***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Would anyone be disappointed if the Pats took Cyprien at 29 and made S a strength?

     




    At the end of the day, I want them to draft the best possible players and if they think Cyprien is that kid, then I'm all for it... he (along with a handful of other physical safeties) have remained on my board, even with the addition of Adrian.

     

    We know what type of impact a dynamic, physical safety can have on a defense and out outside of Wilson, who's on the downside of his career, they don't have this type of presence on the roster.

     




    MB, thanks for the feedback. I agree, the D plays a lot better with a physical presence back there and hasn't had that since Rodney. I love the Wilson signing and would love a kid who has the same playing style here to learn from him.

     

    With limited picks and a couple holes to fill it might be tough to do. However I've noticed Elam has dropped in some mocks, I'd be happy with either him or Cyprien especially if one were to drop into the 2nd and we could get an additional 2nd (Mallett trade perhaps). I know you've been high on both for awhile, who do you like more between the two?

     




    I'm hearing Eric Reid is moving up boards and could be the second safety taken.  Adrian Wilson could be just a one year situational player for us.  Would BB consider Reid if he makes it to 29?  He has good size and a lot of Rodney's attributes.

     

     



    Hey Faucet, I'm actually not as high on Reid. He has the size and can deliver a nice hit for sure. From what I've seen of him though he seems to play a little sloppy at times. He looks good against the run but his pass-coverage worries me and I wonder how much he benefited from playing with good CB's. Every so often I'd see a little bit of Meriweather in him. Don't get me wrong, I think he'll still be a decent player in the league. I've seen him in different mocks going in the 15-25 range

     




    Mayock is pretty high on him... 

    On safeties

    Kenny Vaccaro seems to be the consensus top safety in this year's draft class, but Mayock likes several prospects as potential late first-round, early second-round selections. Matt Elam, Eric Reid and Jonathan Cyprien could all fall within that range. Mayock reiterated recent hype for Reid, calling him a "big good looking kid with excellent movement skills."

    Your concerns are valid but hopefully it is more a matter of coaching the kid up, although we don't seem great at coaching DBs.

     
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    Would anyone be disappointed if the Pats took Cyprien at 29 and made S a strength?

     




    At the end of the day, I want them to draft the best possible players and if they think Cyprien is that kid, then I'm all for it... he (along with a handful of other physical safeties) have remained on my board, even with the addition of Adrian.

     

    We know what type of impact a dynamic, physical safety can have on a defense and out outside of Wilson, who's on the downside of his career, they don't have this type of presence on the roster.

     




    MB, thanks for the feedback. I agree, the D plays a lot better with a physical presence back there and hasn't had that since Rodney. I love the Wilson signing and would love a kid who has the same playing style here to learn from him.

     

    With limited picks and a couple holes to fill it might be tough to do. However I've noticed Elam has dropped in some mocks, I'd be happy with either him or Cyprien especially if one were to drop into the 2nd and we could get an additional 2nd (Mallett trade perhaps). I know you've been high on both for awhile, who do you like more between the two?

     




    I'm hearing Eric Reid is moving up boards and could be the second safety taken.  Adrian Wilson could be just a one year situational player for us.  Would BB consider Reid if he makes it to 29?  He has good size and a lot of Rodney's attributes.

     

     



    Hey Faucet, I'm actually not as high on Reid. He has the size and can deliver a nice hit for sure. From what I've seen of him though he seems to play a little sloppy at times. He looks good against the run but his pass-coverage worries me and I wonder how much he benefited from playing with good CB's. Every so often I'd see a little bit of Meriweather in him. Don't get me wrong, I think he'll still be a decent player in the league. I've seen him in different mocks going in the 15-25 range

     




    Now if we could land DJ Hayden at 29 that would be a real steal.  We could dump Marquice Cole once and for all.

     
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    So I'm looking to finalize my Top 3 options by draft day, though I expect it to be some combo of DJ Hayden, Jesse Williams & Sylvester Williams... Tank Carradine and Datone Jones would round out my Top 5.

    Who are the Top 5 players on your board?




