***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    I know there is alot of talk about WR's and I agree that we could use a deep threat WR in the draft or in FA but it sounds like most people on here have alreadt written off Welker.  I know the franchise would be a huge chunk of money and I know there is talk of franchising Talib. So who do you choose??  Do most of y'all really think Welker is gone even tho he has been Brady's go to guy since he arrived in 2007? I hope they keep him but I am starting to have my doubts after hearing the cooments on here.

     



    unless he changes his tune and lowers his "need" dramatically i dont see it.

     

    and in fact i think both financially and shceme wise it may be time to move on. having him be where most of the offense goes i dont think is in the best interest of a sb team.

    if he were a 6 2" outside threat 100+ passes thatd be great. or half of a big receiver set with 50-70 passes. 

    we need bigger recevers possession and vertical, and we need our qb looking at them, not dumping every pass 4 yards to win sbs.

    likewise on defense, bb needs to advance his defense to the modern game and make more of a penetrating/pressuring defense.

     



    Sure would be nice to see what the outcome would be if Gronk was able to play in NE's (2) most important games recently (Super Bowl vs. NYG, 2013 AFC Championship vs. BALT)...



    agreed. talk about a big possesion receiver.. still need the outside big wr wh ocan separate to make it impossible to shut down the pats offense (and the proper utilization and threat of the runnning game - which you cant do with an empty set). has the josh fun adn gun won anything yet beside a playoff birth). want to leave no room for error no matter what comes up come playoffs.

     
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    1st round – #6 (acquired in trade from Cleveland for mallet and a 1nd round pick) Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah

    1st round –Traded to Cleveland

    2nd round -  Margus Hunt DE, SMU
    3rd Round -
    Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State or Da’Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee tech
    4th round (probable compensatory pick for anderson) - Tyrann Mathieu*, CB/S, LSU

    5th round(probable compensatory pick for BJGE/koppen/ohrnberger/carter/sterling moore) –Chris Harper, WR Kansas State

    7th round - Braden Hansen, G, BYU or braden Brown, OT/TE, BYU
    7th Round - Ron Powell*, OLB, Florida  or Jake stoneburner, TE, OSU

    UDFA-       Graham Pocic, C, Illinois

    Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford or

    Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico

    Ray Ray Armstrong, S, Faulkner University

    Demetrius McCray, CB, App State

    Luke Marquardt, OT, Azusa Pacific



    Hey nate.  I like where your head is here, but I think you're dreaming a bit about Mallett's worth and about getting those comp picks.  I like the players you mock here, though!  Especially Ray Ray as an UDFA.

     
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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/16/alec-ogletree-charged-with-dui/

     

    Georgia ILB Alec Ogletree was charged with DUI. Ordinarily it probably wouldn't be a huge deal, but coupled with a 4 game suspension earlier this year for a drug-related issue, and an arrest his freshman year, this could cause him to drop on a lot of teams boards.

     

    He now could present exceptional value, talent-wise, depending on how far he falls. I would have liked to take a look at him if he was there at 29 before this, but now the value would be even greater to add an athletic coverage LB like him in the 2nd, maybe even 3rd round or beyond.

     

    Will be interesting to see how much this affects his stock.

     
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    BB should draft either Hunt or Reid 

    if either are still around. We know that

    Reed may be an option but what 

    if Pitt cuts lose Troy. Could we add 

    both on a 2 year deal.  It is a

    longshot but a nice pairing of 

    safties.

    Just some food for thought.

     
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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/16/alec-ogletree-charged-with-dui/

     

    Georgia ILB Alec Ogletree was charged with DUI. Ordinarily it probably wouldn't be a huge deal, but coupled with a 4 game suspension earlier this year for a drug-related issue, and an arrest his freshman year, this could cause him to drop on a lot of teams boards.

     

    He now could present exceptional value, talent-wise, depending on how far he falls. I would have liked to take a look at him if he was there at 29 before this, but now the value would be even greater to add an athletic coverage LB like him in the 2nd, maybe even 3rd round or beyond.

