***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Mayock pointed out Cragg had injuries in two seasons.  Leg injury this year. 

     
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    Jordan having surgery. Might hurt him a bit and drop him 5-10 spots

     
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    I agree, he might run 40 though, but don't thing he gets close to 29.

     
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    Gragg had a very good workout. one thing i found interesting however is that while he absolutely destroyed everyone in the 40 yard dash he was slower in the 20 yard shuttle than the 3 TE's who ran the slowest 40 times all placing in the 4.9 range. i'm guessing this is a result of him not having good flexibility and being able to bend? he ran a solid 3cone drill so his COD isn't the problem but i don't think the 3cone drill requires the players to bend and touch the ground. 

    Eifert established himself as the clear #1 TE IMO just ahead of Ertz.



    the thing about Cragg is his straight line speed is blazing and he has decent CoD but it takes him a little bit to get up to top speed. The shuttle really hurts him in that regard

     
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    2013 NFL Combine: Weigh-In Recap - Defensive Linemen - http://walterfootball.com/combine2013weighinDL.php

    Throughout the 2012 season and in the early going of 2013, Utah defensive tackle Star Lotulelei has been the consensus top-rated defensive lineman. Lotulelei had a superb senior season that featured his power and explosive speed. At the Combine, Lotulelei measured 6-foot-3, 311-pounds. That was one inch shorter and 14 pounds lighter than his listed numbers. The difference isn't significant, and the lower weight could be by design to help him in the 40-yard dash. Lotulelei should perform well in Indianapolis.

    One of the fastest-rising prospects since the end of the season has been Florida defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd. The Gators had listed Floyd at 6-foot-3, 301 pounds. That turned out to be very accurate as Floyd was 6-3, 297 in Indianapolis. It was good for Floyd that he didn't check in smaller than expected.

    Florida State defensive end Brandon Jenkins checked in a lot smaller than expected. Coming off a foot injury that cost him the 2012 season, Jenkins was 6-foot-2, 251 pounds. Jenkins had been listed at 6-foot-3, 260 pounds by Florida State. Weighing in at 250 forces Jenkins to outside linebacker in the NFL. In a 4-3 defense, he could play linebacker on run downs and rush as an end in passing situations if he can prove to play linebacker effectively. However, it is more likely that the lighter weight could force Jenkins into being a situational pass rusher in a 4-3 defense. His best fit would be as a 3-4 outside linebacker.

    Seminoles' teammate Bjoern Werner has had his weight all over the place over the last year and a half. During the 2011 season, he was said to be in the 270s. In 2012, he was listed at 255 pounds. At the Combine, Werner measured 6-foot-3, 266 pounds. That weight is a nice, happy medium. It allows Werner to be a 4-3 defensive end or a 3-4 outside linebacker. Werner has some natural power and explosion, so he should perform well in Indianapolis.

    Texas A&M defensive end Damontre Moore (6-5, 250) came in as advertised. He actually was an inch taller than his listed height by the Aggies. Moore could fit as a 3-4 outside linebacker, but if he is drafted into a 4-3 scheme, he should add weight for the NFL. The good news for Moore and potential teams is he has the frame to get that done.

    It was a mixed weigh-in for LSU's Barkevious Mingo. He checked in at 6-foot-4, 241 pounds. That is near his listed numbers (6-5, 240), but Mingo admitted to playing the 2012 season around 230 pounds. Clearly he can't play defensive end in the NFL unless he can add 20 pounds. Mingo would fit best as a 3-4 outside linebacker in the NFL. If he is drafted into a 4-3, he will have to play outside linebacker, similarly to Von Miller. However, Mingo still lacks Miller's tenacity and physicality. Mingo is very fast and should run extremely well at the Combine.

    Oregon outside linebacker Dion Jordan (6-6, 248) will have shoulder surgery after the Combine, but his weigh-in went well. He was an inch shorter and five pounds heavier than his listed weight. Once Jordan can work out normally he should have no issues adding weight to his frame. In the NFL, Jordan could easily play in the 250s, if not the 260s.

    Auburn defensive end/outside linebacker Corey Lemonier helped himself at the weigh-in. He was listed at 6-foot-4, 246 pounds and weighed in at better numbers (6-3, 255). Lemonier needed more weight to hold up in run defense. It still looks like his best fit would come as a 3-4 outside linebacker.

    The 6-foot-3, 294-pound Sheldon Richardson was one pound lighter and one inch shorter than his listed weight by Missouri. It was good for Richardson to hit his numbers and not fall short.

    LSU defensive tackle Bennie Logan (6-2, 309) helped himself at the weigh-in. He was significantly heavier than his listed weight of 287 pounds. That is a big difference and takes away a size concern that was there. It wouldn't be surprising if Logan runs well in the 40 and does well in the field work. He could give his stock a nice boost at the Combine.