    Hey Mb,

    My wish list is as follows:

    1st pick:

    Margus Hunt

    DJ Hayden

    Alec Ogletree

    Tyler Eifert (Hern and Gronk both questionable heading into season)

    Robert Woods

    One of the DTs would be attractive too.  I just feel like other positions need more help.

     

    2nd pick:

    Kyle Long

    Terrence Williams

    Tyrann Mathieu

    Stedman Bailey

    Brian Schwenke

     

    3rd pick:

    Ryan Swope

    Bacarri Rambo

    Jordan Poyer

    Da'Rick Rogers

    Andre Ellington

     
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    So I'm looking to finalize my Top 3 options by draft day, though I expect it to be some combo of DJ Hayden, Jesse Williams & Sylvester Williams... Tank Carradine and Datone Jones would round out my Top 5.

    Who are the Top 5 players on your board?

     




    Hey Mb,

     

    My wish list is as follows:

    1st pick:

    Margus Hunt

    DJ Hayden

    Alec Ogletree

    Tyler Eifert (Hern and Gronk both questionable heading into season)

    Robert Woods

    One of the DTs would be attractive too.  I just feel like other positions need more help.

     

    2nd pick:

    Kyle Long

    Terrence Williams

    Tyrann Mathieu

    Stedman Bailey

    Brian Schwenke

     

    3rd pick:

    Ryan Swope

    Bacarri Rambo

    Jordan Poyer

    Da'Rick Rogers

    Andre Ellington



    of those rd 1 obvious

    2, t.w

    3 rogers, rambo, poyer (but probably id only take rogers casue of the need)

     
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    I really wonder what BB could do with Ogletree.  A converted Safety that plays LB, it reminds me alot of when he brought in Tank Williams even though that was short lived.

     

    BB tried for years to get the TE's he coveted to create mismatches.  I wonder what he's trying to do today with the LB corps.  Hightower is enormous for a LB (6'4", 270lbs) and should probably be moved back inside to his natural position (mentioned by Faucetman above).

     

    So, I am totally in agreement with Faucetman, and I do think that the Pats should try to move up to get Ogletree.  

     
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    My Mock Draft:

    TRADES

    New England trades the #29 overall pick (640) to the Philadelphia Eagles for the #35 overall pick and the #101 overall pick (646)

    New England trades the #35 overall pick (550) to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the #43 overall pick, the #112 overall pick, and the #196 overall pick (553)

    Both teams are in need of QBs which are all likely to go in the late 1st-early 2nd, and the Pats take advantage of that and move down a couple times and add two 4ths and a 6th.

    PICKS

    #43 John Jenkins-DT-Georgia

    Pats tap into the strength of this class and add a monsterous DT in Jenkins. Jenkins is a phenomenal athlete, and will be able to succeed Wilfork in a few years after his retirement.  Jenkins does not have much pass rush capability, but it isn't horrendous either, and will improve the pass rush by taking up blockers.  Plus, the Pats just added Tommy Kelly and Armond Armstead, who should help add pass rush from the interior.  I also expect them to add either John Abraham or Dwight Freeney to further bolster the pass rush.  Jenkins can start right away and provide a nice physical presence next to Wilfork, and help eat up blockers and allow our pass rushers to thrive.

    #59 Markus Wheaton-WR-Oregon State

    Wheaton fits exactly what the Pats are looking for in a WR.  He is extremely fast and is a big play threat, but is a major threat in the slot due to his strong hands and route running ability.  He doesn't have the height of an ideal outside WR, but should be able to play there when needed.  Besides Randy Moss, the Pats do not really employ straight up burners.  Wheaton has been compared to Mike Wallace, and adding such an element to our offense will help to fill the hole left by Lloyd and Welker.

    #91 Logan Ryan-CB-Rutgers

    Ryan is a tall and physical corner, who should fit in well as a backup on the outside.  With Talib and Dennard entrenched as the starters, and Arrington a top-notch backup in the slot, all the Pats need to finish re-tooling the secondary is a backup corner who can play the outside, as Arrington is awful out there.  Ryan has good coverage skills and is solid in run support, and should fill that role very nicely.

