***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Has anyone mentioned Charles Johnson 6'2" WR with 4.38 40 time from Grand Valley State as a possible 7th rounder? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnnqcgkCfc

     
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    Apparently, Pats were one of only 3 teams present at his workout. Looks interesting

     
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    Has anyone mentioned Charles Johnson 6'2" WR with 4.38 40 time from Grand Valley State as a possible 7th rounder? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnnqcgkCfc

     




    Welcome to the thread IT... believe you're the first to mention him.

     

    Very good combo of size/speed/COD and what really pops on that short highlight to me is his ability to pluck the ball with his hands, he gets up the field in a hurry with pretty good YAC, good coordination and has little waisted motion in his route progression. 

    Good Day 3 find.

     
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    The more I look at the prospects who are likely to be available in the late 1st round, the more I am convinced that we will be forced to make a pick at 29.  I just can't see anyone being enticed to trade up from the second round into the first for any of the guys who are likely to be on the board at that point.  I know that it is a popular theory that a QB needy team could trade up into the late first to grab a QB, but does anyone really think that the likes of Barkley, Bray, Manuel, etc are worth trading up for?  I just don't see it.  I don't think we will see much trade movement in the first this year, and I'm pretty sure BB will be making a pick at 29 unless he is willing to take poor value to move out, which I highly doubt...

     



    I reached your conclusion a month ago. I had an exchange with bred on this. Bred feels that there will be teams wanting to move up for a QB. To me, all the QBs this year, project equally - not well. Put yourself in the shoes of a team. Why would you move up if you can just pick up whoever is left and get a QB with the same skill level? It's the same with other positions. 

     

    I worry more about the portion of your post that I bolded.

     

     



    hy sea, i m not sure it was me, i actually was projecting that teams reach for qbs in the first half of teh first round (before everybody grabbed fa qbs,. 2-3 may still do so.)

     

     



    I guess it wasn't you then. Oh well... someone did insist that some teams will be interested in trading up to 29. I still think no. If someone wanted to move up, the most sensible trade would be to do it after Pats pick at 29 - i.e., SFF's pick 34. Between 29 and 34, JAX is he only team that could pick a QB. From the PoV of ensuring they get a chance at their target QB, there is not difference, at a lower trade cost.

     

     



    a team which wants back into the first for one of the 2nd teir qb's would have to trade in aruond 29.  Being that SF has 15 picks they are most likely going to trade up in this draft.  The most likely suspects are the teams who wish to get a QB but miss out on the top guys.  Being that there is not much depth at the QB position in this draft teams will wnt to move up to get them.  Now if there is a team who trades with the 49ers in hopes to get a starting caliber QB there will perhaps be a team who would like to selct ahead of them to get the same QB.  29 isn't much farther than 31so it is plausable that someone would try to leapfrog the 49ers.

     




    I wouldn't discount WR and S for the same reason.  Teams that were looking to get what is left of the 1st round graded talent very early in the second rd will move up and grab them if they feel SF or Balt will draft the player they are targeting.

     
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    MB

    Following your ideas on wide receivers and difficult to sort out for one reason or another how the Pats will go.

    However have read a great article on Marcus Wheaton by Matt Walden in his column "the boiler room". Gives a play of his vs UCLA which shows his talent and why he thinks he is the best receiver in the draft.

    Where do you think he comes off the board? Is a very interesting read.

     

     
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    OK Fellas.  Here's my best attempt at a 2013 Mock.  I'll do two rounds, and try to throw a few trades in, even though there's no way I can predict those.  Criticism is not only encouraged, but expected!

