***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    In response to Godvernment's comment:

    RB Kniles Davis at 5-10 227 ran a 4.37 40 with 31 bench reps.. guy could be a star



    Had a monster soph season (204-1322-13), but hasn't been the same player since his knee injury (112-377-2 this season), though Arkansas as a whole was a mess this year... could provide a good upside/value pick for some team on Day 3, IMO.

     
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    In response to PatsEng's comment:

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    I heard Lloyd's cap hit was 4.9m if cut...

     



    his cap hit is $4.5mil but his signing bonus was $7.5mil over 3 years so depending when cut it could cost the team 500k for this year and save 5 mil next year or save them 2mil this year and 3mil next year 

     




    $2MM in dead cap space spread out over 2 years according to Bedard.  Still cutting Lloyd really puts us in a bind with ZERO wideouts.  I expect Welker to be extended as I think this was a key reason Brady agreed to restructure.  I also expect Edelman to be back and for us to sign another top flight WR, such as Boldin, Nelson or Jennings.  We might even make a play for Wallace to keep the Dolphins from getting him athough I doubt we would enter a bidding war.

    I would not be shocked if this is the year we finally draft a WR in the first round and perhaps again in the 3rd depending what we do with Lloyd and in free agency.  BB has been doubling down on need lately; Gronk/Hernandez and Vereen/Ridley.  WR is a position of a lot of age so a youth movement makes sense also.  With just three premium picks it would be hard to take two WRs especially with so many questions at corner but if Denard avoids jail time and we resign Talib, we could be set there.

     
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    I heard Lloyd's cap hit was 4.9m if cut...

     



    his cap hit is $4.5mil but his signing bonus was $7.5mil over 3 years so depending when cut it could cost the team 500k for this year and save 5 mil next year or save them 2mil this year and 3mil next year 

     

     




    $2MM in dead cap space spread out over 2 years according to Bedard.  Still cutting Lloyd really puts us in a bind with ZERO wideouts.  I expect Welker to be extended as I think this was a key reason Brady agreed to restructure.  I also expect Edelman to be back and for us to sign another top flight WR, such as Boldin, Nelson or Jennings.  We might even make a play for Wallace to keep the Dolphins from getting him athough I doubt we would enter a bidding war.

     

    I would not be shocked if this is the year we finally draft a WR in the first round and perhaps again in the 3rd depending what we do with Lloyd and in free agency.  BB has been doubling down on need lately; Gronk/Hernandez and Vereen/Ridley.  WR is a position of a lot of age so a youth movement makes sense also.  With just three premium picks it would be hard to take two WRs especially with so many questions at corner but if Denard avoids jail time and we resign Talib, we could be set there.



    You're right. I was looking at bonuses as a whole not the signing bonuses. That makes it even better then, but it wouldn't be spread out unless he is cut during camp. He has 2mil remaining on the signing bonus so if cut before camp that 2mil is counted all this year if cut after training then it's spread over the two seasons but then he gets his optional bonus of 3mil. So it looks like they will either cut him and save 2.5mil this year or they will keep him because the optional bonus would end up adding 3mil to the bonus over the 2 years

     
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    In response to Faucetman's comment:

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

     

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    I heard Lloyd's cap hit was 4.9m if cut...

     



    his cap hit is $4.5mil but his signing bonus was $7.5mil over 3 years so depending when cut it could cost the team 500k for this year and save 5 mil next year or save them 2mil this year and 3mil next year 

     

     




    $2MM in dead cap space spread out over 2 years according to Bedard.  Still cutting Lloyd really puts us in a bind with ZERO wideouts.  I expect Welker to be extended as I think this was a key reason Brady agreed to restructure.  I also expect Edelman to be back and for us to sign another top flight WR, such as Boldin, Nelson or Jennings.  We might even make a play for Wallace to keep the Dolphins from getting him athough I doubt we would enter a bidding war.

     

    I would not be shocked if this is the year we finally draft a WR in the first round and perhaps again in the 3rd depending what we do with Lloyd and in free agency.  BB has been doubling down on need lately; Gronk/Hernandez and Vereen/Ridley.  WR is a position of a lot of age so a youth movement makes sense also.  With just three premium picks it would be hard to take two WRs especially with so many questions at corner but if Denard avoids jail time and we resign Talib, we could be set there.



    hopkins, rogers? (1st and 3rd)

     
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    If the Pats were going to take a run at Bowe they would sure have plently of close up eyes and opinions to ask before doing so.

    Cassel

    Pioli

    Daboll

    Crennel

    Weis

     
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    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    In response to Faucetman's comment:

     

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

     

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    I heard Lloyd's cap hit was 4.9m if cut...