    #101 Barrett Jones-OL-Alabama

    Once considered a 1st round pick, Jones has been dropping to rounds 3-4 consideration due to his lack of elite atleticism, but I'm sure BB would be thrilled to pick him up here.  Jones can play every spot on the line, and is coming from one of BB's favorite schools in Alabama.  Jones is experienced and talented, and offers the versatility BB likes in his backups.  He could be able to start in a year or two should the need arise.

    #112 Gerald Hodges-OLB-Penn State

    Like Alec Ogeltree and Kasheem Greene, Hodges too converted to LB from safety while at Penn State.  As such, he fills the Pats need for a coverage linebacker, who can also help out against the run.  Hodges comes from a linebacker factory in Penn State, so there is a good chance he turns out to be good in the pros.  Plus, he played for Bill O'Brien, so I'm sure BB has some inside info on him.  Hodges would be a nice piece to help round out our LB depth.

    #196 Brandon Kaufman-WR-Eastern Washington

    At this late juncture, the Pats try and add some size to their WR crew, and at 6' 4" 214, Kaufman fits the bill.  Kaufman was productive in college, and is a nice kind of pick to make here, when picks are by no means guarenteed to make the roster. Perhaps Kaufman beats out the likes of Michael Jenkins for the 5th receiver spot, or perhaps he makes the PS.

    #226 Prentiss Waggner-S/CB-Tennessee

    I was basically just looking at walterfootball.com, and saw Waggner as a potential late round get.  Honestly, it's nearly impossible to know who will be around in the 7th, and they are unlikely to make the team,  I saw this guy had versatility, which is what BB likes, so I slotted him to the Pats here.  He seems relatively athletic, so he could probably contribute on Special Teams.  Plus, safety is very deep through the late rounds, so perhaps he'd be more well known in a weaker year.

    #235 Onterio McCalebb-HB-Auburn

    Again, just browsing through walterfootball to find some late round prospect that could fit.  I saw McCalebb blazed a 4.34, and the Pats could use an extra back for camp with the loss of Woodhead.  Another fast guy would fit in well as a late round pick, but again, who knows here?  He also has solid receiving and return ability but is very light and frail.  Honestly though, you're not getting an immediate contributer here.  Best case is that McCalebb spends the year bulking up while on the practice squad.  Still, the speed is enticing at this late juncture.

     
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    My top hopes for the draft are first pick (hopefully, they trade back and get extra picks) are an impact defender. Would be happy with Datone Jones or Sylvester Williams. Would then like Robert Woods or Markus Wheaton. Lastly, you can never have too many cornerbacks - would love to see Tyrann Mathieu in a Pats uniform, but I doubt he would be available unless the Pats move back a couple of times. 

    I also don't think you want to move Mallett - would you really rather have Matt Barkley over Ryan Mallett? Not sure I would - Barkley reminds me of Sanchez. 

     

     

     
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    In response to titletownfan's comment:

    My Mock Draft:

    TRADES

    New England trades the #29 overall pick (640) to the Philadelphia Eagles for the #35 overall pick and the #101 overall pick (646)

    New England trades the #35 overall pick (550) to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the #43 overall pick, the #112 overall pick, and the #196 overall pick (553)

    Both teams are in need of QBs which are all likely to go in the late 1st-early 2nd, and the Pats take advantage of that and move down a couple times and add two 4ths and a 6th.

    PICKS

    #43 John Jenkins-DT-Georgia

    Pats tap into the strength of this class and add a monsterous DT in Jenkins. Jenkins is a phenomenal athlete, and will be able to succeed Wilfork in a few years after his retirement.  Jenkins does not have much pass rush capability, but it isn't horrendous either, and will improve the pass rush by taking up blockers.  Plus, the Pats just added Tommy Kelly and Armond Armstead, who should help add pass rush from the interior.  I also expect them to add either John Abraham or Dwight Freeney to further bolster the pass rush.  Jenkins can start right away and provide a nice physical presence next to Wilfork, and help eat up blockers and allow our pass rushers to thrive.

