***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Guys...any news on sanders? Did we put in an offer sheet for him? I am finding news we did and news we didn't.

    even if sanders is brought onboard, I still think the pats should and will draft a WR, especially if they don't bring back Edelman, and if donte doesn't play for whatever reason. It would leave us with amendola, sanders, jones. A couple of big question marks on health from 2 of those 3. 

    i would like to see Hopkins or hunter. Love austin but seems like we have an over abundance of slot types or guys that can at least play it. Give me a guy that is going to make his living on the outside with some speed and length. 

     

     




     

    I was wondering the same thing in regards to Sanders... haven't seen any updated info, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.  I do agree though that even with a Sanders signing that they'd still need to bring in another WR and preferably one that can play on the outside, i.e. Hopkins.

     



    You like Hopkins or hunter on the outside? 

     



    Hopkins all day for me.

     
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    Guys...any news on sanders? Did we put in an offer sheet for him? I am finding news we did and news we didn't.

    even if sanders is brought onboard, I still think the pats should and will draft a WR, especially if they don't bring back Edelman, and if donte doesn't play for whatever reason. It would leave us with amendola, sanders, jones. A couple of big question marks on health from 2 of those 3. 

    i would like to see Hopkins or hunter. Love austin but seems like we have an over abundance of slot types or guys that can at least play it. Give me a guy that is going to make his living on the outside with some speed and length. 

     

     




     

    I was wondering the same thing in regards to Sanders... haven't seen any updated info, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.  I do agree though that even with a Sanders signing that they'd still need to bring in another WR and preferably one that can play on the outside, i.e. Hopkins.

     



    You like Hopkins or hunter on the outside? 

     

     



    Hopkins all day for me.

     



    Hopkins seems like a receiver the Pats would be interested in. Wouldn't be surprised if he is their number 1 ranked WR.

     
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    Guys...any news on sanders? Did we put in an offer sheet for him? I am finding news we did and news we didn't.

    even if sanders is brought onboard, I still think the pats should and will draft a WR, especially if they don't bring back Edelman, and if donte doesn't play for whatever reason. It would leave us with amendola, sanders, jones. A couple of big question marks on health from 2 of those 3. 

    i would like to see Hopkins or hunter. Love austin but seems like we have an over abundance of slot types or guys that can at least play it. Give me a guy that is going to make his living on the outside with some speed and length. 

     

     




     

    I was wondering the same thing in regards to Sanders... haven't seen any updated info, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.  I do agree though that even with a Sanders signing that they'd still need to bring in another WR and preferably one that can play on the outside, i.e. Hopkins.

     



    You like Hopkins or hunter on the outside? 

     

     



    Hopkins all day for me.

     

     



    Hopkins seems like a receiver the Pats would be interested in. Wouldn't be surprised if he is their number 1 ranked WR.

     

     



    I may be in the minority on this one, but I think Hopkins is the #1 WR in this class overall.  Love his combo if size, physicality, ball skills and RAC ability.

     

     
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    Guys...any news on sanders? Did we put in an offer sheet for him? I am finding news we did and news we didn't.

    even if sanders is brought onboard, I still think the pats should and will draft a WR, especially if they don't bring back Edelman, and if donte doesn't play for whatever reason. It would leave us with amendola, sanders, jones. A couple of big question marks on health from 2 of those 3. 

    i would like to see Hopkins or hunter. Love austin but seems like we have an over abundance of slot types or guys that can at least play it. Give me a guy that is going to make his living on the outside with some speed and length. 

     

     




     

    I was wondering the same thing in regards to Sanders... haven't seen any updated info, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.  I do agree though that even with a Sanders signing that they'd still need to bring in another WR and preferably one that can play on the outside, i.e. Hopkins.

     



    You like Hopkins or hunter on the outside? 

     

     



    Hopkins all day for me.

     

     



    Hopkins seems like a receiver the Pats would be interested in. Wouldn't be surprised if he is their number 1 ranked WR.

     



    i have not seen him #1 on anyones list. however he looks a good fit here.

    several other big wrs avail if we double up or miss on hopkins, including da rick rogers

     
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    I believe the Pats first round pick will be between a WR or a DT.

    WR:
    Keenan Allen
    Tavon Austin
    Robert Woods
    Justin Hunter
    DeAndre Hopkins

    DT:
    Sheldon Richardson
    Kawann Short
    Sylvester Williams

     
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    I've gotta say, I am not happy with how our WR situation is shaping up.  Right now we have Amendola instead of Welker and Jones instead of Lloyd.  Both significant downgrades. We take two durable guys with better production and replace them with guys who have injury/health issues.  With our two less-than-durable TEs, I could see us in big trouble if these guys start to drop like flies.

    Now I'm hearing Edelman could go to San Fran.  That would not be good at all.

