***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Player Profile:

    DE/OLB- Chase Thomas- 6-4-250- Standford

    Positives:

    *Huge motor

    *Very strong

    *Extremely physical and rugged

    *Very good run defender and sets the edge well

    *Always around the football

    *Very well coached player

    *Smart player and looks assignment sound

    *Versatile and plays OLB/ILB/DE

    *A lot of experience playing ouf of a 2 point stance

    Negatives:
    *Listed at 248-250, so I'll be curious to see how he weighs in at the SB/Combine

    *Not a elite passrush option at this point, but has upside  

    Projection:
    I'm personally a fan of the players that Stanford has turned out since Harbaugh took over (and has sinc passed on to David Shaw), they're very well coached, tough, blue collar, physical and always give a good effort.  This kid has been a pain in ND's side for (3) years now and strikes me as the smart, tough, versatile type kid that BB/NC will be interested in.  He's prob a day 2 kid at this point and potential Top 75 player... not flashy, just a very good football player.




    that sounds like a prototypical BB player

     
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    Player Profile:

    DE/OLB- Chase Thomas- 6-4-250- Standford

    Positives:

    *Huge motor

    *Very strong

    *Extremely physical and rugged

    *Very good run defender and sets the edge well

    *Always around the football

    *Very well coached player

    *Smart player and looks assignment sound

    *Versatile and plays OLB/ILB/DE

    *A lot of experience playing ouf of a 2 point stance

    Negatives:
    *Listed at 248-250, so I'll be curious to see how he weighs in at the SB/Combine

    *Not a elite passrush option at this point, but has upside  

    Projection:
    I'm personally a fan of the players that Stanford has turned out since Harbaugh took over (and has sinc passed on to David Shaw), they're very well coached, tough, blue collar, physical and always give a good effort.  This kid has been a pain in ND's side for (3) years now and strikes me as the smart, tough, versatile type kid that BB/NC will be interested in.  He's prob a day 2 kid at this point and potential Top 75 player... not flashy, just a very good football player.




    that sounds like a prototypical BB player



    Def is, give him a look.

    Think I was reading the other day that McCullers got a better grade than John Jenkins in their matchup... good find.

     
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    I like chase Thomas as well and agree he is exactly the type of playeR BB likes. I wolook like him in the late 2nd or 3rd round. I still think we need our other passrusher early. Given chase seems somewhat close to nink, where do you see this kid playing? Is he an end of the line guy like nink or dos he hace the versatility to play inside as well? How do you make room for him?

     
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    I like chase Thomas as well and agree he is exactly the type of playeR BB likes. I wolook like him in the late 2nd or 3rd round. I still think we need our other passrusher early. Given chase seems somewhat close to nink, where do you see this kid playing? Is he an end of the line guy like nink or dos he hace the versatility to play inside as well? How do you make room for him?




    I think he can play inside, outside and with a hand in the dirt.

    Passrusher early is where I want them to go as well, moving up if they identify a player they feel can come in and contribute and potentially impact immediately (similar to Chandler) and this class is projected to be stacked with height/weight/length/upside edge players.

     
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    hey mb,

    logged in tonight jsut to say congrats on nds win.

    exacly what i was afraid of with kelly gettign hire there.

    smart coaching, great tackling team. teo again teh stud.

    oakl not well coached. had the horses to win that game, but a bad game, evident stoops is not a top coach (not news jus firsttime addressing here).

    nd playere you can wathc and see how well thery are coached you can see 1 player making more than 1 smart decision per play and muliptel players per play. good technique. its all there.

    they dont underperform.

    now florida,

     mushchamp didnt attend to the offense enough to maek them a champion caliber team, from coaching to signing on down. big game 6 turnovers at least 8 big mistakes. bad time to do that agaisnt georgia who finally found their legs.

    notice usc lost again.

    so nd is good, i still say you gotta play at least 1 top 6 or 7 sec team a year to be "teh best team in the country" and no team deserves that that doesnt have to go throuogh a whoel season playng sec teams evey week. certainly in the last decade.

    a real playoff is the only way to really have a top team. 

    every level up to the big boys play a playoff.

    with this new crap political system coming in for ncaafb, wed need at least 8 teams.

    whats thhe latest on everyone's top pats needs (1st priority, 2nd, 3rd) and players we can get where we might draft?

    have a good game.