    #59 Markus Wheaton-WR-Oregon State

    Wheaton fits exactly what the Pats are looking for in a WR.  He is extremely fast and is a big play threat, but is a major threat in the slot due to his strong hands and route running ability.  He doesn't have the height of an ideal outside WR, but should be able to play there when needed.  Besides Randy Moss, the Pats do not really employ straight up burners.  Wheaton has been compared to Mike Wallace, and adding such an element to our offense will help to fill the hole left by Lloyd and Welker.

    #91 Logan Ryan-CB-Rutgers

    Ryan is a tall and physical corner, who should fit in well as a backup on the outside.  With Talib and Dennard entrenched as the starters, and Arrington a top-notch backup in the slot, all the Pats need to finish re-tooling the secondary is a backup corner who can play the outside, as Arrington is awful out there.  Ryan has good coverage skills and is solid in run support, and should fill that role very nicely.

    #101 Barrett Jones-OL-Alabama

    Once considered a 1st round pick, Jones has been dropping to rounds 3-4 consideration due to his lack of elite atleticism, but I'm sure BB would be thrilled to pick him up here.  Jones can play every spot on the line, and is coming from one of BB's favorite schools in Alabama.  Jones is experienced and talented, and offers the versatility BB likes in his backups.  He could be able to start in a year or two should the need arise.

    #112 Gerald Hodges-OLB-Penn State

    Like Alec Ogeltree and Kasheem Greene, Hodges too converted to LB from safety while at Penn State.  As such, he fills the Pats need for a coverage linebacker, who can also help out against the run.  Hodges comes from a linebacker factory in Penn State, so there is a good chance he turns out to be good in the pros.  Plus, he played for Bill O'Brien, so I'm sure BB has some inside info on him.  Hodges would be a nice piece to help round out our LB depth.

    #196 Brandon Kaufman-WR-Eastern Washington

    At this late juncture, the Pats try and add some size to their WR crew, and at 6' 4" 214, Kaufman fits the bill.  Kaufman was productive in college, and is a nice kind of pick to make here, when picks are by no means guarenteed to make the roster. Perhaps Kaufman beats out the likes of Michael Jenkins for the 5th receiver spot, or perhaps he makes the PS.

    #226 Prentiss Waggner-S/CB-Tennessee

    I was basically just looking at walterfootball.com, and saw Waggner as a potential late round get.  Honestly, it's nearly impossible to know who will be around in the 7th, and they are unlikely to make the team,  I saw this guy had versatility, which is what BB likes, so I slotted him to the Pats here.  He seems relatively athletic, so he could probably contribute on Special Teams.  Plus, safety is very deep through the late rounds, so perhaps he'd be more well known in a weaker year.

    #235 Onterio McCalebb-HB-Auburn

    Again, just browsing through walterfootball to find some late round prospect that could fit.  I saw McCalebb blazed a 4.34, and the Pats could use an extra back for camp with the loss of Woodhead.  Another fast guy would fit in well as a late round pick, but again, who knows here?  He also has solid receiving and return ability but is very light and frail.  Honestly though, you're not getting an immediate contributer here.  Best case is that McCalebb spends the year bulking up while on the practice squad.  Still, the speed is enticing at this late juncture.



    This would be outstanding, especially the trade scenarios!  I'm not at all optimistic that we will be able to trade down like you suggest, but it would be very good if we could.  Good job.

     
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    In response to mcboyd22's comment:

    My top hopes for the draft are first pick (hopefully, they trade back and get extra picks) are an impact defender. Would be happy with Datone Jones or Sylvester Williams. Would then like Robert Woods or Markus Wheaton. Lastly, you can never have too many cornerbacks - would love to see Tyrann Mathieu in a Pats uniform, but I doubt he would be available unless the Pats move back a couple of times. 

    I also don't think you want to move Mallett - would you really rather have Matt Barkley over Ryan Mallett? Not sure I would - Barkley reminds me of Sanchez. 

     

     



    I'd rather have a DeAndre Hopkin, Jonathan Hankins, J. Williams, Jamar Taylor over Mallett. If they trade Mallett for a 2nd they won't use that second to replace him, that would be silly. However, given any of the above with an early 2nd I'd take anyone of them over a backup QB because lets face it, if Brady goes down we might make the playoffs but won't go anywhere with Mallett. I'd much rather trade Mallett for a 2nd this year, get some talent that can help this year and draft Tuel or another QB who they can develop for Brady's replacement 3-4 years down the road.

