***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Hernandez seemed to have less issues than the honey badger when it comes to pot, he was never kicked off the team or arrested as far as I know, and he lasted until rd 4. But, Correct me if I'm wrong his original projection was mid-2nd to early 3rd while Mathieu could've been mid-1st to early 2nd?

    Either way, a special teams dynamo who plays CB like Cortland Finnegan at 5'10" with attitude, no fear and an uncanny knack for takeaways.... he could be a steal with one of the last picks in rd 2... then again Jenoris Jenkins didn't last past like 40-45 so somebody could scoop him up long before that.



    Hernandez was more of a top 50 kid with Rd 1 upside before he dropped. 

    I like Mathieu's take away and return ability, I'm just not sure he was a Rd 1 CB at 5-9 172 as he's prob relegated to slot duties only.  I compare him more to a Jayron Hosley type, smaller, with very good ball skills and the ability to close who will also give you some return ability.

    Some team will prob snag Mathieu on day 2, but I could see him lasting to Day 3.




    If he has more issues before the draft I could see him taking a Dennard dive and falling to day 3. For me that makes him worth taking a risk in the back of round 4 or round 5



    I think Day 3 is where BB/NC would start to consider him, based purely on value, yeah.

     
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    The Honey Badger takes what he wants. Haha

    One thing I noticed is the badger is at his best covering the slot. He is so quick and he hides a blitz better than any corner I've ever seen in college. He is much more camparable to Woodson because he is much more of a gambler. He will give up yards but he dares QB's to throw his way because he has that ability to turn it into 6 the other way. 

    Remember he was also the best punt returner in the country as well. I really wanted Jenoris Jenkins last year, but the Badger even carries bigger baggage. My theory is that you can teach a player all the things he needs to no to be successful but you cant teach talent or play makers. He measures off the chart in both of these.

    MB could you imagine the swagger our DB's would gain if we got Elam in the first and Mathieu in the 3rd along with Dennard out there. McCourty would look like the Pope.



    mcc woudl still ge beat never because he canrt see teh ball adn cant jam at the line still.

    yes all over jenkins last year and yes on everythign you see in mathieu if he doesnt get 3 strikes form the nfl before the end of year 2.

    if only we only had those needs your draft would be nice. but we dont. and we dont have 2 picks in every round this year.

    and if we pick a db, odds are they will suck.

     

    so for all of these reasons f..a dbs make a lot more sense

     
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    Hey man, doing good, pumped about the Pats and Celts chances this year.

    So Jason McCourty is out of the picture huh, thats too bad, woulda been fun to have the brothers in the secondary and Devin at FS.

    I don't really think we have the pass-rush opposite Jones either, but Nink is projected to have 8 sacks AND 8 FF to go with 50 or so tackles, clutch play guy as well. I'd much rather have Love forced into a backup role than Nink right now, especially with VW being 31 or so and a guy I'd like to see getting more rest.

    How about we replace Chung with Byrd and Vollmer with Jake Long (Solder moves to RT) in free agency? That would make me pretty happy.

     



    I would let Vollmer and chung walk resign welker brace, fletcher, and endelman, and sign King Dunlap OT Philly, Jabari greer CB New orleans, and Aaron Curry OLB oakland. 

    we would use mccourty as a safety

    then draft:

     

     

    2013 NFL draft

    1st Round - Barrett Jones, T/G/C, Alabama or Bennie Logan, DT, LSU
    2nd Round - Margus Hunt, DE, SMU (2-3 round)
    3rd Round - Tyrann Mathieu*, CB/S, LSU will drop due to off field issues could be a steal
    4th Round - Braden Hansen, G, BYU (6-7) or Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina
    7th Round - Ron Powell*, OLB, Florida  or Jake stoneburner, TE, OSU

    That would give us a stud Guard to replace Waters (Hansen), a stud center to take connollys place and allow him to be in the rotation at guard (Jones) being that mankins is having health issues or a DT who could spell vince, a mammoth freak of nature 6'8" DE to play opposite of jones (Hunt)  and a troubled but potentially great DB in the honey badger. 

    then sign the titans DB coach brett maxie to coach our secondary (assistant D coord. in title)I think this would go a long way to fixing our defense.



    wow nate you are all in and have it all worked out. i love love lvoe this kind of thnking (did a couple versions of these last year) did i miss something? who you have replacing vollmer? especaill happy to hear teh fa and db coach moves.

    now if bb were not as stubborn as a brick wall :)




    King Dunlap is the guy i have replacing vollmer, he a mammoth OT from philly who doesn't have the back problems vollmer does.  I love vollmer but he is injured too often, even though he is great when healthy.



    i agree with you on teh vollmer back issue that likely will be with him thoughout.

