***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    @PL,

    Thanks, man... I can't take credit for bringing Watt to the thread, but he was somebody that I talked up quite a bit as did a few of us... kid has really developed as a pro, would love to have him.

    RE: Werner, I do think this kid has impact potential as an edge defender (especially when placed across from a stud like Chandler), similar to what Clay gives GB, though I think Werner is bigger and a better run defender. 

     
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    @PE,

    I like Gholston as a player, very good height/weight/length, athletic and moves very well for a big/tall kid, he gets after it on every play and has some edge to his game, isn't afraid to mix it up.  He's strong at he POA, looks like a player that can set the edge and will get his hands up to bat balls down.  He's had a down year statistically to this point (1 sack, 5 TFL), so it'll be interesting to see if comes out or not.  As for the comparison, I'm not sure he's a 2-gapper and he'd need to put on 25-30 pounds to approach Warren.  Looks like a solid 43 DE to me.




    The comparison was more the style of play. Warren wasn't a pass rushing end. His main ability was to set the edge and control anything that went that way. However, when need Warren could and did put pressure on QB's. He did it just enough for other O's to take notice and take some of the heat off of Seymour but he was in no way an elite pass rusher. That's what I see from Gholston. Someone who can control their edge whether that's dropping back at the POA or just clogging up throwing lanes. I don't think Gholston would ever become an elite pass rusher but I think he could provide consistent pressure to the point where he'd take heat away from Jones. That's the comparison I was trying to make

     
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    Shariff Floyd is player to keep an eye on. He has gradually been playing better this year and has the ability to play inside on the 4-3. He is better vs the pass, he generates power to get up the field. Not only that he has quick feet and he moves well side to side with a strong rip move. Floyd has been really good with one on one and if he matches up with a guard he can generate that pash rush up the middle. He was top recruit coming out of high school and he is finally living up to it. 

     
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    BTW have any of you guys been watching Terrance Williams WR Baylor. This kid has been lighting it up without RGIII. He's going to be a person I'll be interested in as he's got a long stride and great size. Seems to have some really good body control too and doesn't shy away from hits. Seems like a 3 tier WR to me

     

    Speaking of WR's keep an eye on Marquess Wilson out of Washington too. He could slip because of his QB's play but this kid has a ton of ability which should show up at the combine




    PatsEng, Yeah I saw Terrance Williams play against Louisiana-Monroe. Kid looks good and seems to find the endzone often. He had a huge game against WV catching 17 for 314 and 2 td's. Here's a clip

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWudlePQytM

     

     

     
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    Top 10 might be high for them right now, we'll have a better clue where they will end up after thanksgiving but I could easily see them both going top 20 which hopefully will put them out of our range.

    The only thing I'm begging for right now is for BB not to take a DB in the first two rounds. This might sound weird but it's a two fold issue I have:

    First - I don't think we have the proper coaching staff. When the coaching staff can't teach something as simply as to turn around for the ball and not rely on face gaurding then there is an issue. When every player regresses from year 1 to years 2,3,4 then we have an issue (see McCourty, Ras starter for 2 games last year then dropped off face of earth, Moore significant drop off, Butler)

    Second - He just seems to be extremely bad at picking DB's in the first 2 rounds. McCourty needs work but has starting ability and Chung has suddenly turned into a mediocre S at best. Ras I have no clue where he went and Wilson looked lost when asked to play every down. This is getting sad

    Third - BB has rarely failed when getting front 7 players in the first 2 rounds. Cunningham is a JAGish pass rushing specialist and Brace is no where to be seen but almost all his front 7 picks have turned out great, even Hill was showing high improve before the tragedy



    Hard to argue with the db discussiOn. He hasn't faired to well in FA here either. However, I am more inclined to grab an FA corner because hopefully they have learned how to cover the proper way before regressing in the pats system.

    My first choice is an end to compliment jones. DTwould be next, but I want an end first. 

    Mb, I trust your instincts here as you have identified some real difference makers, most recently Watt who is an absolute beast. Does Werner offer similar potential? If so, he is worth moving up to get. Inretrospect I would rather have watt than solder. I know it's early in both careers but watt  looks as dominant or even more so than Ngata, tuck, osi or any of the other standout dlinemen in the league. 



    "Hard to argue with the db discussiOn. He hasn't faired to well in FA here either. However, I am more inclined to grab an FA corner because hopefully they have learned how to cover the proper way before regressing in the pats system.

    My first choice is an end to compliment jones. DTwould be next, but I want an end first. 

