***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Ok I have started to comply my wish list for the 2013 draft. Now assuming that the Pats are in the last 4 spots on the draft here's what I have complied:

    1st - Jonathan Jenkins DT/NT 6'3" 360lbs - We might have to trade a pick next year to move up to early-late 20's to get him but it would be well worth it imo. He would add a presence in the interior similar to Wilforks. Having his size, explosiveness and ability to disrupt plays behind the line next to Wilfrok would make them the most dangerous DT combo in all of football. That should free up the LB for blitzes up the middle as well as Jones on the edge. Not only would no one be able to run against them but no QB would be safe in the pocket or to one entire side of the field forcing QB's to flush and have to throw across their bodies. Something I would love to see with this opertunistic D.

    Alternative  - Terrance Williams WR 6'3" 205lbs - Some might question this and say that BB will never spend high on a WR but I think this kid is special. Unless Edelman suddenly turns into Welker they are going to need some young talent at WR and Williams could be that man. He plays in all three levels both inside and outside the numbers without deceptive speed and quick CoD. He knows when not to get hit but can fight for the extra yards if needed. This is a kid no team will want to miss out on a year after the fact. I wouldn't be surprised if Was tries to move up and grab him to reunite with Griffin

    2nd - Travis Frederick G/C 6'4" 340lbs - This kid killed as a road grader last year. He is big and nasty and throws big lineman around like rag dolls. The only issue is he's not as mobil as BB likes in his OL. Still though if he remained at G I think he'd be a late 1st early 2nd pick. However, because on a lack of C's in Wis he was mvoed inside. A position where his lack of mobility has hurt him greatly. IMO is he is moved to a RG position where mobility isn't a huge concern he could be one of the better run blocking G's in the game. Well worth spending a 2nd on a nasty RG, esp with Ridley showing top RB talent

    Alternative - Margus Hunt DE 6'8" 280lbs - This kid started of weak but has since turned it on. He is strong at POA and against the run while showing flashes of advanced pass rushing moves. He's NFL ready sized and he might shut up NFL draft boards quickly but playing in a weaker school is going to hurt him. Still though this kid might actually become an option in the back of the 1st come draft day to bookend Jones and have one of the deadlier pass rushing duo's in the game, btw who both are strong against the run. Talk about drool inducing

    3rd - William Gholston DE 6'7" 280lbs - Much like Hunt this kid is oozing talent but is more raw then Hunt. Though, a better run blocker and has better instincts to smell out screens he is much more raw in pass rushing. Think of him as a bigger more athletic version of Nink at this point but with a much larger upside. He might take a year to develop but this kid has a chance to be something special and to get him late in the 3rd would be a steal, but thanks to a ton of talented DE's this year it is possible. If Jenkins is taken in the first and Hunt is passed on in the 2nd this is an easy pick for me

    Alternative - Kwame Geathers DT/NT 6'6" 350lbs - If you don't take Jenkins early then you take his backup in the 3rd. Very similar player and would be a starting player for almost any team that Jenkins isn't on. obviously he's not as talented as Jenkins but in the 3rd he's an upgrade to Love and to Cunningham as an interior presence. Well worth taking a look at


    1st 7th - Tyrann Mathieu CB 5'9" 175lbs - This kid would be an idiot to come out this year but he hasn't exactly been smart so far. With all his issues even with 1st round talent I expect him to take a Dennard type of fall to the 7th. If he's there in the 6th I might look to package both 7th's to get him but if available with the 1st 7th there is no shot I let him get by.

    2nd 7th - Andre Debose WR 5'11" 190lbs - Not sure what happened with him. Last year he got the best of both Claiborne and Kirkpatrick, this year he's lost his spot. Obviously though the talent is there but I'd love to hear why he's fallen on the depth chart. Maybe it's just as simple as Fl wanting to bring up their young QB with the new WR's he's going to be playing with for the next 3 years. Either way Debose could be a huge steal. He has Wallace type of upside with his speed and ability to make CB's get turned around with double moves. He's a true outside threat just as long as he doesn't have to work the middle of the field and grind out yards



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    Ok I have started to comply my wish list for the 2013 draft. Now assuming that the Pats are in the last 4 spots on the draft here's what I have complied:

    1st - Jonathan Jenkins DT/NT 6'3" 360lbs - We might have to trade a pick next year to move up to early-late 20's to get him but it would be well worth it imo. He would add a presence in the interior similar to Wilforks. Having his size, explosiveness and ability to disrupt plays behind the line next to Wilfrok would make them the most dangerous DT combo in all of football. That should free up the LB for blitzes up the middle as well as Jones on the edge. Not only would no one be able to run against them but no QB would be safe in the pocket or to one entire side of the field forcing QB's to flush and have to throw across their bodies. Something I would love to see with this opertunistic D.

