***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    1rd Jesse Willians

    2rd Da`Brick Rogers

    3rd D.J Hayden

    7rd Marquees Wilson

    7rd OL or a K

    What do u think guys?

     




     

    For me I am a Kawaan short guy over williams, hankins, williams, or jenkins. He has more playing experience and "all around" production. He's better in solo tackles, total tackles, years played, sacks, passes defended(I am assuming batted balls), and forced fumbles.

    Also for me I prefer Quinton Patton, and Stedman Bailey to Da'rick Rogers. but it's close. I think it will come down to just how closely rated some of the WR's and corner backs are to each other on the Patriots board and which guys they think will be there at the end of the 3rd. That will dictate what they do in the 2nd, imo.

    If the Pats end up pulling the trigger on a Emmanuel Sanders for their 3rd because they do not believe any of the WR's we have talked about will be there then I think that is a wise decision. That is almost a 4th round pick.

    There was a crazy run on WR's the year they got stuck with Taylor price and the same could happen to them again this year. They could avoid it by using the 2nd rounder on the WR they wish but then they might end up with the same type of run happening to the cornerbacks in the 3rd round and be stuck with what is left.

    If you use the 3rd rounder as compensation for sanders then your 2nd for your choice of cornerback then you do not have to theorectically worry about a run at either position in either scenario.

    That ofcourse is all based on the Pats signing a vet pass rusher in free agency still and looking DT/DL with the 1st rounder.

     



    I like short as well. The 2 dt's I was big on early on we're Richardson and short. Looks like Richardson is going in the top 20, but, short should be there at 29.

     

    the only knock on short is his inconsistency and motor. look at last year. He simply either dominated games or was non existent. 3 or 4 of the games he dominated were against inferior competition. I really don't know what to make of him at this point, meaning kinda lukewarm on him. 

    any of the kids mentioned at dt...Williams, Hankins, Jenkins, short, etc i believe are all upgrades over love, deaderick, Francis. However, I don't know if they are when compared potentially to armstead. if armstead was drafted this year, given his cfl production, where would he go? Back half of round 1?  Round 2?....I think he showed some pretty good skills in the cfl albeit against inferior talent, but that talent has got to be similar at least to some top college talent...meaning they aren't all scrubs. 

    The point is...have the pats already drafted their DT? and if so, will they draft another one? And to your point LOW, do the pats even see it as a priority the same way we do? 

     


    Lifer,

     

    My personal view is the Pat's won't draft DT at 29 because of Armstead.  I heard they are pretty high on him.  While Love is entering the last year of his deal, I also think they have bigger needs, especially at WR, CB and coverage LB

    We actually need 2 WRs.  This looks like 2006 all over again.  We have nothing at WR now with Amendola getting hurt all the time, Jones and Jenkins are #4-5 WRs at best, and we'll probably be stuck with Branch and Stallworth coming off the street by Week 6.  I'm actually hoping they will bring Lloyd back.  Right now our WR position is a train wreck, worst in the league if you ask me.  Name a team with a worse #1 and #2 than us (Amendola and Jones according to Patriots.com depth chart)?

    With just three picks in the top 200, I would like to see them address the afformentioned 3 positions first.  I think we should actually double down on the WR position unless we sign a better F/A than we have so far.  Trouble is Edelman is the best one left and we need an outside the numbers guy.

    Right now our WR position depth chart of Amedola, Jones, Slater, Ebert, and Jenkins is pathetic!!  I'd rather stand pat at DL and upgrade this group.

     



    ", I would like to see them address the afformentioned 3 positions first."

     

    which aforementioned 3. i read advocating 2 wrs in your post (which is one of the minds i have)




    I'm guessing these.

     
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    My personal view is the Pat's won't draft DT at 29 because of Armstead.  I heard they are pretty high on him.  While Love is entering the last year of his deal, I also think they have bigger needs, especially at WR, CB and coverage LB. 