    Round 1:

    1)  KC- Luke Joeckel  OT

    2)  Jax-  Shariff Floyd  DT

    3)  Oak-  Lane Johnson  OT

    4)  Philly-  Dion Jordan  OLB

    5)  Det-  Eric Fisher  OT

    6)  Clev-  Dee Milliner  CB

    7)  AZ-  Sheldon Richardson  DT

    8)  Buf-  Star Lotulelei  DT

    9)  NYJ-  Tavon Austin  WR

    10)  Tenn-  Jonathan Cooper  OG

    11)  Mia-  Jarvis Jones  OLB

    12)  SD-  Chance Warmack  OG

    13)   Trade Atl-  Ziggy Ansah  (Atl gives up #30, 2nd, and 3rd to TB)

    14)  Car-  Justin Hunter  WR

    15)  NO-  Barkevious Mingo  DE

    16)  Stl-  Alec Ogletree  LB

    17)  Pitt- Damontre Moore  OLB

    18)  Dal-  Tyler Eifert  TE

    19)  NYG-  Bjoern Werner  DE

    20)  Chi- DJ Flunker  OT

    21)  Cinncy-  Kenny Vaccaro  S

    22)  Stl-  Eddie Lacy  RB

    23)  Minn-  Corradelle Patterson  WR

    24)  Indy-  Datone Jones  DE

    25)  Minn-  Xavier Rhodes  CB

    26)  GB-  Margus Hunt  DE

    27)  Hou-  Matt Elam  S

    28) Trade Philly-  Geno Smith  QB  (Philly gives #36 & 3rd round pick to Den)

    29)  Trade  Jax-  EJ Manuel  QB  (Jax gives #33, 4th round pick, and 2014 5th to NE)

    30)  TB (from Atl)- Desmond Trufant  CB

    31)  SF- Jonathan Cyprien  S

    32)  Balt- Kevin Minter LB

    Round 2

    33)  Trade Tenn (from NE)-  Sylvester Williams  DT  (NE gets #40 and 2014 3rd)

    34)  SF-  DJ Hayden  CB

    35) Den (from Phi) Jamar Taylor  CB

    36)  Det- Larry Warford  OG

    37)  Cinncy- Tank Carradine  DE

    38)  AZ- Zach Ertz  TE

    39  NYJ- Jonathan Jenkins  DT

    40)  NE  (from Tenn)-  DeAndre Hopkins  WR

    41)  Buf- Tyler Bray  QB

    42)  Mia- Kawan Short  DE

    43)  Trade NE- Alex Okafor  DE  (TB gets Ryan Mallett and 2013 7th)

    44)  Car- Arthur Brown  LB

    45)  SD-  Eric Reid  S

    46)  Stl-  Kyle Long  OG

    47)  Dal-  Jonathan Banks  CB

    48)  Pitt- Jonathan Hankins  DT

    49)  NYG-  Giovani Bernard  RB

    50)  Chi- Manti Teo  LB

    51)  Skins- Keenan Allen  WR

    52)  Minn-  Matt Barkley  QB

    53)  Cinncy- David Amerson  CB

    54)  Mia- Logan Ryan  CB
    55)  GB-  Robert Woods  WR

    56)  Seattle-  Menelik Watson  OT

    57)  Hou-  Terrance Williams  WR

    58)  Den-  Bacarri Rambo  S

    59)  NE-  Jesse Williams  DT

    60)  TB (from Atl)-  Stedman Bailey. WR

    61)  SF-  Corey Lemonier  DE

    62)  Balt-  Sam Montgomery. DE

     

     

     

     

     




    I'm still skeptical that anyone will trade into the first for a QB, but if Geno falls this far someone might, which could start a run...

     
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    Has anyone mentioned Charles Johnson 6'2" WR with 4.38 40 time from Grand Valley State as a possible 7th rounder? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnnqcgkCfc

     

    yeah. He looked liked a good prospect to me . According to Gil Brandt he has excellent hands. Could be a find.


    Welcome to the thread IT... believe you're the first to mention him.

     

    Very good combo of size/speed/COD and what really pops on that short highlight to me is his ability to pluck the ball with his hands, he gets up the field in a hurry with pretty good YAC, good coordination and has little waisted motion in his route progression. 

    Good Day 3 find.




     
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    Can someone tell me what pick 29 is worth based on jimmy Johnson's value chart?

     
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    Looks like it was Hopkins and Harrison's hotel room that was trashed at the combine. If they did it, would any of you guys draft them?

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9187853/deandre-hopkins-mark-harrison-trashed-hotel-rooms-combine-sources-say

     



    who you are around matters. if hopkins "did it" and he dropped, hell yes.