    Mb, I trust your instincts here as you have identified some real difference makers, most recently Watt who is an absolute beast. Does Werner offer similar potential? If so, he is worth moving up to get. Inretrospect I would rather have watt than solder. I know it's early in both careers but watt  looks as dominant or even more so than Ngata, tuck, osi or any of the other standout dlinemen in the league. "

    i am in agreement with all of this.

    first player drafted a de who can put conistent pressure on qb and hold up the end (a la jones). the dt next to fork is needed but not nearly as much.

    first free agent, a top cb.

    if we need to trade up for a playmakin de (likely) then so  be it.

    indeed if we'd traded up for watt instead of waiting for solder, we might be in contention right now with top teams in the league (even with spotty play, our db's and subpar coachin)  instead of trying to eek out winning the division.

     
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    Happy Friday, boys!

    So I think today would be a good day to name my "Leader in the clubhouse", essentially the player that I think NE is most likely to target based on current prospect rankings/team needs.

    It's pretty well known that FSU DE Bjoern Werner is the top player on my board at this point, though he's prob off the board in the first half of Rd 1 if the draft were today... and I still think NE will be drafting in the bottom quarter of Rd 1.

    With that said, I don't see a better fit at this point than the first player I profiled Oregon DE Dion Jordan (6-6 250).

    If you haven't checked this kid out yet, please do... elite length and athleticism (I've seen him with slot and outside CB responsibilies on tape), huge motor and will play behind the whistle... versatile and plays primarilty out of a two point stance... he'll need to protect his legs better and get stronger in the upper body, but I can't think of a better bookend to Chandler's height/length than this kid, at the bottom of Rd 1. 

     
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    Hey MB, I like Jordan a lot but he's still 20lbs short of being a bookend to Jones and like Taylor I'm not sure he can maintain the higher weight. Truthfully I'm not sure if Jordan is a OLB or DE in our system, so until he can put on and maintain a higher weight he's on my back burner

     
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    Hey MB, I like Jordan a lot but he's still 20lbs short of being a bookend to Jones and like Taylor I'm not sure he can maintain the higher weight. Truthfully I'm not sure if Jordan is a OLB or DE in our system, so until he can put on and maintain a higher weight he's on my back burner



    I think he looks a bigger than the 243 that he's listed at, so I'll be curious to see what his actual weights are at the SB/Combine, etc.

     
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    Shariff Floyd is player to keep an eye on. He has gradually been playing better this year and has the ability to play inside on the 4-3. He is better vs the pass, he generates power to get up the field. Not only that he has quick feet and he moves well side to side with a strong rip move. Floyd has been really good with one on one and if he matches up with a guard he can generate that pash rush up the middle. He was top recruit coming out of high school and he is finally living up to it. 



    I'd agree with this assessment, he does play inside and out in a 43 and looks very well suited to a 43 system that will allow him to get up field, vs. occupy blockers.

     
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    Jordan is a stud! He plays all over the field and has a ton of speed. He uses his speed with a mix of pass rush moves to get after the QB. Dion Jordan to me is a playmaker. Hes not yet a great pass rusher or a run stopper but he makes big plays. I was looking for an interview with him to see what kind of character he is but I couldn't find one. Would love for the Pats to draft him and move all over.

     
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    Jordan is a stud! He plays all over the field and has a ton of speed. He uses his speed with a mix of pass rush moves to get after the QB. Dion Jordan to me is a playmaker. Hes not yet a great pass rusher or a run stopper but he makes big plays. I was looking for an interview with him to see what kind of character he is but I couldn't find one. Would love for the Pats to draft him and move all over.




    The only issue I have Maine is that typically guys like that can thrive in college because their athletic ability alone is enough for success but when you get up to the NFL level being a tweener type of player OL's will be bigger and stronger and will just out muscle smaller (weight wise) DE's on the edge and bulldoze for the running, TE's and WR's are quicker and will easily gain seperation unless you are running sub 4.7's, and unless you have some we advanced pass rushing moves (ala Von Miller) T's are quicker in the pro's and will simply redirect you around the edge.

    For Jordan to succeed at the next level he has to define what his role is going to be. He either needs to develop Von Miller type of rushing moves, or get bigger to control the edge, or work on his speed to drop back into coverage. His issue is that he's good at all but not great in any, which hurts him a lot since his size already places him that tweener catagory. Now if he comes out of the combine at 265-275 running a sub 4.75 then you are talking but 250 at 6'7" and 4.7 really makes it difficult to find a role

     
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    Jordan is a stud! He plays all over the field and has a ton of speed. He uses his speed with a mix of pass rush moves to get after the QB. Dion Jordan to me is a playmaker. Hes not yet a great pass rusher or a run stopper but he makes big plays. I was looking for an interview with him to see what kind of character he is but I couldn't find one. Would love for the Pats to draft him and move all over.



    I too look for interviews for most of the players that I research to get a better idea of their thoughts/personality... and sometimes intelligence, etc... I think it's a good tool to utilize during the process.