 
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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.

     
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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.



    I'm still on Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan at the back end of Rd 1... the Bama kids are also high on my Rd 1 watchlist as are potential late risers (curent Day 2 kids) like Gator S Matt Elam, Stanford OLB/DE Chase Thomas and maybe Oregon State CB Jordan Poyer.

     
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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.



    I'm still on Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan at the back end of Rd 1.  The Bama kids are also high on my Rd 1 watchlist as is Gator S Matt Elam who cold make a late push.



    havetn focused on watchiing him, but you interested in a 240lb de/olb for the pats?

    no concern about the weight?

     
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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.



    I'm still on Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan at the back end of Rd 1.  The Bama kids are also high on my Rd 1 watchlist as is Gator S Matt Elam who cold make a late push.



    havetn focused on watchiing him, but you interested in a 240lb de/olb for the pats?

    no concern about the weight?



    Look forward to see his actual weight at the SB/Combine (Crable had similar listed weights, but didn't have Jordan's upsid), other than that, kid has elite upside as an edge player... heck the kid is so athletic, that he's had some CB assignments... and he's 6-6.

     
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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.



    I'm still on Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan at the back end of Rd 1.  The Bama kids are also high on my Rd 1 watchlist as is Gator S Matt Elam who cold make a late push.



    havetn focused on watchiing him, but you interested in a 240lb de/olb for the pats?

    no concern about the weight?



    Look forward to see his actual weight at the SB/Combine (Crable had similar listed weights, but didn't have Jordan's upsid), other than that, kid has elite upside as an edge player... heck the kid is so athletic, that he's had some CB assignments... and he's 6-6.



    yes unbelieveably so.

    i see him listed several places at 6 7"

    i too arrived at bookend de/olb as our top need when i got to your thread.

    cb is high but as i said last year, not in draft.

    so given all the players available you mention above, you take jordan.

    hard to belive you would consider a safety over bookend for jones in rd1.

     
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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.



    I'm still on Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan at the back end of Rd 1.  The Bama kids are also high on my Rd 1 watchlist as is Gator S Matt Elam who cold make a late push.



    havetn focused on watchiing him, but you interested in a 240lb de/olb for the pats?

    no concern about the weight?



    Look forward to see his actual weight at the SB/Combine (Crable had similar listed weights, but didn't have Jordan's upsid), other than that, kid has elite upside as an edge player... heck the kid is so athletic, that he's had some CB assignments... and he's 6-6.



    im seeing him up to 243 now.

     
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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.



    I'm still on Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan at the back end of Rd 1.  The Bama kids are also high on my Rd 1 watchlist as is Gator S Matt Elam who cold make a late push.



    havetn focused on watchiing him, but you interested in a 240lb de/olb for the pats?

    no concern about the weight?



    Look forward to see his actual weight at the SB/Combine (Crable had similar listed weights, but didn't have Jordan's upsid), other than that, kid has elite upside as an edge player... heck the kid is so athletic, that he's had some CB assignments... and he's 6-6.



    im seeing him up to 243 now.


     

    Here's some of his 2012 tape, there's more out there.

    His athleticism, versatility and motor really stand out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JATMzVLBA0

     
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    Does anyone think Barrett Jones would be anywhere even close when the Patriots pick? I see him as a top 5 pick.

     
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    Does anyone think Barrett Jones would be anywhere even close when the Patriots pick? I see him as a top 5 pick.



    we got too any needs for me to draft him with our first pick and he wont be available.

    no shot unless we go to and lose a wild card game probabaly, even then only a chance.

     
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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.



    I'm still on Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan at the back end of Rd 1.  The Bama kids are also high on my Rd 1 watchlist as is Gator S Matt Elam who cold make a late push.



    havetn focused on watchiing him, but you interested in a 240lb de/olb for the pats?

    no concern about the weight?



    Look forward to see his actual weight at the SB/Combine (Crable had similar listed weights, but didn't have Jordan's upsid), other than that, kid has elite upside as an edge player... heck the kid is so athletic, that he's had some CB assignments... and he's 6-6.



    im seeing him up to 243 now.


     

    Here's some of his 2012 tape, there's more out there.

    His athleticism, versatility and motor really stand out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JATMzVLBA0



    thanks mb. thats what i understand. will look. 

    by the way, at 6,6" to 6 7" id rather see him at 253 on his way to 260

    jpp aint slow.

     
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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.



    I'm still on Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan at the back end of Rd 1.  The Bama kids are also high on my Rd 1 watchlist as is Gator S Matt Elam who cold make a late push.



    havetn focused on watchiing him, but you interested in a 240lb de/olb for the pats?

    no concern about the weight?