     

    surrounded by a pat org hes not gonna behave that way. unfortunately all the other teams interested in hopkins are going to see it the same way.

    my top need is a pas rusher not a receiver so id prefer pass rusher (okafor or carradine or hunt) and rogers and dobson 

    to hopkins in rd 1, and whatever else i could get (unless i could move up for okafor or carradine or hunt with 2nd pick)

     



    Good post. I'd take Okafor over Carradine and Hunt. Originally I liked Carradine more but I'd be happy with any of the 3 if pass rusher is the way they go

     

    I would still draft Hopkins in the 1st. Good chance he didn't do it and besides it sounds more like the results of a party or something at the room instead of something Keith Moon would do

     



    youd take hopkins given a choice between those 3 and hopkins?

     




    I'd take Hopkins if available at 29. If not, Jenkins or J.Williams. Cyprien would be next. Then I'd take any of those pass rushers.

    I'd prefer to sign Abraham and add him to the mix with Jones, Nink, Francis and Cunningham and see what Bequette has. Then draft a pocket collapsing DT and I'll feel good about the DL

     
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    Would anyone be disappointed if the Pats took Cyprien at 29 and made S a strength?

     
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    The more I look at the prospects who are likely to be available in the late 1st round, the more I am convinced that we will be forced to make a pick at 29.  I just can't see anyone being enticed to trade up from the second round into the first for any of the guys who are likely to be on the board at that point.  I know that it is a popular theory that a QB needy team could trade up into the late first to grab a QB, but does anyone really think that the likes of Barkley, Bray, Manuel, etc are worth trading up for?  I just don't see it.  I don't think we will see much trade movement in the first this year, and I'm pretty sure BB will be making a pick at 29 unless he is willing to take poor value to move out, which I highly doubt...

     



    I reached your conclusion a month ago. I had an exchange with bred on this. Bred feels that there will be teams wanting to move up for a QB. To me, all the QBs this year, project equally - not well. Put yourself in the shoes of a team. Why would you move up if you can just pick up whoever is left and get a QB with the same skill level? It's the same with other positions. 

     

    I worry more about the portion of your post that I bolded.

     

     



    hy sea, i m not sure it was me, i actually was projecting that teams reach for qbs in the first half of teh first round (before everybody grabbed fa qbs,. 2-3 may still do so.)

     

     



    I guess it wasn't you then. Oh well... someone did insist that some teams will be interested in trading up to 29. I still think no. If someone wanted to move up, the most sensible trade would be to do it after Pats pick at 29 - i.e., SFF's pick 34. Between 29 and 34, JAX is he only team that could pick a QB. From the PoV of ensuring they get a chance at their target QB, there is not difference, at a lower trade cost.

     



    I think there is a great chance someone trades up to 29 but not necessarily for a QB at that spot but it wouldn't suprise me at all if someone did and took Manuel or Barkley too early

     
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    I've been looking at the roster as it stands today with a mind of identifying which current players could be upgraded in the draft.  I tried to rank the players although I didn't put a lot of thought into it.  In the process it became clear how much we lack star power on defense compared to offense, but I digress.  I listed the top 53 (IMO) players.  I did not include Ebert as he can go on the practice squad.  I did not count Demps as it appears he wants to focus on track and we signed Washington.  Mike Rivera just missed my list. 

    In looking at the below, we are clearly over budget at TE.  We should normally carry 3 but given the importance in our offense, I think we will carry 4 meaning Daniel Fells is likely out.  We would normally carry 4-5 RBs but unless there are big plans for incorporating FB into our O, Tony Fiammetta is likely gone.  Hooman can cover this duty in short yardage situations.  We appear pretty set on the OL but I think Svitek could be upgraded but would not spend a top pick doing it. 

    So on offense we really need 2 WRs above anything.  We appear pretty set at slot with Amendola, Edelman and Ebert (PS), but Donald Jones and Michael Jenkins just don't cut it for me.  But I suspect BB will add just one WR and hope the other guys can perform.

