***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    In response to Low-FB-IQ's comment:

    This has probably been brought up many times already so apologies if its been discussed.

    With the Pats at #29 and no real sure 1st round QB's apparently, does anyone think any of the following teams from the top of the 2nd round might be interested in trading up into the bottom of the 1st for the QB of choice if none had been taken?

    1. Chiefs 
    2. Jaguars 
    3. Raiders 
    4. Eagles 
    5. Lions 
    6. Browns 
    7. Cardinals 
    8. Bills 
    9. Jets 

    Just curious on your thoughts.



    I would not be surprised at all if no team trades up to #29. I think, the need for QB is dire for Chiefs and Cardinals. The others, I think have enough (yes, even the Jets) to get by and not have to spend high picks to get a QB - the right approach given no must-have QBs in this class.

    Jaguars: They could decide to wait another year before giving up on Gabbert

    Raiders: In no position to be a buyer after giving up picks for Palmer; Also I think Pryor showed very good signs on their last game, which he started. I thought he was a better QB than the stats he achieved that day.

    Eagles: I believe I heard them re-sign Vick the other day. They also signed Dixon, who is familiar with Kelly's system. Question is whether his legs can still run.

    Browns: They are looking for an upgrade to Weeden. I'd be surprised if they see anyone in the draft as that upgrade, that they would be willing to spend their first or second. They also forfeited their second round.

    Bills: They are not going to upgrade over Fitz with the QBs in the draft.

    Jets: As bad as Sanchez played, none of the QBs in the draft show a lot of promise being an upgrade. Besides, he can't play any worse.... Can he?

    Consider also that Alex Smith could be available. Flynn could be available at a more reasonable cost.

    Out of the box thinking, if I were San Diego, I'd trade Rivers for 2014 picks (Rivers' career would be over before they are able to rebuild that team). That would be a good gutsy move for a new FO.

    Pats' #59 may attract more demand if QBs are available and there are still teams looking for backups. If that is the case, I'd prefer they trade the pick with someone who has a pick in the first half of the third, take that third plus an additional 2014 pick to even out the value.

     

     
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    Motta is a poor man's Smith. Hope he is as fluid, at the combine. Pats need size and smarts at this position.


    I'm very high on Motta, love his physicality and tackling ability... quick to read/react and closes downhill in a hurry... also, there's nobody that's seen more Motta than Mayock (does color for the ND NBC broadcasts) and he has him as his #5 S overall.

     

     



    Motta is nfldraftscout's #8 among FSs, just ahead of Swearinger. I hope that means these two gems remain hidden. The problem really has more to do with the Pats having very few picks.

     



    I wouldn't be shocked to see Swearinger sneak into Rd 2 or atleast the Top 75 (Cyprien off within the Top 50)... but to your point, I'd be stoked to land either as both bring that smack you in the mouth mentality and aggression, something that they don't really have in the back end of their defense today.  Swearinger in particular plays with large amount of swagger and emotion and while he's likely to be flagged a fair amount for helmet to helmet, unnecessary roughness type calls, I'd almost be willing ato trade a few of those flags for the element of intimidation (similar to what you got with Rodney), as crazy as that may sound.

     
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    This has probably been brought up many times already so apologies if its been discussed.

    With the Pats at #29 and no real sure 1st round QB's apparently, does anyone think any of the following teams from the top of the 2nd round might be interested in trading up into the bottom of the 1st for the QB of choice if none had been taken?

    1. Chiefs 
    2. Jaguars 
    3. Raiders 
    4. Eagles 
    5. Lions 
    6. Browns 
    7. Cardinals 
    8. Bills 
    9. Jets 

    Just curious on your thoughts.

     



    I would not be surprised at all if no team trades up to #29. I think, the need for QB is dire for Chiefs and Cardinals. The others, I think have enough (yes, even the Jets) to get by and not have to spend high picks to get a QB - the right approach given no must-have QBs in this class.