     

    interesting. if he could be a ngata it would be huge. i talked recently about favoring moving picks into this year from next for this kind of move adn asked who would be willing to do this. no one replied. the one thing about this idea is mocks such as walter football have him going higher (15) as the best defensive player in the draft (woops they just moved him up to 12). at this moment i dont count him within reach short of something extra-ordinary. given this, nate's streategy or mbs (de jordan) seem more possible.

     

     

    Alternative  - Terrance Williams WR 6'3" 205lbs - Some might question this and say that BB will never spend high on a WR but I think this kid is special. Unless Edelman suddenly turns into Welker they are going to need some young talent at WR and Williams could be that man. He plays in all three levels both inside and outside the numbers without deceptive speed and quick CoD. He knows when not to get hit but can fight for the extra yards if needed. This is a kid no team will want to miss out on a year after the fact. I wouldn't be surprised if Was tries to move up and grab him to reunite with Griffin

     

    also interesting, i suggested this consideration last week and asked if any here would consider this ie near end of rd 1 .  no replies.

     

    2nd - Travis Frederick G/C 6'4" 340lbs - This kid killed as a road grader last year. He is big and nasty and throws big lineman around like rag dolls. The only issue is he's not as mobil as BB likes in his OL. Still though if he remained at G I think he'd be a late 1st early 2nd pick. However, because on a lack of C's in Wis he was mvoed inside. A position where his lack of mobility has hurt him greatly. IMO is he is moved to a RG position where mobility isn't a huge concern he could be one of the better run blocking G's in the game. Well worth spending a 2nd on a nasty RG, esp with Ridley showing top RB talent

     

    fits one of my stated draft desires a g/c. if vollmer holds up and we plan to keep him (and the # of picks we have, g/c may be the choice over both a g/c and a g/t.

     

    Alternative - Margus Hunt DE 6'8" 280lbs - This kid started of weak but has since turned it on. He is strong at POA and against the run while showing flashes of advanced pass rushing moves. He's NFL ready sized and he might shut up NFL draft boards quickly but playing in a weaker school is going to hurt him. Still though this kid might actually become an option in the back of the 1st come draft day to bookend Jones and have one of the deadlier pass rushing duo's in the game, btw who both are strong against the run. Talk about drool inducing

     

    you suggest him as your rd 2 backup pick but say he may be end of rd 1. is he a 3rd option rd 1 pick then?

     

     

    3rd - William Gholston DE 6'7" 280lbs - Much like Hunt this kid is oozing talent but is more raw then Hunt. Though, a better run blocker and has better instincts to smell out screens he is much more raw in pass rushing. Think of him as a bigger more athletic version of Nink at this point but with a much larger upside. He might take a year to develop but this kid has a chance to be something special and to get him late in the 3rd would be a steal, but thanks to a ton of talented DE's this year it is possible. If Jenkins is taken in the first and Hunt is passed on in the 2nd this is an easy pick for me

    Alternative - Kwame Geathers DT/NT 6'6" 350lbs - If you don't take Jenkins early then you take his backup in the 3rd. Very similar player and would be a starting player for almost any team that Jenkins isn't on. obviously he's not as talented as Jenkins but in the 3rd he's an upgrade to Love and to Cunningham as an interior presence. Well worth taking a look at

     


    1st 7th - Tyrann Mathieu CB 5'9" 175lbs - This kid would be an idiot to come out this year but he hasn't exactly been smart so far. With all his issues even with 1st round talent I expect him to take a Dennard type of fall to the 7th. If he's there in the 6th I might look to package both 7th's to get him but if available with the 1st 7th there is no shot I let him get by.

