***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    EJ Manuel was drafted twice.

     
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    In response to sportsbozo1's comment:Homecheese I think EJ Manuel was already taken by Jax with the first pk in rd 2.

     

     

    Rd 2:

     

    1.Jacksonville- QB EJ Manuel- MB

    2.San Francisco (From KC) -  RB  Eddie Lacy -  Wazzu

    3.Philadelphia S Matt Elam- HC

    4.Detroit OT Melenik Watson

    5.Cincinnati (From OAK) S Jonathan Cyprien - Champs

    6.Arizona  QB Matt Barkley - jjd

    7.Cleveland (5-11) Forfeit pick for supplemental draft pick (Josh Gordon)

    8.New York Jets - QB EJ Manuel- HC

    9.Tennessee

    10.Buffalo

    11.Miami

    12.Tampa Bay

    13.Carolina

    14.New Orleans (7-9) Forfeit pick for Bountygate

    15.San Diego

    16.St. Louis

    17.Dallas

    18.Pittsburgh

    19.New York Giants

    20.Chicago

    21.Washington*

    22.Minnesota*

    23.Cincinnati*

    24.Miami – (From IND)

    25.Green Bay*

    26.Seattle*

    27.Houston*

    28.Denver*

    29.New England*

    30.Atlanta*

    31.San Francisco*

    32.Baltimore*

     




     

    I didn't get it at first but the duplication of EJ Manuel at the Jets pk shows how stupid the Jets are!!!! Now i get it.


     
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    Nice to see some posts of the draft.  I usually get around to it a couple of weeks before the draft.  Wait for FA to settle down.  PatsEng, your draft has a nice flow to it.

    Here's a question for you draftniks out there.  I was thinking that this draft may be over rated.  There's not a lot of players who really get me excited.  For instance J. Hankins is one player who I would love to see on the Pats roster but I think he'll be long gone.  When I see a guard Chance Womack ranked so high it makes me think.  Players like QB Geno Smith and DE Bjoern Werner are a couple who cause me questions as well.  Now these players are good but I don't see them as top 10 material.

     



    This draft is strong in certain areas and certain rounds but very weak in others. For instance:

     

    In the top 50 it's strong in OL and DL.

    In the mid 2nd to mid 4th range WR's and DB's it's fairly deep in with a lot of the players in this range having similar talent level but different playing styles

    Towards the back end of the draft there's a number of talented but project QB's, RB's, and TE's.

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    Thanks for the response PE.  I was afraid that my question would become lost in the mock draft that's going on.  Far more interesting. 

    My thinking is with these types of positions ranked so high and the lack of skilled positions (CB, QB, RB, LT, WR) on the high end of the 1st round doesn't make this an especially good draft.  Perhaps solid but not good.  There's only 4 OTs projected in the 1st round when there is usually five or six that you normally would see in a good draft.  There's just a lack of that 5 star talent IMO. 

    I've seen news on the Barrett Jones front that he will probably start on the PUP list.  With all the picks SF has I can see them using one of their higher picks for him.  They can afford the gamble and the wait time. 

     

     
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    LOL. I am looking at MB's selection on the Ipad and it shows him picking Hopkins. And I came to this computer a second later and it shows S Williams. Must have been quite a dilemma for MB.

     




    Haha, yeah I did have DeAndre and it was quite the dilemma... but just see too much value in Williams and considering the depth at the WR position, I think a DT was a better play.

     

     



    For the record, given this scenario I like the Williams over Hopkins pick as well.  There would be a bigger drop-off in talent from Williams to a late 2nd round DT vs. Hopkins to a late 2nd Round WR, IMO.  We can still land a very good WR with pick 59.  Plus I've become a huge fan of Sylvester Williams. 

     

     



    +1

     

    had him and floyd for 2 months or so if we went tackle (when they were rated as rd 2 picks).

    still id like a pass rusehr in my first 2 picks. if one will not be later for me to trade up for, has to be 29.  

    if i can use mallet pick and 14' picks and get hopkins, carradine and rogers, then thats what i do

     
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    In response to sportsbozo1's comment:Homecheese I think EJ Manuel was already taken by Jax with the first pk in rd 2.