     

    Jaguars: They could decide to wait another year before giving up on Gabbert

    Raiders: In no position to be a buyer after giving up picks for Palmer; Also I think Pryor showed very good signs on their last game, which he started. I thought he was a better QB than the stats he achieved that day.

    Eagles: I believe I heard them re-sign Vick the other day. They also signed Dixon, who is familiar with Kelly's system. Question is whether his legs can still run.

    Browns: They are looking for an upgrade to Weeden. I'd be surprised if they see anyone in the draft as that upgrade, that they would be willing to spend their first or second. They also forfeited their second round.

    Bills: They are not going to upgrade over Fitz with the QBs in the draft.

    Jets: As bad as Sanchez played, none of the QBs in the draft show a lot of promise being an upgrade. Besides, he can't play any worse.... Can he?

    Consider also that Alex Smith could be available. Flynn could be available at a more reasonable cost.

    Out of the box thinking, if I were San Diego, I'd trade Rivers for 2014 picks (Rivers' career would be over before they are able to rebuild that team). That would be a good gutsy move for a new FO.

    Pats' #59 may attract more demand if QBs are available and there are still teams looking for backups. If that is the case, I'd prefer they trade the pick with someone who has a pick in the first half of the third, take that third plus an additional 2014 pick to even out the value.

     




    Wouldn't shock me to see Buffalo move back into Rd 1 to target Ryan Nassib... new HC Doug Marrone's QB at Syracuse.

     
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    If UNC OG Jonathan Cooper is available at 29, I think it will be tough to pass on him.  I know it isn't our biggest position of need, but we don't exactly have a ton of youth there either.  Cooper is about as safe as a pick as you would find at that point. 

     
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    Wouldn't shock me to see Buffalo move back into Rd 1 to target Ryan Nassib... new HC Doug Marrone's QB at Syracuse.



    I understand the connection. That said, two questions...

    1)  How strongly does Marrone feel about Nassib that he'd be willing to stick his neck out to get such a move done - a pretty big move if you ask me.

    2)  How much clout would Marrone have that he could convince  the organization to make such a big move? The time to make such a move is if they feel confident the move would get them to be at par or better than the Pats. Weirder things have happened, but I would be surprised if they see Nassib representing that potential.

    I have to assuem that the people in their Fo got there because they are pretty smart. I cannot imagine then that they do not recognize next year's class of QBs having the potential they are seeking, and it would be best for them to keep their ammo for next year.

     
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    If UNC OG Jonathan Cooper is available at 29, I think it will be tough to pass on him.  I know it isn't our biggest position of need, but we don't exactly have a ton of youth there either.  Cooper is about as safe as a pick as you would find at that point. 




    He's one of the better players that I've studied on tape, excellent movement ability, gets to the 2nd level with ease, always looking to finish his blocks... future All-Pro, IMO.

    I'd could easily put this kid #1 overall on my board, he's that good and while I'd prefer to see them address other positions, DL/WR/DB, etc... the pick woud be justified, represent bigtime value, etc.

     
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    Wouldn't shock me to see Buffalo move back into Rd 1 to target Ryan Nassib... new HC Doug Marrone's QB at Syracuse.

     



    I understand the connection. That said, two questions...

     

    1)  How strongly does Marrone feel about Nassib that he'd be willing to stick his neck out to get such a move done - a pretty big move if you ask me.

    2)  How much clout would Marrone have that he could convince  the organization to make such a big move? The time to make such a move is if they feel confident the move would get them to be at par or better than the Pats. Weirder things have happened, but I would be surprised if they see Nassib representing that potential.

    I have to assuem that the people in their Fo got there because they are pretty smart. I cannot imagine then that they do not recognize next year's class of QBs having the potential they are seeking, and it would be best for them to keep their ammo for next year.