    Ohio State defensive tackle Johnathan Hankins (6-3, 320) came in close to his listed numbers (6-4, 325). Hankins needs a good Combine to stand out in a loaded class of defensive tackles. He is a powerful defender and has short arms (33.08), so he should produce a good total in the bench press.

    Michigan State defensive end William Gholston (6-6, 281) is a huge defender. The Spartans had Gholston three pounds lighter and an inch taller. Gholston didn't have much production in 2012 so he needs a good Combine to help his draft stock.

     
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    2013 NFL Combine: Weigh-In Recap - Defensive Linemen - http://walterfootball.com/combine2013weighinDL.php

    Throughout the 2012 season and in the early going of 2013, Utah defensive tackle Star Lotulelei has been the consensus top-rated defensive lineman. Lotulelei had a superb senior season that featured his power and explosive speed. At the Combine, Lotulelei measured 6-foot-3, 311-pounds. That was one inch shorter and 14 pounds lighter than his listed numbers. The difference isn't significant, and the lower weight could be by design to help him in the 40-yard dash. Lotulelei should perform well in Indianapolis.

    One of the fastest-rising prospects since the end of the season has been Florida defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd. The Gators had listed Floyd at 6-foot-3, 301 pounds. That turned out to be very accurate as Floyd was 6-3, 297 in Indianapolis. It was good for Floyd that he didn't check in smaller than expected.

    Florida State defensive end Brandon Jenkins checked in a lot smaller than expected. Coming off a foot injury that cost him the 2012 season, Jenkins was 6-foot-2, 251 pounds. Jenkins had been listed at 6-foot-3, 260 pounds by Florida State. Weighing in at 250 forces Jenkins to outside linebacker in the NFL. In a 4-3 defense, he could play linebacker on run downs and rush as an end in passing situations if he can prove to play linebacker effectively. However, it is more likely that the lighter weight could force Jenkins into being a situational pass rusher in a 4-3 defense. His best fit would be as a 3-4 outside linebacker.

    Seminoles' teammate Bjoern Werner has had his weight all over the place over the last year and a half. During the 2011 season, he was said to be in the 270s. In 2012, he was listed at 255 pounds. At the Combine, Werner measured 6-foot-3, 266 pounds. That weight is a nice, happy medium. It allows Werner to be a 4-3 defensive end or a 3-4 outside linebacker. Werner has some natural power and explosion, so he should perform well in Indianapolis.

    Texas A&M defensive end Damontre Moore (6-5, 250) came in as advertised. He actually was an inch taller than his listed height by the Aggies. Moore could fit as a 3-4 outside linebacker, but if he is drafted into a 4-3 scheme, he should add weight for the NFL. The good news for Moore and potential teams is he has the frame to get that done.

    It was a mixed weigh-in for LSU's Barkevious Mingo. He checked in at 6-foot-4, 241 pounds. That is near his listed numbers (6-5, 240), but Mingo admitted to playing the 2012 season around 230 pounds. Clearly he can't play defensive end in the NFL unless he can add 20 pounds. Mingo would fit best as a 3-4 outside linebacker in the NFL. If he is drafted into a 4-3, he will have to play outside linebacker, similarly to Von Miller. However, Mingo still lacks Miller's tenacity and physicality. Mingo is very fast and should run extremely well at the Combine.

    Oregon outside linebacker Dion Jordan (6-6, 248) will have shoulder surgery after the Combine, but his weigh-in went well. He was an inch shorter and five pounds heavier than his listed weight. Once Jordan can work out normally he should have no issues adding weight to his frame. In the NFL, Jordan could easily play in the 250s, if not the 260s.

    Auburn defensive end/outside linebacker Corey Lemonier helped himself at the weigh-in. He was listed at 6-foot-4, 246 pounds and weighed in at better numbers (6-3, 255). Lemonier needed more weight to hold up in run defense. It still looks like his best fit would come as a 3-4 outside linebacker.

    The 6-foot-3, 294-pound Sheldon Richardson was one pound lighter and one inch shorter than his listed weight by Missouri. It was good for Richardson to hit his numbers and not fall short.

    LSU defensive tackle Bennie Logan (6-2, 309) helped himself at the weigh-in. He was significantly heavier than his listed weight of 287 pounds. That is a big difference and takes away a size concern that was there. It wouldn't be surprising if Logan runs well in the 40 and does well in the field work. He could give his stock a nice boost at the Combine.

    Ohio State defensive tackle Johnathan Hankins (6-3, 320) came in close to his listed numbers (6-4, 325). Hankins needs a good Combine to stand out in a loaded class of defensive tackles. He is a powerful defender and has short arms (33.08), so he should produce a good total in the bench press.

