***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Well with the signings of Porter, Grimes, and Nnamdi recent it looks like the CB market is pretty much dead. Given the progression of the league I don't see any quality CB's entering the secondary market like other positions. For me this basically points to having to take a CB in the draft. The question is when? The Pats tend to like to take CBs in the 2nd (early to mid). I'm hoping this doesn't point to trading back the 1st for a mid 2nd and 4th but that scenerio is likely. If true then we won't be taking a DT early nor DE. It also suggests to me that they would double down on both WR's and CB's.

    I remember someone bringing up what DL's people saw in the late round so I went over some players:

     

    Montori Hughes DT Tenn-Martin 6'4" 330lb: If not for off-field issues which resulted in him getting booted out of Tenn he'd be a late 2nd-3rd round pick. Not overly athletic he has tremendous power and a quick burst. He had an impressive senior bowl and from reports looked great in position drills. He's been inconsistent but has very high upside if he can mature.

    Quanterus Smith DE W Kentucky 6'5" 250lb: Another day 2 kid who's stock has dropped because of a late season ending ACL tear. Prior to the ACL injury he was dominanting his conference with 12.5 sacks and 18.5 TFL. The more impressive thing was that he absolutely owned Fluker with 3 sacks against Ala. His sacks came in bunches showing a lot of inconsistency but when they came they were impressive against some of the better OLs in the country. He's a bit of a tweener but if he can add 15lbs during rehab he could become a passing rushing 43 DE specialist.

    David Bess DE W Missouri State 6'4" 262lb: If you are looking for a small school sleeper this might be the kid. He has been very consistent in pass rushing and has well developed moves. He had 14.5 sacks in 2011 and 11.5 in 2012. He had a good Shrine game beating some of the better Ts in 1v1 drills.

    Nick Williams DT Samford 6'4" 310lbs: Only playing 1 year of football in high school and going to a smaller school he is easily overlooked. He doesn't have the best stats and you might not even find his name on any draft board but at the combine I watch his position drills and came away fairly impressed. He was fluid and had a focused drive. He showed some power and ability that I didn't even see in some of the bigger named prospects. Coming from a school no one has ever heard of and having no real training in high school I'm sure this kid is as raw as they come but he has some athletic ability.

    Chris Jones DE/DT Bowling Green 6'2" 300lbs: On the smaller side and not that gifted athletically this kid could have the highest motor out of anyone in the draft. He's relentless at the line and is extremely consistent from play to play. He has amazing short area quickness and has developed great use of leverage because of his smaller size. He just wears down lineman giving max effort with every play. He's one of the few in the country for DL who typically work in the A and B gaps to put up double digit sacks and has consistently improved with every year he's played. He might end up being a good roational DL player moving inside and out but his lack of natural athletic ability is going to limit his ceiling

     



     

    Hey PE,

    Good info on some lesser known/discussed prospects... of your list, Jones is a kid that I have on my posted board for the reasons that you mention... love this kid as a potential Day 3 option that can provide some interior passrush when needed.

     



    ha! you punk i was talking about chris jones months ago and you disregarded him because of his size. lol ;)

     

     



    Haha, he was listed at 6-1 293 back then but measured in at 6-2 302 which put him back on my radar. 

     

     
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    I know RB is not exactly a need but I like Zac Stacy as a late round option.

     



    I also like Spencer Ware, CJ Anderson, Matt Tucker and Knile Davis in that range as well.

     

     
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    I know RB is not exactly a need but I like Zac Stacy as a late round option.

     



    I like Spencer Ware, CJ Anderson and Knile Davis in that range as well.

     



    Matthew Tucker?

     
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    I know RB is not exactly a need but I like Zac Stacy as a late round option.

     



    I like Spencer Ware, CJ Anderson and Knile Davis in that range as well.

     

     



    Matthew Tucker?

     

     



    We must've posted at the same time... look up, ha.

    BB seems to like the bigger backs, so that's generally the first thing that I look for.

     

     
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    I know RB is not exactly a need but I like Zac Stacy as a late round option.

     



    I like Spencer Ware, CJ Anderson and Knile Davis in that range as well.

     

     



    Matthew Tucker?

     

     



    We must've posted at the same time... look up, ha.

    BB seems to like the bigger backs, so that's generally the first thing that I look for.

     



    That's funny...

    He looks kinda long for a RB. His 40 is 4.44. It looks like from this video that he can cut well and is hard to bring down.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkH8oWDBXis

     
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    I know RB is not exactly a need but I like Zac Stacy as a late round option.

     



    I like Spencer Ware, CJ Anderson and Knile Davis in that range as well.

     

     



    Matthew Tucker?

     

     



    We must've posted at the same time... look up, ha.

    BB seems to like the bigger backs, so that's generally the first thing that I look for.

     

     



    That's funny...

     

    He looks kinda long for a RB. His 40 is 4.44. It looks like from this video that he can cut well and is hard to bring down.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkH8oWDBXis



    And reports also talk about his ability as a receiver and understanding of blocking concepts.

     
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    knile Davis?

    Heck I had him pegged to go long before that. Yep I would certainly take him in the 7th.

    ** ok now i see why **

     
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    Man utah state must play some slow competition because Kerwynn Williams just runs past most people without even making any moves.

     
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    How about Kyle Juszczyk.

     
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    How about Kyle Juszczyk.



    FB? 

     
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    Ray Graham is a very crafty runner. Could not find much video of Tucker on youtube.

     
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    How about Kyle Juszczyk.

     



    FB? 

     



    yeah, He's as much an H back. lined up a lot even at TE at Harvard. really nice hands.

    Take it back sam gash style. Block and catch.