    We actually need 2 WRs.  This looks like 2006 all over again.  We have nothing at WR now with Amendola getting hurt all the time, Jones and Jenkins are #4-5 WRs at best, and we'll probably be stuck with Branch and Stallworth coming off the street by Week 6.  I'm actually hoping they will bring Lloyd back.  Right now our WR position is a train wreck, worst in the league if you ask me.  Name a team with a worse #1 and #2 than us (Amendola and Jones according to Patriots.com depth chart)?

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    Hey Faucet... 

    I hope they don't get complacent with the DT spot. I really think their defensive schemes and effectivity are limited by the level of talent they have on the interior DL. 

    I can see how they might not pick up Short, given he might be a similar player to Armstead. I would be thrilled if they pick up a NT-type player, which I believe Short is not. Neither is Amrstead.

     



    The inconsistency and questionable motor seems to show up in most every scouting report out there, but I do agree that he has to be considered withing the Top 64 due to his athleticism and upside.  I'd prefer that they go in another direction in Rd 1, but see the value at some point in Rd 2.

     

     
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    Well Bred... there's talk now of no QBs being picked in the first round. That would be bad. I am pretty confident that Geno Smith gets picked in the first. I would not be surprised if no other QB does. 

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/21978776/will-qbs-be-shut-out-of-first-round-of-2013-nfl-draft

     
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    I will be VERY suprised if BB does not trade out of the 1st round and take someones 2nd and 3rd giving him 2 seconds  and two 3rds-he might even squeeze a 5th out of someone. I'm told this is a very DEEP draft with no real marquee players sticking out- so something like early 2nd plus Pats 2nd, early 3rd plus Pats 3rd, Pats 4th and someones 5th and our 7th-giving the Pats 7picks. So the trade would be our 1st  for a teams 2nd, 3rd and 5th. I just don't see BB keeping that 1st round pick?

     
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    I will be VERY suprised if BB does not trade out of the 1st round and take someones 2nd and 3rd giving him 2 seconds  and two 3rds-he might even squeeze a 5th out of someone. I'm told this is a very DEEP draft with no real marquee players sticking out- so something like early 2nd plus Pats 2nd, early 3rd plus Pats 3rd, Pats 4th and someones 5th and our 7th-giving the Pats 7picks. So the trade would be our 1st  for a teams 2nd, 3rd and 5th. I just don't see BB keeping that 1st round pick?



    I agree that he will want to trade down. Whether he finds a partner really is a different question.

     
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    I will be VERY suprised if BB does not trade out of the 1st round and take someones 2nd and 3rd giving him 2 seconds  and two 3rds-he might even squeeze a 5th out of someone. I'm told this is a very DEEP draft with no real marquee players sticking out- so something like early 2nd plus Pats 2nd, early 3rd plus Pats 3rd, Pats 4th and someones 5th and our 7th-giving the Pats 7picks. So the trade would be our 1st  for a teams 2nd, 3rd and 5th. I just don't see BB keeping that 1st round pick?



    our 1st for a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th is way to much unless we are talking the back end of the 2nd. More then likely, given past trades, you are looking closer to a 2nd and 4th for an early pick, 2nd 4th and 6th for a mid 2nd and 2nd 3rd and 5th for a late 2nd. Truthfully in order to move back you need a trade partner to begin with. With the exception of DT and early OL there really is no one to move up for. Before the QB needy teams started to thin out I could see someone moving up for Barkley but not at this point. If someone is moving up for a DT then I think that would be a mistake by BB not to take one. Interior DT is a pretty big need for the Pats and the depth past 50 is rather thin at DT. Trading away a chance at a 1st round grade DT for 2nd or 3rd tier talent CBs/WRs is not the value BB typically looks for in deals and have typically come back to haunt him (Johnson, Jackson, Wheatley, Price, Tate, Butler, Chung)

    I don't think BB trades back this year. If anything I see him trading picks next year to move back into a round. After last year seeing his willingness to move up for players he wants I think he can smell the D is almost rebuilt and a couple players away. Also knowing that the 09' basically ended up with only Vollmer and recent critizism for trading back has put a spur into his backside. You can tell he gets visible frustrated when you mention the 09' and even some player personal decisions from moving back. I actually wouldn't be shocked if he targetted a couple of specific players and moved up to get them.