    Michigan State defensive end William Gholston (6-6, 281) is a huge defender. The Spartans had Gholston three pounds lighter and an inch taller. Gholston didn't have much production in 2012 so he needs a good Combine to help his draft stock.



    I had shied away from Lemonier a bit due to his listed weight, but am gonna have to give him a closer look now that he weighed in a 255... he may play lighter, but he could be a day 2 edge rush option... his length isn't ideal, but he's explosive and athletic.

    Also gonna have to ltake another look at Logan.

     
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    Wow, Tank Carradine at 6-4 276 (34.68 arms)... I'm assuming he plays a bit lighter (may have put on a few since tearing his ACL, but with that size, length, athleticism and play speed, I'm liking this kid more and more... have moved him up to a Rd 1 option and have him as my #2 player... he could still represent a huge value for some team in Rd 2, but def a Rd 1 talent, IMO.

    My #1, Jesse Williams was as advertised as well, 6-3 323.

     

     
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    Wow, Tank Carradine at 6-4 276... I'm assuming he plays a bit lighter (may have put on a few since tearing his ACL, but with that size, athleticism and play speed, I'm liking this kid more and more... have moved him up to a Rd 1 option and have him as my #2 player... he could still represent a huge value for some team in Rd 2, but def a Rd 1 talent, IMO.

    My #1, Jesse Williams was as advertised as well, 6-3 323.

     



    As long as Tanks knee checked out or checks out I would not see how anyone would not take him long before the Pats pick.

    I thought he was better than some of the other tops names I've looked at.

    I know this is already obvious but I thought Fisher, Johnson, Schwenke and Cooper all showed in pajamas what they show on tape.

     
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    Wow, Tank Carradine at 6-4 276 (34.68 arms)... I'm assuming he plays a bit lighter (may have put on a few since tearing his ACL, but with that size, length, athleticism and play speed, I'm liking this kid more and more... have moved him up to a Rd 1 option and have him as my #2 player... he could still represent a huge value for some team in Rd 2, but def a Rd 1 talent, IMO.

    My #1, Jesse Williams was as advertised as well, 6-3 323.

     




    I think either would be excellent.  Carradine (1st), S/CB/WR (2nd) maybe Geathers in the 3rd.  There are some really huge-sized players in this draft

    Barnes - 369

    Jenkins- 359

    Geathers - 342

    B. Williams - 335

    M. Hughes -329

    J. Williams - 323

    Q Dial - 318

    A bunch of UDFAs also will be available

     

    Overall good depth for NE type players to select where they are positioned in the draft.

     

     
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    Wow, Tank Carradine at 6-4 276... I'm assuming he plays a bit lighter (may have put on a few since tearing his ACL, but with that size, athleticism and play speed, I'm liking this kid more and more... have moved him up to a Rd 1 option and have him as my #2 player... he could still represent a huge value for some team in Rd 2, but def a Rd 1 talent, IMO.

    My #1, Jesse Williams was as advertised as well, 6-3 323.

     

     



    As long as Tanks knee checked out or checks out I would not see how anyone would not take him long before the Pats pick.

     

    I thought he was better than some of the other tops names I've looked at.

    I know this is already obvious but I thought Fisher, Johnson, Schwenke and Cooper all showed in pajamas what they show on tape.




    I don't disagree on Carradine, kid has legit talent and at the very least provides a solid run defender on the edge.

    I only got a look at Cooper, but I agree, he looked the part, very good feet/movement ability.

     
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    I just gave Lemonier a good look... his speed and athleticism really pop on tape, kid can get up the field in a hurry, can really get on his man quick and bend off the edge and pressure from the outside... he players with a good motor and shows effort in pursuit, though he can overrun plays, fail to breakdown in space and is inconsistent in his burst off the snap... seems to give his best effort on 3rd down/passing situations (can be one of the last DL's to move).  While he has some bullrush ability, he's not a power player (IMO) and doesn't look like a kid who will consistently set the edge as a DE... in fact he was overwhelmed at the POA multiple times... def looks better suited to kick outside to LB with some looks as a 9 tech in rush packages.  Def looks at his best when asked to get up the field.

    His production in 2012 (5.5 sacks, which represented all of his TFL) really dropped off from the 9.5 sack / 13.5 TFL 2011 season.  IMO, he projects as a kid that teams could view as that Bruce Irvin type, 3rd down pass rush specialist early on because he has a lot of natural ability in that area.  Prob a Day 2 kid with Rd 1 upside, due to said potential off the edge.