     




     

    For what it's worth, The National Football Post (draft portion run by former NFL Scout Russ Lande) has Nassib is it's #1 overall prospect in the draft... I don't agree, but I think it implies that he's better than people think.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that Owner Ralph Wilson has handed controls of the franchise over to Russ Brandon (CEO), who in turn spearheaded the hiring of Marrone (which was a bold move in itself) and it could make sense from both a marketing and personnel perspective to bring in a young talented QB (whom the HC is intimately familiar with) to be the new fact of the franchise.  In other words, I'd expect that Brandon would want to put his stamp on things.

     
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    Welker vs. Mike Wallace??


    Wallace is now unrestricted and the Steelers likely won't tag him.  He was pretty disgruntled last year with the restriction.  Word out of PIT is he's gone.  Would it be a smart play to give Wallace the money we could use to keep the much older Welker?  Edelman and Hernandez can work the middle and we could pair Wallace with Lloyd on the outside.  We then don't need to draft a WR high in the draft.

    I heard Wallace had a bad attitude in PIT all year and didn't like his opportunities.  This could turn BB off.

     



    Personally, I don't see BB handing over huge dollars to any WR, which is what I think Wallace will demand, and ultimately receive.

     

     




    He did it for Moss.  But other teams will offer Wallace more and if he isn't willing to give PIT a home town discount, why would he give BB one?  The chance to play with TB?  I doubt it.  I heard IND is in the hunt for him along with CIN, CLE and others.

     

     

    What about making a play for Cliff Avril?

     



    kind of player pats need. i belkieve said he wants big, BIG,  money

     

     

     

    Yeap, he wants big money



    I think he mentioned Julius Peppers money. I don't think he's worth that but I wouldn't be suprised to see someone offer him 12 or 13 million a year

     
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    Motta is a poor man's Smith. Hope he is as fluid, at the combine. Pats need size and smarts at this position.

     




    I'm very high on Motta, love his physicality and tackling ability... quick to read/react and closes downhill in a hurry... also, there's nobody that's seen more Motta than Mayock (does color for the ND NBC broadcasts) and he has him as his #5 S overall.

     



    good info. I'd love to see Motta here next year. It wouldn't suprise me to see BB draft 2 safety's like he has done with alot of positions in the past. Would be sweet to see Cyprien and Motta both here

     
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    What's everyones favorite position to scout/follow?  It's safety, hands down for me... have always loved the physicality, intelligence and mindset that's generally valued/needed for the position.

    As a kid I idolized Chuck Cecil due to his nastiness/brutality on the field... below is an example:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT14rYHV8CQ



    That guy was a beast! I remember him well Fearless competitor

    For me DL and TE. One of my favorite DL's was the Eagles in the early 90's with Reggie White and Jerome Brown. Wish I were alive to have seen the Fearsome Foursome and Deacon Jones

     
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    1st round – #6 (acquired in trade from Cleveland for mallet and a 1nd round pick) Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah

    1st round –Traded to Cleveland

    2nd round -  Margus Hunt DE, SMU
    3rd Round -
    Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State or Da’Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee tech
    4th round (probable compensatory pick for anderson) - Tyrann Mathieu*, CB/S, LSU

    5th round(probable compensatory pick for BJGE/koppen/ohrnberger/carter/sterling moore) –Chris Harper, WR Kansas State

    7th round - Braden Hansen, G, BYU or braden Brown, OT/TE, BYU
    7th Round - Ron Powell*, OLB, Florida  or Jake stoneburner, TE, OSU

    UDFA-       Graham Pocic, C, Illinois

    Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford or

    Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico

    Ray Ray Armstrong, S, Faulkner University

    Demetrius McCray, CB, App State

    Luke Marquardt, OT, Azusa Pacific

     



    Hey nate.  I like where your head is here, but I think you're dreaming a bit about Mallett's worth and about getting those comp picks.  I like the players you mock here, though!  Especially Ray Ray as an UDFA.