    Below are a couple that I could find:

    The first link I find particularly interesting, it's Oregon's DC who calls Jordan "The hardest worker on our team.".

    http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landing?blockID=756615

    http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingcombo?Dion-Jordan--The-aggression-switch-Not-j=1&blockID=774221&feedID=9379

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3wh55GK84I

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BkucLQfDn8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV4Ucc9JX1g&feature=relmfu

     
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    Here is a thought..

    Could Hightower be moved to de opposite Jones and the pats target a lb like manti te'o or the kid from Georgia Jenkins? Where is hightowers best fit? He is not the pure rushing de that Jones is however I do remember him lining up as end at Bama on occasion. 

    Mb and others...how do you compare Werner to okafor?

     
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    Here is a thought..

    Could Hightower be moved to de opposite Jones and the pats target a lb like manti te'o or the kid from Georgia Jenkins? Where is hightowers best fit? He is not the pure rushing de that Jones is however I do remember him lining up as end at Bama on occasion. 

    Mb and others...how do you compare Werner to okafor?




    It's a creative idea with Hightower, and similar to what they've done with Nink... kid is versatile and I could see some increased pass rush reps as he develops and gets more comfortable with the defense.

    Okafor looks like a very good football player at this point, good size and power, love his motor but I think Werner is a better, quicker and more flexible athlete at this point.  IMO, Okafor would be in the discussion at the end of Rd 1 with the Dion Jordan's of the world, etc... there is a TON of height/weight/length at the DE position that is projected to be in this draft class.

     
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    MB and others. Lester had pick tonight for the Tide. Where is he on the board. I know you`re an ND guy, but Teo will gone and where do you see Eiffert going?

     
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    I like Hunt! he is huge, and is insanely fast for a DE.  foreign athelete similar to Vollmer's background. Willing to play special teams, great motor big frame can add a great deal of muscle to fill out his frame.  would look great beside wilfork.  Hunt, wilfork, and jones would be a great 3-4 line with ninkovich, spikes, mayo, hightower at LB.

    Margus Hunt, DE, SMU
    Height: 6-8. Weight: 275.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.83.
    Projected Round (2013): 2-3.

    "Estonia product is a raw player that really came on strong at the end of his junior season. He recorded all three of his sacks for 2011 against Pitt in the Bowl game. He had 28 tackles with 7.5 tackles for a loss. Hunt totaled 5.5 sacks in his freshman and sophomore seasons.

    Hunt uses his height to be a dangerous weapon on special teams. He blocked seven kicks as a freshman. In 2010 he had three blocked kicks and as a junior he had four kicks blocked. It is entirely possible that he could end his college career approaching 20 blocked kicks. Hunt may be best as a five technique defensive end in a 3-4 defense in the NFL."

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2013DE.php

     
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    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/18992316/the-freak-list-the-10-craziest-athletes-in-college-football

    this might interest a few of you guys.

     
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    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/18992316/the-freak-list-the-10-craziest-athletes-in-college-football

    this might interest a few of you guys.



    Thanks for posting... Hunt is a kid I like and he strikes me as somebody that the NYG's always seem to get... long, athletic kids who can rush the passer.  While he's not somebody that would interest BB as a 5 tech (unless he's gonna put on 20 or so pounds), I'd love to see what they could do with this kid across from Chandler in more 4 man fronts.  I said it again yesterday, I don't remember a  DE class that had this much projected height/weight/length.

     
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    In response to natesubs's comment:

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/18992316/the-freak-list-the-10-craziest-athletes-in-college-football

    this might interest a few of you guys.



    Thanks for posting... Hunt is a kid I like and he strikes me as somebody that the NYG's always seem to get... long, athletic kids who can rush the passer.  While he's not somebody that would interest BB as a 5 tech (unless he's gonna put on 20 or so pounds), I'd love to see what they could do with this kid across from Chandler in more 4 man fronts.  I said it again yesterday, I don't remember a  DE class that had this much projected height/weight/length.




    The thing is i think he could easliy add 30-50 pounds and still be fine, he is a pretty slim guy being that his frame is huge.

     
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    MB and others. Lester had pick tonight for the Tide. Where is he on the board. I know you`re an ND guy, but Teo will gone and where do you see Eiffert going?




    Lester is prob a top 75 kid with Rd 2 upside, IMO... def a player that I'm interested in (and was last year as well).

    Eifert's #'s are really hindered by inconsistent QB play at ND, but the kid is a top 50 talent with some Rd 1 upside... great size with awesome hands, can seperate and has improved as a blocker, both inline and in space.

