***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    The dennard issue could be cause for concern depending on how he gets sentenced. I think he get 30 days in the pokey and a suspended sentence. However, if he does real prison time we are hosed. Not only will we almost be forced to sign Talib or a comparable vet FA, we will have to grab another cb or two in the draft. 

     



    Even if he does not do real prison time how many games suspension will he get from Goodell?

     
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    The dennard issue could be cause for concern depending on how he gets sentenced. I think he get 30 days in the pokey and a suspended sentence. However, if he does real prison time we are hosed. Not only will we almost be forced to sign Talib or a comparable vet FA, we will have to grab another cb or two in the draft. 

     

     



    Even if he does not do real prison time how many games suspension will he get from Goodell?

     

     



    I don't think he can get suspended because he wasn't in the NFL yet. With the sentencing April 11th and the whole thing up in the air at the moment, I think Talib is a must sign and they should look at drafting a CB

     

     
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    Looks like Mike Wallace is expected to be Miami's top FA target:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/report-mike-wallace-is-the-dolphins-top-target/

    1.  May increase the need for NE to add DB talent, as if the need wasn't apparent already.

    2.  May open up Brian Hartline as a FA option as folks have mentioned.

     




    I wouldn't say that. One thing about Wallace is he needs broken plays to get his numbers. I'll try to pull it up but he put up his best numbers when Ben was scrambling and the play broke. But, as Ben stayed in the pocket or a replacement QB came in his numbers took a major hit. The book on Wallace is put a S over top and you're fine, but if you break from assignments he can find an open hole. The scary part is look at his last 3 years. Targets have gone up but rec's have remained steady, his yrds have decreased, and his YPR average has dropped significantly over that time period. I think the league has caught up to him and without the broken plays he enjoyed in previous years he's come back down to earth. I'd love for Mia to sign him to a top teir WR contract becaues I don't think he could live up to it and they might let Harline walk which I would hope BB would jump on that chance.

     

    I'm also hoping Buf is stupid enough to give Nelson a low RFA tender. I'd love to see BB toss a 3rd or 3nd at Buf and grab Nelson



    He is a big target for sure. another guy however with season ending acl surgery. Given the WR depth is so good this year, there are kids in the 3rd that might be equally good without giving up a draft pick . I think if bb had more selections he might...where we stand today, I think he uses them all in the draft and tries to turn 3 in the first 3 rounds into possibly 4 or pick up a 4th Rounder....I would like to see the pats get a 4th rounder back...one kid I have been looking at lately is Marcus Davis from Virginia tech. Big kid both in height and weight and runs a 4.4. Good hands, e plosives and can be that perimeter, go up and get it threat we need. 

    Anyone have any thoughts on him?

     
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    Agree...how can goodelll suspend him for something he did in college? If there is a way, gooddell will probably find it.

     
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    The dennard issue could be cause for concern depending on how he gets sentenced. I think he get 30 days in the pokey and a suspended sentence. However, if he does real prison time we are hosed. Not only will we almost be forced to sign Talib or a comparable vet FA, we will have to grab another cb or two in the draft. 

     

     



    Even if he does not do real prison time how many games suspension will he get from Goodell?

     

     



    I don't think he can get suspended because he wasn't in the NFL yet. With the sentencing April 11th and the whole thing up in the air at the moment, I think Talib is a must sign and they should look at drafting a CB

     



    Good point. I did not think of that.

     
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    Looks like Mike Wallace is expected to be Miami's top FA target:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/report-mike-wallace-is-the-dolphins-top-target/

    1.  May increase the need for NE to add DB talent, as if the need wasn't apparent already.

    2.  May open up Brian Hartline as a FA option as folks have mentioned.

     




    I wouldn't say that. One thing about Wallace is he needs broken plays to get his numbers. I'll try to pull it up but he put up his best numbers when Ben was scrambling and the play broke. But, as Ben stayed in the pocket or a replacement QB came in his numbers took a major hit. The book on Wallace is put a S over top and you're fine, but if you break from assignments he can find an open hole. The scary part is look at his last 3 years. Targets have gone up but rec's have remained steady, his yrds have decreased, and his YPR average has dropped significantly over that time period. I think the league has caught up to him and without the broken plays he enjoyed in previous years he's come back down to earth. I'd love for Mia to sign him to a top teir WR contract becaues I don't think he could live up to it and they might let Harline walk which I would hope BB would jump on that chance.