     

    mathieu is an interesting case. hes been taking measures to finish the year at lsu on his own dime with the hopes of returning to the team next year. now hes busted on the same issue again! lsu has publicly said they gave him numerous chances to change, but he didnt. and now a new bust.  i dont know where he could play next year in college football with the big boys.

    if he goes into the draft, most teams might stay away. his problems seem much more recurrent than hern's were, but hes a phenomenal talent in so many aspects of the game. therefore, i do not see him making it to the 7th rd. but if he did.......

    now bb on the other hand is in the process of making his def backfield bigger. this would be a huge change of direction. another reason it might not happen. but again, he is such a talent size and all.

     

    2nd 7th - Andre Debose WR 5'11" 190lbs - Not sure what happened with him. Last year he got the best of both Claiborne and Kirkpatrick, this year he's lost his spot. Obviously though the talent is there but I'd love to hear why he's fallen on the depth chart. Maybe it's just as simple as Fl wanting to bring up their young QB with the new WR's he's going to be playing with for the next 3 years. Either way Debose could be a huge steal. He has Wallace type of upside with his speed and ability to make CB's get turned around with double moves. He's a true outside threat just as long as he doesn't have to work the middle of the field and grind out yards.

     

    very nice post.

     
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    ps jordan is shooting up already (take note mb).

    walter has him going at 19 to lions as bpa and letting vanden bosch go.

     
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    My new top choices in the draft (now remember these are players I think the Pats have a shot at not ranked within position or even position in the draft):

    #1 Jonathan Jenkins DT/NT - He's been on my list for a long time and will remain here until he shots up to a top 15 pick. This kid is Wilfork of the college ranks. All he does is cause havok trying to block him and don't even bother trying to run it within arm reach of him. He's got great explosion and very strong at POA. The most amazing thing to me is his on-field speed. On game day I've seen him chase a RB down similar to Wilfork so don't let the 5.5's 40 fool you. This kid has the makings of an all-pro imo

    #2 Matt Elam S - This kid is going to be shotting up draft boards very soon and he'd be stupid not to come out this year, after his performance so far. This kid looks like the real deal at FS. He's a heavy hitter that's stout in the running game as well as being able to blitz. The more impressive thing is he looks perfectly naturally dropping back into a deep zone into coverage and does an excellent job reading routes. He's a very Pats type of S, hard hitting, stout against the run, and can cover.

    #3 Terrance Williams WR - Everyone thought his stats would be hurt without RGIII but this kid has only gotten better. It would not shock me at all if he ends up in a top 15 discussion or even as the #1 WR off the board. Then again he could also have 3 very talented WR's in front of him and could end up in the back of the 1st. It's tough to pin him to a place in the draft yet. All I know is this kid has great body control, good hands, and isn't afraid to work on any part of the field. He also is good after the catch but knows when to get down. The more impressive thing is his long stride. For a WR his size he's very graceful and can catch CB's flat footed for an easy pitch and catch downfield. The thing about Williams is he demands double coverage because he can work short, intermediate, long, inside the numbers, or outside the numbers. Sounds like a Pats, just get open, type of WR to me

    #4 Kwame Geathers DT/NT - if not for being on the same team as Jenkins this kid would be an instant starter. He's want Brace should have been with good explosion (has a blocked kick) and some good power. Though not the penetrating power on Jenkins, Geathers holds the line well against the run. He'd be a solid option in the mid rounds if they don't go DT/NT early

    #5 Daniel McCullers DT/NT - you can't teach size and this kid is 6'8" and a legit 360lbs. Imagine having that size in the middle trying to throw the ball. We wouldn't need to worry about covering a large portion of the box just because the QB wouldn't be able to see. The kid is raw but has a ton of potential. He could be a very good project pick if they decide both brace and Pryor have run their course

    Sorry MB but had to remove Williams from my list. He's taken some pretty strong steps backwards this year and I'm wondering if his raw ability is starting to hit his ceiling now that he's a main focus on the DL




    Daniel McCullers DT/NT is an interesting prospect, not sure which round he will go in though, some sites have him in the 3rd round others have him as the 7th best DT.  his lateral movement worries me though, that is one of the reasons vince is so good is his speed and lateral ability.




    nate jenkins, williams and elam dont look to be near availble from your projections at those picks

    williams end 1

    jenkins top half of 1

    elam mid 2.

    and we dont have mid round picks at this moment for 4 and 5. any adjustments?