     
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    Well Bred... there's talk now of no QBs being picked in the first round. That would be bad. I am pretty confident that Geno Smith gets picked in the first. I would not be surprised if no other QB does. 

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/21978776/will-qbs-be-shut-out-of-first-round-of-2013-nfl-draft



    I still don't see Geno getting past Buf at #8 even with the Kolb signing. Not to mention Chips random confession that he doesn't need a premier QB to run his offense is almost laughable. Smells pretty fishy to me. We know what Chip's system is and he doesn't need a very specific kind of QB to run it. I doubt he really believes anyone can step in and run it

     
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    I will be VERY suprised if BB does not trade out of the 1st round and take someones 2nd and 3rd giving him 2 seconds  and two 3rds-he might even squeeze a 5th out of someone. I'm told this is a very DEEP draft with no real marquee players sticking out- so something like early 2nd plus Pats 2nd, early 3rd plus Pats 3rd, Pats 4th and someones 5th and our 7th-giving the Pats 7picks. So the trade would be our 1st  for a teams 2nd, 3rd and 5th. I just don't see BB keeping that 1st round pick?

     



    our 1st for a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th is way to much unless we are talking the back end of the 2nd. More then likely, given past trades, you are looking closer to a 2nd and 4th for an early pick, 2nd 4th and 6th for a mid 2nd and 2nd 3rd and 5th for a late 2nd. Truthfully in order to move back you need a trade partner to begin with. With the exception of DT and early OL there really is no one to move up for. Before the QB needy teams started to thin out I could see someone moving up for Barkley but not at this point. If someone is moving up for a DT then I think that would be a mistake by BB not to take one. Interior DT is a pretty big need for the Pats and the depth past 50 is rather thin at DT. Trading away a chance at a 1st round grade DT for 2nd or 3rd tier talent CBs/WRs is not the value BB typically looks for in deals and have typically come back to haunt him (Johnson, Jackson, Wheatley, Price, Tate, Butler, Chung)

     

    I don't think BB trades back this year. If anything I see him trading picks next year to move back into a round. After last year seeing his willingness to move up for players he wants I think he can smell the D is almost rebuilt and a couple players away. Also knowing that the 09' basically ended up with only Vollmer and recent critizism for trading back has put a spur into his backside. You can tell he gets visible frustrated when you mention the 09' and even some player personal decisions from moving back. I actually wouldn't be shocked if he targetted a couple of specific players and moved up to get them.



    Totally agree. I think a willing trade partner will be tough to come by this year.  Too deep at DL, OL, WR for anyone to trade into the first.  

     
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    Well Bred... there's talk now of no QBs being picked in the first round. That would be bad. I am pretty confident that Geno Smith gets picked in the first. I would not be surprised if no other QB does. 

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/21978776/will-qbs-be-shut-out-of-first-round-of-2013-nfl-draft

     



    I still don't see Geno getting past Buf at #8 even with the Kolb signing. Not to mention Chips random confession that he doesn't need a premier QB to run his offense is almost laughable. Smells pretty fishy to me. We know what Chip's system is and he doesn't need a very specific kind of QB to run it. I doubt he really believes anyone can step in and run it

     



    Nassib could be the wildcard here... crazy or not, The National Football Post/Russ Lande has Nassib is it's #1 overall prospect in this class and we know about the Marrone/Nassib link.

     

     
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    What's interesting is that some teams that DON'T draft a QB in the 1st round could trade up to secure QB#2 in the draft thus making them potential trade partners. Someone like Nassib or Manual might look better at #29 than at #41 where you could be behind or in front of a team that has a need at QB.

     
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    What's interesting is that some teams that DON'T draft a QB in the 1st round could trade up to secure QB#2 in the draft thus making them potential trade partners. Someone like Nassib or Manual might look better at #29 than at #41 where you could be behind or in front of a team that has a need at QB.



    Will def have to be a draft day read of the board... if a run of QB's takes place, teams may feel the pressure/need to trade up and get someone, though it could also be argued that teams prob don't wanna move into Rd 1 for a Tyler Wilson or Mike Glennon or Matt Barkley, etc.