     
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    Latest ramblings I've been hearing:

    • Buf will use their #8 pick on either Nassib or Barkley (Nassib is more the likely choice)
    • Jets will take Geno at either #9 or #13 if he's available
    • Hopkins can go as high as the Rams in the teens as now they talked to him 2 times
    • D.J. Hayden could be the 2nd CB off the boards in the teens
    • Milliner could come off the boards to Clev at #6

     

    From my own personal thoughts:

    Phi could be a wild card to trade for Mallett. Kelley being friends with BB would get insight on Mallett and training in a Kelley type of system over the last 2 years should give him an edge. Mallett is the big body, strong arm QB that fits well into Kelley's system. Additionally if 2 QB's go in the top 13 picks it's likely someone will trade back into the 1st to grab a 3rd QB in the 1st. This leaves Phi with no options but to be that team that trades back into the 1st or trade for the likes of Mallett

     
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    In response to titletownfan's comment:

    My Mock Draft:

    TRADES

    New England trades the #29 overall pick (640) to the Philadelphia Eagles for the #35 overall pick and the #101 overall pick (646)

    New England trades the #35 overall pick (550) to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the #43 overall pick, the #112 overall pick, and the #196 overall pick (553)

    Both teams are in need of QBs which are all likely to go in the late 1st-early 2nd, and the Pats take advantage of that and move down a couple times and add two 4ths and a 6th.

    PICKS

    #43 John Jenkins-DT-Georgia

    Pats tap into the strength of this class and add a monsterous DT in Jenkins. Jenkins is a phenomenal athlete, and will be able to succeed Wilfork in a few years after his retirement.  Jenkins does not have much pass rush capability, but it isn't horrendous either, and will improve the pass rush by taking up blockers.  Plus, the Pats just added Tommy Kelly and Armond Armstead, who should help add pass rush from the interior.  I also expect them to add either John Abraham or Dwight Freeney to further bolster the pass rush.  Jenkins can start right away and provide a nice physical presence next to Wilfork, and help eat up blockers and allow our pass rushers to thrive.

    #59 Markus Wheaton-WR-Oregon State

    Wheaton fits exactly what the Pats are looking for in a WR.  He is extremely fast and is a big play threat, but is a major threat in the slot due to his strong hands and route running ability.  He doesn't have the height of an ideal outside WR, but should be able to play there when needed.  Besides Randy Moss, the Pats do not really employ straight up burners.  Wheaton has been compared to Mike Wallace, and adding such an element to our offense will help to fill the hole left by Lloyd and Welker.

    #91 Logan Ryan-CB-Rutgers

    Ryan is a tall and physical corner, who should fit in well as a backup on the outside.  With Talib and Dennard entrenched as the starters, and Arrington a top-notch backup in the slot, all the Pats need to finish re-tooling the secondary is a backup corner who can play the outside, as Arrington is awful out there.  Ryan has good coverage skills and is solid in run support, and should fill that role very nicely.

    #101 Barrett Jones-OL-Alabama

    Once considered a 1st round pick, Jones has been dropping to rounds 3-4 consideration due to his lack of elite atleticism, but I'm sure BB would be thrilled to pick him up here.  Jones can play every spot on the line, and is coming from one of BB's favorite schools in Alabama.  Jones is experienced and talented, and offers the versatility BB likes in his backups.  He could be able to start in a year or two should the need arise.

    #112 Gerald Hodges-OLB-Penn State

    Like Alec Ogeltree and Kasheem Greene, Hodges too converted to LB from safety while at Penn State.  As such, he fills the Pats need for a coverage linebacker, who can also help out against the run.  Hodges comes from a linebacker factory in Penn State, so there is a good chance he turns out to be good in the pros.  Plus, he played for Bill O'Brien, so I'm sure BB has some inside info on him.  Hodges would be a nice piece to help round out our LB depth.