    Look forward to see his actual weight at the SB/Combine (Crable had similar listed weights, but didn't have Jordan's upsid), other than that, kid has elite upside as an edge player... heck the kid is so athletic, that he's had some CB assignments... and he's 6-6.



    im seeing him up to 243 now.


     

    Here's some of his 2012 tape, there's more out there.

    His athleticism, versatility and motor really stand out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JATMzVLBA0



    i would like to see him against top competition (this was fresno state)

    he was unblocked much of the game.

    heard about him playing slot, that was CRAZY. and he looked ok.

    there wasnt much running at him, and few times they did, was nobody to block him.

    id liek to see what happens when a big tackle blocks him on a run. also how he does against better tackles on passes..

    thanks for the watch mb

    keep it coming. 

    this year havent had time to do research. and when i watch games, not from home much at all. catching plays between sets at gym.

     
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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.




    I'm still stuck on Jonathan Jenkins. I think he's an elite DT/NT similar to Wilfork and if he's anywhere past the top 20 he's the type of player I think BB moves up for.

    When I saw move up I feel BB only moves up in the 1st for players he feels he can build the future around at their position ala Jones and Hightower

     
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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.



    I'm still on Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan at the back end of Rd 1.  The Bama kids are also high on my Rd 1 watchlist as is Gator S Matt Elam who cold make a late push.



    havetn focused on watchiing him, but you interested in a 240lb de/olb for the pats?

    no concern about the weight?



    Look forward to see his actual weight at the SB/Combine (Crable had similar listed weights, but didn't have Jordan's upsid), other than that, kid has elite upside as an edge player... heck the kid is so athletic, that he's had some CB assignments... and he's 6-6.



    im seeing him up to 243 now.


     

    Here's some of his 2012 tape, there's more out there.

    His athleticism, versatility and motor really stand out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JATMzVLBA0



    i would like to see him against top competition (this was fresno state)

    he was unblocked much of the game.

    heard about him playing slot, that was CRAZY. and he looked ok.

    there wasnt much running at him, and few times they did, was nobody to block him.

    id liek to see what happens when a big tackle blocks him on a run. also how he does against better tackles on passes..

    thanks for the watch mb

    keep it coming. 

    this year havent had time to do research. and when i watch games, not from home much at all. catching plays between sets at gym.




    There were multiple times where they ran to his side of the line and the edge was set... int he times they ran away from him, he made a number of plays in backside pursuit.

    I also like his ability to "bend the edge", get under an OT's block, which is even more impressive considering his height.

    My biggest knock on him to date is that he needs to protect his legs better.

    Here's more 2012 vs. Arizona State:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVicjLxsI_U

     
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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.




    I'm still stuck on Jonathan Jenkins. I think he's an elite DT/NT similar to Wilfork and if he's anywhere past the top 20 he's the type of player I think BB moves up for.

    When I saw move up I feel BB only moves up in the 1st for players he feels he can build the future around at their position ala Jones and Hightower



    i'll stay in the middle on my decision for now.

    prior to deciding on players i went in thinking the de was the top move to make

     
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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.



    I'm still on Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan at the back end of Rd 1.  The Bama kids are also high on my Rd 1 watchlist as is Gator S Matt Elam who cold make a late push.



    havetn focused on watchiing him, but you interested in a 240lb de/olb for the pats?

    no concern about the weight?



    Look forward to see his actual weight at the SB/Combine (Crable had similar listed weights, but didn't have Jordan's upsid), other than that, kid has elite upside as an edge player... heck the kid is so athletic, that he's had some CB assignments... and he's 6-6.



    im seeing him up to 243 now.


     

    Here's some of his 2012 tape, there's more out there.

    His athleticism, versatility and motor really stand out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JATMzVLBA0



    i would like to see him against top competition (this was fresno state)

    he was unblocked much of the game.

    heard about him playing slot, that was CRAZY. and he looked ok.

    there wasnt much running at him, and few times they did, was nobody to block him.

    id liek to see what happens when a big tackle blocks him on a run. also how he does against better tackles on passes..

    thanks for the watch mb

    keep it coming. 

    this year havent had time to do research. and when i watch games, not from home much at all. catching plays between sets at gym.




    There were multiple times where they ran to his side of the line and the edge was set... int he times they ran away from him, he made a number of plays in backside pursuit.

    I also like his ability to "bend the edge", get under an OT's block, which is even more impressive considering his height.

    My biggest knock on him to date is that he needs to protect his legs better.

    Here's more 2012 vs. Arizona State:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVicjLxsI_U



    i saw the backside, very impressive. again he wasnt blocked much what i saw. few times he was, he was blocked well. thanks for the 2nd tube. will check it out.

    so given jenkins and jordan withiin reach you are ready to say take jordan?