     

    Will be interesting to see how much this affects his stock.



    With the 53rd pick in the 2013 NFL draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia.

     
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    Mayock's positional Top 5's V1 have been released:

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000139744/article/precombine-position-rankings-for-2013-nfl-draft

    A couple of notables:

    Sharrif Floyd is his #1 DT

    Cordarrelle Patterson is his #1 WR

    Brian Schwenke is his #2 C

    Barrett Jones is his #3 C

    John Cyprien is his #3 S

    Zeke Motta is his #5 S

     
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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/16/alec-ogletree-charged-with-dui/

     

    Georgia ILB Alec Ogletree was charged with DUI. Ordinarily it probably wouldn't be a huge deal, but coupled with a 4 game suspension earlier this year for a drug-related issue, and an arrest his freshman year, this could cause him to drop on a lot of teams boards.

     

    He now could present exceptional value, talent-wise, depending on how far he falls. I would have liked to take a look at him if he was there at 29 before this, but now the value would be even greater to add an athletic coverage LB like him in the 2nd, maybe even 3rd round or beyond.

     

    Will be interesting to see how much this affects his stock.

     



    With the 53rd pick in the 2013 NFL draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia.

     




    Wouldn't doubt it at all. There was talk about him going in the 1st to CIN and they have no problem taking on troubled players.

     

    Will be interesting to watch, regardless.

     
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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/16/alec-ogletree-charged-with-dui/

     

    Georgia ILB Alec Ogletree was charged with DUI. Ordinarily it probably wouldn't be a huge deal, but coupled with a 4 game suspension earlier this year for a drug-related issue, and an arrest his freshman year, this could cause him to drop on a lot of teams boards.

     

    He now could present exceptional value, talent-wise, depending on how far he falls. I would have liked to take a look at him if he was there at 29 before this, but now the value would be even greater to add an athletic coverage LB like him in the 2nd, maybe even 3rd round or beyond.

     

    Will be interesting to see how much this affects his stock.

     



    With the 53rd pick in the 2013 NFL draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia.

     

     




     

    Wouldn't doubt it at all. There was talk about him going in the 1st to CIN and they have no problem taking on troubled players.

     

    Will be interesting to watch, regardless.



    Agreed.

     
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    Welker vs. Mike Wallace??


    Wallace is now unrestricted and the Steelers likely won't tag him.  He was pretty disgruntled last year with the restriction.  Word out of PIT is he's gone.  Would it be a smart play to give Wallace the money we could use to keep the much older Welker?  Edelman and Hernandez can work the middle and we could pair Wallace with Lloyd on the outside.  We then don't need to draft a WR high in the draft.

    I heard Wallace had a bad attitude in PIT all year and didn't like his opportunities.  This could turn BB off.

     



    Personally, I don't see BB handing over huge dollars to any WR, which is what I think Wallace will demand, and ultimately receive.

     




    He did it for Moss.  But other teams will offer Wallace more and if he isn't willing to give PIT a home town discount, why would he give BB one?  The chance to play with TB?  I doubt it.  I heard IND is in the hunt for him along with CIN, CLE and others.

     

    What about making a play for Cliff Avril?

     
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    Welker vs. Mike Wallace??


    Wallace is now unrestricted and the Steelers likely won't tag him.  He was pretty disgruntled last year with the restriction.  Word out of PIT is he's gone.  Would it be a smart play to give Wallace the money we could use to keep the much older Welker?  Edelman and Hernandez can work the middle and we could pair Wallace with Lloyd on the outside.  We then don't need to draft a WR high in the draft.

    I heard Wallace had a bad attitude in PIT all year and didn't like his opportunities.  This could turn BB off.

     



    Personally, I don't see BB handing over huge dollars to any WR, which is what I think Wallace will demand, and ultimately receive.