    #196 Brandon Kaufman-WR-Eastern Washington

    At this late juncture, the Pats try and add some size to their WR crew, and at 6' 4" 214, Kaufman fits the bill.  Kaufman was productive in college, and is a nice kind of pick to make here, when picks are by no means guarenteed to make the roster. Perhaps Kaufman beats out the likes of Michael Jenkins for the 5th receiver spot, or perhaps he makes the PS.

    #226 Prentiss Waggner-S/CB-Tennessee

    I was basically just looking at walterfootball.com, and saw Waggner as a potential late round get.  Honestly, it's nearly impossible to know who will be around in the 7th, and they are unlikely to make the team,  I saw this guy had versatility, which is what BB likes, so I slotted him to the Pats here.  He seems relatively athletic, so he could probably contribute on Special Teams.  Plus, safety is very deep through the late rounds, so perhaps he'd be more well known in a weaker year.

    #235 Onterio McCalebb-HB-Auburn

    Again, just browsing through walterfootball to find some late round prospect that could fit.  I saw McCalebb blazed a 4.34, and the Pats could use an extra back for camp with the loss of Woodhead.  Another fast guy would fit in well as a late round pick, but again, who knows here?  He also has solid receiving and return ability but is very light and frail.  Honestly though, you're not getting an immediate contributer here.  Best case is that McCalebb spends the year bulking up while on the practice squad.  Still, the speed is enticing at this late juncture.

    Great job, I think your in the ballpark with most picks.


     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    So I'm looking to finalize my Top 3 options by draft day, though I expect it to be some combo of DJ Hayden, Jesse Williams & Sylvester Williams... Tank Carradine and Datone Jones would round out my Top 5.

    Who are the Top 5 players on your board?

    I don't know about top 5 players but players I would consider at #29 value with need also factored in. (also without really knowing how any of the current players contract status factors in)

    Deandre Hopkins

    Tyler Eifert

    Tank Carradine

    Datone Jones

    and maybe Jesse Williams, Kawann Short, Jamar Taylor, Quinton Patton

     
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    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

    So I'm looking to finalize my Top 3 options by draft day, though I expect it to be some combo of DJ Hayden, Jesse Williams & Sylvester Williams... Tank Carradine and Datone Jones would round out my Top 5.

    Who are the Top 5 players on your board?



    I have two seperate top 5's really. One I think the Pats will realistically look at and then my own personal top 5.

    Pats realistically look at (in no particular order):

    • Jamar Taylor CB
    • DeAndre Hopkins WR
    • Jonathan Hankins DT
    • Bjoern Werner DE
    • Margus Hunt DE

    My personal top 5 (in order):

    • Jonathan Hankins DT
    • Jonathan Jenkins DT
    • Jesse Williams DT
    • Jamar Taylor CB
    • DeAndre Hopkins WR
    • (notable runner ups Margus Hunt, Blidi Wren-Wilson, Bjoern Werner)

     

     
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    I just don't understand bred. Carradine, is not a 3 down player and prior to the knee injury was a huge liability in the run game. Florida ran all over him. He wasn't even a full time player at Florida State. He's a good-great pass rusher but would have to come off the field in running situations or teams will take huge advantage of that. Will be interesting to see how he comes back from the injury and what caused that sudden explosion of pass rushing ability but not a guy I want. To many times Guys who bust out their senior year with only one aspect don't have the same explosion in production in the Pro's. I also look for steady production and consistent increase in production as, imo, it translates into better overall production in the Por's 

     



    so youd take werner over jones...

     



    Sorry for the late reply. If you are talking Datone Jones then yes I'd much rather have Werner. If you are talking Chandler Jones that makes it much more difficult. If you take Chandlers numbers over 7 games and project them over the full college season he ends up with around the same numbers as Werner. To me Werner is more poslished and I like his high motor and ability to overcome physical short comings to provide consistent pressure and consistent performance. Chandler to me has higher upside  but won't provide the same level of consistency you would find in Werner. Really it comes down to that we do have Chandler so I want someone with a more consistent game that took on double teams consistent and still provided pressure then someone with potential upside. If we didn't have Jones and didn't have someone with as much potential I might be more willing to take the gamble given our weakness but Werner and Jones are similar type of players with the exception that Werner generates consistent pressure through his motor while Jones provides pressure because of physical ability, which gives him an advantage if he can improve on his consistency

     
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    I just have a feeling that Margus Hunt will be the pick for New England at 29.  I feel like his rawness will be enough for him to slide to that point but his unique physical attributes and upside will be too much for Belichick to pass up.