     

    I'm also hoping Buf is stupid enough to give Nelson a low RFA tender. I'd love to see BB toss a 3rd or 3nd at Buf and grab Nelson

     



    He is a big target for sure. another guy however with season ending acl surgery. Given the WR depth is so good this year, there are kids in the 3rd that might be equally good without giving up a draft pick . I think if bb had more selections he might...where we stand today, I think he uses them all in the draft and tries to turn 3 in the first 3 rounds into possibly 4 or pick up a 4th Rounder....I would like to see the pats get a 4th rounder back...one kid I have been looking at lately is Marcus Davis from Virginia tech. Big kid both in height and weight and runs a 4.4. Good hands, e plosives and can be that perimeter, go up and get it threat we need. 

     

    Anyone have any thoughts on him?



    I think Davis is a kid that PE was high on, but cooled a bit due to his effort as a blocker.

     
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    Looks like Mike Wallace is expected to be Miami's top FA target:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/report-mike-wallace-is-the-dolphins-top-target/

    1.  May increase the need for NE to add DB talent, as if the need wasn't apparent already.

    2.  May open up Brian Hartline as a FA option as folks have mentioned.

     




    I wouldn't say that. One thing about Wallace is he needs broken plays to get his numbers. I'll try to pull it up but he put up his best numbers when Ben was scrambling and the play broke. But, as Ben stayed in the pocket or a replacement QB came in his numbers took a major hit. The book on Wallace is put a S over top and you're fine, but if you break from assignments he can find an open hole. The scary part is look at his last 3 years. Targets have gone up but rec's have remained steady, his yrds have decreased, and his YPR average has dropped significantly over that time period. I think the league has caught up to him and without the broken plays he enjoyed in previous years he's come back down to earth. I'd love for Mia to sign him to a top teir WR contract becaues I don't think he could live up to it and they might let Harline walk which I would hope BB would jump on that chance.

     

    I'm also hoping Buf is stupid enough to give Nelson a low RFA tender. I'd love to see BB toss a 3rd or 3nd at Buf and grab Nelson

     



    He is a big target for sure. another guy however with season ending acl surgery. Given the WR depth is so good this year, there are kids in the 3rd that might be equally good without giving up a draft pick . I think if bb had more selections he might...where we stand today, I think he uses them all in the draft and tries to turn 3 in the first 3 rounds into possibly 4 or pick up a 4th Rounder....I would like to see the pats get a 4th rounder back...one kid I have been looking at lately is Marcus Davis from Virginia tech. Big kid both in height and weight and runs a 4.4. Good hands, e plosives and can be that perimeter, go up and get it threat we need. 

     

    Anyone have any thoughts on him?

     



    I think Davis is a kid that PE was high on, but cooled a bit due to his effort as a blocker.

     




    I was. Great talent with eye popping ability but then I saw video of him blocking and a blind grandmother could do a better job. Additionally I watch just general plays and unless the play was to his side he was dogging it. I've dropped him off my list completely

     
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    Looks like Mike Wallace is expected to be Miami's top FA target:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/report-mike-wallace-is-the-dolphins-top-target/

    1.  May increase the need for NE to add DB talent, as if the need wasn't apparent already.

    2.  May open up Brian Hartline as a FA option as folks have mentioned.

     




    I wouldn't say that. One thing about Wallace is he needs broken plays to get his numbers. I'll try to pull it up but he put up his best numbers when Ben was scrambling and the play broke. But, as Ben stayed in the pocket or a replacement QB came in his numbers took a major hit. The book on Wallace is put a S over top and you're fine, but if you break from assignments he can find an open hole. The scary part is look at his last 3 years. Targets have gone up but rec's have remained steady, his yrds have decreased, and his YPR average has dropped significantly over that time period. I think the league has caught up to him and without the broken plays he enjoyed in previous years he's come back down to earth. I'd love for Mia to sign him to a top teir WR contract becaues I don't think he could live up to it and they might let Harline walk which I would hope BB would jump on that chance.

     

    I'm also hoping Buf is stupid enough to give Nelson a low RFA tender. I'd love to see BB toss a 3rd or 3nd at Buf and grab Nelson

     



    He is a big target for sure. another guy however with season ending acl surgery. Given the WR depth is so good this year, there are kids in the 3rd that might be equally good without giving up a draft pick . I think if bb had more selections he might...where we stand today, I think he uses them all in the draft and tries to turn 3 in the first 3 rounds into possibly 4 or pick up a 4th Rounder....I would like to see the pats get a 4th rounder back...one kid I have been looking at lately is Marcus Davis from Virginia tech. Big kid both in height and weight and runs a 4.4. Good hands, e plosives and can be that perimeter, go up and get it threat we need. 