     

     
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    Well, looks like with dowling to ir once again, we are needy of a cb once again. Time to get serious and upgrade this secondary in a meaningful way. 

    Dowlijg seems to be headed the way of Wheatley...out the door.that leaves McCourty, Dennard,Arrington, Moore, cole at cb. Of those 5, mccourty to meIcahn and maybe should our one of our starting safeties. Yes, he is our best corner, but I think with his skills, he is better playing safety for us next to Wilson. Chung I wouldn't resign and Gregory to me has been not what I had hoped for. Need, 1-2 safeties to back up McCourty and Wilson. 

    On the the corners....dennard I can see as 1 of our starting corners. I like cole ahead of Moore and Arrington to play the slot. I don't see currently a corner on the roster to start opposite Dennard. This is where I think, especially with a young secondary. The pats need to pony up some cash and bring in a starting caliber FA corner. Joseph would have been my choice last year, but oh we'll. I say a starting caliber FA cb because we are young enough bacgp there and nwe'd experience. Also, with a guy you can leave on his own, McCourty could be used to help dennard along, Wilson could be used in the box more where like Chung, I think this is his strength .

    As enticing it would be to move up for Milner, I want BB to spend some cash and bring on a cb. If weto free free up some cash, so be it..

    We draft 1 safety, someone mid round or bring in a lower priced FA! Maybe keep gregory..Ebner stays as depth for now. Focus attention on grabbing pass rushing de opposite jones..I will go with MB's kid for now in werner...

     

     
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    hey mb,

    logged in tonight jsut to say congrats on nds win.

    exacly what i was afraid of with kelly gettign hire there.

    smart coaching, great tackling team. teo again teh stud.

    oakl not well coached. had the horses to win that game, but a bad game, evident stoops is not a top coach (not news jus firsttime addressing here).

    nd playere you can wathc and see how well thery are coached you can see 1 player making more than 1 smart decision per play and muliptel players per play. good technique. its all there.

    they dont underperform.

    now florida,

     mushchamp didnt attend to the offense enough to maek them a champion caliber team, from coaching to signing on down. big game 6 turnovers at least 8 big mistakes. bad time to do that agaisnt georgia who finally found their legs.

    notice usc lost again.

    so nd is good, i still say you gotta play at least 1 top 6 or 7 sec team a year to be "teh best team in the country" and no team deserves that that doesnt have to go throuogh a whoel season playng sec teams evey week. certainly in the last decade.

    a real playoff is the only way to really have a top team. 

    every level up to the big boys play a playoff.

    with this new crap political system coming in for ncaafb, wed need at least 8 teams.

    whats thhe latest on everyone's top pats needs (1st priority, 2nd, 3rd) and players we can get where we might draft?

    have a good game.

     



    Thanks, Bred, awesome game to watch... signature win for Kelly thus far.  They need to keep the train rolling next week... don't want a 1993 all over again, where ND beat FSU in one of the most hyped games that I can remember, only to have a let down against BC.

    Priorit is the secondary, whether they address is in the draft or free agency, my guess is both.  There are difference makers with size at CB in this class (Milliner / Banks, etc... both SEC kids) and I hope BB seriously considers moving up to land a player of this talent level.

     
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    Well, looks like with dowling to ir once again, we are needy of a cb once again. Time to get serious and upgrade this secondary in a meaningful way. 

    Dowlijg seems to be headed the way of Wheatley...out the door.that leaves McCourty, Dennard,Arrington, Moore, cole at cb. Of those 5, mccourty to meIcahn and maybe should our one of our starting safeties. Yes, he is our best corner, but I think with his skills, he is better playing safety for us next to Wilson. Chung I wouldn't resign and Gregory to me has been not what I had hoped for. Need, 1-2 safeties to back up McCourty and Wilson. 

    On the the corners....dennard I can see as 1 of our starting corners. I like cole ahead of Moore and Arrington to play the slot. I don't see currently a corner on the roster to start opposite Dennard. This is where I think, especially with a young secondary. The pats need to pony up some cash and bring in a starting caliber FA corner. Joseph would have been my choice last year, but oh we'll. I say a starting caliber FA cb because we are young enough bacgp there and nwe'd experience. Also, with a guy you can leave on his own, McCourty could be used to help dennard along, Wilson could be used in the box more where like Chung, I think this is his strength .