     




    anyone know what Ray Ray did, btw? All I heard was he lied during an internal investigation and talked to a booster or something

     
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    1st round – #6 (acquired in trade from Cleveland for mallet and a 1nd round pick) Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah

    1st round –Traded to Cleveland

    2nd round -  Margus Hunt DE, SMU
    3rd Round -
    Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State or Da’Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee tech
    4th round (probable compensatory pick for anderson) - Tyrann Mathieu*, CB/S, LSU

    5th round(probable compensatory pick for BJGE/koppen/ohrnberger/carter/sterling moore) –Chris Harper, WR Kansas State

    7th round - Braden Hansen, G, BYU or braden Brown, OT/TE, BYU
    7th Round - Ron Powell*, OLB, Florida  or Jake stoneburner, TE, OSU

    UDFA-       Graham Pocic, C, Illinois

    Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford or

    Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico

    Ray Ray Armstrong, S, Faulkner University

    Demetrius McCray, CB, App State

    Luke Marquardt, OT, Azusa Pacific

     



    Hey nate.  I like where your head is here, but I think you're dreaming a bit about Mallett's worth and about getting those comp picks.  I like the players you mock here, though!  Especially Ray Ray as an UDFA.

     

     




    anyone know what Ray Ray did, btw? All I heard was he lied during an internal investigation and talked to a booster or something

     




    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/20173142/naia-declares-former-miami-safety-ray-ray-armstrong-ineligible

     
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    Wouldn't shock me to see Buffalo move back into Rd 1 to target Ryan Nassib... new HC Doug Marrone's QB at Syracuse.

     



    I understand the connection. That said, two questions...

     

    1)  How strongly does Marrone feel about Nassib that he'd be willing to stick his neck out to get such a move done - a pretty big move if you ask me.

    2)  How much clout would Marrone have that he could convince  the organization to make such a big move? The time to make such a move is if they feel confident the move would get them to be at par or better than the Pats. Weirder things have happened, but I would be surprised if they see Nassib representing that potential.

    I have to assuem that the people in their Fo got there because they are pretty smart. I cannot imagine then that they do not recognize next year's class of QBs having the potential they are seeking, and it would be best for them to keep their ammo for next year.

     




     

    For what it's worth, The National Football Post (draft portion run by former NFL Scout Russ Lande) has Nassib is it's #1 overall prospect in the draft... I don't agree, but I think it implies that he's better than people think.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that Owner Ralph Wilson has handed controls of the franchise over to Russ Brandon (CEO), who in turn spearheaded the hiring of Marrone (which was a bold move in itself) and it could make sense from both a marketing and personnel perspective to bring in a young talented QB (whom the HC is intimately familiar with) to be the new fact of the franchise.  In other words, I'd expect that Brandon would want to put his stamp on things.



    i could see that adn 1-3 other qb needing teams going qb in rd 1. 

     
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    Wouldn't shock me to see Buffalo move back into Rd 1 to target Ryan Nassib... new HC Doug Marrone's QB at Syracuse.

     



    I understand the connection. That said, two questions...

     

    1)  How strongly does Marrone feel about Nassib that he'd be willing to stick his neck out to get such a move done - a pretty big move if you ask me.

    2)  How much clout would Marrone have that he could convince  the organization to make such a big move? The time to make such a move is if they feel confident the move would get them to be at par or better than the Pats. Weirder things have happened, but I would be surprised if they see Nassib representing that potential.

    I have to assuem that the people in their Fo got there because they are pretty smart. I cannot imagine then that they do not recognize next year's class of QBs having the potential they are seeking, and it would be best for them to keep their ammo for next year.

     




     

    For what it's worth, The National Football Post (draft portion run by former NFL Scout Russ Lande) has Nassib is it's #1 overall prospect in the draft... I don't agree, but I think it implies that he's better than people think.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that Owner Ralph Wilson has handed controls of the franchise over to Russ Brandon (CEO), who in turn spearheaded the hiring of Marrone (which was a bold move in itself) and it could make sense from both a marketing and personnel perspective to bring in a young talented QB (whom the HC is intimately familiar with) to be the new fact of the franchise.  In other words, I'd expect that Brandon would want to put his stamp on things.