    Even if we got Sanders, we have not improved over last year's WR corpes.  The F/A class is getting thin at WR.  Heyward-Bay could be the best option left.  I think we have to draft one WR for sure.  If we don't get Sanders or add another quality F/A WR we need to draft 2 of them in the first 3 rounds. 

    This is looking like 2006 all over again.  Brady cannot be happy.

     
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    I'm with you Faucet.  Just a few days ago it seemed like WR was behind CB or DL.  Now it's becoming more imperative.  I'm not against the new guys but the durability issues are worrisome.

     
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    Stay calm faucet. Bb is going to make some moves in FA, and I think he adds 2 more wr's. By the time camp rolls around, we will have beefed up our WR corps and be better for it. 

     
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    I'm not a DHB fan. I'd rather give Titus Young a shot at a low guarantee contract. Guys like Laurent Robinson, David Nelson, Steve Breaston, Early Doucet, and Ramses Barden.

     
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    I'm with you Faucet.  Just a few days ago it seemed like WR was behind CB or DL.  Now it's becoming more imperative.  I'm not against the new guys but the durability issues are worrisome.




    Yeah, even Sanders has injury concerns assuming we get him.

     

     
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    Stay calm faucet. Bb is going to make some moves in FA, and I think he adds 2 more wr's. By the time camp rolls around, we will have beefed up our WR corps and be better for it. 




    IDK.  I don't see a lot of WR talent left in F/A.  I think I'll be scared awhile, lol.

     
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    I've gotta say, I am not happy with how our WR situation is shaping up.  Right now we have Amendola instead of Welker and Jones instead of Lloyd.  Both significant downgrades. We take two durable guys with better production and replace them with guys who have injury/health issues.  With our two less-than-durable TEs, I could see us in big trouble if these guys start to drop like flies.

    Now I'm hearing Edelman could go to San Fran.  That would not be good at all.

    Even if we got Sanders, we have not improved over last year's WR corpes.  The F/A class is getting thin at WR.  Heyward-Bay could be the best option left.  I think we have to draft one WR for sure.  If we don't get Sanders or add another quality F/A WR we need to draft 2 of them in the first 3 rounds. 

    This is looking like 2006 all over again.  Brady cannot be happy.

     



    Removing the potential for injuries to happen to any WR or TE from the equation for a moment. ...and assuming the Pats eventually land ES.

     

    How exactly do you "know" the receiving situation is at a significant downgrade to last year? Have you seen any of these three players play in the Patriots offensive system and with TB before? Not sure what we know we'll get. One way or the other.

    I am assuming its just your gut feeling Faucet.

     

    Welker 118 rec 174 tgts 11.5 avg .67 rec/tgt

    Amendola 63 rec 101 tgts 10.6 avg .62 rec/tgt (without TB, Gronk, etc)

    Welker - 5'9, 32 yrs old at start of season

    Amendola - 5'11, 27 yrs old at start of season

     

    Lloyd 74 rec 130 tgts 12.3 avg .56 rec/tgt

    Sanders 44 rec 74 tgts 14.2 avg .59 rec/tgt (without TB, Gronk, etc)

    Lloyd - 6'0, 32 yrs old at start of season

    Sanders - 5'11, 26 yrs old at start of season

     

    Branch 16 rec 29 tgts 9.1 avg .55 rec/tgt

    Jones 41 rec 67 tgts 10.8 avg .61 rec/tgt (without TB, Gronk, etc)

    Branch - 5'9, 34 yrs old at start of season

    Jones - 6'0, 25 yrs old at strat of season

     

    I just do not see a significant downgrade to last year. ...and if TB helps elevate those guys even a lil bit? No good vibes creeping in?

     
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    Sanders isn't a patriot



    That is why the post starts with ...and assuming the patriots eventually land ES ;-)

     
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    I've gotta say, I am not happy with how our WR situation is shaping up.  Right now we have Amendola instead of Welker and Jones instead of Lloyd.  Both significant downgrades. We take two durable guys with better production and replace them with guys who have injury/health issues.  With our two less-than-durable TEs, I could see us in big trouble if these guys start to drop like flies.

    Now I'm hearing Edelman could go to San Fran.  That would not be good at all.

    Even if we got Sanders, we have not improved over last year's WR corpes.  The F/A class is getting thin at WR.  Heyward-Bay could be the best option left.  I think we have to draft one WR for sure.  If we don't get Sanders or add another quality F/A WR we need to draft 2 of them in the first 3 rounds. 

