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I think a strong case can be made to draft Eifert and even possibly Ertz at 29 if they are available, especially Eifert. The importance of the TE position in NE and the success they have had is well documented but here is the data behind this.
In 2011 Gronk played in all 16 regular season games and Hernandez played in 14. Combined they were:
169/2,237/24. The Pats went 13-3 and went to the SB
In 2012 Gronk played in 11 regular season games and Hernandez played in 10. Combined they were:
106/1,273/16. The Pats went 12-4 and lost the AFCCG
That is a lot of lost production. 63 catches, nearly 1,000 yards and 8 TDs. Counting the play-offs the two stud TEs only had stats together in 4 of the 18 games.
In games where only one of these TEs had stats they averaged 6.1/74.9/.9
In games where both had stats these TEs averaged 10.5/107/1.5
The Pats were 10-4 where only one TE played and were 3-1 when having both. Each TE played 7 games essentially without the other, meaning the other either didn't play or got hurt and left without producing any stats. Production was similar for both except for TDs.
With just Hern: 44/464/3, team scored 225 points and went 5-2
With just Gronk: 41/585/10, team scored 272 points and went 5-2
First, there is no way Eifert gets past Atlanta at 30. He probably doesn't make it to 29 but if he does, I think we could do a lot of cool things with Eifert. First, he can fill in for Gronk should he go down again. Second, we could run a lot of three TE sets with Hern playing as the H or lined up outside as a jacked up WR. The mismatches having all 3 stud TEs on the field at the same time would be incredible. Because Hern can play WR, drafting Eifert would be like drafting one of the big WRs but with the ability to be insurance for either Gronk or Hern going down again.
The game is all about mis-matches. As shown with the stats, having both Gronk and Hern on the field together, the production out of the position explodes. Brady is more of a possession, short range passer preferring to move the chains rather than going for the quick strike downfield. I think these guys would just be a nightmare for LBs and Ss to try to cover. I can see all kinds of creative ways to use them together and I'm Josh could find new ways too. Thoughts?
Looks like everyone had a different version of what I wanted to say in response.
I look at it from a per position diminishing returns perspective. With Gronk, Hern, Ballard, I just don't see a lot of additional value that another TE brings, regardless of talent level.
On the CB side, I feel, they are just starting to figure things out. Talib showed us (or may better to say teased us) that secondary is a few moves from getting fixed. I really would like to get Talib back, to reduce fit uncertainties that they have to face withe other CBs. That said, I believe they should add more CBs to the stable for two, perhaps inter-related, reasons.
1) Talib is not exactly a poster child for durability. Neither is Ras. Dennard also showed signs he could potentially be injured to (hamstring, if I remember right). These three are talented, but it looks like the Pats need four of these talented CBs that they could rotate on the injury list... er, active list.
2) More and more teams are passing more and more. That adds stress to the secondary, so if the CBs are already experiencing injuries, I imagine it could be worse in the coming few seasons.
You could think the same on the interior DL side. You have VW. Next to him, you have Love and Deaderick, who I feel are close to being but not quite starting caliber.
This is where I am coming from when thinking of who the Pats should pick on the first two rounds.
There are a couple of corners I like who could be there at 29, Rhodes and Trufant. But I'm sick of spending 1-2 round picks on DBs then watching them bust. We've had so many of them recently - Meriweather, Wheatley, Butler, Dowling (so far), Chung, possibly Wilson (too soon to tell) and you could say McCourty appears to be a bust at corner. That is a lot of 1-2 round picks wasted!!! When you consider that our starters at the end of the year were a free agent and 7th round pick it makes me NOT trust BB to draft DBs high.
i said that all year,
and then had rhodes as a pick too :) unique big press man (ie seattle defense we need to coverrt to).
but if we dotn get a legit pass rusher in fa, thats #1 need in draft for me even over getting a 6 3" 215 stud cb
Was just reading up on Reiss' blog. Tagging Talib is starting to make the most sense. We lock him up for $10.8MM then try to get a long-term deal done to aleivate that hit. Word is Pats are 9th in most cap space available so this would be a good insurance policy.
If we lose Welker, I would have to move Tavon Austin to the top of my board.
If we lose Vollmer, we have Cannon who should be experienced enough to start but there are other F/A options at RT and we could always address in the 2nd round. Kyle Long if he's there.
We could then use our 3rd on a CB but I would not be surprised to see us add a F/A CB.
if we lose welker it coud be a good thing (though from rumors sounds like we give him more money than id like). and i dont know if youve seen me write it, but i want to move away from running our whole offense through 4 yard routes to welker (or a replacement). its a recipe for stalled drives and stalled sb runs. we have plenty of ammo for middle of field and none for outside (except a guy who falls if he catches) and outside deep.
a top pass rusher and big bodied speed separating receiveir who has big hands and can snag is what we need on offense to go along with a gronk and hern weapon, and rbs that can hurt you in run or out of backfield (runninG the offense out of the SAME SET JOSH) DISGUISING and giving no reads to the defense. then even good des cant just clog the middle and short (leavignus wiht no tropys for brady and bb).
ive had the same conclusion, we keep (talb)/get a #1 cb and a #2 cb, frees us up to get what we can in draft. keeping talib looks cheaper these days looking at fa