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In response to PatsEng's comment:

40's are nice to know with CB's but how often do they actually turn and run completely down the field with a WR? I'm more interested in their redirection ability and backpedal honestly. They could run a 4.20 but if they can't turn and backpedal they are useless on the field

those few plays CB's do have to turn and run with WR's are the most important. you don't want a guy who stops a couple short passes and then gets burned for a deep TD. that's the difference b/w a #1 CB and a #2 or slot guy.

That's why we have safeties. I'm not saying I don't want fast CB's who can keep up with quicker WR's but I mean if we are talking a 4.45 CB with better recovery and CoD ability or a 4.34 CB with bad hips and can't backpedal I'd take the 4.45 guy every time. Otherwise what good is the 4.34 guy if all you have to do is run a post with a double move? 3 30+ passes that takes more time of the board resulting in a TD is worse then 1 90+yrd pass that takes no time off the board. Now if we are talking a 4.6 CB yes I'd say you were correct 4.6 does make a difference but then again how many 4.6 guys do you know that also post great cone numbers?

i was just responding to your original premise which sounded like you felt 40 times for CB's aren't that important. 4.45 is a solid 40 for a CB, they don't need to be in the 4.3's. 

it depends on where you are drafting and what your Dscheme is. most teams don't run ABC defenses and always have two deep safties. there are times you have to rely on single man-to-man coverage on the outside. if you can't depend on your guy to not get beat deep then you will be looking for replacements in no time. doesn't matter how good his COD is, he will be moved to the slot and replaced by a faster guy.

if you are taking a CB in round one then you want a guy with a well rounded skill set. fluid hips, good COD AND a good 40 because in round 1 you are looking for guys with #1 CB potential. 

Did you guys hear that Brady was extended out through 2017 freeing up a ton of cap that supposedly is going to be used to sign Welker to a front loaded $40MM, 5 year deal?  Also in the story was the idea we are going after a big name F/A WR.  I'm thinking Bolden if he ends up being a cap cut.

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Did you guys hear that Brady was extended out through 2017 freeing up a ton of cap that supposedly is going to be used to sign Welker to a front loaded $40MM, 5 year deal?  Also in the story was the idea we are going after a big name F/A WR.  I'm thinking Bolden if he ends up being a cap cut.

I'd like Boldin but that's not really a big name FA. Truthfully I might be happier with Nelson. If his knee is healty I think Nelson would be a young faster version of Boldin

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Did you guys hear that Brady was extended out through 2017 freeing up a ton of cap that supposedly is going to be used to sign Welker to a front loaded $40MM, 5 year deal?  Also in the story was the idea we are going after a big name F/A WR.  I'm thinking Bolden if he ends up being a cap cut.

I'd like Boldin but that's not really a big name FA. Truthfully I might be happier with Nelson. If his knee is healty I think Nelson would be a young faster version of Boldin

Nelson would be good. I just don't think of him as big name. I wouldn't mine swapping Lloyd for Nelson. You money guys would know this... Is Nelson likely to be cheaper than Lloyd?

1^st round –Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah if not available trade for 2^nd, 4^th and 5^th round picks

2^nd round (from trade) - Jonathan Hankins, DT, the OSU

2^nd round -  Margus Hunt, DE, SMU
3^rd Round - Da’Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee tech
4^th round (from trade)- Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina or josh boyce WR TCU

5^th round(from trade) –Tyrann Mathieu*, CB/S, LSU

7^th round - Braden Hansen, G, BYU or braden Brown, OT/TE, BYU
7th Round - Jake stoneburner, TE, OSU

UDFA-       Graham Pocic, C, Illinois

Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford or

Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico

Ray Ray Armstrong, S, Faulkner University

Demetrius McCray, CB, App State

Luke Marquardt, OT, Azusa Pacific

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1^st round –Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah if not available trade for 2^nd, 4^th and 5^th round picks

2^nd round (from trade) - Jonathan Hankins, DT, the OSU

2^nd round -  Margus Hunt, DE, SMU
3^rd Round - Da’Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee tech
4^th round (from trade)- Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina or josh boyce WR TCU

5^th round(from trade) –Tyrann Mathieu*, CB/S, LSU

7^th round - Braden Hansen, G, BYU or braden Brown, OT/TE, BYU
7th Round - Jake stoneburner, TE, OSU

UDFA-       Graham Pocic, C, Illinois

Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford or

Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico

Ray Ray Armstrong, S, Faulkner University

Demetrius McCray, CB, App State

Luke Marquardt, OT, Azusa Pacific

Considering how well he played in college and on the basis of what I saw today there is no way TYRANN MATHIEU will last past the third round.  That despite his past Hx with drugs and reputed lazy commitment to working out. Granted he lacks size but he's so athletic and fluid with great instincts. Recognition skills promote speed to the ball and it's evident he has that in spades.