     
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    Hey guys this is a draft simulator, you can trade the picks and it will simulate a player in the new spot, take a look...

    For example if NE trades out the first and receive a second and fourth, the simulator will give 2 players to the new spots

     

    http://drafttek.com/new%20simulator/frmLogin.aspx

     
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    I just have a feeling that Margus Hunt will be the pick for New England at 29.  I feel like his rawness will be enough for him to slide to that point but his unique physical attributes and upside will be too much for Belichick to pass up.




    His length, rawness and upside also screams NYG type pick... though I'm not sure he's worthy of a Top 20 pick.  Personally I don't like him in Rd 1, but the upside is undeniable.

     
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    I just have a feeling that Margus Hunt will be the pick for New England at 29.  I feel like his rawness will be enough for him to slide to that point but his unique physical attributes and upside will be too much for Belichick to pass up.

     




    His length, rawness and upside also screams NYG type pick... though I'm not sure he's worthy of a Top 20 pick.  Personally I don't like him in Rd 1, but the upside is undeniable.

     

     



    Yeah I agree the giants seem like a good fit for him also. I just don't think they will be able to convince themselves to pull the trigger on hunt at 19.  In my opinion he is just raw enough that taking him in the top 20 is a little too scary.  For the record, I don't love taking Hunt in the first round either. To me, that pick would look a lot better if they traded back into the early second and then took him.  I just have a feeling that this is the direction Belichick will go Thursday night. We will see...

     

     
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    I just have a feeling that Margus Hunt will be the pick for New England at 29.  I feel like his rawness will be enough for him to slide to that point but his unique physical attributes and upside will be too much for Belichick to pass up.

     




    His length, rawness and upside also screams NYG type pick... though I'm not sure he's worthy of a Top 20 pick.  Personally I don't like him in Rd 1, but the upside is undeniable.

     



    I'd be more comfortable taking him in the early 2nd but I see a ton of potential and his performance has been on a steady rise in college suggesting to me he takes to coaching very well. When you combo the ability to take in coaching along with the upside I wouldn't complain at all taking him at #29. That's one advantage I'd say Hunt has over other high potential players is his track record to taking to coaching. I'll try to find the article but I remember reading during Senior Bowl practices how much he improved over a short period of time under NFL coaching, which to me is a great sign 

     
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    Latest ramblings I've been hearing:

    • Buf will use their #8 pick on either Nassib or Barkley (Nassib is more the likely choice)
    • Jets will take Geno at either #9 or #13 if he's available
    • Hopkins can go as high as the Rams in the teens as now they talked to him 2 times
    • D.J. Hayden could be the 2nd CB off the boards in the teens
    • Milliner could come off the boards to Clev at #6

     

    From my own personal thoughts:

    Phi could be a wild card to trade for Mallett. Kelley being friends with BB would get insight on Mallett and training in a Kelley type of system over the last 2 years should give him an edge. Mallett is the big body, strong arm QB that fits well into Kelley's system. Additionally if 2 QB's go in the top 13 picks it's likely someone will trade back into the 1st to grab a 3rd QB in the 1st. This leaves Phi with no options but to be that team that trades back into the 1st or trade for the likes of Mallett

     



    Don't think Mallet is mobile enough to run Kelly's system. Maybe Philly trades up for #29 and picks Manuel from Florida State.

     

     
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    Latest ramblings I've been hearing:

    • Buf will use their #8 pick on either Nassib or Barkley (Nassib is more the likely choice)
    • Jets will take Geno at either #9 or #13 if he's available
    • Hopkins can go as high as the Rams in the teens as now they talked to him 2 times
    • D.J. Hayden could be the 2nd CB off the boards in the teens
    • Milliner could come off the boards to Clev at #6

     

    From my own personal thoughts:

    Phi could be a wild card to trade for Mallett. Kelley being friends with BB would get insight on Mallett and training in a Kelley type of system over the last 2 years should give him an edge. Mallett is the big body, strong arm QB that fits well into Kelley's system. Additionally if 2 QB's go in the top 13 picks it's likely someone will trade back into the 1st to grab a 3rd QB in the 1st. This leaves Phi with no options but to be that team that trades back into the 1st or trade for the likes of Mallett




    For what it's worth, Mayock has Hayden as his #1 CB in the draft... so he just may be gone, prior to 29... if not, he's prob the top prospect on my board, ahead of Jesse and Sylvester, though I'd be happy with all (3).