     

     




    He did it for Moss.  But other teams will offer Wallace more and if he isn't willing to give PIT a home town discount, why would he give BB one?  The chance to play with TB?  I doubt it.  I heard IND is in the hunt for him along with CIN, CLE and others.

     

     

    What about making a play for Cliff Avril?

     



    CLE is a team that should be all over him... they have a huge hole at the WR position opposite Josh Gordon.

     

    Avril is intriguing, but he's made it known that he's looking to get paid... so it all depends on how they value him.

     
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    Mayock's positional Top 5's V1 have been released:

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000139744/article/precombine-position-rankings-for-2013-nfl-draft

    A couple of notables:

    Sharrif Floyd is his #1 DT

    Cordarrelle Patterson is his #1 WR

    Brian Schwenke is his #2 C

    Barrett Jones is his #3 C

    John Cyprien is his #3 S

    Zeke Motta is his #5 S



    i noted the floyd meteoric rise on boards recently.

    nice to get mayocks take

     
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    Welker vs. Mike Wallace??


    Wallace is now unrestricted and the Steelers likely won't tag him.  He was pretty disgruntled last year with the restriction.  Word out of PIT is he's gone.  Would it be a smart play to give Wallace the money we could use to keep the much older Welker?  Edelman and Hernandez can work the middle and we could pair Wallace with Lloyd on the outside.  We then don't need to draft a WR high in the draft.

    I heard Wallace had a bad attitude in PIT all year and didn't like his opportunities.  This could turn BB off.

     



    Personally, I don't see BB handing over huge dollars to any WR, which is what I think Wallace will demand, and ultimately receive.

     

     




    He did it for Moss.  But other teams will offer Wallace more and if he isn't willing to give PIT a home town discount, why would he give BB one?  The chance to play with TB?  I doubt it.  I heard IND is in the hunt for him along with CIN, CLE and others.

     

     

    What about making a play for Cliff Avril?



    kind of player pats need. i belkieve said he wants big, BIG,  money

     
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    In response to bredbru's comment:

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    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

     

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    Welker vs. Mike Wallace??


    Wallace is now unrestricted and the Steelers likely won't tag him.  He was pretty disgruntled last year with the restriction.  Word out of PIT is he's gone.  Would it be a smart play to give Wallace the money we could use to keep the much older Welker?  Edelman and Hernandez can work the middle and we could pair Wallace with Lloyd on the outside.  We then don't need to draft a WR high in the draft.

    I heard Wallace had a bad attitude in PIT all year and didn't like his opportunities.  This could turn BB off.

     



    Personally, I don't see BB handing over huge dollars to any WR, which is what I think Wallace will demand, and ultimately receive.

     

     




    He did it for Moss.  But other teams will offer Wallace more and if he isn't willing to give PIT a home town discount, why would he give BB one?  The chance to play with TB?  I doubt it.  I heard IND is in the hunt for him along with CIN, CLE and others.

     

     

    What about making a play for Cliff Avril?

     



    kind of player pats need. i belkieve said he wants big, BIG,  money

     

    Yeap, he wants big money

     
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    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

    Mayock's positional Top 5's V1 have been released:

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000139744/article/precombine-position-rankings-for-2013-nfl-draft

    A couple of notables:

    Sharrif Floyd is his #1 DT

    Cordarrelle Patterson is his #1 WR

    Brian Schwenke is his #2 C

    Barrett Jones is his #3 C

    John Cyprien is his #3 S

    Zeke Motta is his #5 S



    Thanks for the link MB

     
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    Welker vs. Mike Wallace??


    Wallace is now unrestricted and the Steelers likely won't tag him.  He was pretty disgruntled last year with the restriction.  Word out of PIT is he's gone.  Would it be a smart play to give Wallace the money we could use to keep the much older Welker?  Edelman and Hernandez can work the middle and we could pair Wallace with Lloyd on the outside.  We then don't need to draft a WR high in the draft.

    I heard Wallace had a bad attitude in PIT all year and didn't like his opportunities.  This could turn BB off.