    As enticing it would be to move up for Milner, I want BB to spend some cash and bring on a cb. If weto free free up some cash, so be it..

    We draft 1 safety, someone mid round or bring in a lower priced FA! Maybe keep gregory..Ebner stays as depth for now. Focus attention on grabbing pass rushing de opposite jones..I will go with MB's kid for now in werner...

     



    I'm with you in that I want BB to bring in a CB with elite talent, whether it be the draft or FA, etc... I just think it would come via the draft due to the financial cost to do so.  There are (4) CB's that are 6-1 or more that project as potential Rd 1 CB's (Milliner, Banks, Amerson, Rhodes) this year and I'd like to see BB move on one of them.

    Milliner is prob the #2 player on my board at this point (behind Werner) and has a shot at #1.

     
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    My thoughts go out to Marcus Lattimore and his family... just an awful, awful injury and you really have to feel for the kid... battled his way back from an knee injury last year... I'm really pulling for the kid.

    And to continue with my sour grapes gripe... Randall Cobb was/is tailor-made for NE's offense... with his ability in the short/intermediate game and RAC ability... just a head scratcher with Vereen over him... I still don't get it.  There, I feel better.

     
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    My thoughts go out to Marcus Lattimore and his family... just an awful, awful injury and you really have to feel for the kid... battled his way back from an knee injury last year... I'm really pulling for the kid.

    And to continue with my sour grapes gripe... Randall Cobb was/is taylor made for NE's offense... with his ability in the short/intermediate game and RAC ability... just a head scratcher with Vereen over him... I still don't get it.  There, I feel better.



    you were the man on that. toughj i was not far bnehind. i dont drink the coolade, i see bad moves adn good moves. he missed on cobb. wish we ran our daft like the top teams instead of a one man operation (ini reality)

     
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    Well, looks like with dowling to ir once again, we are needy of a cb once again. Time to get serious and upgrade this secondary in a meaningful way. 

    Dowlijg seems to be headed the way of Wheatley...out the door.that leaves McCourty, Dennard,Arrington, Moore, cole at cb. Of those 5, mccourty to meIcahn and maybe should our one of our starting safeties. Yes, he is our best corner, but I think with his skills, he is better playing safety for us next to Wilson. Chung I wouldn't resign and Gregory to me has been not what I had hoped for. Need, 1-2 safeties to back up McCourty and Wilson. 

    On the the corners....dennard I can see as 1 of our starting corners. I like cole ahead of Moore and Arrington to play the slot. I don't see currently a corner on the roster to start opposite Dennard. This is where I think, especially with a young secondary. The pats need to pony up some cash and bring in a starting caliber FA corner. Joseph would have been my choice last year, but oh we'll. I say a starting caliber FA cb because we are young enough bacgp there and nwe'd experience. Also, with a guy you can leave on his own, McCourty could be used to help dennard along, Wilson could be used in the box more where like Chung, I think this is his strength .

    As enticing it would be to move up for Milner, I want BB to spend some cash and bring on a cb. If weto free free up some cash, so be it..

    We draft 1 safety, someone mid round or bring in a lower priced FA! Maybe keep gregory..Ebner stays as depth for now. Focus attention on grabbing pass rushing de opposite jones..I will go with MB's kid for now in werner...

     



    I can't even decide right now what I would want in the secondary. I'm tired of them drafting guys in the first 2 rounds only to see them always injured (Dowling, Chung, Wheatley) or hitting that year 2 slump McCourty, Butler). I would say bring in a top CB via FA or trade but, I also fear if they throw 10 million at someone the same could happen and become wasted cap space. At this point if McCourty can't turn his head and cover better then safety is his new position. I always thought Chung was a decent player but he gets injured so much, you can't depend on him really. A nice start would be a new secondary coach

     
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    My thoughts go out to Marcus Lattimore and his family... just an awful, awful injury and you really have to feel for the kid... battled his way back from an knee injury last year... I'm really pulling for the kid.

    And to continue with my sour grapes gripe... Randall Cobb was/is taylor made for NE's offense... with his ability in the short/intermediate game and RAC ability... just a head scratcher with Vereen over him... I still don't get it.  There, I feel better.