     
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    Latest ramblings I've been hearing:

    • Buf will use their #8 pick on either Nassib or Barkley (Nassib is more the likely choice)
    • Jets will take Geno at either #9 or #13 if he's available
    • Hopkins can go as high as the Rams in the teens as now they talked to him 2 times
    • D.J. Hayden could be the 2nd CB off the boards in the teens
    • Milliner could come off the boards to Clev at #6

     

    From my own personal thoughts:

    Phi could be a wild card to trade for Mallett. Kelley being friends with BB would get insight on Mallett and training in a Kelley type of system over the last 2 years should give him an edge. Mallett is the big body, strong arm QB that fits well into Kelley's system. Additionally if 2 QB's go in the top 13 picks it's likely someone will trade back into the 1st to grab a 3rd QB in the 1st. This leaves Phi with no options but to be that team that trades back into the 1st or trade for the likes of Mallett

     




     

    For what it's worth, Mayock has Hayden as his #1 CB in the draft... so he just may be gone, prior to 29... if not, he's prob the top prospect on my board, ahead of Jesse and Sylvester, though I'd be happy with all (3).



    I`m only concerned about his injury historic

     
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    In response to PatsEng's comment:

     

    Latest ramblings I've been hearing:

    • Buf will use their #8 pick on either Nassib or Barkley (Nassib is more the likely choice)
    • Jets will take Geno at either #9 or #13 if he's available
    • Hopkins can go as high as the Rams in the teens as now they talked to him 2 times
    • D.J. Hayden could be the 2nd CB off the boards in the teens
    • Milliner could come off the boards to Clev at #6

     

    From my own personal thoughts:

    Phi could be a wild card to trade for Mallett. Kelley being friends with BB would get insight on Mallett and training in a Kelley type of system over the last 2 years should give him an edge. Mallett is the big body, strong arm QB that fits well into Kelley's system. Additionally if 2 QB's go in the top 13 picks it's likely someone will trade back into the 1st to grab a 3rd QB in the 1st. This leaves Phi with no options but to be that team that trades back into the 1st or trade for the likes of Mallett

     



    Don't think Mallet is mobile enough to run Kelly's system. Maybe Philly trades up for #29 and picks Manuel from Florida State.

     



    In college I agree but I don't think mobile option O's run very well in the Pro's unless you have a RGIII who isn't just an option QB and can stand in the pocket. Those are few and far between. Imo, BB's adaptation of Kelley's system where the option is more WR based and QB pre-snap based then after snap but still up tempo. If this is the case then Kelley's O should evolve more into an O that has a big QB (ala Big Ben) who can move around in the pocket but more importantly can change at the line and has the ability to throw deep with accuracy opening the running game and underneath slant routes. Mallett has a strong case to be that style of QB.

     
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    Probably been talked about before, but has anyone noticed how far Werner has dropped in some of these mock drafts? I can't see him making it out of the top 15. 

     



    for a couple weeks yes. i have asked if he and carradien there at 29 what do you do? no opinions registered yet

     

     



    Sorry, didn't see that. I'd take Werner without a second thought. I still rank him just after Ziggy and Jordan. I think he'd be a perfect bookend to C.Jones at LDE. I don't see any weakness and I like his upside. Ziggy and Jordan are freaks but I think Werner plays the run better and just needs to add more moves to his pass rush

     

     



    thanks for weighing in home. i dont know if the mockers have the pulse, but i see more and more moving werner down to 28-30ish (our range). seems to be related to his speed .

     




    If he'd available there then he'd be at the top of my board even though I've been hoping for a DT or WR. He's got football speed and instincts which is more important. Really good motor too

     
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