     

     



    agreed mb, why i was surprised him mocked in rd 1.

     

    but i do have pass rush as our #1 need.

    what guarantee is there hed make it to the back of rd 2?

     



    There is no guarantee.

     

     



    not speaking literal here of course (no guarantees in the draft). how high is the likelihood.

     

     



    I think there's a decent shot.

     

     



    so hed be yoru rd 2 pick?

     

    id be ok if we got that, but woudl you go cb or wr in rd 1 (rd 3 cb vs rd 3 wr)

     

     

    All depends who's still available, but he's at the top of my list of Rd 2 options, so there's a good chance that I'd pull the trigger, yes.

     



    how bout this. we sign talib and maybe a mide-level cb as well.

     

    (optimally for me, restructure one of the big 3 and get a  pass rusher in fa too)

    in rd 1 we take hopkins or the best big wr available

    carradine in rd 2

    o line, speedy cover lb safety in rd 3 (ie rambo), or additional dt

     

     
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    seeing tank carradine now in rd 1 to pats? could it happen?

     



    I have him Rd 2 due to the late season ACL tear, but I think he has a Rd 1 skill set.

     

     



    agreed mb, why i was surprised him mocked in rd 1.

     

    but i do have pass rush as our #1 need.

    what guarantee is there hed make it to the back of rd 2?

     



    There is no guarantee.

     

     



    not speaking literal here of course (no guarantees in the draft). how high is the likelihood.

     

     



    I think there's a decent shot.

     

     



    so hed be yoru rd 2 pick?

     

    id be ok if we got that, but woudl you go cb or wr in rd 1 (rd 3 cb vs rd 3 wr)

     

     

    All depends who's still available, but he's at the top of my list of Rd 2 options, so there's a good chance that I'd pull the trigger, yes.

     



    how bout this. we sign talib and maybe a mide-level cb as well.

     

    (optimally for me, restructure one of the big 3 and get a  pass rusher in fa too)

    in rd 1 we take hopkins or the best big wr available

    carradine in rd 2

    o line, speedy cover lb safety in rd 3 (ie rambo), or additional dt

     



    I'd be pretty psyched with a haul of:

    Rd 1- Hopkins

    Rd 2- Carradine

    Rd 3- Swearinger

     
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    seeing tank carradine now in rd 1 to pats? could it happen?

     



    I have him Rd 2 due to the late season ACL tear, but I think he has a Rd 1 skill set.

     

     



    agreed mb, why i was surprised him mocked in rd 1.

     

    but i do have pass rush as our #1 need.

    what guarantee is there hed make it to the back of rd 2?

     



    There is no guarantee.

     

     



    not speaking literal here of course (no guarantees in the draft). how high is the likelihood.

     

     



    I think there's a decent shot.

     

     



    so hed be yoru rd 2 pick?

     

    id be ok if we got that, but woudl you go cb or wr in rd 1 (rd 3 cb vs rd 3 wr)

     

     

    All depends who's still available, but he's at the top of my list of Rd 2 options, so there's a good chance that I'd pull the trigger, yes.

     



    how bout this. we sign talib and maybe a mide-level cb as well.

     

    (optimally for me, restructure one of the big 3 and get a  pass rusher in fa too)

    in rd 1 we take hopkins or the best big wr available

    carradine in rd 2

    o line, speedy cover lb safety in rd 3 (ie rambo), or additional dt

     

     



    I'd be pretty psyched with a haul of:

     

    Rd 1- Hopkins

    Rd 2- Carradine

    Rd 3- Swearinger

     



    i like the sound of that. if we can get pass rushers, 2 cbs including talib, and potgentially our safety of the future in fa and the draft thatd be very good. of course i would have concern not upgrading our o line, so we might have to trade a 2014 3rd for a 4th to get some more o line talent.

    just finished my run. off to a meeting. check back in couple hrs

     
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    Welker vs. Mike Wallace??


    Wallace is now unrestricted and the Steelers likely won't tag him.  He was pretty disgruntled last year with the restriction.  Word out of PIT is he's gone.  Would it be a smart play to give Wallace the money we could use to keep the much older Welker?  Edelman and Hernandez can work the middle and we could pair Wallace with Lloyd on the outside.  We then don't need to draft a WR high in the draft.

    I heard Wallace had a bad attitude in PIT all year and didn't like his opportunities.  This could turn BB off.

     
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    1st round – #6 (acquired in trade from Cleveland for mallet and a 1nd round pick) Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah

    1st round –Traded to Cleveland

    2nd round -  Margus Hunt DE, SMU
    3rd Round -
    Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State or Da’Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee tech
    4th round (probable compensatory pick for anderson) - Tyrann Mathieu*, CB/S, LSU

    5th round(probable compensatory pick for BJGE/koppen/ohrnberger/carter/sterling moore) –Chris Harper, WR Kansas State

    7th round - Braden Hansen, G, BYU or braden Brown, OT/TE, BYU
    7th Round - Ron Powell*, OLB, Florida  or Jake stoneburner, TE, OSU

    UDFA-       Graham Pocic, C, Illinois

    Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford or

    Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico

    Ray Ray Armstrong, S, Faulkner University

    Demetrius McCray, CB, App State

    Luke Marquardt, OT, Azusa Pacific

     
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    sorry no compensatory picks for Pats this year




    link?

    why not? all we added was lloyd and gregory

    we lost BJGE, anderson, koppen, carter, sterling moore.....