     
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    Below is my updated Big 53 Board... new additions in Red:

    Rd 1

    DT- Jesse Williams

    DE/OLB- Tank Carradine

    OG- Jonathan Cooper

    DT- Sylvester Williams

    WR- DeAndre Hopkins

    WR- Keenan Allen

    CB- Xavier Rhodes

    WR- Tavon Austin

    DT- John Hankins

     

    Rd 1-2

    WR- Stedman Bailey

    S- Matt Elam

    S- Jon Cyprien

     

    Rd 2

    CB- DJ Hayden

    DT- Kawaan Short

    CB- Logan Ryan

    CB- Johnthan Banks

     CB- Jamar Taylor

     WR- Quinton Patton

     CB- Jordan Poyer

     S- Eric Reid

      DT- John Jenkins

     

    Rd 2-3

    CB- Darius Slay

    WR- Markus Wheaton

    WR- Da'Rick Rogers

    S- Shamarko Thomas

    S- DJ Swearinger

     

    Rd 3

    WR- Ryan Swope

    DE/OLB- Michael Buchanan

    DE/OLB- Margus Hunt

    OL- Barrett Jones

    OL- Brian Winters

    OL- David Quessenberry

    C/OG- Brian Schwenke

    DE/OLB- Lavar Edwards

    CB- Tyrann Mathieu

    S- Keelan Johnson

    DT- Kwame Geathers

    DE/OLB- Devin Taylor

     

    Rd 4-7

    WR/PR- Ace Sanders

    S- Cooper Taylor

    WR- Chris Harper

    WR- Josh Boyce

    S- Josh Evans

    OG- Jeff Baca

    S- Zeke Motta

    DE/OLB- Cornelius Washington

    DL- Chris Jones

    DL- Josh Boyd

    WR- TJ Moe

    RB- Spencer Ware

    DL- Quinton Dial

    DL- Kapron Lewis-Moore

    OL- Tanner Hawkinson

     

     
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    MB, I see runs on LT, DT, and CBs. That seems to be where the depth is. It's becoming a tradition for a CB to be taken in the top ten (Milliner, Claiborne, Peterson) as the search for the elusive shutdown corner continues. If we see a run on QBs IMHO it will be in round 2. Teams like Jac, Jets, Eagles might be gun shy about drafting a QB in the 1st, however, if there is a small run on QBs this could push someone like Jesse Williams down to the Pats. I've seen Rhodes go as high as #12 and if he's regarded as the 2nd best CB it's hard to see him last til Pats pick. As always no two boards are the same.

     
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     Former Missouri running back Derrick Washington, who lit it up at Tuskegee last season, is visiting the Kansas City Chiefsand has a private workout scheduled with the New England Patriots.  Washington was dominant during his Missouri days and looked like a prime NFL running back prospect before being sidelined with legal issues.

     

    http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=6884

     
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    MB, I see runs on LT, DT, and CBs. That seems to be where the depth is. It's becoming a tradition for a CB to be taken in the top ten (Milliner, Claiborne, Peterson) as the search for the elusive shutdown corner continues. If we see a run on QBs IMHO it will be in round 2. Teams like Jac, Jets, Eagles might be gun shy about drafting a QB in the 1st, however, if there is a small run on QBs this could push someone like Jesse Williams down to the Pats. I've seen Rhodes go as high as #12 and if he's regarded as the 2nd best CB it's hard to see him last til Pats pick. As always no two boards are the same.



    JHr,

    I agree that some of the players on my board above will not be available when NE selects (i.e Rhodes/Cooper)... I have them listed there in the instance that they are available, though I've thought about removing Rhodes and Cooper for that reason as it's looking less and less likely that they'll be around.

    Are you talking about Jesse to NE in Rd 2? 

     

     
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     Former Missouri running back Derrick Washington, who lit it up at Tuskegee last season, is visiting the Kansas City Chiefsand has a private workout scheduled with the New England Patriots.  Washington was dominant during his Missouri days and looked like a prime NFL running back prospect before being sidelined with legal issues.