     



    his cap hit is $4.5mil but his signing bonus was $7.5mil over 3 years so depending when cut it could cost the team 500k for this year and save 5 mil next year or save them 2mil this year and 3mil next year 

     

     




    $2MM in dead cap space spread out over 2 years according to Bedard.  Still cutting Lloyd really puts us in a bind with ZERO wideouts.  I expect Welker to be extended as I think this was a key reason Brady agreed to restructure.  I also expect Edelman to be back and for us to sign another top flight WR, such as Boldin, Nelson or Jennings.  We might even make a play for Wallace to keep the Dolphins from getting him athough I doubt we would enter a bidding war.

     

    I would not be shocked if this is the year we finally draft a WR in the first round and perhaps again in the 3rd depending what we do with Lloyd and in free agency.  BB has been doubling down on need lately; Gronk/Hernandez and Vereen/Ridley.  WR is a position of a lot of age so a youth movement makes sense also.  With just three premium picks it would be hard to take two WRs especially with so many questions at corner but if Denard avoids jail time and we resign Talib, we could be set there.

     



    You're right. I was looking at bonuses as a whole not the signing bonuses. That makes it even better then, but it wouldn't be spread out unless he is cut during camp. He has 2mil remaining on the signing bonus so if cut before camp that 2mil is counted all this year if cut after training then it's spread over the two seasons but then he gets his optional bonus of 3mil. So it looks like they will either cut him and save 2.5mil this year or they will keep him because the optional bonus would end up adding 3mil to the bonus over the 2 years

     




    I'm hearing they will cut him because he was a headcase in the locker room.  It wasn't reported but that's the buzz. 

     
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    I'm hearing they will cut him because he was a headcase in the locker room.  It wasn't reported but that's the buzz. 

     



    Yeah I was thinking they'd keep him because a 4.5mil cap hit on a 75rec 1000yrd WR isn't bad but after hearing the locker room stuff I want him gone. Spend that 2.5mil savings on David Nelson and lets be happy Brady doesn't have to thread the needle everytime. 

    BTW appearently the Pats don't have Lloyd listed on the projected depth chart

     
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    So I am watching a bunch of highlights of Quinton Patton and thinking hey this kids really pretty good, great blocker. Really competitve fire, a leader, etc.

    Then I start watching the Utah State game and the guy that jumps out is who the heck is covering him because unlike all the other things I had watched of Patton this guy is all over him.

    Turns out to be Will Davis. Anyone watch any film on Davis? Thoughts?

     
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    In response to bredbru's comment:

    In response to Faucetman's comment:

     

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

     

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    I heard Lloyd's cap hit was 4.9m if cut...

     



    his cap hit is $4.5mil but his signing bonus was $7.5mil over 3 years so depending when cut it could cost the team 500k for this year and save 5 mil next year or save them 2mil this year and 3mil next year 

     

     




    $2MM in dead cap space spread out over 2 years according to Bedard.  Still cutting Lloyd really puts us in a bind with ZERO wideouts.  I expect Welker to be extended as I think this was a key reason Brady agreed to restructure.  I also expect Edelman to be back and for us to sign another top flight WR, such as Boldin, Nelson or Jennings.  We might even make a play for Wallace to keep the Dolphins from getting him athough I doubt we would enter a bidding war.

     

    I would not be shocked if this is the year we finally draft a WR in the first round and perhaps again in the 3rd depending what we do with Lloyd and in free agency.  BB has been doubling down on need lately; Gronk/Hernandez and Vereen/Ridley.  WR is a position of a lot of age so a youth movement makes sense also.  With just three premium picks it would be hard to take two WRs especially with so many questions at corner but if Denard avoids jail time and we resign Talib, we could be set there.

     



    hopkins, rogers? (1st and 3rd)

     




    Possibly.  I can't stop thinking about how good Tavon Austin would look in a Pat's uni.  Then come back with a Swope or Williams in the 2nd.  In reality both could be gone.

     
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    Yeah, Tavon Austin seems to have made a very good impression with most of us.  I still think that Hopkins makes the most sense if they go WR in the first round, but I find myself wanting BB to draft Austin more and more all the time.  I guess I would be happy either way.  also, I agree that seeing BB double up on WRs this year is entirely possible.

     
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    Looks like some of the popular prospects on this thread have done pretty well on the Combine interview circuit:

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Scout-Talk-5916.html

     
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    In response to Godvernment's comment:

    Patterson, Hopkins, Allen, and Austin are the only receivers i would consider at 29.




    I'd agree.

     

     
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    I heard Lloyd's cap hit was 4.9m if cut...

