***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Personnally, I'm scared to death of the Pats selecting a WR in the draft - horrendous is an understatement on our drafting abilities with that position. 

     
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    Personnally, I'm scared to death of the Pats selecting a WR in the draft - horrendous is an understatement on our drafting abilities with that position. 




    I agree but what can you do, they need to develop WRs.

     
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    Mallett trade talks are coming up again and yet again I'm having fantasies about getting either the #6 pick (Browns) or the #13 pick (Tampa). I know it's not likely but nether is winning the lotto but doesn't stop me from getting a ticket every couple months or so. It's all about the fantasy.

    With that in mind I saw this report this morning so if BB drugs a GM and holds their family hostage and somehow gets a top pick we can forget about Patterson:

    NFL Films guru Greg Cosell believes Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson needs "a lot of refinement running routes."

    "(He's much) more explosive with ball in hands than as a route runner," Cosell said. "Needs quality WRs coach." Patterson's game is raw all around, but his size/speed package is tops among all wideouts in this year's draft class. Someone drafting in the first 20 picks will likely decide they're the team that can refine his routes and polish his game.

    I don't want a WR would can't run routes that early in the draft. It's scary the lack of talent in WR up top which is why I don't want to grab one in the 1st. There is some good talent in the 2nd and 3rd round though.

    So minus Patterson looking at available players to drool over I have a shopping list of:

    #6 - Sharrif (glad I called him early and watched how quickly he rose), Milliner, Star

    #13 - Richardson, Rhodes (he's rising quick and don't think he makes it out of the top 20), trade back for more picks



    with you on floyd potential. not sure,  but believe i had him long before others broiugh him to board. ditto on rhodes. only comments about both picks i proposed were against at the time.

    who would i pick?

    probably trade back and look to get the best pass rusher, hopkins, best avail cb and da rick rogers in that order for our top 4 picks (basically what i wanted before this scenario came along)

    for pass rusher, i would look ansah, jordan, werner.

     
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    MB some of the top performers for 3 cone that have been battered around here:

    TJ Moe (#1) - don't know about route running, maybe you can help with that

    *#1 in 20yrd shuttle, #1 60yrd shuttle, t-#10 vertical 

    Marquess Wilson (#2) - I know he's an above average route runner but a knuckle head who could present good value in the 3rd, 

    Da'Rick Rogers! (#4) - Excellent route runner good hands. If not for being kicked off the team I'm convinced we'd be talking about him as a top 20 type pick up there with Patterson. To me he presents great value and someone BB should love. Great run blocker, excellent route runner, good hands, good YAC ability, and high value for where they could take him

    *#5 in 20yrd shuttle, #5 60yrd shuttle, t-#1 vertical, #2 broad

    Ryan Swope (#6) - good route runner, decent hands

    * t-#5 vertical, t-#7 broad, t-#2 40yrd

    Markus Wheaton (#7) - excellent route runner

     *#4 in 20yrd shuttle, #2 60yrd shuttle, t-#5 vertical, #10 40yrd

    Funny how these guys were talked about before we even knew about their 3 cone numbers. You think BB might have been training us subconsciously all along?



    again with rogers, was on him here long before... nevermind, when the only comments at all in reposne were negative

     
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    This article could have been written by Eng, MB, or Lifer or others it encapuslates a lot of what many have posted.   Wideout Woes: Whiffs Won’t Scare Patriots Away From Drafting a Receiver in 2013 Quinton Patton Senior Bowl

    Quinton Patton is a player that the Patriots could target in the first fifty picks of the 2013 NFL Draft. (USA Today Sports Images)

    NEPD Staff Writer: Oliver Thomas

    Nine. That’s the number of wide receivers the New England Patriots have drafted since 2002.

    While that number suggests head coach Bill Belichick is open to grooming young route-runners to catch passes from Tom Brady, the team’s success rate in doing so tells another story.