    This is looking like 2006 all over again.  Brady cannot be happy.



    i dont think its ideal. welker is a tank, virtually indescructable., a team first guy, i could see letting him go if we went and paid jennings 8 mil per year on a big contract. otherwise paying wes 2yrs -16 was a safeer way to go. amendola has more talent than wes probably and better hands, but its a gamblel that he stays healthy. he broke his chest open diving to the turf. we'll see.

    whether we had lloyd or jones, we are going to need a big outside wr.

    been saying for a few weeks, we shoudl get all our needs ie cb, pass rusher, o line, and if dt needed, in fa and take pass rusher and 2 big wrs in the draft (hopkins / rogers or similar)

    trade mallet, use 2014 picks, whatever.

    facuet i agree, wood, edelman, wlekr, lloyd were more reliable proven guys than what we have

    and too, i did want ot revamp the offense and nto have 6,000 passes for 4 yards and have a big reliable fast guy take 2 defenders with him on every play on the outside (not lloyd).

    so its a big risk. but there is a chance we can be better.

    there might have been a middle ground???

    bring abrahmam and grimes in, sanders im ehh. more proven than a rookie, but not the size i want in say a da rick rogers.

     
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    I've gotta say, I am not happy with how our WR situation is shaping up.  Right now we have Amendola instead of Welker and Jones instead of Lloyd.  Both significant downgrades. We take two durable guys with better production and replace them with guys who have injury/health issues.  With our two less-than-durable TEs, I could see us in big trouble if these guys start to drop like flies.

    Now I'm hearing Edelman could go to San Fran.  That would not be good at all.

    Even if we got Sanders, we have not improved over last year's WR corpes.  The F/A class is getting thin at WR.  Heyward-Bay could be the best option left.  I think we have to draft one WR for sure.  If we don't get Sanders or add another quality F/A WR we need to draft 2 of them in the first 3 rounds. 

    This is looking like 2006 all over again.  Brady cannot be happy.

     



    i dont think its ideal. welker is a tank, virtually indescructable., a team first guy, i could see letting him go if we went and paid jennings 8 mil per year on a big contract. otherwise paying wes 2yrs -16 was a safeer way to go. amendola has more talent than wes probably and better hands, but its a gamblel that he stays healthy. he broke his chest open diving to the turf. we'll see.

     

    whether we had lloyd or jones, we are going to need a big outside wr.

    been saying for a few weeks, we shoudl get all our needs ie cb, pass rusher, o line, and if dt needed, in fa and take pass rusher and 2 big wrs in the draft (hopkins / rogers or similar)

    trade mallet, use 2014 picks, whatever.

    facuet i agree, wood, edelman, wlekr, lloyd were more reliable proven guys than what we have

    and too, i did want ot revamp the offense and nto have 6,000 passes for 4 yards and have a big reliable fast guy take 2 defenders with him on every play on the outside (not lloyd).

    so its a big risk. but there is a chance we can be better.

    there might have been a middle ground???

    bring abrahmam and grimes in, sanders im ehh. more proven than a rookie, but not the size i want in say a da rick rogers.



    If you gotta have size size size why not advocate engs guy Nelson and draft hunter. They both make Hopkins and Rogers seem small if the difference of a few inches matters that much.

     

     
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    bred.... isn't jennings coming off an injury? why is he such a safer option than amendola?



    he doesnt have a history of being injury prone. games played, reliabliltiy, and ability far over welker (so if we were going ot move on from him, would have been a lot safer).

    this still may work. amendola adn a few other bodies if we get 1 or 2 potential top wrs in draft.

     
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    I've gotta say, I am not happy with how our WR situation is shaping up.  Right now we have Amendola instead of Welker and Jones instead of Lloyd.  Both significant downgrades. We take two durable guys with better production and replace them with guys who have injury/health issues.  With our two less-than-durable TEs, I could see us in big trouble if these guys start to drop like flies.

    Now I'm hearing Edelman could go to San Fran.  That would not be good at all.

    Even if we got Sanders, we have not improved over last year's WR corpes.  The F/A class is getting thin at WR.  Heyward-Bay could be the best option left.  I think we have to draft one WR for sure.  If we don't get Sanders or add another quality F/A WR we need to draft 2 of them in the first 3 rounds. 

    This is looking like 2006 all over again.  Brady cannot be happy.

     



    i dont think its ideal. welker is a tank, virtually indescructable., a team first guy, i could see letting him go if we went and paid jennings 8 mil per year on a big contract. otherwise paying wes 2yrs -16 was a safeer way to go. amendola has more talent than wes probably and better hands, but its a gamblel that he stays healthy. he broke his chest open diving to the turf. we'll see.

     

    whether we had lloyd or jones, we are going to need a big outside wr.

    been saying for a few weeks, we shoudl get all our needs ie cb, pass rusher, o line, and if dt needed, in fa and take pass rusher and 2 big wrs in the draft (hopkins / rogers or similar)

    trade mallet, use 2014 picks, whatever.

    facuet i agree, wood, edelman, wlekr, lloyd were more reliable proven guys than what we have

    and too, i did want ot revamp the offense and nto have 6,000 passes for 4 yards and have a big reliable fast guy take 2 defenders with him on every play on the outside (not lloyd).

    so its a big risk. but there is a chance we can be better.

    there might have been a middle ground???

    bring abrahmam and grimes in, sanders im ehh. more proven than a rookie, but not the size i want in say a da rick rogers.