     

    http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=6884

     



     

    "legal issues" = jail time for sexual assault.  Makes sense that they're at least doing their homework.

     
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    Well Bred... there's talk now of no QBs being picked in the first round. That would be bad. I am pretty confident that Geno Smith gets picked in the first. I would not be surprised if no other QB does. 

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/21978776/will-qbs-be-shut-out-of-first-round-of-2013-nfl-draft

     



    I still don't see Geno getting past Buf at #8 even with the Kolb signing. Not to mention Chips random confession that he doesn't need a premier QB to run his offense is almost laughable. Smells pretty fishy to me. We know what Chip's system is and he doesn't need a very specific kind of QB to run it. I doubt he really believes anyone can step in and run it

     

     



    Nassib could be the wildcard here... crazy or not, The National Football Post/Russ Lande has Nassib is it's #1 overall prospect in this class and we know about the Marrone/Nassib link.

     

     



    He would not be the only one with that grade or position rank on Nassib but it is also not suprising as I am absolutely convinced that at least half of the people ranking or doing write ups just copy what others are doing. Most of it is momentum where perception becomes reality after a while with too many of these so called "scouts".

     

     
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    Well Bred... there's talk now of no QBs being picked in the first round. That would be bad. I am pretty confident that Geno Smith gets picked in the first. I would not be surprised if no other QB does. 

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/21978776/will-qbs-be-shut-out-of-first-round-of-2013-nfl-draft

     



    I still don't see Geno getting past Buf at #8 even with the Kolb signing. Not to mention Chips random confession that he doesn't need a premier QB to run his offense is almost laughable. Smells pretty fishy to me. We know what Chip's system is and he doesn't need a very specific kind of QB to run it. I doubt he really believes anyone can step in and run it

     

     



    Nassib could be the wildcard here... crazy or not, The National Football Post/Russ Lande has Nassib is it's #1 overall prospect in this class and we know about the Marrone/Nassib link.

     

     

     



    He would not be the only one with that grade or position rank on Nassib but it is also not suprising as I am absolutely convinced that at least half of the people ranking or doing write ups just copy what others are doing. Most of it is momentum where perception becomes reality after a while with too many of these so called "scouts".

     

     



    I'd agree... this is why I like the outliers... forces me to take a closer look at a kid to see if I'm missing something.

     
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    Interesting.......

    http://www.scardraft.com/scott-carasiks-mock-draft/

    Round 1

    29. New England Patriots: WR Stedman Bailey (West Virginia) JR, 5’10-1/4″, 193 pounds

    Round 2

    27. New England Patriots: DE Margus Hunt (Southern Methodist) SR, 6’8-1/8″, 277 pounds

    Round 3

    29. New England Patriots: WR Markus Wheaton (Oregon State) SR, 5’11″, 189 pounds

     
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    Interesting.......

    http://www.scardraft.com/scott-carasiks-mock-draft/

    Round 1

    29. New England Patriots: WR Stedman Bailey (West Virginia) JR, 5’10-1/4″, 193 pounds

    Round 2

    27. New England Patriots: DE Margus Hunt (Southern Methodist) SR, 6’8-1/8″, 277 pounds

    Round 3

    29. New England Patriots: WR Markus Wheaton (Oregon State) SR, 5’11″, 189 pounds



    I really would hate this draft. Not that I don't like the player as I love all of them but that it doesn't address the issue in the interior DL and does nothing for the depth at CB. I shutter to think of the thought that Ras is the main backup for Talib and Dennard followed by Cole. As of right now I look at our CB's and say there's only 3 on the roster as I don't think Ras would last a season nor do I think Cole is an actually CB.

     
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    My new list of prefered WR's, with the caveat that the list would change for me if and when I can find the wonderlic scores for the WRs.

    Career #'s:

    Name                 Yrds/gm          Rec/gm           Yrds/rec

    1) Hopkins             77.15              5.26                   14.7

    2) Bailey                82.51              5.38                   15.3

    3) Patton              103.76             7.32                   14.2

    4) Woods              77.11              6.63                   11.6

    5) Wheaton           65.09              4.93                   13.2

    6) Rogers              60.00               3.97                  15.1

     

    I gave more preference to players who were more consistent game in and game out in both # of catches and yards per game. Players also got preference who either have a well documented reputation among scouts as good route runners able to run the whole route tree or played in a pro style offense.