    Of the nine wideouts selected by the Patriots over that span, it can be argued that only Deion Branch and David Givens became integral parts in the offense. They were drafted 11 years ago.

    When you take away the 477 receptions Branch and Givens amassed over their tenure with the Patriots, the other seven draft picks have combined for just 285 catches—or in Wes Welker terms—two and a half seasons.

    The Patriots are undergoing renovations at receiver. Welker and Brandon Lloyd are no longer on the roster, and former seventh-round quarterback Julian Edelman is unsigned. In terms of the receivers actually under contract with New England, it’s freshly inked slot receiver Danny Amendola, an AFC East foe named Donald Jones, Pro Bowl gunner Matthew Slater and three practice squad players.

    Needless to say, someone not already in the fold will be brought in to make an impact. Yes, the depleted wide receiving corps suggests the Patriots will turn to a place of mixed results: the draft.

    The draft has seen the Patriots invest second-round draft picks in the likes of Texas A&M’s Bethel Johnson and Florida’s Chad Jackson. It has also seen the team nab North Carolina’s Brandon Tate and Ohio’s Taylor Price in Round 3. Unfortunately, none of which were able to carve out a significant role in the passing attack. None of which remained in New England beyond three seasons, either.

    New England’s checkered past of missing on receivers certainly makes the future an uncertain one. But if there was ever a time for the Patriots to grab a receiving prospect, it would be now.

    Without the help of Welker, Lloyd and potentially Edelman, 36 percent of the Patriots’ total yardage from 2012 could be missing. And seeing how the biggest chips of free agency have already fallen—barring third-round compensation for tendered Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Emmanuel Sanders—Radio City Music Hall is likely to be the venue for New England to re-stock the wide receiver depth.

    This year’s class is loaded with mid-round options at wideout. There may not be a receiver selected in the top 10 picks, but there will be a laundry list of difference-makers chosen between Round 2 and Round 3. With the deep crop, Belichick and director of player personnel Nick Caserio won’t have to mortgag the entire draft to find a viable receiver.

    So, who exactly could the Patriots use a pick on? Here are four notable names who fit the bill.

    Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech

    Patton was a highly productive cog in the Bulldogs’ pass-heavy offense. During his senior year, 6’, 204-pounder posted 104 receptions for 1,394 yards and 13 touchdowns. He also pieced together eight games with a catch of more than 40 yards. Since transferring from Coffeyville Community College in 2011, Patton has shown some tremendous body control and precision route-running. He’s not a burner, but he can line up at more than just the “Z” receiver spot and should hear his name called either late in day one or early in day two

    Da’Rick Rogers, Tennessee Tech

    A Tennessee defect, Rogers finished his college career at Tennessee Tech. He finished strong too, racking up 78 receptions for 1,207 yards and 11 touchdowns. Standing in at 6’2″, 217 pounds, Rogers has the length to be potent target down the field. He ran the 3-cone drill in 6.71 seconds at the NFL combine, where he also showed outstanding leaping ability and some sure hands. Despite a questionable track record, Rogers is the type of player the Patriots may deem too good to pass up if available at pick 59 of Round 2.

    Markus Wheaton, Oregon State

    The Beavers’ all-time leading receiver, Wheaton played bigger than his 5’11″, 189-pound frame. Wheaton has some of the shiftiest feet in the 2013 draft, and registered a 3-cone time of 6.8 seconds in Indianapolis. Wheaton may not be the prototypical downfield target, but he does run tight routes and knows how to track the football into his grasp. He is another potential candidate to be drafted at the end of the second round.

    Stedman Bailey, West Virginia

    Stedman Bailey is a gritty player who doesn’t get the recognition he deserves because he was on the same team as Tavon Austin, the most exciting player in college football. No, he’s not a burner and he’s not very imposing at 5’10”, 193 pounds, but Bailey will make an impact in the NFL from day one. He knows how to produce, and did just that for the Mountaineers, catching 113 balls for 1,627 yards and 25 touchdowns this past season. He’s a physical and heady receiver who should find a home in the second or third round.