     
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    still lean toward a pass rushing de, a stud dt, and stud c/g with top 3 picks, with interest in packaging next years picks to move up and be sure to land studs. how many more young guys do we need? need to make a 2-4 year run now. few difference-makers / playmkaers. and hope bb continues to change hsi habits and goes for quality over quantity.

    rd 7 is a stab in dark. best soemone who drops for trouble or injury with high upside (no particualr position).

    try to extend talib if he looks liek hes working out with a voidable contract.

    any secondary players picked up i pefer through fa. bb cant pick em for ........

    (hope, ok dream, ebner becomes a good starter next year or year after)

    and even conisidering "sure locks" in round 1, id rather have the dominating lineman there over s/cb.

     
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    Memo to MB, If Alabama wins out and ND wins out, while this would be a great championship game, if both teams bring their "A" game I expect the Tide to win. Although the game would get huge ratings and that is the big key to TV execs. I personally think that Bama is reaching that THe U (Miami) state where they are becoming the dynastic NCAA football team and the 2012 and  2013 NFL drafts will indicate the Tide's dominance (Jones, Lester, Williams etc..).

     

    BTW Tyran Matheiu in the 7th would be an interesting pick.

     

    Also think that Talib can contribute in the return game, eventually.

     
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    Memo to MB, If Alabama wins out and ND wins out, while this would be a great championship game, if both teams bring their "A" game I expect the Tide to win. Although the game would get huge ratings and that is the big key to TV execs. I personally think that Bama is reaching that THe U (Miami) state where they are becoming the dynastic NCAA football team and the 2012 and  2013 NFL drafts will indicate the Tide's dominance (Jones, Lester, Williams etc..).

     

    BTW Tyran Matheiu in the 7th would be an interesting pick.

     

    Also think that Talib can contribute in the return game, eventually.



    Would certainly be a measuring stick game for ND... I'd expect a defensive battle.

    ND is getting back to developing NFL caliber talent as well (though not to the magnitude of Alabama, yet), particularly high round talent with Floyd/Harrison Smith in 2012, Te'o and maybe Eifert in 2013 and DE Stephon Tuitt NT Louis Nix and LT Zack Martin to follow in the coming years.

     
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    Theres a lot of excitement here in Columbus about OSU FB. Meyer has brought a huge buzz to town. I'm working right down the road from Campus and thats all thats talked about here on the radio and TV.  Albeit a favorable schedule, they feel that they can hang with the best of them. I guess that the other choices are the Bengals or the Browns lol.

     
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    Theres a lot of excitement here in Columbus about OSU FB. Meyer has brought a huge buzz to town. I'm working right down the road from Campus and thats all thats talked about here on the radio and TV.  Albeit a favorable schedule, they feel that they can hang with the best of them. I guess that the other choices are the Bengals or the Browns lol.



    Was already one of the premier CFB markets and bringing in an elite level coach can only add it it for sure... future is def bright for that program.

    I'd love to see the Browns get back to being a good team... while NE is my team, I'm a huge fan of the history of the league and the old time teams... I also love their uni's.

     
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    Theres a lot of excitement here in Columbus about OSU FB. Meyer has brought a huge buzz to town. I'm working right down the road from Campus and thats all thats talked about here on the radio and TV.  Albeit a favorable schedule, they feel that they can hang with the best of them. I guess that the other choices are the Bengals or the Browns lol.



    Was already one of the premier CFB markets and bringing in an elite level coach can only add it it for sure... future is def bright for that program.

    I'd love to see the Browns get back to being a good team... while NE is my team, I'm a huge fan of the history of the league and the old time teams... I also love their uni's.




    Hey Beaulie! Best draft thread in the biz

    what u think of my man Manti Teo? Where he go in draft?

    oh and any Heisman shot? (long i know but...)



    Hey man, thanks... happy to have a lot of quality posters on the thread... to bring fresh insight, info and ideas.

    Manti is an all-timer at ND, no question... passionate leader on the field, also a great kid off the field... special, special player.  He shed a few pounds this off season, made him more quick/agile and he's more of a complete player (better in pass defense) as a result.  Should be off the board in the Top 10-15.