     
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    Interesting.......

    http://www.scardraft.com/scott-carasiks-mock-draft/

    Round 1

    29. New England Patriots: WR Stedman Bailey (West Virginia) JR, 5’10-1/4″, 193 pounds

    Round 2

    27. New England Patriots: DE Margus Hunt (Southern Methodist) SR, 6’8-1/8″, 277 pounds

    Round 3

    29. New England Patriots: WR Markus Wheaton (Oregon State) SR, 5’11″, 189 pounds

     



    I really would hate this draft. Not that I don't like the player as I love all of them but that it doesn't address the issue in the interior DL and does nothing for the depth at CB. I shutter to think of the thought that Ras is the main backup for Talib and Dennard followed by Cole. As of right now I look at our CB's and say there's only 3 on the roster as I don't think Ras would last a season nor do I think Cole is an actually CB.

     



    I was surprised Bailey was being considered a 1st rd pick.  There is some really weird rankings on players even now close to the draft.  It just makes more sense to trade out, if you can find a team.

    I agree DT and CB or CB/S combo seems more valuable.  If they went, in no order, WR, DT, CB in the top three I would be ok with that for sure.

     
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    I was surprised Bailey was being considered a 1st rd pick.  There is some really weird rankings on players even now close to the draft.  It just makes more sense to trade out, if you can find a team.

     

    I agree DT and CB or CB/S combo seems more valuable.  If they went, in no order, WR, DT, CB in the top three I would be ok with that for sure.




    I'd be surprised by Bailey that early too. I was thinking more of a mid 2nd to mid 3rd type of WR same as Rogers.

    My order is DT, WR, CB mainly because I see the reall talent in DT in the top 9 players then the talent drops off drastically. Imo those top 9 players will all go in the top 50 picks. WR and CB, however, I see the depth going from the back of the 1st to the early 4th range with not a lot of differences between players taken in the back of the 1st as opposed to the early 3rd range with the back of the 3rd having similar talent levels but more questions marks (injures, off-field issues, tweeners)

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    Here is a list of some defensive linemen for production comparison of their stats coming out of college. Not all from this years draft. A few are patriots. They are in no particular order.

    College career #'s:

     

    Name            Tkl/gm         TFL/gm         Sacks/gm

    J. Watt             4.04              1.38              0.44

    N. Suh              3.68              0.80              0.39

    A. Armstead     2.81              0.50              0.19

    B. Deaderick    1.98               0.32              0.17

    S. Floyd            4.00              0.85              0.20

    S. Richardson   4.67              0.77              0.25

    K. Short            3.72              0.98              0.39

    S. Williams       3.84              0.82              0.34

    J. Hankins        4.06              0.49              0.15

    J. Williams        2.26              0.24              0.06

     

    enjoy....

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    In response to Low-FB-IQ's comment:

    Here is a list of some defensive linemen for production comparison of their stats coming out of college. Not all from this years draft. A few are patriots. 

    College career #'s:

     

    Name                 Tkl/gm        TFL/gm         Sacks/gm

    1)J. Watt             4.04              1.38              0.44

    2)N. Suh              3.68              0.80              0.39

    3)A. Armstead     2.81              0.50              0.19

    4)B. Deaderick    1.98               0.32              0.17

    5)S. Floyd            4.00              0.85              0.20

    6)S. Richardson   4.67              0.77              0.25

    7)K. Short            3.72              0.98              0.39

    8)J. Hankins        4.06              0.49              0.15

    9)S. Williams       3.84              0.82              0.34

    10)J. Williams      2.26              0.24              0.06

     

    enjoy....



    Floyd, Richardson, Short and S Williams look good on those numbers. The thing is to me they also pass the eye test. I don't have the sharpest eyes but I don't know that many will disagree.

    Would love it if you could add J Jenkins' numbers too.

    Thanks for that.

     
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