    Outlook

    Regardless of New England’s history of missing on receivers, the need for a young field-stretcher is at an all-time high. With just five draft picks, though, the team must be diligent in finding the right one. Move over, Deion Branch and David Givens, there’s reason to believe the dry spell ends this April.



    Thanks for posting, JJ... certainly echos a lot of what we discuss here on almost a daily basis.  At the end of the day, I'd be happy to see any of these WR's land in Foxboro on Day 2.

     
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    Same here MB, and thanks JJ for posting.

    if we don't do any more in FA, sign me up for 2 of the 4 from above. I will take Rogers and Bailey. Trade back with our round 1 pick, grab a 2nd and 4th, draft Rogers and bailey in round 2 respectively . I don't think bailey makes it to the bottom of round 3 with his production. That is incredibly impressive given he was on the same team as Austin. 

     
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    It's prob a given, but below are my most underrated players in this class on both offense and defense... curious to who everone else thinks is underratd on both sides of the ball?

    Offense:  West Virginia WR Stedman Bailey

    Defense:  Houston CB DJ Hayden

     
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    Dan Hope @Dan_Hope 2m

    Arkansas St. S Don Jones worked out for the #Patriots today, per his agent.

    Don Jones, S (5-11 1/8, 191) — Jones ran a 4.42- and 4.40-second 40-yard dash, had a 42-inch vertical jump and 10-foot-7 broad jump. He ran the short-shuttle in 4.48 seconds, the three-cone drill in 7.19 seconds and had 17 reps of 225 pounds. He’s described as one of those fifth or sixth defensive backs due to his speed.

     
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    Jon Scott @jscottNFL 1m

    #Patriots busy checking in on prospects at #Virginia Pro Day Scout's list: http://ow.ly/jgAHx  OT Oday Aboushi & RB Steve Greer

     
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    From the "I can't let things go" file...

    I'm still mad that the Pats went with Chung over Sean Smith. I remember Smith having mostly High 2nd grades, and a few low 1sts...was the best S available according to most reports...and went at the end of 2 (61)! While the Pats took Chung at 34!

    Smith had everything you'd want: size, speed, athleticism. Ugh. Not only that, he made the rare switch from College S to PRO CB!

    In the year Chung walks...they could correct that mistake. Though, I'm sure it's not worth the money he'll get somewhere.

    2nd round picks: Chung, Brace, Butler, Vollmer. Yikes. 1 outta 4 ain't good.

    Round 2 highlights: Leseasn McCoy (53), Sean Smith (62), Vollmer (58), James Laurenaitis (35), Rey Maualaga (38), Connor Barwin (46), Paul Kruger (57), Max Unger (49), William Moore (55), Jarius Byrd (another S, 42). Half the round handed out good, to very good picks...and the Pats got 1.

     
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    Just saw on rotoworlds mock draft, they have us taking a CB named Jamar Taylor. Truthfully I don't know about the kid but they called him the top senior CB in the draft who is good in off and press coverage at the line. Does anyone know more about the kid? All I can find is a great 40 and that most feel he's a 3rd round pick late 2nd at best. Now it does sound like BB to take a DB well before he's suppose to go but even this one might make me scratch my head given BB's love for DT's (they had Hankins, J. Williams, and Jenkins all available) and that this guy would most likely be in the back of the 2nd if they want him

     
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    Jon Scott @jscottNFL 1m

    #Patriots busy checking in on prospects at #Virginia Pro Day Scout's list: http://ow.ly/jgAHx  OT Oday Aboushi & RB Steve Greer



    Aboushi is an interesting prospect. Completely underpowered an looked like a little kid playing against men at senior bowl. He'll need a year+ just to gain nearly enough strength to play in the pro's but has solid feet and hand work. Late day 3 type of pick. That's where I see the Pats targetting an OL. Day 3 truthfully

