Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***
posted at 10/15/2012 9:38 PM EDT
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It's a good question... I'll start by saying, for all the talk last year about Barron and how he was overrated due to the lack of overall depth in the 2012 S draft class, I'd still take him over any safety in this class as well.
I look forward to watching more 2012 tape on Reid, as the more I watch of his 2011 tape, the more he looks like more of an athlete with hitting ability than a pure football player... the natural talent and movement ability is undeniable, but I'm seeing too many missed tackles and bad angles.
When I watch Elam on tape, I'd compare him (from a size/speed/physicality/aggression standpoint) favorably to Patrick Chung, though I think he's a much better cover guy. He's used a lot as a nickel/slot cover guy (an area where Chung struggles), moves well in the short area... has solid awareness and will make a play on the football. He's also a very good run defender, very physical... and while he can miss some tackles, he's often breaks down and is in good position to make a play. His value to the Gators is clear as he's moved around quite a bit, blitzes often off the edge (not that NE would do any of that), plays with good technique and looks assignment sound and always seems to be around the football... he looks to be more of a finished product than Reid.
Given my choice on 10/15/12, I'd take Elam over Reid.
I do look forward to watching more S tape on this class though, which includes McDonald, Lester, Jefferson and Vaccaro, etc.
Good stuff! Thanks for the input! I like Elam alot and he looks fast and can deliver a good hit. I'm hoping to see more of him against South Carolina this weekend.
I agree with you about Barron and I'd even throw Harrison Smith in there as well. This years class seems to have a lot of solid safety's but I don't think I could pick one that is better than Barron and Smith just yet. Still lots of football to play though.
No prob man, just trying to go on what I see (the only tape available)... and the more I research Safeties, the more I see players going for the knock out blow vs. wrapping up... it's become kind of the football culture... we all love a huge hit, but I'd prefer the player go down on the spot vs. a huge shoulder that the runner bounces off of and picks up another 10-15, ha.
Reid is the higher rated kid right now (His size is prob a huge plus for scouts evaluators; has 4 inches on Elam), I just prefer Elam's play more right now. This may seem weird, but Elam hasn't worn gloves or wrist bands (or some I remember) in the games that I've seen this year, instead having just tape on his fingers (similar to former LSU and current Steeler S, Ryan Clark and former ND/Raider WR Tim Brown) and there is some sort of blue collar/old school type appeal in that for me... since most every player wears gloves and 27 wrist bands these days.
If you liked Harrison, take a look at ND Zeke Motta... he's almost a pysical clone of Harrison, but not quite the level of player... he'll prob come off the board late on day 2 or day 3... he's really improved this year and could be the most physical S in this class... a real tone setter in the secondary.
True, so many guys look for the big hit over wrapping up. I think Rodney Harrison excelled at that, knowing when to wrap and when to deliver a blow. Meriweather was the opposite always looking for the big hit.
Its funny you mentioned because of all the times I've seen Ryan Clark, I think thursday night was the first time I noticed his hands were taped and he didn't wear gloves. I know what you're saying on little things like that that impress
I've seen some of Zeke Motta and he is impressive! Its a good comparison to Smith. There are so many guys on the ND defense to watch this year but he's a guy I want to keep watching and see more of this year