    I agree, that was tough to watch Lattimore get injured like that. I feel really bad for the guy.  I'm pulling for him as well

    I also agree with you on Cobb. Vereen shows flashes but he gets injured too often and the flexibility that Cobb can bring to an O is much greater then Vereen's imo.

     
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    .... A nice start would be a new secondary coach

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    That I think is the first thing they should do and they can't do it soon enough.

    If all they're DBs are really this bad, getting on good DB may not make a difference, particularly with this kind of coaching. A good DBs coach could help everyone back there to achieve a step improvement. With the improvement on the front seven, even a small improvement that cuts across the entire secondary could be enough to set this D up for sustained success. Imagine if that coach made a big improvement.

    I think it's a move that carries small risk but potentially big rewards. 

     

     
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    .... A nice start would be a new secondary coach



    That I think is the first thing they should do and they can't do it soon enough.

    If all they're DBs are really this bad, getting on good DB may not make a difference, particularly with this kind of coaching. A good DBs coach could help everyone back there to achieve a step improvement. With the improvement on the front seven, even a small improvement that cuts across the entire secondary could be enough to set this D up for sustained success. Imagine if that coach made a big improvement.

    I think it's a move that carries small risk but potentially big rewards. 

     



    At a minimum, I hope they bring in a new DB coach.  BB doesn't like when players make the same mistake over and over, so I'm not sure why he continues to employ the coach of a unit that makes the same mistakes over and over.

 
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    .... A nice start would be a new secondary coach



    That I think is the first thing they should do and they can't do it soon enough.

    If all they're DBs are really this bad, getting on good DB may not make a difference, particularly with this kind of coaching. A good DBs coach could help everyone back there to achieve a step improvement. With the improvement on the front seven, even a small improvement that cuts across the entire secondary could be enough to set this D up for sustained success. Imagine if that coach made a big improvement.

    I think it's a move that carries small risk but potentially big rewards. 

     




    who would you go for? top 5 DB's coach list please?

     

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    .... A nice start would be a new secondary coach



    That I think is the first thing they should do and they can't do it soon enough.

    If all they're DBs are really this bad, getting on good DB may not make a difference, particularly with this kind of coaching. A good DBs coach could help everyone back there to achieve a step improvement. With the improvement on the front seven, even a small improvement that cuts across the entire secondary could be enough to set this D up for sustained success. Imagine if that coach made a big improvement.

    I think it's a move that carries small risk but potentially big rewards. 

     




    who would you go for? top 5 DB's coach list please?

     

    No idea who he'd target, but it'd likely be somebody linked to his coaching tree.

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    .... A nice start would be a new secondary coach



    That I think is the first thing they should do and they can't do it soon enough.

    If all they're DBs are really this bad, getting on good DB may not make a difference, particularly with this kind of coaching. A good DBs coach could help everyone back there to achieve a step improvement. With the improvement on the front seven, even a small improvement that cuts across the entire secondary could be enough to set this D up for sustained success. Imagine if that coach made a big improvement.

    I think it's a move that carries small risk but potentially big rewards. 

     




    who would you go for? top 5 DB's coach list please?

     

    Anyone with more NFL experience and has had some success fielding a respectful secondary at some point in the league. Lets face it, it is a passing league now and with multiple receiver sets, it's not uncommon to see 6-8 DB's see the field at some point over the course of the game.  You didn't see that 10 or 15 years ago. So I think 2 DB coaches at a minimum and atleast 1 with a decent resume. Bill Belichick can't do it all and I know he likes to teach and groom coaches but he is putting too much on his plate imo.

    Josh Boyer:  Began his coaching career in 2000 as a graduate assistant at King's College, Pennsylvania, and then served in the same capacity at the University of Dayton in 2001 and Kent State University in 2002 and 2003. In 2004, Boyer served as the defensive backs coach at Bryant University. He then served as the defensive coordinator at the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology in 2005 before joining the Patriots in 2006 as a defensive coaching assistant. He was promoted to defensive backs coach following the 2008 season. In 2012, his title was changed to cornerbacks coach.


    Brian Flores:   In 2004, Flores joined the Patriots as a scouting assistant. He then became a pro scout in 2006 before moving to the coaching staff as a special teams coaching assistant in 2008. His title was changed to assistant coach offense/special teams in 2010. He was named defensive assistant in 2011. In 2012, he was named safeties coach.

