***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Marshall WR Aaron Dobson was credited with a drop percentage of zero on 92 targets, according to STATS Inc.

    Many thought highly of Dobson prior to the 2012 season, and part of that was likely due to his highlight reel catches. However, the Marshall receiver missed some time due to injury and didn't always make his presence felt when healthy. This statistic point out his consistency on catchable passes, however.     Source:  John Pollard on Twitter Mar 29 - 11:07 AM

     



    I thought I read somewhere that Dobson had a horrible supporting cast aound him this past season?

     

     



    not much of a run game, but the passing attack was solid. QB threw for over 4k yards 37TDs only 11Ints, 3 solid WR's, and a 10TD TE.

     



    The Patriots have had success with Marshall receivers before.  I wouldn't be upset if they got him.  Will probably need to spend a 2nd on him though

     
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    ok, aaron dobson officialy does NOT have small hands. they aren't big, but they are right on par with other receivers his size.. 9 inches. 

     



    I saw somewhere they are 8.5" which are pretty small for someone his size and well below average.

     

     



    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/aaron-dobson?id=2539256

     

     



    Then I stand corrected. I just saw on a couple different places he had 8.5" hands

     

     



    While hand SIZE can be considered a potential indicator of success, haven't we overlooked  other INDICATORS seemingly as predictive of success?...FOCUS, hand-eye coordination, athleticism and determination?

     

     In other words, the difference between a 9" hand and a 10" hand means little if other  gifts are present or conversely in short supply.

    Another yardstick could be past history of success against quality DBs.  It's still a "crap-shoot" but one negative may be balanced by the relative quality of  the total package.



    True but fans don't get tests and data that show focus, hand-eye, and sometimes determination as unless you watched actually game day most vids online are highlights that tend to only highlight those and none of the negatives

     
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    ok, aaron dobson officialy does NOT have small hands. they aren't big, but they are right on par with other receivers his size.. 9 inches. 

     



    I saw somewhere they are 8.5" which are pretty small for someone his size and well below average.

     

     



    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/aaron-dobson?id=2539256

     

     



    Then I stand corrected. I just saw on a couple different places he had 8.5" hands

     

     



    While hand SIZE can be considered a potential indicator of success, haven't we overlooked  other INDICATORS seemingly as predictive of success?...FOCUS, hand-eye coordination, athleticism and determination?

     

     In other words, the difference between a 9" hand and a 10" hand means little if other  gifts are present or conversely in short supply.

    Another yardstick could be past history of success against quality DBs.  It's still a "crap-shoot" but one negative may be balanced by the relative quality of  the total package.

     



    True but fans don't get tests and data that show focus, hand-eye, and sometimes determination as unless you watched actually game day most vids online are highlights that tend to only highlight those and none of the negatives

     



    yeah thats the problem with looking at the clips on the Pats website. They have what seems like video of almost every noteworthy draftable player but its all highlights.

     
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    I do believe that the Pats interest in Mathieu is real. He's exactly the lower risk high reward player they target in the mid rounds. If ther get a 4th or 5th I wouldn't be shocked if they took him. To me this isn't a bluff

     
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    lol sounds like a confession.

     



    To what?

     
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    I do believe that the Pats interest in Mathieu is real. He's exactly the lower risk high reward player they target in the mid rounds. If ther get a 4th or 5th I wouldn't be shocked if they took him. To me this isn't a bluff



    yes this will his second interview with the Pats, he has some talent but I`m not sure if he can play outside, because his size

     
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    I like Rogers in Rd 2 or 3, but if they pass on Stedman Bailey with this pick (assuming they don't touch a WR in Rd 1) I'm gonna have to call the local TV repair man to pull my buddy, his beer and anything else within reach, out of my Samsung plasma.

     



    Hahaha You shouldn't throw anyones beer though man, thats just not cool. I don't think your buddy would be too happy when he gets pulled out of the plasma to find out you threw his beer as well

     

     



    Haha, good point... I'll tell him to bring a few cans of soda then, but not tell him why... make sure he's drinking one when NE is on the clock.