     
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    Just saw on rotoworlds mock draft, they have us taking a CB named Jamar Taylor. Truthfully I don't know about the kid but they called him the top senior CB in the draft who is good in off and press coverage at the line. Does anyone know more about the kid? All I can find is a great 40 and that most feel he's a 3rd round pick late 2nd at best. Now it does sound like BB to take a DB well before he's suppose to go but even this one might make me scratch my head given BB's love for DT's (they had Hankins, J. Williams, and Jenkins all available) and that this guy would most likely be in the back of the 2nd if they want him

     



    Have him as a Rd 2 kid on the board... good size/speed kid, fluid, athletic, physical/willing in run support, flashes some ball skills... has some durability questions.

     
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    In response to PatsEng's comment:

     

    Just saw on rotoworlds mock draft, they have us taking a CB named Jamar Taylor. Truthfully I don't know about the kid but they called him the top senior CB in the draft who is good in off and press coverage at the line. Does anyone know more about the kid? All I can find is a great 40 and that most feel he's a 3rd round pick late 2nd at best. Now it does sound like BB to take a DB well before he's suppose to go but even this one might make me scratch my head given BB's love for DT's (they had Hankins, J. Williams, and Jenkins all available) and that this guy would most likely be in the back of the 2nd if they want him

     



    you've been following the draft for how long now and you don't know who Jamar Taylor is? LOL jk but that's pretty bad

     



    sometimes 1 player out of 300 tends to fall through the cracks. It happens to all of us at times that a top 100 player is just missed. And, truthfully I don't really follow Boise very much

     
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    No. Please, No. No more CBs with "durability questions". Hoping Year 3 will find Ras-I on the field when games matter (that being post-turkey day).

     
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    From the "I can't let things go" file...

    I'm still mad that the Pats went with Chung over Sean Smith. I remember Smith having mostly High 2nd grades, and a few low 1sts...was the best S available according to most reports...and went at the end of 2 (61)! While the Pats took Chung at 34!

    Smith had everything you'd want: size, speed, athleticism. Ugh. Not only that, he made the rare switch from College S to PRO CB!

    In the year Chung walks...they could correct that mistake. Though, I'm sure it's not worth the money he'll get somewhere.

    2nd round picks: Chung, Brace, Butler, Vollmer. Yikes. 1 outta 4 ain't good.

    Round 2 highlights: Leseasn McCoy (53), Sean Smith (62), Vollmer (58), James Laurenaitis (35), Rey Maualaga (38), Connor Barwin (46), Paul Kruger (57), Max Unger (49), William Moore (55), Jarius Byrd (another S, 42). Half the round handed out good, to very good picks...and the Pats got 1.

     



    I'm still pissed about losing out on Randall Cobb, though Shane Vereen has flashed some good ability and should make some plays this year if he can stay healthy, as the primary 3rd down back.

    Also really wanted Weddle back in the 2007 draft.

     
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    From the "I can't let things go" file...

    I'm still mad that the Pats went with Chung over Sean Smith. I remember Smith having mostly High 2nd grades, and a few low 1sts...was the best S available according to most reports...and went at the end of 2 (61)! While the Pats took Chung at 34!

    Smith had everything you'd want: size, speed, athleticism. Ugh. Not only that, he made the rare switch from College S to PRO CB!

    In the year Chung walks...they could correct that mistake. Though, I'm sure it's not worth the money he'll get somewhere.

    2nd round picks: Chung, Brace, Butler, Vollmer. Yikes. 1 outta 4 ain't good.

    Round 2 highlights: Leseasn McCoy (53), Sean Smith (62), Vollmer (58), James Laurenaitis (35), Rey Maualaga (38), Connor Barwin (46), Paul Kruger (57), Max Unger (49), William Moore (55), Jarius Byrd (another S, 42). Half the round handed out good, to very good picks...and the Pats got 1.