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    I would also like to see a new dcoordinator .Today was the first day I have seen the para send more than 4 guys often and look what it did to help the secondary...why did they wait so loNg? 

    For the life of me I can't figure out why they chose Patricia over pepper Johnson..no idea. Or pit Boyer or Flores back as secondary coaches...no clue...bring back Romeo and make amends with man genius . As much as a db mangini is, he is a good seccondaey coach...

    Btw,,McCourty is a better safety than Chung and Gregory. Ebner with some more time will be as well. Wilson too. The pats have to make a decision and either turn McCourty into a safety and let him QB the secondary or go out and spend some money on a legit starting safety and let McCourty focus on being a Cb. 

    We are not draft rich this year....what do we have currently? 1 Fiest, second and third? 

    And yes MB...Cobb is great. He would have been the perfect replacwent for Welker. I think vereen will be good, but Cobb certainly has more value at this point. 

    Anyone else excited about the job Donald Thomas is doing at guard replacing mankins?  The line overall looked real good today.

     
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    Mb, 

    Considering we only have 1 pick in each of the first 4 rounds, and assuming we pick late twenties to 32, what and who do you honestly see us with? I know a lot of talk about Werner, Rhodes, Milner, etc, but I don't see any of those kids dropping that fAr. I don't think we have much ammo to move up unless we package and trade. 

    Do you think Irish chocolate makes it to where we pick in round 2? I like him playing inside for us...has he played at the end of the line on a 3 man line?

     
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    The requests for a DE to bookend Jones with seems a little insulting to Ninkovich, he is having quite the season.

    Nink, Cunningham and probably Jones can all play OLB in a 3-4 of course, but the Pats would need TWO five tech DE's, and that is a tall order.

    Meanwhile Love is best served as a VERY solid backup, resting Vince as he gets older and being a solid bend not break guy. A real fearsome DT who can pressure the QB is MUCH more important than a DE as long as we are staying with mostly a 4-3 front.




    talking of bookends, we have not even seen bequette yet. i believe he will pas nink when he's healthy.

    i agree, we need the third guy inside to rotate with love an vw, and perhaps be vw's replacement in the future. 

     
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    Who ever gets Jadeveon Clowney in a couple of years is going to have one special player. 

     
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    Well, looks like with dowling to ir once again, we are needy of a cb once again. Time to get serious and upgrade this secondary in a meaningful way. 

    Dowlijg seems to be headed the way of Wheatley...out the door.that leaves McCourty, Dennard,Arrington, Moore, cole at cb. Of those 5, mccourty to meIcahn and maybe should our one of our starting safeties. Yes, he is our best corner, but I think with his skills, he is better playing safety for us next to Wilson. Chung I wouldn't resign and Gregory to me has been not what I had hoped for. Need, 1-2 safeties to back up McCourty and Wilson. 

    On the the corners....dennard I can see as 1 of our starting corners. I like cole ahead of Moore and Arrington to play the slot. I don't see currently a corner on the roster to start opposite Dennard. This is where I think, especially with a young secondary. The pats need to pony up some cash and bring in a starting caliber FA corner. Joseph would have been my choice last year, but oh we'll. I say a starting caliber FA cb because we are young enough bacgp there and nwe'd experience. Also, with a guy you can leave on his own, McCourty could be used to help dennard along, Wilson could be used in the box more where like Chung, I think this is his strength .

    As enticing it would be to move up for Milner, I want BB to spend some cash and bring on a cb. If weto free free up some cash, so be it..

    We draft 1 safety, someone mid round or bring in a lower priced FA! Maybe keep gregory..Ebner stays as depth for now. Focus attention on grabbing pass rushing de opposite jones..I will go with MB's kid for now in werner...

     



    I can't even decide right now what I would want in the secondary. I'm tired of them drafting guys in the first 2 rounds only to see them always injured (Dowling, Chung, Wheatley) or hitting that year 2 slump McCourty, Butler). I would say bring in a top CB via FA or trade but, I also fear if they throw 10 million at someone the same could happen and become wasted cap space. At this point if McCourty can't turn his head and cover better then safety is his new position. I always thought Chung was a decent player but he gets injured so much, you can't depend on him really. A nice start would be a new secondary coach



    wel my friend, your conclusions (all three) are the same i came to and began posting last year.