    Hi Faucet,

    Hope all is well. I think I had mentioned on here last year around this time to someone that I felt his reputation and stats were tainted by the Big Ben run around sand lot style of football and that Wallace would not be the same here.

    Turns out that was proved while staying in Pitt and the OC just reigning in Big Ben. Wallaces numbers, specifically his yards per catch plummeted in response.

    Less time to run deep or break off deep on a broken pocket play.

     
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    Welker vs. Mike Wallace??


    Wallace is now unrestricted and the Steelers likely won't tag him.  He was pretty disgruntled last year with the restriction.  Word out of PIT is he's gone.  Would it be a smart play to give Wallace the money we could use to keep the much older Welker?  Edelman and Hernandez can work the middle and we could pair Wallace with Lloyd on the outside.  We then don't need to draft a WR high in the draft.

    I heard Wallace had a bad attitude in PIT all year and didn't like his opportunities.  This could turn BB off.

     



    Hi Faucet,

     

    Hope all is well. I think I had mentioned on here last year around this time to someone that I felt his reputation and stats were tainted by the Big Ben run around sand lot style of football and that Wallace would not be the same here.

    Turns out that was proved while staying in Pitt and the OC just reigning in Big Ben. Wallaces numbers, specifically his yards per catch plummeted in response.

    Less time to run deep or break off deep on a broken pocket play.

     



    or the entire team underperformed last year and to top it off wallace wasn't happy there... it doesn't take much time for wallace to get down field.

     



    Takes time for him to get open though. There is a difference. Someone did a study on it a year or so ago noting that the majority of his deep/big plays came on broken pocket Ben running around throws.

    Defenses roll coverage. There are always fast guys in the league. No one is just lining up and going ha I run faster than you and the qb and me will just play catch all day. Not saying Wallce is bad but his reputation and stats were helped by the previous situation in my opinion.

    Three years in a row now his yards and avg has dropped. He'll help someone. I just don't find him to be a great fit for the Patriots system, especially given the money it would take.

     
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    This has probably been brought up many times already so apologies if its been discussed.

    With the Pats at #29 and no real sure 1st round QB's apparently, does anyone think any of the following teams from the top of the 2nd round might be interested in trading up into the bottom of the 1st for the QB of choice if none had been taken?

    1. Chiefs 
    2. Jaguars 
    3. Raiders 
    4. Eagles 
    5. Lions 
    6. Browns 
    7. Cardinals 
    8. Bills 
    9. Jets 

    Just curious on your thoughts.

     
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    Some franchise tag insight for all 32 teams from Mike Florio (love him or hate him):

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/17/team-by-team-look-at-who-wouldcouldshould-be-tagged/

     
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    Some franchise tag insight for all 32 teams from Mike Florio (love him or hate him):

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/17/team-by-team-look-at-who-wouldcouldshould-be-tagged/




    Good stuff.  In our situation, I guess I would tag Vollmer if none of the 3 would agree to a reasonable deal.  If Vollmer does in fact agree to a long-term deal, then I would tag Talib.  11.4 million is simply too much for Welker, and I'm not even getting my hopes up for him to sign a team-friendly deal.

     
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    Motta is a poor man's Smith. Hope he is as fluid, at the combine. Pats need size and smarts at this position.

     




    I'm very high on Motta, love his physicality and tackling ability... quick to read/react and closes downhill in a hurry... also, there's nobody that's seen more Motta than Mayock (does color for the ND NBC broadcasts) and he has him as his #5 S overall.

     

     
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    Motta is a poor man's Smith. Hope he is as fluid, at the combine. Pats need size and smarts at this position.


    I'm very high on Motta, love his physicality and tackling ability... quick to read/react and closes downhill in a hurry... also, there's nobody that's seen more Motta than Mayock (does color for the ND NBC broadcasts) and he has him as his #5 S overall.

     



    Motta is nfldraftscout's #8 among FSs, just ahead of Swearinger. I hope that means these two gems remain hidden. The problem really has more to do with the Pats having very few picks.

     
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