     
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    what gives mb, no nd talk. lets have at it.

    i woudnt mind a k state alabama nc game

    florida ndame game for 3 and 4.

    presuming oregon loses a game.

    i think k state and nd are overanked (as ive said). but i wouldnt mind the above

    imagine having to play a whole season of sec teams (every year)

    but you can go to a bcs game not playing one of teh top 5 sec ranked top 11, 6 in top 13.

     

    lsu could lose to fl, south ca (but pulled it out), and alabama (who knows about miss state) AND still kick anyone else in the nation's butt.

     

     
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    what gives mb, no nd talk. lets have at it.

    i woudnt mind a k state alabama nc game

    florida ndame game for 3 and 4.

    presuming oregon loses a game.

    i think k state and nd are overanked (as ive said). but i wouldnt mind the above

    imagine having to play a whole season of sec teams (every year)

    but you can go to a bcs game not playing one of teh top 5 sec ranked top 11, 6 in top 13.

     

     




    Been a fun team to watch this year... defense is elite, offense is very much a work in progress... and for what it's worth, they play one of, if not the toughest schedules in the country and have a very tough match up this week as they'll play Oklahoma, in Norman... they also have USC still on the schedule.  IF they win out, they should be in the BCS championship game as they'll have 5 wins against teams that were ranked at the time they were playing (MSU, Michigan, Stanford, OKlahoma & USC), with (3) against teams that were then top 10 ranked (MSU, Oklahoma & USC).

     
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    what gives mb, no nd talk. lets have at it.

    i woudnt mind a k state alabama nc game

    florida ndame game for 3 and 4.

    presuming oregon loses a game.

    i think k state and nd are overanked (as ive said). but i wouldnt mind the above

    imagine having to play a whole season of sec teams (every year)

    but you can go to a bcs game not playing one of teh top 5 sec ranked top 11, 6 in top 13.

     

     




    Been a fun team to watch this year... defense is elite, offense is very much a work in progress... and for what it's worth, they play one of, if not the toughest schedules in the country and have a very tough match up this week as they'll play Oklahoma, in Norman... they also have USC still on the schedule.  IF they win out, they should be in the BCS championship game as they'll have 5 wins against teams that were ranked at the time they were playing (MSU, Michigan, Stanford, OKlahoma & USC), with (3) against teams that were then top 10 ranked (MSU, Oklahoma & USC).



    good stuff.

    mish st was well overrnaked.

    stanford about where they shoudl have been last week (20) and was that a "win"?

    oklahoma has improved over the year, shoudl be teh game of teh year for you.

    usc is not that good.

    still love to see nd and florida in bcs game.

    nice d!

    you want te'o on our team?

     
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    oh and tougest scehdule in the country not one upper half sec team?

    thats why i want to see you ion a bcs or bowl game.

    better yet, join teh sec. that woudla been aweseome  (this past offseason:)

    but i forgot no one wants to join the sec, unless they have no n.c. chance and just need money.

    who wants to play all those teams week in and week out

     
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    what gives mb, no nd talk. lets have at it.

    i woudnt mind a k state alabama nc game

    florida ndame game for 3 and 4.

    presuming oregon loses a game.

    i think k state and nd are overanked (as ive said). but i wouldnt mind the above

    imagine having to play a whole season of sec teams (every year)

    but you can go to a bcs game not playing one of teh top 5 sec ranked top 11, 6 in top 13.

     

     




    Been a fun team to watch this year... defense is elite, offense is very much a work in progress... and for what it's worth, they play one of, if not the toughest schedules in the country and have a very tough match up this week as they'll play Oklahoma, in Norman... they also have USC still on the schedule.  IF they win out, they should be in the BCS championship game as they'll have 5 wins against teams that were ranked at the time they were playing (MSU, Michigan, Stanford, OKlahoma & USC), with (3) against teams that were then top 10 ranked (MSU, Oklahoma & USC).



    good stuff.

    mish st was well overrnaked.

    stanford about where they shoudl have been last week (20) and was that a "win"?

    oklahoma has improved over the year, shoudl be teh game of teh year for you.

    usc is not that good.

    still love to see nd and florida in bcs game.

    nice d!

    you want te'o on our team?




    No doubt that MSU was overrated... which is prob worse than overrnaked? haha

    It was a win, the NCAA director of officiating, or whatever his title is, said it was the correct call and that the crew on the field made the right call... could it have gone both ways? Sure.

    SC's strength (passing offense) will be a good test for ND and their rookie CB's... I also look forward to seeing them vs. Oregon.

    I too would love to see ND vs. FLA... outside of ND, FLA is the team that I prob like the most... have always been a bit of a Gator fan... love "The Swamp"... was a huge Tebow fan too.

    Would love to see Te'o in Foxboro... just an awesome player and presence... would just be a matter of where to fit him in... they'd also likely need to move up to get him (how far is TBD) which would require them to kick Hightower outside to more of a rush end/OLB role.

     
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