     



    i could see that adn 1-3 other qb needing teams going qb in rd 1. 

     




    I doubt it.  There really aren't that many teams who are desparate at the QB position right now.  I bet Geno is the only QB to get drafted in the 1st round.

     
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    http://www.drafttek.com/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2013.asp

     

    This website is pretty cool.  Draft Tec compiles the mocks from other sites and tracks the rise and falls of players.

     

    Right now, the bigest risers seem to be Sharif Floyd and Arthur Brown.  One of the fallers is Johnathan Hankins.  I wonder id BB is interested in grabbing him in the first to complement Big Vince.  He's listed at 6"3' 335.

     
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    http://www.drafttek.com/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2013.asp

     

    This website is pretty cool.  Draft Tec compiles the mocks from other sites and tracks the rise and falls of players.

     

    Right now, the bigest risers seem to be Sharif Floyd and Arthur Brown.  One of the fallers is Johnathan Hankins.  I wonder id BB is interested in grabbing him in the first to complement Big Vince.  He's listed at 6"3' 335.




    I mentioned that possibility a while back and I didn't think it was possible but maybe it could. If it somehow does I'd be breaking arms and look like Dieon Sanders the moment the clock hit pick #29 to get my pick to the commish

     
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    http://www.drafttek.com/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2013.asp

     

    This website is pretty cool.  Draft Tec compiles the mocks from other sites and tracks the rise and falls of players.

     

    Right now, the bigest risers seem to be Sharif Floyd and Arthur Brown.  One of the fallers is Johnathan Hankins.  I wonder id BB is interested in grabbing him in the first to complement Big Vince.  He's listed at 6"3' 335.



    Thanks man, always looking for new publications.

     
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    http://www.drafttek.com/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2013.asp

     

    This website is pretty cool.  Draft Tec compiles the mocks from other sites and tracks the rise and falls of players.

     

    Right now, the bigest risers seem to be Sharif Floyd and Arthur Brown.  One of the fallers is Johnathan Hankins.  I wonder id BB is interested in grabbing him in the first to complement Big Vince.  He's listed at 6"3' 335.

     




    I mentioned that possibility a while back and I didn't think it was possible but maybe it could. If it somehow does I'd be breaking arms and look like Dieon Sanders the moment the clock hit pick #29 to get my pick to the commish

     




    Man, I would LOVE to see Hankins available at 29.  That pick would be a no-brainer for me.  I know that Floyd is very good, but when it is all sudden done, Hankins may end up being the best DT to come out of this class.  I'm sure BB will have the inside scoop on him from Urban Meyer/Vrabel.  That scenario could be similar to when Wilfork fell to us, just a gift.

     
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    Feedback below on Alex Okafor from Russ Lande, former NFL scout and currnet Director of Scouting at The National football Post.  For the record, I have him as a Rd 2 kid on my board currently.

     

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Draft-Rumblings-What-NFP-is-hearing-from-around-the-NFL-7024.html

     

     3. Alex Okafor, DE, Texas, Senior (6045, 261 and 4.85 E): While LSU’s Barkevious Mingo and BYU's Ezekiel Ansah are causing some debate in draft rooms, Alex Okafor is causing perhaps more than any other defender. Numerous scouts have told us that when they evaluated him off 2012 game film, they agreed with our assessment that he plays upright too often, lacks good flexibility and struggles to defeat pass blocks to pressure the quarterback consistently. However, after a great week of practice at the Senior Bowl where he flashed top level athleticism and consistently won in one on one drills he got NFL people excited. We hear that Okafor is now in the middle of the classic debate between those who did not like his play on film and those who feel that he is a gifted talent who can be coached to be the player he flashed the ability to be at the Senior Bowl. Although every scout we spoke to viewed him as a third day prospect based on film evaluation, nearly all of them tell us they believe he will at worst be a second round pick and could even end up as a late first rounder.