     
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    A lot of the "experts" like NE to draft Tavon Austin with #29.  I typically don't agree with the consensus pick that the draft experts mock to NE in the first round, but the more I watch and read about Austin, the more I think that he could be the guy if he is still on the board.  Initially I didn't really love him simply because of his size (5'9" 175), but I really believe that he is the most dynamic player in the draft.  He just has a different skill-set than everyone else that sets him apart from the rest of the WRs, and I think he would make a great first round pick for NE.

     
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    Tavon looks good, but I don't think the Pats would take him in the 1st.

    We'll see tomorrow how fast he is. I'm thinking mid 4.4's or higher.

    Looks like a notch below Percy Harvin.

     
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    Wow, Tank Carradine at 6-4 276... I'm assuming he plays a bit lighter (may have put on a few since tearing his ACL, but with that size, athleticism and play speed, I'm liking this kid more and more... have moved him up to a Rd 1 option and have him as my #2 player... he could still represent a huge value for some team in Rd 2, but def a Rd 1 talent, IMO.

    My #1, Jesse Williams was as advertised as well, 6-3 323.

     

     



    As long as Tanks knee checked out or checks out I would not see how anyone would not take him long before the Pats pick.

     

    I thought he was better than some of the other tops names I've looked at.

    I know this is already obvious but I thought Fisher, Johnson, Schwenke and Cooper all showed in pajamas what they show on tape.

     



    "As long as Tanks knee checked out or checks out I would not see how anyone would not take him long before the Pats pick."

     

    my take too.

    edit, reading too fast.

    knee checks out he will stil drop i think , its an injury and will need to revcover.

    id consider him at 29. think he drops to rd 2 but not to bottom (if we dont pull trigger at 29)

     
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    Wow, Tank Carradine at 6-4 276... I'm assuming he plays a bit lighter (may have put on a few since tearing his ACL, but with that size, athleticism and play speed, I'm liking this kid more and more... have moved him up to a Rd 1 option and have him as my #2 player... he could still represent a huge value for some team in Rd 2, but def a Rd 1 talent, IMO.

    My #1, Jesse Williams was as advertised as well, 6-3 323.

     

     



    As long as Tanks knee checked out or checks out I would not see how anyone would not take him long before the Pats pick.

     

    I thought he was better than some of the other tops names I've looked at.

    I know this is already obvious but I thought Fisher, Johnson, Schwenke and Cooper all showed in pajamas what they show on tape.

     




    I don't disagree on Carradine, kid has legit talent and at the very least provides a solid run defender on the edge.

     

    I only got a look at Cooper, but I agree, he looked the part, very good feet/movement ability.

     



    i still take top pass rusher avail in rd 1 carradine (if knee perfect), ansah, jordan, jones.

     

    or in rd 2: carradine (if knee not perfect), hunt, taylor, okafor, etc .

     

    by the way, eifert quite the specimen, does bb go with his te addiction and have one or 2 of the tes  rush the passer on defense till one of the starters goes down :)

     
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    Doesn't Tank Carradine's short resume' concern anybody?  There has to be a reason why he wasn't a starter at the beginning of his senior year.

     
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    Doesn't Tank Carradine's short resume' concern anybody?  There has to be a reason why he wasn't a starter at the beginning of his senior year.




    I think it's a fair question... looks like he was a JUCO transfer that ended up playing behind (2) very good players (Werner/Jenkins- both potential Rd 1 kids coming into this season) his first year in Tallahassee, though he did have 5.5 sacks and 8 TFL as a rotational player... the early season injury to Jenkins this year gave him a shot to prove him self and he did, so I think he deserves credit for that.

     
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    A lot of the "experts" like NE to draft Tavon Austin with #29.  I typically don't agree with the consensus pick that the draft experts mock to NE in the first round, but the more I watch and read about Austin, the more I think that he could be the guy if he is still on the board.  Initially I didn't really love him simply because of his size (5'9" 175), but I really believe that he is the most dynamic player in the draft.  He just has a different skill-set than everyone else that sets him apart from the rest of the WRs, and I think he would make a great first round pick for NE.

     



    I'm still hoping that DeAndre Hopkins is the kid in Rd 1, if they target a WR... though Austin's an intriguing kid.

     
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    Austin's first 40 was an unofficial 4.25.

     
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    Tavon Austin 40 yard dash time 4.25 seconds

     
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    Austin's first 40 was an unofficial 4.25.



    oh sorry, I didn`t see your post MB

     
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    4.25 unofficial for Marquis Goodwin.

    4.38 unofficial for TCU's Josh Boyce (gonna have to give this kid a closer look) and VT's Corey Fuller.

     
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    Austin's first 40 was an unofficial 4.25.

     



    oh sorry, I didn`t see your post MB

     



    No prob, man.

     
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    4.50 unofficial for Hopkins.

     
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