     

     

    OK MB I just took my first look at the potential WR draft choices and I only see three I like even a little bit. Patterson,Wheaton and Swope. I wouldn't mind if they took a flyer on Mellette from Elon as he dominated at the lower level kind of like a guy we almost drafted way back in the day named Rice. As for the other guys Swope could come in and be a nice slot receiver,Patterson has all the tangibles  but will he be able to block?That leads us to Wheaton the strongest of the top three guys as he all the talent though he doesn't have the big WR size at 5'11,but he does run well and he is strong for a little fella 22 reps @225.I don't have a clue whether the Patriots are looking at any or all of these guys. There will still be plenty of FA's on the sign me block!!!Who knows which way BB goes but if I'm him I don't waste a first on any of these guys. Draft a DT/DE and then chase down a CB or reverse the process.


     

     



    Curious on the list of WR's that you reviewed?

     

    Swope is also a very good blocker... I like Wheaton's skill set a lot... very good combo of speed/quicks... like both as Day 2 options.

    The entire list of availible WR's for the 2013 draft. I read each profile and any scouting report positive or negative included with the profile. cbssports.com draft reports.


     
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    I do believe that the Pats interest in Mathieu is real. He's exactly the lower risk high reward player they target in the mid rounds. If ther get a 4th or 5th I wouldn't be shocked if they took him. To me this isn't a bluff

     



    yes this will his second interview with the Pats, he has some talent but I`m not sure if he can play outside, because his size

     



    I am not sure playing him inside is a solution either, given the kind of TEs good throwing teams have.

    Look at the 3 minute mark.

    Based on this video, I actually like him more outside. I am not sure I like him overall.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPFC1lIJI8

     
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    I like Rogers in Rd 2 or 3, but if they pass on Stedman Bailey with this pick (assuming they don't touch a WR in Rd 1) I'm gonna have to call the local TV repair man to pull my buddy, his beer and anything else within reach, out of my Samsung plasma.

     



    Hahaha You shouldn't throw anyones beer though man, thats just not cool. I don't think your buddy would be too happy when he gets pulled out of the plasma to find out you threw his beer as well

     

     



    Haha, good point... I'll tell him to bring a few cans of soda then, but not tell him why... make sure he's drinking one when NE is on the clock.

     

     

    OK MB I just took my first look at the potential WR draft choices and I only see three I like even a little bit. Patterson,Wheaton and Swope. I wouldn't mind if they took a flyer on Mellette from Elon as he dominated at the lower level kind of like a guy we almost drafted way back in the day named Rice. As for the other guys Swope could come in and be a nice slot receiver,Patterson has all the tangibles  but will he be able to block?That leads us to Wheaton the strongest of the top three guys as he all the talent though he doesn't have the big WR size at 5'11,but he does run well and he is strong for a little fella 22 reps @225.I don't have a clue whether the Patriots are looking at any or all of these guys. There will still be plenty of FA's on the sign me block!!!Who knows which way BB goes but if I'm him I don't waste a first on any of these guys. Draft a DT/DE and then chase down a CB or reverse the process.


     

     



    Curious on the list of WR's that you reviewed?

     

    Swope is also a very good blocker... I like Wheaton's skill set a lot... very good combo of speed/quicks... like both as Day 2 options.

     

    The entire list of availible WR's for the 2013 draft. I read each profile and any scouting report positive or negative included with the profile. cbssports.com draft reports.


     



    Personally, I wouldn't recommend basing your opinion of a player on the strengths/weaknesses listed in a single draft publication... check out as many as you can on a specific player (from multiple publications)... I read a ton of them, but generally try to form my opinion by watching a kid in a game or on tape, where applicable.

     
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    By the way, I know you like TJ Moe as a late option WR. What do you think of Ryan Spadola in the same value?



    Hey man, yeah got'm just haven't been able to action them yet.. hopefully get to it soon.

    Spadola had very good triangle #'s at the combine and a good 40 time; I wish there was more tape available on him.  I do think he garners late round consideration and should at the very least be an URFA.