     

     

    Rd 2:

     

    1.Jacksonville- QB EJ Manuel- MB

    2.San Francisco (From KC) -  RB  Eddie Lacy -  Wazzu

    3.Philadelphia S Matt Elam- HC

    4.Detroit OT Melenik Watson

    5.Cincinnati (From OAK) S Jonathan Cyprien - Champs

    6.Arizona  QB Matt Barkley - jjd

    7.Cleveland (5-11) Forfeit pick for supplemental draft pick (Josh Gordon)

    8.New York Jets - QB Ryan Nassib- HC

    9.Tennessee

    10.Buffalo

    11.Miami

    12.Tampa Bay

    13.Carolina

    14.New Orleans (7-9) Forfeit pick for Bountygate

    15.San Diego

    16.St. Louis

    17.Dallas

    18.Pittsburgh

    19.New York Giants

    20.Chicago

    21.Washington*

    22.Minnesota*

    23.Cincinnati*

    24.Miami – (From IND)

    25.Green Bay*

    26.Seattle*

    27.Houston*

    28.Denver*

    29.New England*

    30.Atlanta*

    31.San Francisco*

    32.Baltimore*

     




     




    Damn thats the second time I did that. Will edit once again  haha. I took Manuel over Nassib originally because Marrone is in the division now and knows Nassib well, but this is the jets we're talking about so Nassib it is

     
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    "I didn't get it at first but the duplication of EJ Manuel at the Jets pk shows how stupid the Jets are!!!! Now i get it."

    LOL!

     
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    Rd 2:

     

    1.Jacksonville- QB EJ Manuel- MB

    2.San Francisco (From KC) -  RB  Eddie Lacy -  Wazzu

    3.Philadelphia S Matt Elam- HC

    4.Detroit OT Melenik Watson

    5.Cincinnati (From OAK) S Jonathan Cyprien - Champs

    6.Arizona  QB Matt Barkley - jjd

    7.Cleveland (5-11) Forfeit pick for supplemental draft pick (Josh Gordon)

    8.New York Jets - QB Ryan Nassib- HC

    9.Tennessee - LB Alec Ogletree - Low

    10.Buffalo

    11.Miami

    12.Tampa Bay

    13.Carolina

    14.New Orleans (7-9) Forfeit pick for Bountygate

    15.San Diego

    16.St. Louis

    17.Dallas

    18.Pittsburgh

    19.New York Giants

    20.Chicago

    21.Washington*

    22.Minnesota*

    23.Cincinnati*

    24.Miami – (From IND)

    25.Green Bay*

    26.Seattle*

    27.Houston*

    28.Denver*

    29.New England*

    30.Atlanta*

    31.San Francisco*

    32.Baltimore*

     

     
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    1.Jacksonville- QB EJ Manuel- MB

    2.San Francisco (From KC) -  RB  Eddie Lacy -  Wazzu

    3.Philadelphia S Matt Elam- HC

    4.Detroit OT Melenik Watson

    5.Cincinnati (From OAK) S Jonathan Cyprien - Champs

    6.Arizona  QB Matt Barkley - jjd

    7.Cleveland (5-11) Forfeit pick for supplemental draft pick (Josh Gordon)

    8.New York Jets - QB Ryan Nassib- HC

    9.Tennessee - LB Alec Ogletree - Low

    10.Buffalo- QB Tyler Bray

    11.Miami

    12.Tampa Bay

    13.Carolina

    14.New Orleans (7-9) Forfeit pick for Bountygate

    15.San Diego

    16.St. Louis

    17.Dallas

    18.Pittsburgh

    19.New York Giants

    20.Chicago

    21.Washington*

    22.Minnesota*

    23.Cincinnati*

    24.Miami – (From IND)

    25.Green Bay*

    26.Seattle*

    27.Houston*

    28.Denver*

    29.New England*

    30.Atlanta*

    31.San Francisco*

    32.Baltimore*

     




     
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    If you could take (1) Non-Rd 1 kid, who would it be and why?

    For me, it's Stedman Bailey... personally, I think this kid should be taken in Rd 1, but I don't think he will be... I think he's that good.

     



    That's a tough one and based solely on who they take in the 1st. For me if they take a DT in the 1st then it's Da'Rick Rogers. I do believe he has 1st round talent and listening to him I think he's gotten over his maturity issues similar to how Hern got over them.

     

    If DT isn't taken in the 1st it would have to be J. Williams. Another guy I think has 1st round potential but because of the depth at DT I think he pushes him to the 2nd round

     



    I thought you would've picked Jenkins over Williams. Or do you predict Jenkins going in the 1st?

     

     



    I have Sylvester Williams rated higher than Jenkins on my board.

     

     
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    Good choice for AZ and Cincy! MB if you draft for the patriots again take Dennard Robinson if he's still availible. Since you didn't grab the WR in the first round.He's going to be taken by a team with the ability to see past his college QB days. They say he's working on playing DB and WR/KR/RB he's a freak as far as speed goes. The reason why i took Watson for the Lions is their Oline sucks and this kid has all the tools and ability that he needs to succeed in the NFL.Plus I don't expect to see any of the top tackles to be on the board past the second rd.



    Hey sb,

    I like Robinson's upside, but he's a little too raw and unproven for me as a WR to be taken on Day 2... if they pop on him on Day 3, I'd be pretty excited to see what he could do... very tough, competitive kid with the ability to make things happen in the open field.