    I love that he's in the discussion for the Heisman... it's awesome for recruiting and great for the school/program overall.  I do think he has an uphill battle because he's a defender only, unlike Woodson who was also able to impact in the return game.  Could see him in the Top 3 (assuming ND continues to win and he continues to make plays) when the final votes are counted.

     
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    ps jordan is shooting up already (take note mb).

    walter has him going at 19 to lions as bpa and letting vanden bosch go.



    Not surprising... I was calling him a Rd 1 talent back in August (8th post of the thread) and he's been one of the better players that I've seen on tape... kid has unreal length, versatility and athleticism and I love his aggression/motor.

     
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    ps jordan is shooting up already (take note mb).

    walter has him going at 19 to lions as bpa and letting vanden bosch go.



    Not surprising... I was calling him a Rd 1 talent back in August (8th post of the thread) and he's been one of the better players that I've seen on tape... kid has unreal length, versatility and athleticism and I love his aggression/motor.



    what i find impressive about him is that he seems to be getting better as the season progresses. that team will continue to get national coverage. if he sustains his improvement he'll be in the top 15. the athleticism he's displayed should translate to impressive combine performance, which could take him all the top 12. i am saying this because a few mocks have mingo in the top 10. mingo impressed me even last season, but at the rate jordan is going, i am not sure i'd take mingo over jordan. jordan seems to have a much higher ceiling.

    we know he can rush the qb. seeing jordan on that video playing corner against the screen (even if he whiffed) and on another time covering the slot just blew my mind. 

     
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    ps jordan is shooting up already (take note mb).

    walter has him going at 19 to lions as bpa and letting vanden bosch go.



    Not surprising... I was calling him a Rd 1 talent back in August (8th post of the thread) and he's been one of the better players that I've seen on tape... kid has unreal length, versatility and athleticism and I love his aggression/motor.



    what i find impressive about him is that he seems to be getting better as the season progresses. that team will continue to get national coverage. if he sustains his improvement he'll be in the top 15. the athleticism he's displayed should translate to impressive combine performance, which could take him all the top 12. i am saying this because a few mocks have mingo in the top 10. mingo impressed me even last season, but at the rate jordan is going, i am not sure i'd take mingo over jordan. jordan seems to have a much higher ceiling.

    we know he can rush the qb. seeing jordan on that video playing corner against the screen (even if he whiffed) and on another time covering the slot just blew my mind. 



    yes that was something to watch.

    interesting take on jordans potential rise.

     
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    ps jordan is shooting up already (take note mb).

    walter has him going at 19 to lions as bpa and letting vanden bosch go.



    Not surprising... I was calling him a Rd 1 talent back in August (8th post of the thread) and he's been one of the better players that I've seen on tape... kid has unreal length, versatility and athleticism and I love his aggression/motor.



    what i find impressive about him is that he seems to be getting better as the season progresses. that team will continue to get national coverage. if he sustains his improvement he'll be in the top 15. the athleticism he's displayed should translate to impressive combine performance, which could take him all the top 12. i am saying this because a few mocks have mingo in the top 10. mingo impressed me even last season, but at the rate jordan is going, i am not sure i'd take mingo over jordan. jordan seems to have a much higher ceiling.

    we know he can rush the qb. seeing jordan on that video playing corner against the screen (even if he whiffed) and on another time covering the slot just blew my mind. 




    I don't think Top 10-12 is out of the realm of possibility as this kids upside is that high, IMO.  I also think teams will see what a long/athletic, albeit heavier player in Chandler Jones is doing and try to duplicate it.

    Makes a really nice open field tackle at the :50 mark of the below link.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVicjLxsI_U

     
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    Not the best video for Jordan. I didn't come away all that impressed. He has better then average coverage skills (certainly for his size) but he's completely lacking in pass rushing moves and gets stood up often. Basically his only moved that worked (albiet 1 game) was the dip around the edge with speed. When he tried to bull rush he was stood up and his swim move was easily batted away. But, a couple huge positives were his motor and his recognition. Being able to break down plays that quickly and understand who has the ball is a big plus and a trait that can't be taught. I'd want to see more advanced and effective pass rushing moves though

     
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    Not the best video for Jordan. I didn't come away all that impressed. He has better then average coverage skills (certainly for his size) but he's completely lacking in pass rushing moves and gets stood up often. Basically his only moved that worked (albiet 1 game) was the dip around the edge with speed. When he tried to bull rush he was stood up and his swim move was easily batted away. But, a couple huge positives were his motor and his recognition. Being able to break down plays that quickly and understand who has the ball is a big plus and a trait that can't be taught. I'd want to see more advanced and effective pass rushing moves though



    Stood up often?  He abused those tackles... I also some him pressure with his bullrush... believe it was a spin move that was ineffective the one time he tried it.  Either way, he was far too explosive/quick for those tackles.