     
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    On Mathieu...

    given his return to sobriety and desire to turn over a new leaf, is he headed up in the draft, or do you think he is still a kid that could hanging around in round 3-5?...

    i get why the pats may be interested in him, but have to agree with SP on this one. Would want a kid that could step in and play outside. 

    Assuming Talib doesn't play all 16 games...do,we really want 2 starting cbs under 5'10" on the field? 

    If its about value, I get it, and I would be interested in Mathieu if he could be had in round 4 or greater, AND, he isn't the pats only solution to cb depth...

     
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    Tyrann Mathieu to visit Foxboro... not unexpected.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/29/tyrann-mathieu-to-visit-new-england/

     



    Anyone else laugh their darn azz off with this video?

     

    As someone else mention on PFT. Can anyone imagine the volitile nature of trouble waiting to happen with Talib, Dennard, and honey badger hanging out?

     



    Hahah, yeah that video is hilarious.

     
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    MB you receiving the emails?

     

    By the way, I know you like TJ Moe as a late option WR. What do you think of Ryan Spadola in the same value?

     



    Hey man, yeah got'm just haven't been able to action them yet.. hopefully get to it soon.

     

    Spadola had very good triangle #'s at the combine and a good 40 time; I wish there was more tape available on him.  I do think he garners late round consideration and should at the very least be an URFA.



    What about Jeremy Ebert who is already on the menu? Seem to remember he has very good quicks, and potentially the kind of skill set a tj moe may offer. Do you see him cracking the roster this year? What does or can he provide realistically?

     
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    On Ebert...

    Ebert showed his speed at his pro day running a 4.38 40 time, with a 4.15 short shuttle and 6.70 3 cone. All of those times are extremely solid for a WR. Ebert is 5’11 200 pounds. If you were looking for a return man, Ebert isn’t that. He only returned five kickoffs for 88 yards during his career......

     
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    MB you receiving the emails?

     

    By the way, I know you like TJ Moe as a late option WR. What do you think of Ryan Spadola in the same value?

     



    Hey man, yeah got'm just haven't been able to action them yet.. hopefully get to it soon.

     

    Spadola had very good triangle #'s at the combine and a good 40 time; I wish there was more tape available on him.  I do think he garners late round consideration and should at the very least be an URFA.

     



    What about Jeremy Ebert who is already on the menu? Seem to remember he has very good quicks, and potentially the kind of skill set a tj moe may offer. Do you see him cracking the roster this year? What does or can he provide realistically?

     



    Sure hope Ebert shows more than he did last year... was kind of optimistic on him going into camp, but I think he got a late start and wasn't much of a factor in preseason.

    I don't know if he makes the roster, but he does have the skill set that they seem to value in their WR/slot types so maybe they're hoping he develops into a cheaper option than Edelman... sans PR ability.

     
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    I apologize for asking because I am sure you have already addressed this player but what are your thoughts on Justin Hunter? I know he is tall but seems on the slight size the question is does he have the skill set the pats are looking for? Based on what I have read he could go anywhere from the 2nd to 5th rnd which is a pretty big spread... 



    No prob... yeah, long athletic kid that can elevate and has some RAC ability on the negative side, he has inconsistent hands and there are questions about how he'll fair vs. physical CB's... I wouldn't be pissed if they drafted him, but there are other WR's that I like better on Day 2.

     
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    According to STATS ICE, West Virginia's Stedman Bailey made more "clutch receptions" in 2012 than any top draft-eligible receiver on a minimum of 100 targets.

    "Clutch receptions" are defined as catches that went for a first down or touchdown. Scheme, quarterback play, and competition can affect stats like this, but it's still interesting that Bailey dominated the field with 72 "clutch" catches amongst 148 targets (48.6 percent). Next closest was Oregon State's Markus Wheaton, with 64 "clutch" catches on 141 passes his way (45.4 percent).     Source:  John Pollard Stats Mar 29 - 6:12 PM

     




    Certainly shows up on tape... Stedman gets open, Stedman picks up a first down, Stedman gets open, Stedman catches touchdown... repeat, ha.