     



    I'm still pissed about losing out on Randall Cobb, though Shane Vereen has flashed some good ability and should make some plays this year if he can stay healthy, as the primary 3rd down back.

    Also really wanted Weddle back in the 2007 draft.



    Yeah Dunlap, Matthews, and Jennings were my guys

     
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    From the "I can't let things go" file...

    I'm still mad that the Pats went with Chung over Sean Smith. I remember Smith having mostly High 2nd grades, and a few low 1sts...was the best S available according to most reports...and went at the end of 2 (61)! While the Pats took Chung at 34!

    Smith had everything you'd want: size, speed, athleticism. Ugh. Not only that, he made the rare switch from College S to PRO CB!

    In the year Chung walks...they could correct that mistake. Though, I'm sure it's not worth the money he'll get somewhere.

    2nd round picks: Chung, Brace, Butler, Vollmer. Yikes. 1 outta 4 ain't good.

    Round 2 highlights: Leseasn McCoy (53), Sean Smith (62), Vollmer (58), James Laurenaitis (35), Rey Maualaga (38), Connor Barwin (46), Paul Kruger (57), Max Unger (49), William Moore (55), Jarius Byrd (another S, 42). Half the round handed out good, to very good picks...and the Pats got 1.

     



    I'm still pissed about losing out on Randall Cobb, though Shane Vereen has flashed some good ability and should make some plays this year if he can stay healthy, as the primary 3rd down back.

    Also really wanted Weddle back in the 2007 draft.



    Looking back over my notes from years past. Oh what might have been had the Pats just taken a couple more guys from my favs over the years.

    They rarely draft the guys I like most. Maybe 1 per draft, 2 if lucky.

    Geno Atkins, Deangelo Williams, Justin Houston, Emmanuel Sanders, Jon Beason, Lamar Woodley, Jamaal Charles, Cliff Avril, Lesean McCoy, Eric Wood, Dan WIlliams, Daryl Washington, Golden Tate, John Jerry, Jimmy Graham, Greg Little, Randal Cobb, Greg Salas,  Harrison Smith, Ryan Broyles

    Have to be honest, I liked the Chad Jackson and Shawn Crable picks at the time.

     
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    One guy who has really flown under the radar is USC's Robert Woods.  He got over shadowed by stud teammate Marquise Lee last year, but he was also a bit slowed by an injury.  Make no mistake about it, this guy can play.  He made Barkley look very good for most of his career at USC and I think he is probably the best route runner in the draft.  If we could get him at 59 it would be an absolute steal, and to be honest I wouldn't be disappointed if we pulled the trigger on him at 29.  Thoughts?

     
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    One guy who has really flown under the radar is USC's Robert Woods.  He got over shadowed by stud teammate Marquise Lee last year, but he was also a bit slowed by an injury.  Make no mistake about it, this guy can play.  He made Barkley look very good for most of his career at USC and I think he is probably the best route runner in the draft.  If we could get him at 59 it would be an absolute steal, and to be honest I wouldn't be disappointed if we pulled the trigger on him at 29.  Thoughts?



    Spend 29 on Woods? I'm mixed about it. Exactly how you describe it. What sticks in my mind is the year he had most recently.  However, I did see him in 2011. I thought he had a shot at the first round.

     
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    thoughts?...the draft needs to get here already.

     



    yeah man! but get that mallet for a 2nd, in a3 team trade done already! :)

     

     
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    It's prob a given, but below are my most underrated players in this class on both offense and defense... curious to who everone else thinks is underratd on both sides of the ball?

    Offense:  West Virginia WR Stedman Bailey

    Defense:  Houston CB DJ Hayden



    both could be explosive

    short stocky, 4.5, 6.81

    not what im looking for as you know :)

     
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    No. Please, No. No more CBs with "durability questions". Hoping Year 3 will find Ras-I on the field when games matter (that being post-turkey day).



    with any luck....

     
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