What a waste of talent!  If only the right surroundings and mature  teammate associations could redirect his focus strictly  on football we could have a gem...

RB Kniles Davis at 5-10 227 ran a 4.37 40 with 31 bench reps.. guy could be a star

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I heard Lloyd's cap hit was 4.9m if cut...

his cap hit is $4.5mil but his signing bonus was $7.5mil over 3 years so depending when cut it could cost the team 500k for this year and save 5 mil next year or save them 2mil this year and 3mil next year 

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I heard Lloyd's cap hit was 4.9m if cut...

his cap hit is $4.5mil but his signing bonus was $7.5mil over 3 years so depending when cut it could cost the team 500k for this year and save 5 mil next year or save them 2mil this year and 3mil next year 

$2MM in dead cap space spread out over 2 years according to Bedard.  Still cutting Lloyd really puts us in a bind with ZERO wideouts.  I expect Welker to be extended as I think this was a key reason Brady agreed to restructure.  I also expect Edelman to be back and for us to sign another top flight WR, such as Boldin, Nelson or Jennings.  We might even make a play for Wallace to keep the Dolphins from getting him athough I doubt we would enter a bidding war.

I would not be shocked if this is the year we finally draft a WR in the first round and perhaps again in the 3rd depending what we do with Lloyd and in free agency.  BB has been doubling down on need lately; Gronk/Hernandez and Vereen/Ridley.  WR is a position of a lot of age so a youth movement makes sense also.  With just three premium picks it would be hard to take two WRs especially with so many questions at corner but if Denard avoids jail time and we resign Talib, we could be set there.

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I heard Lloyd's cap hit was 4.9m if cut...

his cap hit is $4.5mil but his signing bonus was $7.5mil over 3 years so depending when cut it could cost the team 500k for this year and save 5 mil next year or save them 2mil this year and 3mil next year 

$2MM in dead cap space spread out over 2 years according to Bedard.  Still cutting Lloyd really puts us in a bind with ZERO wideouts.  I expect Welker to be extended as I think this was a key reason Brady agreed to restructure.  I also expect Edelman to be back and for us to sign another top flight WR, such as Boldin, Nelson or Jennings.  We might even make a play for Wallace to keep the Dolphins from getting him athough I doubt we would enter a bidding war.

I would not be shocked if this is the year we finally draft a WR in the first round and perhaps again in the 3rd depending what we do with Lloyd and in free agency.  BB has been doubling down on need lately; Gronk/Hernandez and Vereen/Ridley.  WR is a position of a lot of age so a youth movement makes sense also.  With just three premium picks it would be hard to take two WRs especially with so many questions at corner but if Denard avoids jail time and we resign Talib, we could be set there.

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In response to PatsLifer's comment:

I heard Lloyd's cap hit was 4.9m if cut...

his cap hit is $4.5mil but his signing bonus was $7.5mil over 3 years so depending when cut it could cost the team 500k for this year and save 5 mil next year or save them 2mil this year and 3mil next year 

$2MM in dead cap space spread out over 2 years according to Bedard.  Still cutting Lloyd really puts us in a bind with ZERO wideouts.  I expect Welker to be extended as I think this was a key reason Brady agreed to restructure.  I also expect Edelman to be back and for us to sign another top flight WR, such as Boldin, Nelson or Jennings.  We might even make a play for Wallace to keep the Dolphins from getting him athough I doubt we would enter a bidding war.

I would not be shocked if this is the year we finally draft a WR in the first round and perhaps again in the 3rd depending what we do with Lloyd and in free agency.  BB has been doubling down on need lately; Gronk/Hernandez and Vereen/Ridley.  WR is a position of a lot of age so a youth movement makes sense also.  With just three premium picks it would be hard to take two WRs especially with so many questions at corner but if Denard avoids jail time and we resign Talib, we could be set there.

You're right. I was looking at bonuses as a whole not the signing bonuses. That makes it even better then, but it wouldn't be spread out unless he is cut during camp. He has 2mil remaining on the signing bonus so if cut before camp that 2mil is counted all this year if cut after training then it's spread over the two seasons but then he gets his optional bonus of 3mil. So it looks like they will either cut him and save 2.5mil this year or they will keep him because the optional bonus would end up adding 3mil to the bonus over the 2 years

I'm hearing they will cut him because he was a headcase in the locker room.  It wasn't reported but that's the buzz.