     
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    1.Jacksonville- QB EJ Manuel- MB

    2.San Francisco (From KC) -  RB  Eddie Lacy -  Wazzu

    3.Philadelphia S Matt Elam- HC

    4.Detroit OT Melenik Watson

    5.Cincinnati (From OAK) S Jonathan Cyprien - Champs

    6.Arizona  QB Matt Barkley - jjd

    7.Cleveland (5-11) Forfeit pick for supplemental draft pick (Josh Gordon)

    8.New York Jets - QB Ryan Nassib- HC

    9.Tennessee - LB Alec Ogletree - Low

    10.Buffalo- QB Tyler Bray

    11.Miami- CB Johnthan Banks- MB (They get a lot better at the CB position in this draft).

    12.Tampa Bay

    13.Carolina

    14.New Orleans (7-9) Forfeit pick for Bountygate

    15.San Diego

    16.St. Louis

    17.Dallas

    18.Pittsburgh

    19.New York Giants

    20.Chicago

    21.Washington*

    22.Minnesota*

    23.Cincinnati*

    24.Miami – (From IND)

    25.Green Bay*

    26.Seattle*

    27.Houston*

    28.Denver*

    29.New England*

    30.Atlanta*

    31.San Francisco*

    32.Baltimore*

     

     
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    "I didn't get it at first but the duplication of EJ Manuel at the Jets pk shows how stupid the Jets are!!!! Now i get it."

    LOL!




    Haha, nice.

     
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    I must say that I don't think Buffalo lets Nassib land with the NYJ, they (IMO) need to land this kid if they miss out on Geno Smith and EJ Manuel, IMO.

    Would be interested to see if AZ has the balls to go back to the USC QB well to land their franchise kid at that position.

     
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    MB what can you say about Robert Alford?

     
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    MB what can you say about Robert Alford?




    Small school kid with adequate size, but very good speed, quicks and COD... active vs. the run... looks like a kid with the skill set to start at the NFL level... solid Day 2 pick.

     
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    MB what can you say about Robert Alford?

     




    Small school kid with adequate size, but very good speed, quicks and COD... active vs. the run... looks like a kid with the skill set to start at the NFL level... solid Day 2 pick.

     



    Could be a good pick to the pats in the second?

     
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    MB what can you say about Robert Alford?

     




    Small school kid with adequate size, but very good speed, quicks and COD... active vs. the run... looks like a kid with the skill set to start at the NFL level... solid Day 2 pick.

     

     



     

    Could be a good pick to the pats in the second?



    Some solid Day 2 CB options should be available and he'd be in the discussion, yeah.

     
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    If you could take (1) Non-Rd 1 kid, who would it be and why?

    For me, it's Stedman Bailey... personally, I think this kid should be taken in Rd 1, but I don't think he will be... I think he's that good.

     



    That's a tough one and based solely on who they take in the 1st. For me if they take a DT in the 1st then it's Da'Rick Rogers. I do believe he has 1st round talent and listening to him I think he's gotten over his maturity issues similar to how Hern got over them.

     

    If DT isn't taken in the 1st it would have to be J. Williams. Another guy I think has 1st round potential but because of the depth at DT I think he pushes him to the 2nd round

     



    I thought you would've picked Jenkins over Williams. Or do you predict Jenkins going in the 1st?

     

     



    I have Sylvester Williams rated higher than Jenkins on my board.

     



    You still have Jessie Williams rated higher then Sylvester though right?

    I would be happy with any of the 3 (J.Williams, S. Williams, Jenkins) Each brings something diffrent but all have the size and talent I'd love to see next to Wilfork.

     
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    I must say that I don't think Miami lets Nassib land with the NYJ, they (IMO) need to land this kid if they miss out on Geno Smith and EJ Manuel, IMO.

    Would be interested to see if AZ has the balls to go back to the USC QB well to land their franchise kid at that position.




    Wait, do you mean the Bills taking Nassib?

     
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    If you could take (1) Non-Rd 1 kid, who would it be and why?

    For me, it's Stedman Bailey... personally, I think this kid should be taken in Rd 1, but I don't think he will be... I think he's that good.

     



    That's a tough one and based solely on who they take in the 1st. For me if they take a DT in the 1st then it's Da'Rick Rogers. I do believe he has 1st round talent and listening to him I think he's gotten over his maturity issues similar to how Hern got over them.

     

    If DT isn't taken in the 1st it would have to be J. Williams. Another guy I think has 1st round potential but because of the depth at DT I think he pushes him to the 2nd round

     



    I thought you would've picked Jenkins over Williams. Or do you predict Jenkins going in the 1st?

     

     



    I have Sylvester Williams rated higher than Jenkins on my board.