     



    If you gotta have size size size why not advocate engs guy Nelson and draft hunter. They both make Hopkins and Rogers seem small if the difference of a few inches matters that much.

     

     

     

     

    hi low,


    well cause obviously its not just size.

    re rogers try this:

    "Rogers is a virtual Julio Jones clone, exhibiting an exciting combination of size, strength and explosiveness." (draft scout)

    and due to his pot issue got kicked off tenesse and is projected to bew in 3rd rd.

    (and 6 3' 220 aint bad :)

    hunter could be a big player too.

    hopkins i think may be more likely a star and has more skils.

    (ps hunter is only 1 inch taller than rogers and 2 " taller than hopkins)

     
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    bred.... isn't jennings coming off an injury? why is he such a safer option than amendola?

     



    he doesnt have a history of being injury prone. games played, reliabliltiy, and ability far over welker (so if we were going ot move on from him, would have been a lot safer).

     

    this still may work. amendola adn a few other bodies if we get 1 or 2 potential top wrs in draft.

     



     

    In 2006 he missed 2 games from and ankle injury. 2007, he missed 3 games from hamstring, ankle, shoulder, and groin injuries. Missed 3 games in 20011 with a knee injury. 2012, 8 games due to groin/hernia. 

    Amendola 27 years old- 5 years/$28.5M with $10M guarenteed

    Jennings 29 years old- 5 years/$45M with $18M guarenteed

    I think BB did well.



    i said we may make out.

    and jennings was a surer thing, performancewise and physical reliability.

    its ok if we differ.

    tho seems to me, not to be a huge differ here

     
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    walter has carradine currently at 30, hopkins at 36, rogers at 94.

    in this scenario, we could go carradine in rd 1, best abvail cb (alford, anthony, ryan, poyer, hayden, mathieu, mcfadden) or wr (woods, williams, harper, patton, swope, wheaton, dobson) in 2, and rogers in rd 3

    if we get a 2nd with mallet, id shoot up for hopkins in rd 2 (bb might engage his hobby of making 3-4 picks out of it)

     
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    Well I'm going to agree with Faucet, the WR core is looking closer to 06' then 07' and it's looking less likely Sanders will be a Pat so imo the Pats are looking at #60 as a way to fill the WR position. If they trade Mallett and get an early 3rd we could see them double down on WR this year which wouldn't be a bad thing, but who do you guys see as potential matches in the late 2nd to late 3rd range?

    My list is:

    Da'Rick Rodgers* - My top choice right now. Big, strong, fast, great hands, and a solid route runner. Yes a bit of a knucklehead but he's a 1st round talent that's going to fall because of a failed drug test (sounds like a BB move to me)

    Terrance Williams - Even without RGIII, Williams lead the nation in yrds this past year and is a very solid all around WR. Good route runner, decent size, decent speed, and can create separation

    Robert Woods - His ankle injury limited his deep ball threat ability but at 6'1" 4.4 speed if you are looking for a good down field threat Woods would be an interesting pick up. The couple knocks on Woods is he doesn't have the most consistent hands and has trouble creating separation at times

    Markus Wheaton - Speedy, decent size, good hands, and great YAC ability. Wheaton is the A typical Pats WR. Shifty and below 6'

    Marquess Wilson* - Now this is a guy I could see drafting because it fits BB MO. Wilson is a 1st round talent who is going to drop because of his fight with coaches. If BB is alright with Wilsons explanation of the incident but he's a strong big WR who fights at the line and for the ball. He's a bit slowly by is very good at blocking out defenders and creating separation. In the back of the 3rd he's pose good value, something BB loves

    Ryan Swope - A board favorite he closely resembles Welker in ability but with better size. He'd make a great slot option with YAC ability

    Marcus Davis - I've been on and off on the kid. On one hand how often do you find a 6'5" 230lb WR with 4.45 speed? On the other hand the guy takes plays off and doesn't put any effort at all into run blocking. With the WR core the way it is BB might want to take a chance on the physical freak with great hands in the back of the 3rd and grind his teeth with his Moss like tendecies

     

     
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    Eng,

    do you really think bb is going into the draft with just jones and amendola as our 1-2 punch at WR? I Think he learned his lesson in 06. I can't believe bb would blow up his WR corps with no plan other than amendola and jones. Something gotta give here. 

    I think the pats have 2 more moves they will make in FA regarding the WR position. we may even see your guy Nelson brought in. 

     
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