     



    his cap hit is $4.5mil but his signing bonus was $7.5mil over 3 years so depending when cut it could cost the team 500k for this year and save 5 mil next year or save them 2mil this year and 3mil next year 

     

     




    $2MM in dead cap space spread out over 2 years according to Bedard.  Still cutting Lloyd really puts us in a bind with ZERO wideouts.  I expect Welker to be extended as I think this was a key reason Brady agreed to restructure.  I also expect Edelman to be back and for us to sign another top flight WR, such as Boldin, Nelson or Jennings.  We might even make a play for Wallace to keep the Dolphins from getting him athough I doubt we would enter a bidding war.

     

    I would not be shocked if this is the year we finally draft a WR in the first round and perhaps again in the 3rd depending what we do with Lloyd and in free agency.  BB has been doubling down on need lately; Gronk/Hernandez and Vereen/Ridley.  WR is a position of a lot of age so a youth movement makes sense also.  With just three premium picks it would be hard to take two WRs especially with so many questions at corner but if Denard avoids jail time and we resign Talib, we could be set there.

     



    hopkins, rogers? (1st and 3rd)

     

     




    Possibly.  I can't stop thinking about how good Tavon Austin would look in a Pat's uni.  Then come back with a Swope or Williams in the 2nd.  In reality both could be gone.

     



    No doubt that Austin is electric.

    Swope looks tailor made for NE's scheme... sneaky deep speed, has some suddenness/RAC ability, very good combo of hands and toughness and has good ball skills... willing/solid blocker...  really like this kid on Day 2.

     
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    Same here MB. Would really like Swope in the 3rd or even better 4th if we can acquire a 4th.

    I don't think the pats double up on wr's unless its in FA and the draft. We simply don't have the number of picks desired, plus, cb and DT look too good to pass up on. 

     
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    Low...Davis is PatsEng's kid. He called him at 60 on another thread he started. He is definitely one to keep an eye on. This is for sure a target rich environment for cb. 

     
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    So I am watching a bunch of highlights of Quinton Patton and thinking hey this kids really pretty good, great blocker. Really competitve fire, a leader, etc.

    Then I start watching the Utah State game and the guy that jumps out is who the heck is covering him because unlike all the other things I had watched of Patton this guy is all over him.

    Turns out to be Will Davis. Anyone watch any film on Davis? Thoughts?




    I'm a big Patton guy, not a burner, but I like his overall skills set and he has the size/competitiveness to survive on the outside.

    I didn't see the Utah State tape, but he did drop 11-181 on them this year.

     
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    So I am watching a bunch of highlights of Quinton Patton and thinking hey this kids really pretty good, great blocker. Really competitve fire, a leader, etc.

    Then I start watching the Utah State game and the guy that jumps out is who the heck is covering him because unlike all the other things I had watched of Patton this guy is all over him.

    Turns out to be Will Davis. Anyone watch any film on Davis? Thoughts?

     




     

    I'm a big Patton guy, not a burner, but I like his overall skills set and he has the size/competitiveness to survive on the outside.

    I didn't see the Utah State tape, but he did drop 11-181 on them this year.



    Well obviously the game clips are cut to show only Pattons plays but really it seems like he's "the guy" and gets it tossed to him a lot. 

    You know his QB shows up on tape well also because they throw a ton of deep and over the top throws to Patton and in some tight spots too. They are mostly all pretty catchable as well.

     
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    In response to Godvernment's comment:

    Patterson, Hopkins, Allen, and Austin are the only receivers i would consider at 29.



    id prefer the bigger guys over auistin

     
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    Same here MB. Would really like Swope in the 3rd or even better 4th if we can acquire a 4th.

    I don't think the pats double up on wr's unless its in FA and the draft. We simply don't have the number of picks desired, plus, cb and DT look too good to pass up on. 



    "I don't think the pats double up on wr's unless its in FA and the draft. We simply don't have the number of picks " 

    agree unless we add picks

     
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    Anyone know anything about Nick Williams? Samford DT had a very nice combine for a kid 6'5 305.

    Same with Ty Powell. Nice combine as an "athlete".

    Can't find any clips of them on youtube.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    In response to Low-FB-IQ's comment:

    So I am watching a bunch of highlights of Quinton Patton and thinking hey this kids really pretty good, great blocker. Really competitve fire, a leader, etc.

    Then I start watching the Utah State game and the guy that jumps out is who the heck is covering him because unlike all the other things I had watched of Patton this guy is all over him.

    Turns out to be Will Davis. Anyone watch any film on Davis? Thoughts?



    I did not know about Davis until PE mentioned him during our recent discussion on combine numbers. I took a look at his youtbe, and I have to say his cover skills are very good. I would be happy if NWe picked him. If I have to nitpick, I thought he made some lame tackles. Perhaps he can be coached on that.

     
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