     
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    from the thread i started:

    Holy Crap Batman! BB Makes A Trade?! For a CB?! and a Huuuuge Trouble Guy. BB Can Change His Stripes Thank God!!!

    EVen if he's not here past this year.

    If he plays on the field through the playoffs and helps us wiin a super bowl, what a move!

    for a 4th rounder? sb for a 4th rd pick. if it comes to be true. what a move!

     

    we have needed this FOR YEARSSSSSSSSS!

    bb is all in for a super bowl 

    how pissed was bb that gronks injury cost a super bowl. so pissed he grabbed every te in sight to be sure he had a competent replacement if gronk or hern were to go down.

    now hes finnnnnnaaaalllyyy gotten past his stubborness with our cbs inssiting it will be ok with our very poorly performing backfield. 

    all there is left to do is watch and enjoy as bb makes the psuh for another ring.

    i say damn good for him!

    glad you took a shot. 

    glad you can grow.

    glad you realize brady aint gonna play forever...

    and you can shoot for modern day football immortality.

     

    look at the impact this has on the draft (if we keep him)! could be risky but would seriously free us up at 1 of teh highest needs. still could drop him and pick up a good fa in the offseason if we think talib will stay a knucklehead.

     
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    27 is right in our potential spot as of now, I believe that we will improve and not have the 27th pick but as of now that is were we are projected.  So i believe it is reasonable to suggest.  There is always a guy who falls and being that this draft has so many stud DT/DE he could just fall.

     

     

     

     


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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.



    I'm still on Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan at the back end of Rd 1.  The Bama kids are also high on my Rd 1 watchlist as is Gator S Matt Elam who cold make a late push.



    havetn focused on watchiing him, but you interested in a 240lb de/olb for the pats?

    no concern about the weight?



    Look forward to see his actual weight at the SB/Combine (Crable had similar listed weights, but didn't have Jordan's upsid), other than that, kid has elite upside as an edge player... heck the kid is so athletic, that he's had some CB assignments... and he's 6-6.



    im seeing him up to 243 now.


     

    Here's some of his 2012 tape, there's more out there.

    His athleticism, versatility and motor really stand out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JATMzVLBA0



    thanks mb. thats what i understand. will look. 

    by the way, at 6,6" to 6 7" id rather see him at 253 on his way to 260

    jpp aint slow.




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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    In response to sporter81's comment:

    Does anyone think Barrett Jones would be anywhere even close when the Patriots pick? I see him as a top 5 pick.



    when was the last time a Center went top 5?  not sure if mangold was top 5, being that he plays for the J.E.T.S it is somewhat likely

     
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    27 is right in our potential spot as of now, I believe that we will improve and not have the 27th pick but as of now that is were we are projected.  So i believe it is reasonable to suggest.  There is always a guy who falls and being that this draft has so many stud DT/DE he could just fall.

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    who the rest of you got for our first rd pick?

    by the way nate, walter football has him (barrett) gone at 27 (to the pack)

    b. how easy would it be to pass on terrence williams (that walter has us taking). we have not had an outside wr who could get seperation. we have higher needs of course. but it woudl open up what is avail on offense greatly even agsint the sf's, houton's, etc and help brady in his late years.



    I'm still on Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan at the back end of Rd 1.  The Bama kids are also high on my Rd 1 watchlist as is Gator S Matt Elam who cold make a late push.



    havetn focused on watchiing him, but you interested in a 240lb de/olb for the pats?

    no concern about the weight?



    Look forward to see his actual weight at the SB/Combine (Crable had similar listed weights, but didn't have Jordan's upsid), other than that, kid has elite upside as an edge player... heck the kid is so athletic, that he's had some CB assignments... and he's 6-6.



    im seeing him up to 243 now.


     

    Here's some of his 2012 tape, there's more out there.

    His athleticism, versatility and motor really stand out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JATMzVLBA0



    thanks mb. thats what i understand. will look. 

    by the way, at 6,6" to 6 7" id rather see him at 253 on his way to 260

    jpp aint slow.






  • nate was that a reply to the barrett jones availability question.

    i think no chance he makes it to 32 :)

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    konz fell dramatically, i wouldn't count it out yet, he hasn't done too much this season. Mangold was the 29th overall pick.

     
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    konz fell dramatically, i wouldn't count it out yet, he hasn't done too much this season. Mangold was the 29th overall pick.



    gotcha!

    guessin you really like barrett?

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    like you, i really like having a dominat offensive line. but our de really needs to imrove, so i put the highest priority on de line.

     
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