    I actually think we are pretty set on the DL with 5 DTs and 5 DEs.  Sure, we could draft a better player than we have upgrading a Bequette/Francis or a Deaderick/Armstead but I don't have any DL in my bottom 4 in terms of talent.  The lowest DT I have is Armstead at 7th from the bottom but the Pats are reportedly high on him so he will be given a chance.  Therefore I don't think the Pats will go DT but if they do, it will be for the future and won't likely give us much of a boost this year.  However, I do have Bequette/Francis in the bottom 5 and 6 so DE is a possibility.  Although I do think Bequette deserves a chance as I think he is as good as some of these guys we've been talking about in the draft.

    Three of my bottom 4 are DBs.  Dowling has better talent but what good is it if he can't get on the field?  With Dowling and Cole at or near the bottom and Talib being on a one year deal, and Adrian Wilson who has clearly slowed, a DB is still needed.  I totally think we will take a DB in the first three rounds.

    Lastly a speedy coverage LB is needed.  We could stay with the situational guy but for me, if an Ogletree is there I would highly consider him as I think Hightower belongs inside.  He played mostly inside at Bama and he's much faster than Spikes who is only a two down player.  So, I think Ogletree upgrades two positions.  So if we went Ogletree, I'd go WR and DB with our next two picks.  Any 7 rounder will end up on the PS.

     

     

    Offense 1.   Tom Brady 2.   Rob Gronkowski 3.   Logan Mankins 4.   Nate Solder 5.   Aaron Hernandez 6.   Sebastian Vollmer 7.   Danny Amendola 8.   Stevan Ridley 9.   Dan Connolly 10. Ryan Wendell 11. Julian Edelman 12. Marcus Cannon 13. Shane Vereen 14. Ryan Mallett 15. Nick McDonald 16. Leon Washington 17. Jake Ballard 18. Donald Jones 19. Michael Hoomanawanui 20. Brandon Bolden 21. Will Svitek 22. Michael Jenkins 23. Daniel Fells 24. Tony Fiammetta       Defense 1.   Vince Wilfork 2.   Jarod Mayo 3.   Aqib Talib 4.   Chandler Jones 5.   Dont'a Hightower 6.   Brandon Spikes 7.   Devin McCourty 8.   Kyle Love 9.   Alfonzo Dennard 10. Rob Ninkovich 11. Kyle Arrington 12. Steve Gregory 13. Adrian Wilson 14. Brandon Deaderick 15. Tommy Kelly 16. Jermaine Cunningham 17. Dane Fletcher 18. Tavon Wilson 19. Armond Armstead 20. Justin Francis 21. Jake Bequette 22. Jeff Tarpinian 23. Ras-I Dowling 24. Nate Ebner 25. Marquice Cole       Special Teams 1.   Stephen Gostkowski 2.   Zoltan Mesko 3.   Matthew Slater

    4.  Danny Aiken

     
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    Can someone tell me what pick 29 is worth based on jimmy Johnson's value chart?




    640 points... below is a link to the entire value chart... though I can't speak to it's accuracy. 

    http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

     
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    Following your ideas on wide receivers and difficult to sort out for one reason or another how the Pats will go.

    However have read a great article on Marcus Wheaton by Matt Walden in his column "the boiler room". Gives a play of his vs UCLA which shows his talent and why he thinks he is the best receiver in the draft.

    Where do you think he comes off the board? Is a very interesting read.

     



    hey km, welcome to the thread... I'll have to check out the article.

    Ultimately I think he's a Top 75 type kid with a good possiblity of being selected in Rd 2 and NE being a good possible destination assuming they don't pop on a WR in Rd 1.

    I love what this kid brings to the table and he's basically a prototype of what NE generally values in a WR from a speed/quicks/YAC perspective.

     
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    Can someone tell me what pick 29 is worth based on jimmy Johnson's value chart?




    Interesting, thanks for the info... kid def looks to possess a lot of what they value in WR's.

     
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    Would anyone be disappointed if the Pats took Cyprien at 29 and made S a strength?




    At the end of the day, I want them to draft the best possible players and if they think Cyprien is that kid, then I'm all for it... he (along with a handful of other physical safeties) have remained on my board, even with the addition of Adrian.

    We know what type of impact a dynamic, physical safety can have on a defense and out outside of Wilson, who's on the downside of his career, they don't have this type of presence on the roster.