     

    Anyone have any thoughts on him?

     



    I think Davis is a kid that PE was high on, but cooled a bit due to his effort as a blocker.

     

     




    I was. Great talent with eye popping ability but then I saw video of him blocking and a blind grandmother could do a better job. Additionally I watch just general plays and unless the play was to his side he was dogging it. I've dropped him off my list completely

     



    What are your thougths on his WR mate Corey Fuller?  Looks like decent Day 3 size/speed type kid?

     
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    Dion Jordan is athletic and quick but not great against the run.

    He also runs himself completely out of the play a lot.

     
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    Dion Jordan is athletic and quick but not great against the run.

    He also runs himself completely out of the play a lot.



    Kid's still growing into his body and position, having only moved to the defensive side of the ball in 2010... he's ultra versatile, lining up in man coverage on occasion, love his overall play speed/motor, though as you mention he can overrun the play at times, and IMO has no chance of being available at pick 29.

     
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    Dion Jordan is athletic and quick but not great against the run.

    He also runs himself completely out of the play a lot.

     



    Kid's still growing into his body and position, having only moved to the defensive side of the ball in 2010... he's ultra versatile, lining up in man coverage on occasion, love his overall play speed/motor, though as you mention he can overrun the play at times, and IMO has no chance of being available at pick 29.

     



    Yeah I know but his athleticism caught my eye so I decided to watch.

     
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    That Ansa kid is pretty ridiculous. Sheesh.

    Doesn't always look sure of what he sees so only half commits to a certain play sometimes, like a delayed reaction, but once he commits just get out of his way or he's gonna run your over lol.

     
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    Not sure how much pass rush push Jesse could ever give you but you are not moving that dude off the line very often.

     
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    If Keenan Allen can't run, does anyone see him dropping to 29?

    Kawann Short should be ok, but wanted to see his numbers compared to the other 3 technique DTs,

     

    Top WR, DT ruled out of combine workouts … California WR Keenan Allen has confirmed that he will not be able to workout at this week’s scouting combine as he is still recovering from a torn PCL suffered late last season. Allen, one of the top 2-3 WR prospects for the upcoming draft, also likely won’t be 100% for Cal’s pro day on March 14, but hopes to be able to run for pro teams at a private pro workout in April. Meanwhile, Purdue DT Kawann Short has a hamstring injury that will prevent him from participating in drills in Indianapolis later this week. Instead, Short, who has started to generate some late-first round buzz, will workout for teams at the Purdue pro day on March 25.

     

    http://www.gbnreport.com/

     
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    If Keenan Allen can't run, does anyone see him dropping to 29?

    Kawann Short should be ok, but wanted to see his numbers compared to the other 3 technique DTs,

     

    Top WR, DT ruled out of combine workouts … California WR Keenan Allen has confirmed that he will not be able to workout at this week’s scouting combine as he is still recovering from a torn PCL suffered late last season. Allen, one of the top 2-3 WR prospects for the upcoming draft, also likely won’t be 100% for Cal’s pro day on March 14, but hopes to be able to run for pro teams at a private pro workout in April. Meanwhile, Purdue DT Kawann Short has a hamstring injury that will prevent him from participating in drills in Indianapolis later this week. Instead, Short, who has started to generate some late-first round buzz, will workout for teams at the Purdue pro day on March 25.

     

    http://www.gbnreport.com/



    It'll certainly force teams to look even closer at this game tape to evaluate his play speed... don't anticipate him being available at pick 29 as a result, but I don't think it's out of the question either.

     
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    That Ansa kid is pretty ridiculous. Sheesh.

    Doesn't always look sure of what he sees so only half commits to a certain play sometimes, like a delayed reaction, but once he commits just get out of his way or he's gonna run your over lol.



    That's the thing with the kid... at this point, his football IQ and football moves are probably just half way developed, and yet he is scary already. He shows a lot of power and speed. I believe it was in the Senior Bowl where he had back to back plays using speed on one followed by a bull rush (or the other way around). His speed is real. On one game I heard an announcer say he ran a sub-11 100m just a couple of years ago. It would take a miracle for him to drop to 29.

    I am drooling as I am typing this. 

     
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    Not sure how much pass rush push Jesse could ever give you but you are not moving that dude off the line very often.



    Anchor definitely comes to mind. I think what holds him back is technique. He's shown capacity to be a bull at times.

     
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    If the Pats want a safety it seems like a good year. The 1st three I looked at so far...

    Elam

    Swearinger

    Vacarro

    ...all look good.