    I do think he'll need to advance his passrush repetoire (as I noted in my original report on him), but I also think that goes for many college rush ends... especially kids who just moved to the defensive side of the ball in 2010.

     
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    Hey all, where do you guys see Brandon Jenkins going in the draft where he got the injury at the start of the year?

    Which reminds me that I think Tank Carradine has been impressive since he's taken over that spot. 53 tackles and 8 sacks this year

     
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    Not the best video for Jordan. I didn't come away all that impressed. He has better then average coverage skills (certainly for his size) but he's completely lacking in pass rushing moves and gets stood up often. Basically his only moved that worked (albiet 1 game) was the dip around the edge with speed. When he tried to bull rush he was stood up and his swim move was easily batted away. But, a couple huge positives were his motor and his recognition. Being able to break down plays that quickly and understand who has the ball is a big plus and a trait that can't be taught. I'd want to see more advanced and effective pass rushing moves though



    Stood up often?  He abused those tackles... I also some him pressure with his bullrush... believe it was a spin move that was ineffective the one time he tried it.  Either way, he was far too explosive/quick for those tackles.

    I do think he'll need to advance his passrush repetoire (as I noted in my original report on him), but I also think that goes for many college rush ends... especially kids who just moved to the defensive side of the ball in 2010.




    Good video of Jordan.  That spin move didn't work but he's fast and sets the edge well. I love how he can play on both sides, 2 or 3 point stance and can drop into coverage. Its nice to know Belichick and Chip Kelly have become friends through Bill O'Brien.

    How cool is it that BB has a connection with so many top programs. Ohio St (Meyer, Vrabel) Alabama (Saban) Oregon (Kelly)  to name a few They also got Weis, Ferentz and Bill O'Brien out there.

     
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    MB, PatsEng and Nate Thanks for posting your mock drafts! Love reading those. Looking forward to more of them

     
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    FSU vs. VT on ESPN tonight, good chance to check out Werner, Tank Carradine and Xavier Rhodes.

     
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    Hey all, where do you guys see Brandon Jenkins going in the draft where he got the injury at the start of the year?

    Which reminds me that I think Tank Carradine has been impressive since he's taken over that spot. 53 tackles and 8 sacks this year




    Had actually forgotten about him... he's out this season with an injury, but was a very good football player before the injury.  He has that lisfranc injury to his foot, which I believe gives athletes a lot of trouble... will need to follow the situation, but kid had Top 50/Rd 1 talent before the injury, so he could/should provide value for somebody on Day 2, or early Day 3 if teams are comfortable with his recovery.

     
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    FSU vs. VT on ESPN tonight, good chance to check out Werner, Tank Carradine and Xavier Rhodes.



    what did u see in the game?

     
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    incidentally what is walter football smoking, having bb taking williams the wr in rd 1? that would be a crazy departure and with the needs at de, dt, o line, and maybe safety (its a need, that might get addressed in draft, but i prefer not with the 3 picks [de, dt, o line for me]).

    they do this with jesse williams nt and barrett jones on their board.

     

     
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    ps just learned nfl only tests for marijuana once a year for it, announced, unlike steroids, which is tested randomly through the year. 

    so players like mathieu can really have it easy in the nfl, just dont get busted on the street with it or let your team findout.

    partially tongue in cheek, but goes to show if you get in trouble with ganja in the nfl, you arent too smart.

    since 2 states just legalized recreational use, the nfl just came out and said after the election, it still is forbidden in the nfl, even in legal states.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

    FSU vs. VT on ESPN tonight, good chance to check out Werner, Tank Carradine and Xavier Rhodes.



    what did u see in the game?



    Got to watch a few series... Tank (Off topic, but Tank is probably my favorite of all nicknames) really flashed, kid has good size, is long and athletic... can't believe how loaded they are at the DE position... imagine they could work Jenkins in too?

     
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