     
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    .... A nice start would be a new secondary coach



    That I think is the first thing they should do and they can't do it soon enough.

    If all they're DBs are really this bad, getting on good DB may not make a difference, particularly with this kind of coaching. A good DBs coach could help everyone back there to achieve a step improvement. With the improvement on the front seven, even a small improvement that cuts across the entire secondary could be enough to set this D up for sustained success. Imagine if that coach made a big improvement.

    I think it's a move that carries small risk but potentially big rewards. 

     



    seattle, since ive been on this board ive been saying this and being crucified for it (wiht no backers). im glad more and more are admitting this.

    nice to see you around.

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    .... A nice start would be a new secondary coach



    That I think is the first thing they should do and they can't do it soon enough.

    If all they're DBs are really this bad, getting on good DB may not make a difference, particularly with this kind of coaching. A good DBs coach could help everyone back there to achieve a step improvement. With the improvement on the front seven, even a small improvement that cuts across the entire secondary could be enough to set this D up for sustained success. Imagine if that coach made a big improvement.

    I think it's a move that carries small risk but potentially big rewards. 

     



    At a minimum, I hope they bring in a new DB coach.  BB doesn't like when players make the same mistake over and over, so I'm not sure why he continues to employ the coach of a unit that makes the same mistakes over and over.




    "  BB doesn't like when players make the same mistake over and over, so I'm not sure why he continues to employ the coach of a unit that makes the same mistakes over and over."

    exactly! ive said that after almost every game since last year. i dont know mb if you read the other/ and my threads.

    you forgot to add the mccourty exemption to that though :)

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    In response to PatsLifer's comment:

    I would also like to see a new dcoordinator .Today was the first day I have seen the para send more than 4 guys often and look what it did to help the secondary...why did they wait so loNg? 

    For the life of me I can't figure out why they chose Patricia over pepper Johnson..no idea. Or pit Boyer or Flores back as secondary coaches...no clue...bring back Romeo and make amends with man genius . As much as a db mangini is, he is a good seccondaey coach...

    Btw,,McCourty is a better safety than Chung and Gregory. Ebner with some more time will be as well. Wilson too. The pats have to make a decision and either turn McCourty into a safety and let him QB the secondary or go out and spend some money on a legit starting safety and let McCourty focus on being a Cb. 

    We are not draft rich this year....what do we have currently? 1 Fiest, second and third? 

    And yes MB...Cobb is great. He would have been the perfect replacwent for Welker. I think vereen will be good, but Cobb certainly has more value at this point. 

    Anyone else excited about the job Donald Thomas is doing at guard replacing mankins?  The line overall looked real good today.



    I would also like to see a new dcoordinator .

     

    yes i agree. but bb is teh defacto, just runs d through his student.

     

    Today was the first day I have seen the para send more than 4 guys often and look what it did to help the secondary...why did they wait so loNg? 

    i know its only how long since weve been saying this

     

    For the life of me I can't figure out why they chose Patricia over pepper Johnson..no idea. Or pit Boyer or Flores back as secondary coaches...no clue...bring back Romeo and make amends with man genius . As much as a db mangini is, he is a good seccondaey coach...


    agree and all things i have been  asking

     

    Btw,,McCourty is a better safety than Chung and Gregory.

     

    were you with me on this since last year. i dont mention a lto of agreement.

     

    Ebner with some more time will be as well.

     

    i agree with you.

    couple year he may be a player

     

    Wilson too. The pats have to make a decision and either turn McCourty into a safety and let him QB the secondary or go out and spend some money on a legit starting safety and let McCourty focus on being a Cb.

     

    that would suck. as i have said repeatedly. he needs to be a safety or a third tier cb.

    bottom line eveen if he is on either unit, we are going to need a #1 cb and # safety 

    id let him walk.

     

    We are not draft rich this year....what do we have currently? 1 Fiest, second and third? 

    And yes MB...Cobb is great. He would have been the perfect replacwent for Welker. I think vereen will be good, but Cobb certainly has more value at this point. 

    Anyone else excited about the job Donald Thomas is doing at guard replacing mankins?  The line overall looked real good today.

    i think tomas stands out in run blocking.

     

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