     
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    Has anyone mentioned Charles Johnson 6'2" WR with 4.38 40 time from Grand Valley State as a possible 7th rounder? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnnqcgkCfc

     




    Welcome to the thread IT... believe you're the first to mention him.

     

    Very good combo of size/speed/COD and what really pops on that short highlight to me is his ability to pluck the ball with his hands, he gets up the field in a hurry with pretty good YAC, good coordination and has little waisted motion in his route progression. 

    Good Day 3 find.



    "size/speed/COD and what really pops on that short highlight to me is his ability to pluck" that is exaclty what we are looking for, and by we i mean me. just dotn miss by somone taking him in the 5th or 6th rd if he is 1/2 teh wr plan in this draft

     
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    MB

    Following your ideas on wide receivers and difficult to sort out for one reason or another how the Pats will go.

    However have read a great article on Marcus Wheaton by Matt Walden in his column "the boiler room". Gives a play of his vs UCLA which shows his talent and why he thinks he is the best receiver in the draft.

    Where do you think he comes off the board? Is a very interesting read.

     

     



    no separation and gets easily reidrected...thats what we need of a 5 11 receiver.....not.

     

     
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    Has anyone mentioned Charles Johnson 6'2" WR with 4.38 40 time from Grand Valley State as a possible 7th rounder? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnnqcgkCfc

     

    yeah. He looked liked a good prospect to me . According to Gil Brandt he has excellent hands. Could be a find.


    Welcome to the thread IT... believe you're the first to mention him.

     

    Very good combo of size/speed/COD and what really pops on that short highlight to me is his ability to pluck the ball with his hands, he gets up the field in a hurry with pretty good YAC, good coordination and has little waisted motion in his route progression. 

    Good Day 3 find.

     




     



    "yeah. He looked liked a good prospect to me . According to Gil Brandt he has excellent hands."

    thats what i tlaking bout man.

     
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    Probably been talked about before, but has anyone noticed how far Werner has dropped in some of these mock drafts? I can't see him making it out of the top 15. 

     
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    Looks like it was Hopkins and Harrison's hotel room that was trashed at the combine. If they did it, would any of you guys draft them?

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9187853/deandre-hopkins-mark-harrison-trashed-hotel-rooms-combine-sources-say

     



    who you are around matters. if hopkins "did it" and he dropped, hell yes.

     

    surrounded by a pat org hes not gonna behave that way. unfortunately all the other teams interested in hopkins are going to see it the same way.

    my top need is a pas rusher not a receiver so id prefer pass rusher (okafor or carradine or hunt) and rogers and dobson 

    to hopkins in rd 1, and whatever else i could get (unless i could move up for okafor or carradine or hunt with 2nd pick)

     



    Good post. I'd take Okafor over Carradine and Hunt. Originally I liked Carradine more but I'd be happy with any of the 3 if pass rusher is the way they go

     

    I would still draft Hopkins in the 1st. Good chance he didn't do it and besides it sounds more like the results of a party or something at the room instead of something Keith Moon would do

     



    youd take hopkins given a choice between those 3 and hopkins?

     

     




    I'd take Hopkins if available at 29. If not, Jenkins or J.Williams. Cyprien would be next. Then I'd take any of those pass rushers.

     

    I'd prefer to sign Abraham and add him to the mix with Jones, Nink, Francis and Cunningham and see what Bequette has. Then draft a pocket collapsing DT and I'll feel good about the DL



    yeah id take abraham and the de adn wouldnt coutn on all of the pass ruhsers holdign up for 18 games

     
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    Would anyone be disappointed if the Pats took Cyprien at 29 and made S a strength?



    too many needs. in an ideal world with a pcik in every round... a round 3 safety yeah

     
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    I've been looking at the roster as it stands today with a mind of identifying which current players could be upgraded in the draft.  I tried to rank the players although I didn't put a lot of thought into it.  In the process it became clear how much we lack star power on defense compared to offense, but I digress.  I listed the top 53 (IMO) players.  I did not include Ebert as he can go on the practice squad.  I did not count Demps as it appears he wants to focus on track and we signed Washington.  Mike Rivera just missed my list. 