     
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    I know there is alot of talk about WR's and I agree that we could use a deep threat WR in the draft or in FA but it sounds like most people on here have alreadt written off Welker.  I know the franchise would be a huge chunk of money and I know there is talk of franchising Talib. So who do you choose??  Do most of y'all really think Welker is gone even tho he has been Brady's go to guy since he arrived in 2007? I hope they keep him but I am starting to have my doubts after hearing the cooments on here.

     
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    Welker vs. Mike Wallace??


    Wallace is now unrestricted and the Steelers likely won't tag him.  He was pretty disgruntled last year with the restriction.  Word out of PIT is he's gone.  Would it be a smart play to give Wallace the money we could use to keep the much older Welker?  Edelman and Hernandez can work the middle and we could pair Wallace with Lloyd on the outside.  We then don't need to draft a WR high in the draft.

    I heard Wallace had a bad attitude in PIT all year and didn't like his opportunities.  This could turn BB off.



    Personally, I don't see BB handing over huge dollars to any WR, which is what I think Wallace will demand, and ultimately receive.

     
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    I know there is alot of talk about WR's and I agree that we could use a deep threat WR in the draft or in FA but it sounds like most people on here have alreadt written off Welker.  I know the franchise would be a huge chunk of money and I know there is talk of franchising Talib. So who do you choose??  Do most of y'all really think Welker is gone even tho he has been Brady's go to guy since he arrived in 2007? I hope they keep him but I am starting to have my doubts after hearing the cooments on here.



    unless he changes his tune and lowers his "need" dramatically i dont see it.

    and in fact i think both financially and shceme wise it may be time to move on. having him be where most of the offense goes i dont think is in the best interest of a sb team.

    if he were a 6 2" outside threat 100+ passes thatd be great. or half of a big receiver set with 50-70 passes. 

    we need bigger recevers possession and vertical, and we need our qb looking at them, not dumping every pass 4 yards to win sbs.

    likewise on defense, bb needs to advance his defense to the modern game and make more of a penetrating/pressuring defense.

     
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    1st round – #6 (acquired in trade from Cleveland for mallet and a 1nd round pick) Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah

    1st round –Traded to Cleveland

    2nd round -  Margus Hunt DE, SMU
    3rd Round -
    Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State or Da’Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee tech
    4th round (probable compensatory pick for anderson) - Tyrann Mathieu*, CB/S, LSU

    5th round(probable compensatory pick for BJGE/koppen/ohrnberger/carter/sterling moore) –Chris Harper, WR Kansas State

    7th round - Braden Hansen, G, BYU or braden Brown, OT/TE, BYU
    7th Round - Ron Powell*, OLB, Florida  or Jake stoneburner, TE, OSU

    UDFA-       Graham Pocic, C, Illinois

    Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford or

    Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico

    Ray Ray Armstrong, S, Faulkner University

    Demetrius McCray, CB, App State

    Luke Marquardt, OT, Azusa Pacific



    hey nate,

     the mallet to cleve for 6 seemed to me a fairy tale from the get go. if comes to relaity that woiuld put a smile on everyones face. 

     
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    1st round – #6 (acquired in trade from Cleveland for mallet and a 1nd round pick) Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah

    1st round –Traded to Cleveland

    2nd round -  Margus Hunt DE, SMU
    3rd Round -
    Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State or Da’Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee tech
    4th round (probable compensatory pick for anderson) - Tyrann Mathieu*, CB/S, LSU

    5th round(probable compensatory pick for BJGE/koppen/ohrnberger/carter/sterling moore) –Chris Harper, WR Kansas State

    7th round - Braden Hansen, G, BYU or braden Brown, OT/TE, BYU
    7th Round - Ron Powell*, OLB, Florida  or Jake stoneburner, TE, OSU

    UDFA-       Graham Pocic, C, Illinois

    Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford or

    Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico

    Ray Ray Armstrong, S, Faulkner University

    Demetrius McCray, CB, App State

    Luke Marquardt, OT, Azusa Pacific



    you do have a lot of knowledge about the players nate and you do cover the positions of need in your postulations. good stuff.

     
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    I know there is alot of talk about WR's and I agree that we could use a deep threat WR in the draft or in FA but it sounds like most people on here have alreadt written off Welker.  I know the franchise would be a huge chunk of money and I know there is talk of franchising Talib. So who do you choose??  Do most of y'all really think Welker is gone even tho he has been Brady's go to guy since he arrived in 2007? I hope they keep him but I am starting to have my doubts after hearing the cooments on here.

     



    unless he changes his tune and lowers his "need" dramatically i dont see it.

     

    and in fact i think both financially and shceme wise it may be time to move on. having him be where most of the offense goes i dont think is in the best interest of a sb team.

    if he were a 6 2" outside threat 100+ passes thatd be great. or half of a big receiver set with 50-70 passes. 

    we need bigger recevers possession and vertical, and we need our qb looking at them, not dumping every pass 4 yards to win sbs.

    likewise on defense, bb needs to advance his defense to the modern game and make more of a penetrating/pressuring defense.

     



    Sure would be nice to see what the outcome would be if Gronk was able to play in NE's (2) most important games recently (Super Bowl vs. NYG, 2013 AFC Championship vs. BALT)...

     
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