     
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    Ray Graham is a very crafty runner. Could not find much video of Tucker on youtube.



    There isn't much. I may have TCU among my recordings.

     
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    Anyone ever go back and watch clips of Alfred Morris from florida Atlantic?

    I just did tonight out of curiousity marveling at how well all the backs have done like him Foster, Rdiley, etc who run in the 4.7 range.

    You watch his film and I wonder how the heck he ever lasted as long as he did. Clearly no one ever watched his film or something.

     
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    Ray Graham is a very crafty runner. Could not find much video of Tucker on youtube.

     




    Graham had a really good game vs. ND this year... small/slight build, but ran with some conviction... also has some ability as a receiver out of the backfield.

     

     
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    Ray Graham is a very crafty runner. Could not find much video of Tucker on youtube.

     




    Graham had a really good game vs. ND this year... small/slight build, but ran with some conviction.

     



    Even the craftiness of when he went out for a pass caught my eye. The slight pause or hestitation at the line of scrimmage behind his line croutched slightly before sliding out. Small attention to details.

     
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    Ray Graham is a very crafty runner. Could not find much video of Tucker on youtube.

     




    Graham had a really good game vs. ND this year... small/slight build, but ran with some conviction.

     

     



    Even the craftiness of when he went out for a pass caught my eye. The slight pause or hestitation at the line of scrimmage behind his line croutched slightly before sliding out. Small attention to details.

     




    Yeah... Pitt def seems to churn out a certain type of back as he's been compared a bit to Lesean McCoy... Dion Lewis was also a smaller back.

     
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    Anyone ever go back and watch clips of Alfred Morris from florida Atlantic?

    I just did tonight out of curiousity marveling at how well all the backs have done like him Foster, Rdiley, etc who run in the 4.7 range.

    You watch his film and I wonder how the heck he ever lasted as long as he did. Clearly no one ever watched his film or something.



    I just watched  Morris' youtube. You do have to wonder if people actually watched his video.

    The other thing that I came out with from watching video is wonder if he's going to get penalized a lot for dropping his head just before getting tackled. 

     
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    Anyone ever go back and watch clips of Alfred Morris from florida Atlantic?

    I just did tonight out of curiousity marveling at how well all the backs have done like him Foster, Rdiley, etc who run in the 4.7 range.

    You watch his film and I wonder how the heck he ever lasted as long as he did. Clearly no one ever watched his film or something.

     



    I just watched  Morris' youtube. You do have to wonder if people actually watched his video.

     

    The other thing that I came out with from watching video is wonder if he's going to get penalized a lot for dropping his head just before getting tackled. 



    yeah he loved lowering the boom. I noticed that as well.

     
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    Ray Graham is a very crafty runner. Could not find much video of Tucker on youtube.

     




    Graham had a really good game vs. ND this year... small/slight build, but ran with some conviction.

     

     



    Even the craftiness of when he went out for a pass caught my eye. The slight pause or hestitation at the line of scrimmage behind his line croutched slightly before sliding out. Small attention to details.

     

     




    Yeah... Pitt def seems to churn out a certain type of back as he's been compared a bit to Lesean McCoy... Dion Lewis was also a smaller back.

     

     

    RB and the Patriots need absolutely none. If anyone slips through the draft cracks and are UDFA's then and only then would BB consider drafting a RB in this draft,one exception and that is if Dennard Robinson is veiwed as a RB.


     

     
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    Boston Herald's Jeff Howe reports the New England Patriots will host Florida State DE Cornellius "Tank" Carradine.

    Carradine joins five other players who have scheduled visits. "They have scheduled official visits with Oregon defensive end Dion Jordan, Florida State defensive end Tank Carradine, Washington cornerback Desmond Trufant, Alabama offensive lineman D.J. Fluker, LSU cornerback Tyrann Mathieu and Oklahoma wide receiver Kenny Stills, according to a source," Howe writes.



    are we going to trade into the top 5 for jordan?

    stills is ok, but there are so many id taek before him.

    fluker aint gonna be near 29.

    trufant could be worth the pick but i dont want to draf t acb unless its in the third rd.

    so my question is why spend all that time with guys who wont bew available. gettign to see the competition? really?

    make the pick carradine at 29 and be done with it (followed by a wre like rogers or similar).

    mathieu is talented and a playmaker, but id rather have a cb duo like seattle.  (now if he got busted between now and the draft for pot (bb secret scheme to make him drop to round 7), i'm on board :)

     
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    blidi wreh wilson sounds like a bb typoe guy, but mathieu is more playmaker / gamechanger 

    re these 2 cbs who visited gillette.

    did you hear the wreh wilson interview?

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Boston Herald's Jeff Howe reports the New England Patriots will host Florida State DE Cornellius "Tank" Carradine.

    Carradine joins five other players who have scheduled visits. "They have scheduled official visits with Oregon defensive end Dion Jordan, Florida State defensive end Tank Carradine, Washington cornerback Desmond Trufant, Alabama offensive lineman D.J. Fluker, LSU cornerback Tyrann Mathieu and Oklahoma wide receiver Kenny Stills, according to a source," Howe writes.



    Somewhere in there is a player they really do want. They usually take one or two kids from a bunch that they bring in. It's curious the amount of DE's they have coming in. I'm wondering if that's a ploy. Right at 29 there's going to be a run on DE's and the last 4-5 DT's of the 1st round talent. Could the DE's be a ploy the get teams to jump on them before the Pats move up (like last year) in hopes that a DT drops or could they really be targetting a DE? If they are I'm hoping Hunt is in their crosshairs and Tank is camflouge. I see big things for Hunt.

     

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