    In looking at the below, we are clearly over budget at TE.  We should normally carry 3 but given the importance in our offense, I think we will carry 4 meaning Daniel Fells is likely out.  We would normally carry 4-5 RBs but unless there are big plans for incorporating FB into our O, Tony Fiammetta is likely gone.  Hooman can cover this duty in short yardage situations.  We appear pretty set on the OL but I think Svitek could be upgraded but would not spend a top pick doing it. 

    So on offense we really need 2 WRs above anything.  We appear pretty set at slot with Amendola, Edelman and Ebert (PS), but Donald Jones and Michael Jenkins just don't cut it for me.  But I suspect BB will add just one WR and hope the other guys can perform.

    I actually think we are pretty set on the DL with 5 DTs and 5 DEs.  Sure, we could draft a better player than we have upgrading a Bequette/Francis or a Deaderick/Armstead but I don't have any DL in my bottom 4 in terms of talent.  The lowest DT I have is Armstead at 7th from the bottom but the Pats are reportedly high on him so he will be given a chance.  Therefore I don't think the Pats will go DT but if they do, it will be for the future and won't likely give us much of a boost this year.  However, I do have Bequette/Francis in the bottom 5 and 6 so DE is a possibility.  Although I do think Bequette deserves a chance as I think he is as good as some of these guys we've been talking about in the draft.

    Three of my bottom 4 are DBs.  Dowling has better talent but what good is it if he can't get on the field?  With Dowling and Cole at or near the bottom and Talib being on a one year deal, and Adrian Wilson who has clearly slowed, a DB is still needed.  I totally think we will take a DB in the first three rounds.

    Lastly a speedy coverage LB is needed.  We could stay with the situational guy but for me, if an Ogletree is there I would highly consider him as I think Hightower belongs inside.  He played mostly inside at Bama and he's much faster than Spikes who is only a two down player.  So, I think Ogletree upgrades two positions.  So if we went Ogletree, I'd go WR and DB with our next two picks.  Any 7 rounder will end up on the PS.

     

     

    Offense 1.   Tom Brady 2.   Rob Gronkowski 3.   Logan Mankins 4.   Nate Solder 5.   Aaron Hernandez 6.   Sebastian Vollmer 7.   Danny Amendola 8.   Stevan Ridley 9.   Dan Connolly 10. Ryan Wendell 11. Julian Edelman 12. Marcus Cannon 13. Shane Vereen 14. Ryan Mallett 15. Nick McDonald 16. Leon Washington 17. Jake Ballard 18. Donald Jones 19. Michael Hoomanawanui 20. Brandon Bolden 21. Will Svitek 22. Michael Jenkins 23. Daniel Fells 24. Tony Fiammetta       Defense 1.   Vince Wilfork 2.   Jarod Mayo 3.   Aqib Talib 4.   Chandler Jones 5.   Dont'a Hightower 6.   Brandon Spikes 7.   Devin McCourty 8.   Kyle Love 9.   Alfonzo Dennard 10. Rob Ninkovich 11. Kyle Arrington 12. Steve Gregory 13. Adrian Wilson 14. Brandon Deaderick 15. Tommy Kelly 16. Jermaine Cunningham 17. Dane Fletcher 18. Tavon Wilson 19. Armond Armstead 20. Justin Francis 21. Jake Bequette 22. Jeff Tarpinian 23. Ras-I Dowling 24. Nate Ebner 25. Marquice Cole       Special Teams 1.   Stephen Gostkowski 2.   Zoltan Mesko 3.   Matthew Slater

    4.  Danny Aiken



    good analysis the need is there, but we need a guaranteed pass rush (2nd wr iron tonys guy above?)

    i came ot same conslusions but valeud pass rushing de above cover lb in draft

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    In response to mthurl's comment:

    Probably been talked about before, but has anyone noticed how far Werner has dropped in some of these mock drafts? I can't see him making it out of the top 15. 



    been talking about it for a week adn asked thoughts if he and carradine were available at 29 , what woudl you do

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    In response to mthurl's comment:

    Probably been talked about before, but has anyone noticed how far Werner has dropped in some of these mock drafts? I can't see him making it out of the top 15. 



    for a couple weeks yes. i have asked if he and carradien there at 29 what do you do? no opinions registered yet

     
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