     
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    Welker vs. Mike Wallace??


    Wallace is now unrestricted and the Steelers likely won't tag him.  He was pretty disgruntled last year with the restriction.  Word out of PIT is he's gone.  Would it be a smart play to give Wallace the money we could use to keep the much older Welker?  Edelman and Hernandez can work the middle and we could pair Wallace with Lloyd on the outside.  We then don't need to draft a WR high in the draft.

    I heard Wallace had a bad attitude in PIT all year and didn't like his opportunities.  This could turn BB off.

     



    Hi Faucet,

     

    Hope all is well. I think I had mentioned on here last year around this time to someone that I felt his reputation and stats were tainted by the Big Ben run around sand lot style of football and that Wallace would not be the same here.

    Turns out that was proved while staying in Pitt and the OC just reigning in Big Ben. Wallaces numbers, specifically his yards per catch plummeted in response.

    Less time to run deep or break off deep on a broken pocket play.




    Hi Low, I'm doing great, just going through a lot of life changes.  Thanks for asking.   Likewise I hope you are well.


    As for Wallace, there are always teams out there willing to pay top dollar.  This hasn't been the Pat's way with the exception of Adalius Thomas.  They will sometimes pay their players who are proven in their system.  I mention Wallace again because BB heaped high praise on him last year and he sure could be a lethal weapon on the outside.  But the chances of landing him or Avril are slim.

     
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    Anyone know anything about this Jason Vega kid the Pats just signed? 6'4" 255 and runs a 4.6 forty. Signed to a 3 year deal. Should be an interesting camp body but with that size and speed I'm wondering if he can cover. 

     
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    I can't find much on Vega. Tried looking at old scouting reports and not much. Maybe because he played at northeastern? He did put up 41 sacks in 4 years in college, and is fast for a guy his size. A few folks compare him o nink...not flashy but makes the occasional big play. 

    In all honesty , I can't see where the pats fit him unless one of Scott or bequette don't make it. We have jones and nink penciled in at de/olb, with Scott, Francis, bequette, and now vega behind. How many 4-3 de's is bb going to carry? 

     
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    Some franchise tag insight for all 32 teams from Mike Florio (love him or hate him):

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/17/team-by-team-look-at-who-wouldcouldshould-be-tagged/

    Boy, I don't see giving Vollmer top 5 OT money; or Talib for that matter.  Not sure how much Talib would get but has to be north of $10MM as it would be for Vollmer.  Welker for $11.4 I think isn't a bad deal for a guy who is top 3 in receptions and yards every year.




    Good stuff.  In our situation, I guess I would tag Vollmer if none of the 3 would agree to a reasonable deal.  If Vollmer does in fact agree to a long-term deal, then I would tag Talib.  11.4 million is simply too much for Welker, and I'm not even getting my hopes up for him to sign a team-friendly deal.

     




     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    Could we afford to let welker, Talib and vollmer walk? We don't have many draft picks, but got to imagine the money saved on the 3 of them plus any restructuring Brady, Vince may do would give us some serious money to spend in FA....we could sign melton and 1 of Byrd/gholdson/Moore, sign Brandon Gibson, then use the draft to grab a cb, ot and maybe another wideout. 

     

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    I can't find much on Vega. Tried looking at old scouting reports and not much. Maybe because he played at northeastern? He did put up 41 sacks in 4 years in college, and is fast for a guy his size. A few folks compare him o nink...not flashy but makes the occasional big play. 

    In all honesty , I can't see where the pats fit him unless one of Scott or bequette don't make it. We have jones and nink penciled in at de/olb, with Scott, Francis, bequette, and now vega behind. How many 4-3 de's is bb going to carry? 



    That's why I was wondering if he could cover. Given his size he seems a bit small as a 43 DE but has 4.6 speed which would be perfect covering TE's. If he can cover I can see why they'd give him a shot but if he can't cover not sure this signing makes sense. Why not just tender him a camp invite or let him go to another team 

     
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