     
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    If the Pats want a safety it seems like a good year. The 1st three I looked at so far...

    Elam

    Swearinger

    Vacarro

    ...all look good.

     



    I agree, good amount of talent/physicality in this class... give ND's Zeke Motta and Florida's Josh Evans a look as well... both are good sized kids that that'll come up and smack you in the mouth... both could provide good value in Rd's 3/4.

     

     
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    Below is my updated Big 40, new names highlighted in red:

     

    Rd 1

    DT- Jesse Williams

    S- Matt Elam

    OG- Jonathan Cooper

    WR- DeAndre Hopkins

    DT- John Hankins

    DT- Sylvester Williams

     

    Rd 1-2

    CB- Logan Ryan

    CB- Xavier Rhodes

    CB- Desmond Trufant

    CB- Jordan Poyer

    WR- Quinton Patton

     

    Rd 2

    DE/OLB- Tank Carradine

    CB- DJ Hayden

    S- Jon Cyprien

    WR- Robert Woods

    OL- Barrett Jones

    C/OG- Travis Frederick

    OG- Larry Warford

    DT- John Jenkins

     

    Rd 2-3

    S- DJ Swearinger

    WR- Stedman Bailey

    CB- Darius Slay

    CB- Jamar Taylor

    LB- Kiko Alonso

    OG- Brian Winters

     

    Rd 3

    WR/PR- Ace Sanders

    DE/OLB- Lavar Edwards

    S- Zeke Motta

    S- Josh Evans

    DE/OLB- Michael Buchanan

    WR- Ryan Swope

    WR- Markus Wheaton

     

    Rd 4-7

    WR- Conner Vernon

    S- Shawn Williams

    DE/OLB- Devin Taylor

    DL- Kapron Lewis-Moore

    DL- Quinton Dial

    S- Cooper Taylor

    RB- Spencer Ware

     

     
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    Was just checking out Houston CB DJ Hayden (5-11 192) and this kid could provide some good value on draft day.

    Decent size, quick feet, good read/react, very good cover guy overall, good awareness, good blitzer... also like his ball skills and ability vs the run... effectively funneling inside on the edge also diplaying physicality and the ability to shed/tackle in space.  He also plays the game hard and with emotion.  Really like this kid.

    On the negative side, he suffered a potentially life threating injury, tearing a major vein in a freak accident during practice, resulting in a fatality "95%" of the time... forcing him to miss the final (3) games of the season... I have him as a Rd 2 talent (and option on my board), though he may drop to Day 3 due to questions about the injury. 

     
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    Thank you all for a great thread. Going into the combine and upcoming draft, the info contained within is appreciated. :-))

     
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    Thank you all for a great thread. Going into the combine and upcoming draft, the info contained within is appreciated. :-))




    Thanks palookaski... like most on here, I'm happy to contribute.  GO PATS!

     
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    Thank you all for a great thread. Going into the combine and upcoming draft, the info contained within is appreciated. :-))


    Thanks palookaski... like most on here, I'm happy to contribute.  GO PATS!



    Back to you MB. The Thread is a resource of info for any NFL Club. We all can see that you love doing this work as a hobby/favvy passtime etc.


    But seriously, I would not think it vanity if you emailed every NFL Club (VP of player personnel) and invite them all to take a peek at this tremendous amount of resource that takes incalcable amout of time. This thread just may be as good or better than what they already have assembled. 
    Find a reason for them to hire you as a no show/stay at home, talent investigator etc. Never know and worth a shot. No kidding!

    enjoy ;-)

     

     
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    Jeez Werner and Carradine were killing it for FSU.

    The Gholston kid for MSU did not look bad either till I saw him get destroyed by Taylor Lewen.

     




    Gholston is an interesting case I've been pushing for a while. Very good run defender and extremely intelligent sniffing out screens and where runners are heading. If they are within reaching distance they don't get past him. Very good lateral movement
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    Now he does compare to his cousin and former Jets Gholston when it comes to athletic freak ability and inability to develop pass rushing moves. Also the fear of him being like the other Gholston has killed his stock given he hasn't been able to capatilize on is freakish athlectic ability but that's where the comparsion ends. This Gholston has a high motor, extremely strong work ethic, takes coaching well, and never gives up on the field. He's a mid round player BB loves to pick up. Untapped ability but high motor and work ethic to go along with it. If this Gholston can figure out some pass rushing moves he'd be a deadly 3 down player. IMO if we trade back and grab a 4th this kid is well worth taking a look at



    i had the same thoughts earlier in the thread

     
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