     

     



    You still have Jessie Williams rated higher then Sylvester though right?

     

    I would be happy with any of the 3 (J.Williams, S. Williams, Jenkins) Each brings something diffrent but all have the size and talent I'd love to see next to Wilfork.




    Correct, Uncle Jesse is the #1 player on my board.  I like Jesse and Sylvester in Rd 1 and Jenkins in Rd 2.

     
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    I must say that I don't think Miami lets Nassib land with the NYJ, they (IMO) need to land this kid if they miss out on Geno Smith and EJ Manuel, IMO.

    Would be interested to see if AZ has the balls to go back to the USC QB well to land their franchise kid at that position.

     




    Wait, do you mean the Bills taking Nassib?

     



    Oops, yes I meant Buffalo, yeah... good catch.

     
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    Nice to see some posts of the draft.  I usually get around to it a couple of weeks before the draft.  Wait for FA to settle down.  PatsEng, your draft has a nice flow to it.

    Here's a question for you draftniks out there.  I was thinking that this draft may be over rated.  There's not a lot of players who really get me excited.  For instance J. Hankins is one player who I would love to see on the Pats roster but I think he'll be long gone.  When I see a guard Chance Womack ranked so high it makes me think.  Players like QB Geno Smith and DE Bjoern Werner are a couple who cause me questions as well.  Now these players are good but I don't see them as top 10 material.

     



    This draft is strong in certain areas and certain rounds but very weak in others. For instance:

     

    In the top 50 it's strong in OL and DL.

    In the mid 2nd to mid 4th range WR's and DB's it's fairly deep in with a lot of the players in this range having similar talent level but different playing styles

    Towards the back end of the draft there's a number of talented but project QB's, RB's, and TE's.

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    Thanks for the response PE.  I was afraid that my question would become lost in the mock draft that's going on.  Far more interesting. 

    My thinking is with these types of positions ranked so high and the lack of skilled positions (CB, QB, RB, LT, WR) on the high end of the 1st round doesn't make this an especially good draft.  Perhaps solid but not good.  There's only 4 OTs projected in the 1st round when there is usually five or six that you normally would see in a good draft.  There's just a lack of that 5 star talent IMO. 

    I've seen news on the Barrett Jones front that he will probably start on the PUP list.  With all the picks SF has I can see them using one of their higher picks for him.  They can afford the gamble and the wait time. 

     



    CB, RB, QB, WR don't have a lot of top talent but:

    • G has at least 3 top end talents 5 1st round grades
    • T has 4 top end 5-6 1st round grades
    • DT has 4 top end talent and 8 1st round grades
    • DE has 4 top end talent and 8-9 1st round grades

    So plenty of top end talent along the lines in the first. For CBs and WRs though there are nearly a dozen each with back of the 1st to mid 2nd round grades which should stretch well into the 3rd. So, though not the strongest draft upfront talent wise is very strong with starting caliber players going 64 players deep along the lines, CB, and WR's positions by themselves. When you mix in the other positions you go a full 3 rounds deep with starting caliber players. It's actually a very good draft to have a number of picks between the 20's to late 3rd range.

     
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    I must say that I don't think Miami lets Nassib land with the NYJ, they (IMO) need to land this kid if they miss out on Geno Smith and EJ Manuel, IMO.

    Would be interested to see if AZ has the balls to go back to the USC QB well to land their franchise kid at that position.

     




    Wait, do you mean the Bills taking Nassib?

     

     



    Oops, yes I meant Buffalo, yeah... good catch.

     



    I could see that scenario for sure. Marrone would know exactly who he is getting. That could work out very well for them

     
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    Good choice for AZ and Cincy! MB if you draft for the patriots again take Dennard Robinson if he's still availible. Since you didn't grab the WR in the first round.He's going to be taken by a team with the ability to see past his college QB days. They say he's working on playing DB and WR/KR/RB he's a freak as far as speed goes. The reason why i took Watson for the Lions is their Oline sucks and this kid has all the tools and ability that he needs to succeed in the NFL.Plus I don't expect to see any of the top tackles to be on the board past the second rd.



    I'm really hesistant on Robinson. Incredible talent but nerve damage in the elbow scares me a lot. Not to mention he'd have to convert to a WR in the pro's and not many QB's have made that conversion successfully. I wouldn't touch him until the mid rounds and I don't even think most teams have him on their boards. The biggest obvious question is what will happen when he takes a hit to that elbow? Not to mention catching balls at the combine or proday, non contested, is far different then when he's on the field. That's another huge question mark. But he has the potential to be something special just not worth using a high pick for a major project with no position at this point. 

     
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    Another Cb name is Tharold Simon, he is tall 6'2"and physicall what do u guys think about this kid?

     
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