     

     
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    Interesting report this morning. Buf may reach and take Barkley at #8 is Geno is gone 

     
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    Below is my updated Big 53 Board, new additions highlighted in Red:

     

    Rd 1

    DT- Jesse Williams

    DE/OLB- Tank Carradine

    OG- Jonathan Cooper

    DT- Sylvester Williams

    WR- DeAndre Hopkins

    WR- Keenan Allen

    CB- Xavier Rhodes

    WR- Tavon Austin

    DT- John Hankins

     

    Rd 1-2

    WR- Stedman Bailey

    S- Matt Elam

    S- Jon Cyprien

     

    Rd 2

    CB- DJ Hayden

    CB- Logan Ryan

    CB- Johnthan Banks

     CB- Jamar Taylor

     WR- Quinton Patton

     CB- Jordan Poyer

     S- Eric Reid

     DE/OLB- Margus Hunt

     DT- John Jenkins

     

    Rd 2-3

    CB- Darius Slay

    WR- Markus Wheaton

    WR- Da'Rick Rogers

    S- Shamarko Thomas

    S- DJ Swearinger

     

    Rd 3

    WR- Ryan Swope

    DE/OLB- Michael Buchanan

    DE/OLB- Lavar Edwards

    OL- Barrett Jones

    OL- Brian Winters

    OL- David Quessenberry

    C/OG- Brian Schwenke

    CB- Tyrann Mathieu

    S- Keelan Johnson

    DT- Kwame Geathers

    DE/OLB- Devin Taylor

     

    Rd 4-7

    WR/PR- Ace Sanders

    S- Cooper Taylor

    WR- Chris Harper

    WR- Josh Boyce

    S- Josh Evans

    OG- Jeff Baca

    S- Zeke Motta

    DE/OLB- Cornelius Washington

    LB- AJ Klein

    DL- Chris Jones

    DL- Josh Boyd

    WR- TJ Moe

    RB- Spencer Ware

    DL- Quinton Dial

    DL- Kapron Lewis-Moore

    OL- Tanner Hawkinson

     

     
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    Interesting report this morning. Buf may reach and take Barkley at #8 is Geno is gone 




    Yeah, that'd def be classified as a reach, ha... hopefully it happens.

     
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    There would seem to be several WR's who could be available around our 1st rd pick and be productive #2 guys right away as rookies.

    Keenan Allen

    Justin Hunter

    Tavon Austin (too much like Amendola?)

    DeAndre Hopkins

    Cordarelle Patterson

    My issue with taking one of them is that it pushes the talent level at the other spot down a notch. There are so many DT's who will be available in the 25-40 range of the draft. Not obvious starters from day 1 guys, but players who will be in a mix with Love, Deaderick, Armstead, Francis and who should provide more pocket pressure than Love from day 1. By the time you get to the end of rd 2, those type of DT's are likely to be all gone.

    This is why it makes more sense to get Emmanual Sanders for a 3rd, or come to a cheaper deal with Lloyd, then to draft a WR in rd 1. You know what you will get from one of those 2 guys next year, at the least we're talking 45-55 catches, moving the chains type smart route-running and 3-4 TD's as basically the #2 WR but #4 passing option for TB. Then you get really good line talent with one of your 1st two picks, and we know BB can draft those positions.

    Any WR taken in rd 1 would likely be able to get those #'s... IF he can get up to speed with the playbook fast enough, AND would have more upside (at least over a 31-32 year old Lloyd) BUT would mean lesser talents drafted for other positions.

     



    Many of us agree... DT is #1 on my board... as much as I'd love to snag a Hopkins or Allen, etc. in Rd 1, I prob couldn't pass on a Jesse Williams/Sylvester Williams/John Hankins, etc. at #29... if those DT's are gone, I would then turn to WR... or a bookend to Chandler in Tank Carradine... a surprise pick could be S Jon Cyprien.

     

     
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