Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***
posted at 4/3/2013 12:16 PM EDT
In response to PatsEng's comment:
Well with the signings of Porter, Grimes, and Nnamdi recent it looks like the CB market is pretty much dead. Given the progression of the league I don't see any quality CB's entering the secondary market like other positions. For me this basically points to having to take a CB in the draft. The question is when? The Pats tend to like to take CBs in the 2nd (early to mid). I'm hoping this doesn't point to trading back the 1st for a mid 2nd and 4th but that scenerio is likely. If true then we won't be taking a DT early nor DE. It also suggests to me that they would double down on both WR's and CB's.
I remember someone bringing up what DL's people saw in the late round so I went over some players:
Montori Hughes DT Tenn-Martin 6'4" 330lb: If not for off-field issues which resulted in him getting booted out of Tenn he'd be a late 2nd-3rd round pick. Not overly athletic he has tremendous power and a quick burst. He had an impressive senior bowl and from reports looked great in position drills. He's been inconsistent but has very high upside if he can mature.
Quanterus Smith DE W Kentucky 6'5" 250lb: Another day 2 kid who's stock has dropped because of a late season ending ACL tear. Prior to the ACL injury he was dominanting his conference with 12.5 sacks and 18.5 TFL. The more impressive thing was that he absolutely owned Fluker with 3 sacks against Ala. His sacks came in bunches showing a lot of inconsistency but when they came they were impressive against some of the better OLs in the country. He's a bit of a tweener but if he can add 15lbs during rehab he could become a passing rushing 43 DE specialist.
David Bess DE W Missouri State 6'4" 262lb: If you are looking for a small school sleeper this might be the kid. He has been very consistent in pass rushing and has well developed moves. He had 14.5 sacks in 2011 and 11.5 in 2012. He had a good Shrine game beating some of the better Ts in 1v1 drills.
Nick Williams DT Samford 6'4" 310lbs: Only playing 1 year of football in high school and going to a smaller school he is easily overlooked. He doesn't have the best stats and you might not even find his name on any draft board but at the combine I watch his position drills and came away fairly impressed. He was fluid and had a focused drive. He showed some power and ability that I didn't even see in some of the bigger named prospects. Coming from a school no one has ever heard of and having no real training in high school I'm sure this kid is as raw as they come but he has some athletic ability.
Chris Jones DE/DT Bowling Green 6'2" 300lbs: On the smaller side and not that gifted athletically this kid could have the highest motor out of anyone in the draft. He's relentless at the line and is extremely consistent from play to play. He has amazing short area quickness and has developed great use of leverage because of his smaller size. He just wears down lineman giving max effort with every play. He's one of the few in the country for DL who typically work in the A and B gaps to put up double digit sacks and has consistently improved with every year he's played. He might end up being a good roational DL player moving inside and out but his lack of natural athletic ability is going to limit his ceiling
Good to see some discussion for the late rounds. I think we've beaten early round topics so much.
The one that intrigues me most from that list is Jones. If his motor is as good as the writeup makes him out to be he might provide good competition (at least depth) on that pass-rushing interior DL.
I have researched Hughes a bit. Not a lot of reviews cover him, but most that I came across has him going around the fifth or sixth. There is a chance he makes it to seventh, but perhaps slim.
Now, I probably belong to a very tiny minority who would not mind them taking a NT and have VW take on the rusher role. Based on Low's data, it looks like VW did some of it when he was in college. Perhaps he's not too old to do it again. Besides, I have seen him be effective at that at times.
For this type of pick, I looked at the outliers in terms of size. The common ding is that they play upright. I am speculating that Pats coaches can fix them.
Arby Jones, Georgia, 6-4, 313 He'd flashed big time talent early on, earning time as a true freshman (eight tackles, two tackles for loss in 2009) and sophomore (34 tackles, including 3.5 for loss while starting six games), including an eye-popping performance against state rival Georgia Tech (16 tackles, including two for loss and a forced fumble) that earned him SEC Defensive Lineman of the Week accolades.
Rang on Jones: Jones has good quickness off the snap, as well as the lateral agility, balance and power necessary to handle playing inside. His long arms and strength are also conducive to remaining outside as a five-technique defensive end. With exceptional depth up front Georgia constantly rotates their defensive linemen so it is difficult to gauge how well Jones might do with more snaps. He's precisely the type of player whose draft stock is quietly higher with scouts than his media attention might lead one to believe -- but who may not earn the buzz in the scouting community until/if he is given an opportunity to "surprise" in one of the big senior all-star games.
Quinton Dial, Alabama, 6-6, 318 Currently has an injury. Me on Dial: I am not sure why mock sites speculate him being undrafted. On the few games I saw Alabama, I remember him making pretty nice plays - enough at least for me to remember him. This guy is strong and can penetrate. So unless his injury is something nobody can recover from, I have a hard time understanding why he's being rated so low.
Brandon Moore, Texas, 6-5, 322 STRENGTHS: Naturally large man with long limbs and good overall weight distribution. Scheme versatile. Flashes a powerful bull rush to push the pocket. Possesses just average burst but shows surprising straight-line speed once he gets going. Untapped potential. WEAKNESSES: Moore has just average quickness off the snap and plays higher than scouts would like, negating his strength, at times. He lacks top athleticism and needs a clear lane to close on the ball. He suffered a neck injury against Oklahoma (2012) which caused him to be carted off the field and be sent to a local hospital for precautionary purposes. Medical reports will be important
Because of his length, strength and the fact that he has been successful inside as a 4-3 defensive tackle and outside as a 3-4 defensive end, he could draw middle- to late round-consideration from NFL teams willing to gamble on his upside.
Gilbert Pena, Ole Miss, 6-3, 330